Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Hi Bruce I havent seen an increase in libido as yet, and i suspect even if I have just fallen within normal range of T (12-38), that treatment will be ongoing. I am on sustanon100 without much success after 6 bi weekly shots of 1ml. As I mentioned earlier its a recommencement of treatment after 25 years from oxandrolone after FSH primed at aged 10 resulting in crytorchidism. I am only being treated by a GP as an endo stated that nothing could be done. Other testes (FSH and LH) were in the normal range. Before starting the shots about 13 weeks ago, my T was 9.2 (norm 12-38). Due to my history, testicular atrophy was diagnosed at aged 12, hence the oxandrolone treatment. Meds were taken every night between the age of 12.5 years to 13.5 years at 2.5mg per night. Since 13.5 years (now 42), I havent received any treatment until 13 weeks ago. Mick Bruce Harvey <bruceharvey@...> wrote: Hi Mick, You should be seeing at least increased libido. So IMO all three symptoms continue to be influenced by low T. I think 1. You have not yet reached a therapeutic T level (almost regardless of where the bloodwork is). -And/or- 2. Your free T level is still low. It hasn't not caught up with your increased total T. -And/or- 3. Estradiol (E2) is somehow too high or out of proportion with T. (IMO unlikely, unless you went through a short period of recovery) Can you let us know: 1. The dose per injection 2. Type of T (T-enthanate, T-Cypionate or brand name) 3. T level (and any other related test results) (A) Before you started injections and ( after the first three injections, where you had a 25% increase. There may be other things going on, but let's start with the above. Bruce > Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS, no > spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections the > testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm. Friday week > will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the normal > range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas? > Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Bruce That sorta makes sense. If 3 bi weekly shots lifted T from 9.2 to 11, my next blood test in about a week should raise it to 13. That then toatals 6 shots to get that high. If I should be around 23, thats another 15 shots over the next 30 weeks....hmmm, not sure how I'd cope as I have already had enough of fornightly shots. Suppose I have to keep in mind a number of factors. Cryptorchidism at aged 10 and then oxandrolone 2.5mg every night for 12 months from aged 12-13. If this was the regeime as a kid, suppose it will be similar as an adult, and further remembering that no treatment over the past 25 years. Not going to be easy Mick Bruce Harvey <bruceharvey@...> wrote: Hi again Mick, I'm guessing at this. Based on what you're feeling (and not feeling), T at your next test isn't going to be much higher than it was before you started injections. There's a reason for that. The supplemental T you've added is enough to shut down what natural production you had, but not enough to get you back beyond where you were. (Anyone: Am I on or off track here?) I mention this so you can avoid a misinterpretation. If T is about the same after 13 weeks of injections, it might be assumed that it simply wasn't working, so why bother to continue with it? The correct interpretation would be the dose would need to be increased, with another test after so many weeks. Bruce > > > Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS, > no > > > spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections > the > > > testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm. > Friday > > week > > > will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the > normal > > > range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas? > > > Mick > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Bruce I thought the same, the dose was to low as the general treatment is sustanon 250. My GP says that he wants to get me up slowly. So I should just takes his advise. As sustanon 250 is a week week course, he may prescribe it when i hit normal to hold me there. I will ask him. Thanks Mick Bruce Harvey <bruceharvey@...> wrote: Hi Mick, I suspect the dose is too low, but I may not understand the difference between the Sustanon 100 you're taking and the testosterone-cypionate I'm taking. If I read the ingredient information correctly, you're taking the equivalent of 74 mg of T every 2 weeks. I'm injecting 200mg of T every 10 days. If that's correct, it would explain why you aren't getting results. Good news, there's the explanation and the solution is simple. 1cc is about as much as should be taken at a time. Seems to me that you should move the injections to weekly, but by all means get other opinions. If you're getting a blood test next week you can adjust from that. Best, Bruce ********** Sustanon 100 Ingredients: 20mg testosterone propionate (Ph.Eur.) 40mg testosterone phenylpropionate (BP) 40mg testosterone isocaproate (BP) (equivalent to 74mg of testosterone) ********** > > Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS, no > > spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections the > > testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm. Friday > week > > will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the normal > > range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas? > > Mick > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Mick you need to go up slow so you are on the right track. But if you don't get a blood test once a month to see where you are at then it will take a long time. I would talk to your Dr. about doing your shot weekly and getting tested monthly. The way to do this is to up the dose untll you are feeling better not up it to a number. You may find the the level you feel better at will be lower or higher the the chart. Phil mick omeara <northtrade2003@...> wrote: Bruce That sorta makes sense. If 3 bi weekly shots lifted T from 9.2 to 11, my next blood test in about a week should raise it to 13. That then toatals 6 shots to get that high. If I should be around 23, thats another 15 shots over the next 30 weeks....hmmm, not sure how I'd cope as I have already had enough of fornightly shots. Suppose I have to keep in mind a number of factors. Cryptorchidism at aged 10 and then oxandrolone 2.5mg every night for 12 months from aged 12-13. If this was the regeime as a kid, suppose it will be similar as an adult, and further remembering that no treatment over the past 25 years. Not going to be easy Mick Bruce Harvey <bruceharvey@...> wrote: Hi again Mick, I'm guessing at this. Based on what you're feeling (and not feeling), T at your next test isn't going to be much higher than it was before you started injections. There's a reason for that. The supplemental T you've added is enough to shut down what natural production you had, but not enough to get you back beyond where you were. (Anyone: Am I on or off track here?) I mention this so you can avoid a misinterpretation. If T is about the same after 13 weeks of injections, it might be assumed that it simply wasn't working, so why bother to continue with it? The correct interpretation would be the dose would need to be increased, with another test after so many weeks. Bruce > > > Six injections over 13 weeks and still no resolution to CFS, > no > > > spontanious erects or any libido. Aftyer the first 3 injections > the > > > testosterone was lifted by 25% and still below the norm. > Friday > > week > > > will see another blood test and i feel that i will be in the > normal > > > range with resoleve to libido, erections a CFS. Any ideas? > > > Mick > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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