Re: hey ARMY GUY, reg your HCG and T.

[Guest guest]

Matt,

Glad your testicles are back to size. I see a new endo on Monday

and I am going to inist on at least the hcG test. If he is

unwilling to do this I am willing to try it on my own. There are

several online pharmacy's that carry it for about $80.00 per 10,000

IUs.

At this point I am confused. I started Androgel 5gm on June 25th.

About 5 days later I was a walking erection, the slightest touch or

thought and boing. This was a good thing and I did not have to take

a cialis for 10 days. (not just for older guys). After about 10 days

of feeling really well, high energy, etc. things started going back

to the old Bob. So I scheduled a follow up and went for new test on

July 14th. At this point the doc said to try 10gm per day. The 2

packs a day (one am, one pm) helpped some, but nothing like those

great 10 days.

The test from June 24th showed a total T of 212 {260-1000) and a

free T of 32.5 (50-210). The test from July 14th showed total T of

213 (260-1000) and a free T of 42.9 (50-210) this was after 19 days

on Androgel. If I hadn't had those 10 days I would think that the

Androgel is bunk. My guess is that druing that time I was still

making some T and that plus the androgel is what did the trick.

So hopefully the hcG (with or without the doc) will help me out.

Maybe I can be lucky on only need that. If so I would like to then

try the clomid route.

Have you tried that yet? It supposed to help with your E2 problem

as well. Some people have stated that they can have levels close to

800 on half a tab every other day. That would be sweet. As even on

the online pharmacies this stuff is cheap between 1 and 3 dollars

per tab.

Thanks,

Bob

> hey, you mentioned in another post you are on HCG as well as T,

how

> much are you taking of both and have you had any problems with E2

> with this mix.

> I was on just T injections and about 3 months ago i added HCG as

> well. I have stopped all test for about 5 weeks now and am just on

> the HCG.. we want to see how (and if!)my natural levels work. I

have

> just had more tests done and awaiting the results. I didnt try

just

> hcg in the beggining so we will see, but it may off course be too

> late now after 2 years on TRT, however my testes have returned to

> normal size.

> But I am still getting erection problems, some days its not very

> reliable and others i have no problems, but in general its much

> better than when i was just on T alone, as I had a very high

> estrogen reading during that time, and my doctor was very unaware

of

> the whole E2 thing, something i have discovered myself in the past

6

> months. I have a script for arimidex but have not filled it yet as

> im waiting to see where everything is sitting now that I am just

on

> the HCG alone. My libido is still good and my strength levels in

the

> gym have dropped only slightly, however i have lost about 6 kilos

of

> weight which i think was mainly water retention from the

injectable

> T and high E2. However I do feel at times though I may be

suffering

> from some fogginess and low moods which may be from lower T

levels,

> so we shall see! I am wondering how you found T therapy combined

> with HCG and has that given you a satisfactory libido and reliable

> erections etc.. did it take you some time to find the right

balance

> of everthing before you felt really good?

> thanks for any advice you may have.

> cheers.

[Guest guest]

Matt,

Just as an FYI - the male infertility specialist I saw for a second

opinion says he's been able to restart fertility in men after they

were on T for a couple years.

Mark

> hcg in the beggining so we will see, but it may off course be too

> late now after 2 years on TRT, however my testes have returned to

> normal size.

[Guest guest]

Hey Bob, yeah, insist if you can on the hcg test, and let your endo

know you are going to do it with or without his consent. You can

even point out in the " AACE guidelines text " the section on HCG and

how it can be used for males who are concerned about testicle size.

Section titled, Gonadotropin Therapy in Androgen Deficiency, page

451.

" The advantages of hCG over testosterone in this setting

include the stimulation of testicular growth, which

may be an important issue for some men. Use of hCG may

also yield greater stability of testosterone levels and fewer

fluctuations in hypogonadal symptoms (66). In addition,

hCG treatment is necessary for stimulating enough intratesticular

testosterone to allow the initiation of spermatogenesis. "

Intially you can feel great on test and then it does settle down as

your body gets used to the new levels, however your levels are still

very low, so perhaps it was the combination. But i think you need

much higher levels of T to get the real benefits. Hopefully the hcg

will stimulate your balls to produce more. If it doesnt, but still

gives you reasonable teste size, you can do both test and hcg.

