Re: aremidex:how bad can it be?

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Rudeskin,

I'm a member of http://www.medscape.com/druginfo I copied adverse effects.

I've been on 1 mg/dy since 8-2-01 with no problems.

OR eon

ARIMIDEX ORAL

Adverse Effects List & Discussion

Adverse Effects List from First Databank

[NL][PARA]More Frequent

ABDOMINAL PAIN

ASTHENIA

BONE PAIN

CHEST PAIN severe

COUGH

DIARRHEA

DIZZINESS

DRY MOUTH

DYSPNEA severe

FLUSHING

GI DISTURBANCE

HEADACHE

HOT FLASHES

NAUSEA

PELVIC PAIN

PERIPHERAL EDEMA severe

SKIN RASH

SWEATING

VOMITING

Less Frequent

ALOPECIA

ANEMIA severe

ARTHRALGIA

BREAST PAIN

HYPERTENSION severe

LEUKOPENIA (W OR W/O INFECTION) severe

MENORRHAGIA severe

MYALGIA

PARESTHESIA

PRURITUS

RHINITIS

SINUSITIS

THROMBOEMBOLISM severe

THROMBOPHLEBITIS severe

VAGINAL DRYNESS

WEIGHT GAIN

aremidex:how bad can it be?

i have a question for those on aremidex....

potentially, what are some of the negative side effects and why

might a doctor not prescribe it....?

[Guest guest]

oreon...

if i remember correctly ur on a pretty low dose of test. right?

about 100 mg a wk...maybe even less....? please refresh my memory.

i take 300 mg a wk....and when i get tested my test level is around

850ng/dl....or there abouts....and my est. level is at the high end

of normal....i am not sure....like on a range from 18-40 mine is

around 35....so my doc did not prescribe it to me and said that

instead if i were having symptoms of too much estrogen he might

instead lower my test---but i don't want or need my test lowered!!!

i have certain problems that relate to est. surplus....the inability

to lose fat....no matter what i do....fat distribution....a libido

that is sometimes off sometimes on....more often that not its off....

i started taking dim and that seemed to work for a while but now it

no longer seems effective....

so i don't know what to do....

confused in cali,

rude

[Guest guest]

try an E blocker.

Check:

http://qualitycounts.com/fparomatization.html

Though a commercial site that also promotes several different products it

also has a very good News and Research section about aromatization.

Re: aremidex:how bad can it be?

> oreon...

> if i remember correctly ur on a pretty low dose of test. right?

> about 100 mg a wk...maybe even less....? please refresh my memory.

>

> i take 300 mg a wk....and when i get tested my test level is around

> 850ng/dl....or there abouts....and my est. level is at the high end

> of normal....i am not sure....like on a range from 18-40 mine is

> around 35....so my doc did not prescribe it to me and said that

> instead if i were having symptoms of too much estrogen he might

> instead lower my test---but i don't want or need my test lowered!!!

>

> i have certain problems that relate to est. surplus....the inability

> to lose fat....no matter what i do....fat distribution....a libido

> that is sometimes off sometimes on....more often that not its off....

> i started taking dim and that seemed to work for a while but now it

> no longer seems effective....

>

> so i don't know what to do....

>

> confused in cali,

> rude

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rudeskin,

I haven't been ignoring this post of yours....it's been weighing on my

mind....but I knew that I would have very recent lab data, which I got

Friday, March 7th.

I'll make a post tomorrow.

What I write about now....I hope that you have your method for receiving

posts set for

individual emails " ...I like well aligned columns and what I'm posting seems

to come out like that....I set it up in Word Perfect. In contrast, when it

goes into message archive and if you read messages at our site....then

material is mis-aligned.

