Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Posted January 27, 2006 Hello there, I was trying to find info. on diabetes for my dad. He's on the border of type 2 and his doctor just put him on meds to lower it. I'd rather have him keep away from diabetes the natural way. I'm trying to get him to lose weight and eat healthier. I read on Dr.'s site about wood alcohol, but there isn't much else.... Has anyone found any other natural products that may lower sugar? Oh here's a bit about him: he's 55, 6ft, about 240lbs., he's active a few times a week; mostly biking/walking, and he relieves stress through massages. Thanks! Shefy " A. Hall " <amhall@...> wrote: Hi Deb, I have gotten my diebetes under control using Dr 's protocol, although, due to a stomach issue, I have stopped zapping. Doing both the anti parasite herbs, and zapping was a bit more effective, the anti parasite herbs can do the trick for me if I take them more on a 5 day cycle, instead of once a week as she recommends. I take a medication that has wood alcohol in it, I suspect, so I don't think I will be able to gain a complete cure until I can stop taking the medication (for my thyroid/liver). Fortunately, the amount I am taking is decreasing steadily and I anticipate stopping within 6 or so months. I have had a dickens of a time finding clean water though, so getting my high blood pressure down has been more of a challenge. I have done the kidney cleasing herbs (not in tea form so probably not as effective either) but it is down enough that I can see that her information about cadimum is accurate as well. So good luck with your efforts. I believe we all can breathe a lot easier, knowing that although we live in an incredibly toxic world, we can gain good health by deparasiting and avoiding toxins, even if the current medical regime doesn't want us to know about it. Annette Quote
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Posted January 28, 2006 Chromium is known to aid the body in using the glucose found in the blood. Try that, but keep an eye on his sugar levels. Ken -- Re: Beating diabetes... Hello there, I was trying to find info. on diabetes for my dad. He's on the border of type 2 and his doctor just put him on meds to lower it. I'd rather have him keep away from diabetes the natural way. I'm trying to get him to lose weight and eat healthier. I read on Dr.'s site about wood alcohol, but there isn't much else.... Has anyone found any other natural products that may lower sugar? Oh here's a bit about him: he's 55, 6ft, about 240lbs., he's active a few times a week mostly biking/walking, and he relieves stress through massages. Thanks! Shefy Quote
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Posted January 28, 2006 Call nathuropat Umberto li at 416-633-2508. shefy gupta wrote: > Hello there, > > I was trying to find info. on diabetes for my dad. He's on the border > of type 2 and his doctor just put him on meds to lower it. > > I'd rather have him keep away from diabetes the natural way. I'm > trying to get him to lose weight and eat healthier. I read on > Dr.'s site about wood alcohol, but there isn't much else.... > > Has anyone found any other natural products that may lower sugar? Oh > here's a bit about him: he's 55, 6ft, about 240lbs., he's active a few > times a week; mostly biking/walking, and he relieves stress through > massages. > > Thanks! > > Shefy > > " A. Hall " <amhall@...> wrote: Hi Deb, > I have gotten my diebetes under control using Dr 's protocol, > although, due to a stomach issue, I have stopped zapping. Doing both the > anti parasite herbs, and zapping was a bit more effective, the anti > parasite herbs can do the trick for me if I take them more on a 5 day > cycle, instead of once a week as she recommends. I take a medication > that has wood alcohol in it, I suspect, so I don't think I will be able > to gain a complete cure until I can stop taking the medication (for my > thyroid/liver). Fortunately, the amount I am taking is decreasing > steadily and I anticipate stopping within 6 or so months. > I have had a dickens of a time finding clean water though, so getting my > high blood pressure down has been more of a challenge. I have done the > kidney cleasing herbs (not in tea form so probably not as effective > either) but it is down enough that I can see that her information about > cadimum is accurate as well. > So good luck with your efforts. I believe we all can breathe a lot > easier, knowing that although we live in an incredibly toxic world, we > can gain good health by deparasiting and avoiding toxins, even if the > current medical regime doesn't want us to know about it. > Annette > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Posted January 28, 2006 I use Chromium-GTF from Natures Sunshine Re: Beating diabetes... Call nathuropat Umberto li at 416-633-2508. shefy gupta wrote: > Hello there, > > I was trying to find info. on diabetes for my dad. He's on the border > of type 2 and his doctor just put him on meds to lower it. > > I'd rather have him keep away from diabetes the natural way. I'm > trying to get him to lose weight and eat healthier. I read on > Dr.'s site about wood alcohol, but there isn't much else.... > > Has anyone found any other natural products that may lower sugar? Oh > here's a bit about him: he's 55, 6ft, about 240lbs., he's active a few > times a week; mostly biking/walking, and he relieves stress through > massages. > > Thanks! > > Shefy Quote