I spoke to my doctor on the phone last night and got the basics back

from my last results. they were taken 4 weeks after my last T

injection, but still taking the hcg at 500 ius every second day. My

total T was 31 nmol/l (892 ng/dl)range 8.5-29, I would think after 4

weeks the injectable T should have dropped to a very low level, so

the hcg must be giving me that level of T, which if true is

fantastic!! However my estrogen was still high at 242 pmol/l range;

<150. So that is probably what is giving me the occasional erection

problems and fogginess etc. No I havnt tried the clomid yet, I wasnt

aware that is was good to take with the Hcg, I thought that perhaps

arimidex was the one to use?? Clomid being more for stimulation of

the hypo axis when Hcg was to be discontinued, if it was thought

that total normal function may be possible.... which I am

considering now that my testes may be functioning ok.. but will wait

for a another few months and further tests.

Hope you have success with your visit to the endo.

cheers.

> > hey, you mentioned in another post you are on HCG as well as T,

> how

> > much are you taking of both and have you had any problems with

E2

> > with this mix.

> > I was on just T injections and about 3 months ago i added HCG as

> > well. I have stopped all test for about 5 weeks now and am just

on

> > the HCG.. we want to see how (and if!)my natural levels work. I

> have

> > just had more tests done and awaiting the results. I didnt try

> just

> > hcg in the beggining so we will see, but it may off course be

too

> > late now after 2 years on TRT, however my testes have returned

to

> > normal size.

> > But I am still getting erection problems, some days its not very

> > reliable and others i have no problems, but in general its much

> > better than when i was just on T alone, as I had a very high

> > estrogen reading during that time, and my doctor was very

unaware

> of

> > the whole E2 thing, something i have discovered myself in the

past

> 6

> > months. I have a script for arimidex but have not filled it yet

as

> > im waiting to see where everything is sitting now that I am just

> on

> > the HCG alone. My libido is still good and my strength levels in

> the

> > gym have dropped only slightly, however i have lost about 6

kilos

> of

> > weight which i think was mainly water retention from the

> injectable

> > T and high E2. However I do feel at times though I may be

> suffering

> > from some fogginess and low moods which may be from lower T

> levels,

> > so we shall see! I am wondering how you found T therapy combined

> > with HCG and has that given you a satisfactory libido and

reliable

> > erections etc.. did it take you some time to find the right

> balance

> > of everthing before you felt really good?

> > thanks for any advice you may have.

> > cheers.

[Guest guest]

I manage my health with T-Cyp injected Sub-Q into stomach fat once

every week or so.

HCG taken every 2-4 days between 400 - 900 units.

Compounded T Gel 7.5%.

and Arimidex taken every once in a while in small doses.

Armyguy

> hey, you mentioned in another post you are on HCG as well as T,

how

> much are you taking of both and have you had any problems with E2

> with this mix.

> I was on just T injections and about 3 months ago i added HCG as

> well. I have stopped all test for about 5 weeks now and am just on

> the HCG.. we want to see how (and if!)my natural levels work. I

have

> just had more tests done and awaiting the results. I didnt try

just

> hcg in the beggining so we will see, but it may off course be too

> late now after 2 years on TRT, however my testes have returned to

> normal size.

> But I am still getting erection problems, some days its not very

> reliable and others i have no problems, but in general its much

> better than when i was just on T alone, as I had a very high

> estrogen reading during that time, and my doctor was very unaware

of

> the whole E2 thing, something i have discovered myself in the past

6

> months. I have a script for arimidex but have not filled it yet as

> im waiting to see where everything is sitting now that I am just

on

> the HCG alone. My libido is still good and my strength levels in

the

> gym have dropped only slightly, however i have lost about 6 kilos

of

> weight which i think was mainly water retention from the

injectable

> T and high E2. However I do feel at times though I may be

suffering

> from some fogginess and low moods which may be from lower T

levels,

> so we shall see! I am wondering how you found T therapy combined

> with HCG and has that given you a satisfactory libido and reliable

> erections etc.. did it take you some time to find the right

balance

> of everthing before you felt really good?

> thanks for any advice you may have.

> cheers.