OR eon

Re: aremidex:how bad can it be?

oreon...

if i remember correctly ur on a pretty low dose of test. right?

about 100 mg a wk...maybe even less....? please refresh my memory.

i take 300 mg a wk....and when i get tested my test level is around

850ng/dl....or there abouts....and my est. level is at the high end

of normal....i am not sure....like on a range from 18-40 mine is

around 35....so my doc did not prescribe it to me and said that

instead if i were having symptoms of too much estrogen he might

instead lower my test---but i don't want or need my test lowered!!!

i have certain problems that relate to est. surplus....the inability

to lose fat....no matter what i do....fat distribution....a libido

that is sometimes off sometimes on....more often that not its off....

i started taking dim and that seemed to work for a while but now it

no longer seems effective....

so i don't know what to do....

confused in cali,

rude

[Guest guest]

Rudeskin,

I switched from injecting 100 mg/wk Depo first August 2001....I was

experiencing too much T > E conversion...I started on 10 G/dy AndroGel an I

also began 1 mg/dy Arimidex.

My estrogen/estradiol values over time Estradiol is first column of

figures and estrogen second column. Estradiol ref range for lab corps for

men is (<54)

6-4-01.........................82...........................134 (40-115)

7-9-00.........................55..............................200

8-2-01.........................87..............................198

Began 1 mg/dy Arimidex

9-29-01.......................37................................85

Began 1 mg Arimidex eod

11-2-01.......................59................................101

Resumed 1 mg Arimidex/dy

12-5-01.......................50.................................124

3-11-02.......................16..................................44

As some members here have reported....I tried dropping my Arimidex dose to 1

mg eod...that didn't work for me. Perhaps age is a factor...I was 63 when I

went on Arimidex.

Now the test of this post....

Test 2-25-03 12-11-02 9-12-02 Ref Range

Testost., serum 922 489 831 241-827

Testost.%F & WB 35.4 45.6 46.9 18.3 - 62.3

Testost. F & WBound 326.3 166.2 389.7 66.6 - 276.2

Testost, Free Direct 45.6 19.3 - 62.3

Estradiol 41 41 56 <54

Estrogens, total 75 57 55 40 - 115

DHEA 596 223 82 -338 60-69 yo

SHBG 43 34 13 - 71

T/E2 ratio 22.4 11.9 14.8

When I received copy of lab results from bled of 9-12-02...I cut AndroGel

dose back to 7.5 G/dy to try and slow T > E conversion....I tried to apply

~5 G/dy to my nuts, but don't think that I was always that conscientious.

Before my next bled on 12-11-02.....I noted that I was becoming fatigued in

afternoon and that my nocturnal erections (NEs) and piss hardons (PHs) were

not that consistent.

All my lab values for 12-11-02 bled were within ref range.

I resumed 10 G/Androgel. My NEs and PHs resumed. From this I think that I

function optimally at a higher T level, particularly higher bT

(bioavailable).

I've now been on Arimidex for 19 months with no untoward side effects.

First of May I no longer qualify for Texas Risk pool insurance when I turn

65. AndroGel and probably Arimidex will be beyond my budget. I've bought

two 10 ml Vials Depo before the " annual unavailable " period when I was

injecting 100 mg weekly previously.

Blood collected 8th day after last injection of 100 mg Depo-Testosterone

on...

June 4th '01

.. . .Testosterone

.. . . . . .Total . . . . . . . . 989 (241 - 827)

.. . . . . Free. . . . . . . . .42.0 (6.6 - 18.1)

July 9th '01

.. . . . ..Total . . . . . . . . .774

.. . . . . Free. . . . . . . . . 38.8

I will play around i. e. injecting 0.3 cc maybe every five days....

Just my experiences...

OR eon

65 yo HIV+ GayMan

Now crossing my fingers as I click on send that columns of lab values stay

aligned for members receiving messages via email...I think numbers will be

mis-aligned in message archives.

Re: aremidex:how bad can it be?

oreon...

if i remember correctly ur on a pretty low dose of test. right?

about 100 mg a wk...maybe even less....? please refresh my memory.

i take 300 mg a wk....and when i get tested my test level is around

850ng/dl....or there abouts....and my est. level is at the high end

of normal....i am not sure....like on a range from 18-40 mine is

around 35....so my doc did not prescribe it to me and said that

instead if i were having symptoms of too much estrogen he might

instead lower my test---but i don't want or need my test lowered!!!

i have certain problems that relate to est. surplus....the inability

to lose fat....no matter what i do....fat distribution....a libido

that is sometimes off sometimes on....more often that not its off....

i started taking dim and that seemed to work for a while but now it

no longer seems effective....

so i don't know what to do....