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Posted January 28, 2006 Start by adopting a strict Atkins diet but avoiding saturated fats. Avoid alcohol, fruits, sweets, etc. Supplement with: Enzymatic Therapy or Jarrow Glucose Regulator formulations. Should you need something stronger, use Cinnulin and Banaba extract (Corosolic acid 1%) Check insulin as well as glucose. Keep in mind that finger glucometers reflect readings 15% below venous glucose. You are looking for maximum finger readings of 110 upon awakening. Once you get to those levels in a consistent fashion you can start adding " good carbs " (leafy veggies, cruicifereous, berries, nuts and seeds and sprouts) to your diet making sure your insulin levels do not go beyond 12-15 upon awakening. Good luck riginal Message ----- From: alex Dr Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Beating diabetes... Call nathuropat Umberto li at 416-633-2508. shefy gupta wrote: > Hello there, > > I was trying to find info. on diabetes for my dad. He's on the border > of type 2 and his doctor just put him on meds to lower it. > > I'd rather have him keep away from diabetes the natural way. I'm > trying to get him to lose weight and eat healthier. I read on > Dr.'s site about wood alcohol, but there isn't much else.... > > Has anyone found any other natural products that may lower sugar? Oh > here's a bit about him: he's 55, 6ft, about 240lbs., he's active a few > times a week; mostly biking/walking, and he relieves stress through > massages. > > Thanks! > > Shefy > Quote
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Posted January 28, 2006 Sorry but I wouldnt agree with on the Atkins diet, your father as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however is written)i mean out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance him a lot more than he is right know, by eating meat he will become more acidic, remember what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base balance in the body etc.... Find out about Dr. Young and his book " The Ph miracle for diabetes " , i would say keep zapping (but i havent used the zapper myself long enough to talk about it). In dr Young´s book you will find lots of recipes and supplements to take along with diet and excercise correctly, look in www.google.com for Eleotin, Diabeticine, Glucobetic,Dia-care, Fenugreek (in glucobetic), Gymnema Sylvestre (in glucobetic), Garlic, Onion, Cinammon (in glucobetic), and much more, chromium and zinc along with other herbs are included in glucobetic..so look for that..good luck! > > > Hello there, > > > > I was trying to find info. on diabetes for my dad. He's on the border > > of type 2 and his doctor just put him on meds to lower it. > > > > I'd rather have him keep away from diabetes the natural way. I'm > > trying to get him to lose weight and eat healthier. I read on > > Dr.'s site about wood alcohol, but there isn't much else.... > > > > Has anyone found any other natural products that may lower sugar? Oh > > here's a bit about him: he's 55, 6ft, about 240lbs., he's active a few > > times a week; mostly biking/walking, and he relieves stress through > > massages. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Shefy > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Posted January 29, 2006 Not saying it will work for everyone, but I personally know someone who beat diabetes after losing his extra weight on the Atkin's Diet. So don't be so sure that a low carb diet doesn't work or at least help glucose levels in the blood. We all know meat scores low in the glycemic index. Ken -- Re: Beating diabetes... Sorry but I wouldnt agree with on the Atkins diet, your father as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however is written)i mean out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance him a lot more than he is right know, by eating meat he will become more acidic, remember what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base balance in the body etc.... Find out about Dr. Young and his book " The Ph miracle for diabetes " , i would say keep zapping (but i havent used the zapper myself long enough to talk about it). In dr Young´s book you will find lots of recipes and supplements to take along with diet and excercise correctly, look in www.google.com for Eleotin, Diabeticine, Glucobetic,Dia-care, Fenugreek (in glucobetic), Gymnema Sylvestre (in glucobetic), Garlic, Onion, Cinammon (in glucobetic), and much more, chromium and zinc along with other herbs are included in glucobetic..so look for that..good luck! Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Posted January 29, 2006 Duncan, All type I diabetics need insulin and diet changes. Most type II diabetics need supplements and diet. Only a very small percentage can do at the outset with just diet. I have never, in all of my years of practice, been able to turn types II around without the additional benefit of supplements, and I did try and I am also familiar with every theory " book marketers " advance. Those of us who take care of people, one by one, will tell you that not taking advantage of replacing missing nutrients in the diet is unwise. Reaching this homeostatic balance brings prompt resolution to the issue. I'll be the first one to admit that our second duty is to take people off supplements as soon as the body is back in shape. Once the insulin " double hump " profile approaches normality and the liver is processing carbohydrates properly, it is advisable to start the withdrawal process. Regards Re: Re: Beating diabetes... Shefy, beating diabetes not about " products " but " lifestyle " ; get yoou dad a copy of the Bernstein Solution. http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/ Duncan > Has anyone found any other natural products that may lower sugar? Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Posted January 29, 2006 Jbaztanj, I have to respectfully disagree with your view of the Atkins diet. Three people in my life have reversed their Type 2 diabetes using the Atkins diet, however, they were careful with their choices of protein while losing the weight and didn't partake of processed meats and excessive dangerous fats. Their diet now consists of meat, fish, foul, veggies, whole grains, fruit, olive oil, and light dairy. They didn't use prepackaged foods, but only foods that were once alive. In one case, artherialsclerosis was erased, and all have returned their blood pressure to normal and are enjoying their new found health. I don't agree with all the things Dr. Atkins recommended, and I wouldn't touch the foods the company puts out, but the concept of the diet is a good one and it works, but people need to choose their proteins and fats carefully. Diane jbaztanj wrote: >Sorry but I wouldnt agree with on the Atkins diet, your father >as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however is written)i mean >out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance him a lot more than >he is right know, by eating meat he will become more acidic, remember >what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base balance in the >body etc.... Find out about Dr. Young and his book " The Ph miracle for >diabetes " , i would say keep zapping (but i havent used the zapper >myself long enough to talk about it). In dr Young´s book you will find >lots of recipes and supplements to take along with diet and excercise >correctly, look in www.google.com for Eleotin, Diabeticine, >Glucobetic,Dia-care, Fenugreek (in glucobetic), Gymnema Sylvestre (in >glucobetic), Garlic, Onion, Cinammon (in glucobetic), and much more, >chromium and zinc along with other herbs are included in >glucobetic..so look for that..good luck! > > > > >>Start by adopting a strict Atkins diet but avoiding saturated fats. >> >> >Avoid alcohol, fruits, sweets, etc. > > >>Supplement with: >>Enzymatic Therapy or Jarrow Glucose Regulator formulations. Should >> >> >you need something stronger, use Cinnulin and Banaba extract >(Corosolic acid 1%) > > >>Check insulin as well as glucose. Keep in mind that finger >> >> >glucometers reflect readings 15% below venous glucose. > > >>You are looking for maximum finger readings of 110 upon awakening. >>Once you get to those levels in a consistent fashion you can start >> >> >adding " good carbs " (leafy veggies, cruicifereous, berries, nuts and >seeds and sprouts) to your diet making sure your insulin levels do not >go beyond 12-15 upon awakening. > > >>Goo >> Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Posted January 29, 2006 Shefy, beating diabetes not about " products " but " lifestyle " ; get yoou dad a copy of the Bernstein Solution. http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/ Duncan > Has anyone found any other natural products that may lower sugar? Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Posted January 29, 2006 > > Shefy, beating diabetes not about " products " but " lifestyle " ; get > yoou dad a copy of the Bernstein Solution. > http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/ > > > > Duncan > > > > Has anyone found any other natural products that may lower sugar? > I have learned much the " The Untold Truth Seminar " www.naturessunshine.com I taken Chromium-GTF and have listened to the CD " The Diabetes Epidemic " hosted by Dr. Hugo Rodier copies of this CD at www.naturestools.com I found Dr. s books at a Natures Sunshine store that also sells the Multi-Zap zapper. www.ess-in.com Quote