confused in cali,

rude

[Guest guest]

oreon,

thank u for your reply ot os always great to get as much info as one

can and to see how the other men are doing....even though my e2 are

usually in the 40's range i still think i need arimidex....i have

trouble with getting lean....i carry most of my fat around the

chest, gut, hips....my morning wood isn't that consistent....neither

is my drive and i have just begun to take wellbutrin, which is

supposed to increase it or at the very least not hamper it....lets

just say i have a lot of symptoms....how can i convince my doc to

give me arimidex? i ynderstand that now elevated estrogens are now

what they consider to be the cause of things like heart disease in

men as well as prostate cancer....i want to avoid all these things

as well as finally have a sexual peak, ya know what i mean....any

advice on how to convince my doc would be helpful....

thank u

rude

p.s. and how much would be a good dose to suggest?

[Guest guest]

What numbers did you use to calculate the testosterone/estrogen ratio, and do

they have the same units? What do you consider to be a good T/E ratio? If I

calculated mine correctly it's approx. 16, but I may not be using numbers with

the same units.

You might see if you'll qualify for Medicaid when you turn 65. Here in Iowa

Medicaid pays for androgel.

Thanks!

Re: aremidex:how bad can it be?

oreon...

if i remember correctly ur on a pretty low dose of test. right?

about 100 mg a wk...maybe even less....? please refresh my memory.

i take 300 mg a wk....and when i get tested my test level is around

850ng/dl....or there abouts....and my est. level is at the high end

of normal....i am not sure....like on a range from 18-40 mine is

around 35....so my doc did not prescribe it to me and said that

instead if i were having symptoms of too much estrogen he might

instead lower my test---but i don't want or need my test lowered!!!

i have certain problems that relate to est. surplus....the inability

to lose fat....no matter what i do....fat distribution....a libido

that is sometimes off sometimes on....more often that not its off....

i started taking dim and that seemed to work for a while but now it

no longer seems effective....

so i don't know what to do....

confused in cali,

rude

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply. First off...I would not qualify for Medicaid...I go

on Medicare soon. At Alt.Support Impotence NG...a frequent poster posted

recently that Medicare Part B covers various testosterone forms for

treating hypogonadism varies by regions.

He has testosterone pellets implanted every ~3-4 months and majority of

cost is covered....that's a minor, outclient procedure.

In our links section here....Wolverfan added the following link

T to E2 Ratio and T Gel Effects Study [NL]Good study and info about hormone

ratios and benefits of T gel

[NL]http://www.familypractice.com/journal/abfpjournal_frame.htm?main=/journa

l/2001/v14.n01/1401.04/art-1401.04.htm wolverfan

Once you open the page...scroll down quite a ways until you see Table 3

" Table 3 displays the results for changes in total androgen levels, the

total androgen-estradiol ratio, "

" Normal ratios of total androgen-estradiol are defined as being between 10

to 22.[27] "

I know....it's confusing not to convert so that units of both testosterone

and estradiol are the same....but apparently you don't.

OR eon

Re: aremidex:how bad can it be?

What numbers did you use to calculate the testosterone/estrogen ratio, and

do they have the same units? What do you consider to be a good T/E ratio? If

I calculated mine correctly it's approx. 16, but I may not be using numbers

with the same units.

You might see if you'll qualify for Medicaid when you turn 65. Here in Iowa

Medicaid pays for androgel.

Thanks!

Re: aremidex:how bad can it be?

oreon...

if i remember correctly ur on a pretty low dose of test. right?

about 100 mg a wk...maybe even less....? please refresh my memory.

i take 300 mg a wk....and when i get tested my test level is around

850ng/dl....or there abouts....and my est. level is at the high end

of normal....i am not sure....like on a range from 18-40 mine is

around 35....so my doc did not prescribe it to me and said that

instead if i were having symptoms of too much estrogen he might

instead lower my test---but i don't want or need my test lowered!!!

i have certain problems that relate to est. surplus....the inability

to lose fat....no matter what i do....fat distribution....a libido

that is sometimes off sometimes on....more often that not its off....

i started taking dim and that seemed to work for a while but now it

no longer seems effective....

so i don't know what to do....

confused in cali,

rude

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