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Posted January 29, 2006 Hi, In addition to the well known effects of Chromium, Vanadyl, Manganese and other established botanicals, Banaba leaf and Cinnamon extracts are excellent modulators of insulin activity. Both very well tested safe and effective. Heptamannulose, from Konjac fiber is also a great help. Read more in www.lef.org a site that respects and promotes Natural Health. Eliminate sugars, alcohol and starches from your diet. Insist on a 60% diet of veggies (raw and cooked) and the balance fermented products and dairy (if ok for you), lean meats, poultry, fish, nuts, seeds and sprouts. Don't forget to add 2 tablespoons of Carlson's fish oils. Olive and coconut oils are ok in moderation. Protein and/or fat ingested at the same time as good carbs will slow down the rate of insulin release. For instance peanut butter will slow down the very quick sugars present in white bread. This is just for your information, not an endorsement of white bread! Have you insulin, glucose and A1C levels checked regularly and proceed accordingly. Many people have insulin resistivity problems and the glucose readings by themselves may be misleading. High insulin values are indicative of cellular uptake problems. Be careful with glycemic indexes and gravitate to glycemic loads the total amount of quick burning sugars per unit weight. Regards Re: Beating diabetes... > > Shefy, beating diabetes not about " products " but " lifestyle " ; get > yoou dad a copy of the Bernstein Solution. > http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/ > > > > Duncan > > > > Has anyone found any other natural products that may lower sugar? > I have learned much the " The Untold Truth Seminar " www.naturessunshine.com I taken Chromium-GTF and have listened to the CD " The Diabetes Epidemic " hosted by Dr. Hugo Rodier copies of this CD at www.naturestools.com I found Dr. s books at a Natures Sunshine store that also sells the Multi-Zap zapper. www.ess-in.com Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Posted January 30, 2006 First of all, the Atkins diet is not just about eating meat. Have you read the books? Secondly, I have a good friend who was diagnosed just a few months ago. This man has cut his carbs significantly, lost 30 pounds, and has started exercising. The exercise is minimal at best, but still he feels great! His blood sugar now runs around 105 - 110. His doctor is impressed and told him to continue eating the way he is. Chalk another one up for Dr. Atkins. For those wondering, yes, he is eating fruits and lots of vegetables. Jeanne >Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:32:03 -0000 > From: " jbaztanj " <jbaztanj@...> >Subject: Re: Beating diabetes... > >Sorry but I wouldnt agree with on the Atkins diet, your father >as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however is written)i mean >out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance him a lot more than >he is right know, by eating meat he will become more acidic, remember >what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base balance in the >body etc.... Find out about Dr. Young and his book " The Ph miracle for >diabetes " , i would say keep zapping (but i havent used the zapper Quote
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2006 Report Posted January 30, 2006 Careful with the amounts of grains, whether whole or not, when attempting to " cure " diabetes II with diet. Regards Re: Re: Beating diabetes... Jbaztanj, I have to respectfully disagree with your view of the Atkins diet. Three people in my life have reversed their Type 2 diabetes using the Atkins diet, however, they were careful with their choices of protein while losing the weight and didn't partake of processed meats and excessive dangerous fats. Their diet now consists of meat, fish, foul, veggies, whole grains, fruit, olive oil, and light dairy. They didn't use prepackaged foods, but only foods that were once alive. In one case, artherialsclerosis was erased, and all have returned their blood pressure to normal and are enjoying their new found health. I don't agree with all the things Dr. Atkins recommended, and I wouldn't touch the foods the company puts out, but the concept of the diet is a good one and it works, but people need to choose their proteins and fats carefully. Diane jbaztanj wrote: >Sorry but I wouldnt agree with on the Atkins diet, your father >as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however is written)i mean >out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance him a lot more than >he is right know, by eating meat he will become more acidic, remember >what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base balance in the >body etc.... Find out about Dr. Young and his book " The Ph miracle for >diabetes " , i would say keep zapping (but i havent used the zapper >myself long enough to talk about it). In dr Young´s book you will find >lots of recipes and supplements to take along with diet and excercise >correctly, look in www.google.com for Eleotin, Diabeticine, >Glucobetic,Dia-care, Fenugreek (in glucobetic), Gymnema Sylvestre (in >glucobetic), Garlic, Onion, Cinammon (in glucobetic), and much more, >chromium and zinc along with other herbs are included in >glucobetic..so look for that..good luck! > > > > >>Start by adopting a strict Atkins diet but avoiding saturated fats. >> >> >Avoid alcohol, fruits, sweets, etc. > > >>Supplement with: >>Enzymatic Therapy or Jarrow Glucose Regulator formulations. Should >> >> >you need something stronger, use Cinnulin and Banaba extract >(Corosolic acid 1%) > > >>Check insulin as well as glucose. Keep in mind that finger >> >> >glucometers reflect readings 15% below venous glucose. > > >>You are looking for maximum finger readings of 110 upon awakening. >>Once you get to those levels in a consistent fashion you can start >> >> >adding " good carbs " (leafy veggies, cruicifereous, berries, nuts and >seeds and sprouts) to your diet making sure your insulin levels do not >go beyond 12-15 upon awakening. > > >>Goo >> Quote
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Posted January 31, 2006 Dr. Limburg is one of the innovators in the field of acid-base balance in Europe. His information websites are: www.praxis-seegarten.ch www.komstar.ch www.feos.ch > Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:32:03 -0000 > From: " jbaztanj " <jbaztanj@...> > Subject: Re: Beating diabetes... > > Sorry but I wouldnt agree with on the Atkins > diet, your father > as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however > is written)i mean > out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance > him a lot more than > he is right know, by eating meat he will become more > acidic, remember > what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base > balance in the > body etc.... Find out about Dr. Young and his book > " The Ph miracle for > diabetes " , i would say keep zapping (but i havent > used the zapper > myself long enough to talk about it). In dr Young´s > book you will find > lots of recipes and supplements to take along with > diet and excercise > correctly, look in www.google.com for Eleotin, > Diabeticine, > Glucobetic,Dia-care, Fenugreek (in glucobetic), > Gymnema Sylvestre (in > glucobetic), Garlic, Onion, Cinammon (in > glucobetic), and much more, > chromium and zinc along with other herbs are > included in > glucobetic..so look for that..good luck! > > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > I was trying to find info. on diabetes for my > dad. He's on the > border > > > of type 2 and his doctor just put him on meds > to lower it. > > > > > > I'd rather have him keep away from diabetes > the natural way. I'm > > > trying to get him to lose weight and eat > healthier. I read on > > > Dr.'s site about wood alcohol, but there > isn't much else.... > > > > > > Has anyone found any other natural products > that may lower > sugar? Oh > > > here's a bit about him: he's 55, 6ft, about > 240lbs., he's active > a few > > > times a week; mostly biking/walking, and he > relieves stress through > > > massages. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Shefy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 11:18:48 -0600 (Central > Standard Time) > From: " Ken " <crapmail@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Beating diabetes... > > Not saying it will work for everyone, but I > personally know someone who > beat diabetes after losing his extra weight on the > Atkin's Diet. So don't > be so sure that a low carb diet doesn't work or at > least help glucose levels > in the blood. We all know meat scores low in the > glycemic index. > Ken > > -- Re: Beating diabetes... > > Sorry but I wouldnt agree with on the Atkins > diet, your father > as a diabetic must be really decompansated (however > is written)i mean > out of balance and eating meat will just unbalance > him a lot more than > he is right know, by eating meat he will become more > acidic, remember > what 2 nobel prize Otto Warbug said about acid/base > balance in the > body etc.... Find out about Dr. Young and his book > " The Ph miracle for > diabetes " , i would say keep zapping (but i havent > used the zapper > myself long enough to talk about it). In dr Young´s > book you will find > lots of recipes and supplements to take along with > diet and excercise > correctly, look in www.google.com for Eleotin, > Diabeticine, > Glucobetic,Dia-care, Fenugreek (in glucobetic), > Gymnema Sylvestre (in > glucobetic), Garlic, Onion, Cinammon (in > glucobetic), and much more, > chromium and zinc along with other herbs are > included in > glucobetic..so look for that..good luck! > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Quote
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