BONES

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Jen, re calcium -- It really, really does matter, for everyone, but especially for those of us who take Prednisone. If you can't get adequate calcium from food, for whatever reason, calcium pills are a painless, cheap way to avoid serious, irreversible problems. I was astonished to find that my bone density scan shows me "at imminent risk of bone fracture." I have always been very active, never thought of myself as fragile in any way. I take Fosamax regularly now, in addition to calcium, but its benefits are limited and take effect only after two years.

Perhaps you remember a member of our group who wrote, a few months ago, that she has lost four inches in height and can wear only maternity clothes, due to bone loss.

You ask if the "long term down the road, gettin old scenario

and need for calcium getting lost in other day-to-day things that I can

actually see a difference with" makes sense. No, it doesn't. You're a grown-up, you have intelligence, you have resources, you can look ahead, you can be responsible.

Harper

[Guest guest]

Time for my once-a-month or so reminder that Prednisone can lead to osteoporosis, for both men and women. Osteoporosis is a serious problem. Do as much weight-bearing exercise (e.g., walking) as possible. Eat calcium-rich foods (e.g., dark green leafy vegetables, dairy products, and others.) Take about 1500 mg of calcium with Vitamin D added (don't take it with thyroid medication, as it can limit the thyroid medication's effectiveness -- I think.) Don't use too much calcium, either in food or medication, as that can lead to kidney problems. Inquire about getting a base-line bone density scan early on, if possible. Ask about Fosamax, preferably in a weekly tablet, to slow bone loss and to repair bones (a little, slowly.)

In addition, check on your increased risk for diabetes, hypertension, glaucoma, cataracts. Stay out of the sun, now more than ever.

And don't forget to have fun every chance you get. That's got to help.

Harper

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Hi Cheri, There are a million and one different antidepressants. Yours is

clearly not working. You should contact your Dr.

I was taking 100 mg. of Zooloft and upped it to 150. mg. that helped

tremendously. If that stops working I will get something else. Depression is

a bad illness. Best to nip it in the bud right away! my DR explained 2

theories of how treatment effects the seratonin in the brain. Spell check

please?

The best book I ever got was called Hepatitis C a survivors guide. it is

very clear on nutrition for all level liver diseases. I would highly

recommend you find this book. It is very well written, easy to read,

informative.

I hope I have helped in someway.

keep up your spirit.

You are doing great things with getting your support group together. You are

giving of yourself, which is one of the most wonderful things one can do.

Helping others. Keep up the good work.

Donna from Cincinnati

[Guest guest]

no monica, miriam here

no one will have you committed. i lay in bed and touch my hip bones all the

time. it;s amazing.

[Guest guest]

This is extremely helpful and I am grateful for your responses.

What is this " osteoporosis list " ? I'd like to join it.

I believe flax has adequate boron - no?

I have reason to believe that adequate calcium intake is not my problem.

Nina

Re: Re: Re: toothpaste- bone density

> Diltz wrote:

> Nina,

> Try the Angstrom Calcium (comes from plants) from

> www.drlamarsproducts.com. It is completely bio-available to the body.

> Add Boron for even better absorbtion. Would be nice to get it from a

> vegan diet but since most of our produce is grown in soil completely

> depleted of minerals, it would be hard to do.

I know about boron as a bone builder, not an absorption failitator.

Add strontium too; several ladies on the osteoporosis list are

getting results by adding 2000 mg daily. I challenge anybody to find

an adequate natural source of strontium or boron. Bone building also

requires large amounts of vitamin C to cross link the first layer of

collagen, the bone matrix. Just try to find more than a gram or so

from all sources; a person might need four grams daily according to

Dr. Rath, and adequate glutathione will recycle it.

> Unfortunately, most

> calcium products are not able to be absorbed by the body.

OsteoProCare contains collagen, macrominerals and orotic acid, the

exact mineral transporter for the cells. The presence of orotic acid

sidsteps any concern of bowel absorption and subsequent cellular. Try

to find that kind of boost in nature to prevent natural selection

from ruling you out

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

I had a recent hair test and I have tested to high in strontium.

Does anyone know how I could have been exposed to too high levels and

how to bring it down?

Barbara

> > Nina,

> > Try the Angstrom Calcium (comes from plants) from

> > www.drlamarsproducts.com. It is completely bio-available to the

body.

> > Add Boron for even better absorbtion. Would be nice to get it

from a

> > vegan diet but since most of our produce is grown in soil

completely

> > depleted of minerals, it would be hard to do.

>

> I know about boron as a bone builder, not an absorption failitator.

> Add strontium too; several ladies on the osteoporosis list are

> getting results by adding 2000 mg daily. I challenge anybody to

find

> an adequate natural source of strontium or boron. Bone building

also

> requires large amounts of vitamin C to cross link the first layer

of

> collagen, the bone matrix. Just try to find more than a gram or so

> from all sources; a person might need four grams daily according to

> Dr. Rath, and adequate glutathione will recycle it.

>

> > Unfortunately, most

> > calcium products are not able to be absorbed by the body.

>

> OsteoProCare contains collagen, macrominerals and orotic acid, the

> exact mineral transporter for the cells. The presence of orotic

acid

> sidsteps any concern of bowel absorption and subsequent cellular.

Try

> to find that kind of boost in nature to prevent natural selection

> from ruling you out

>

> Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Where did you get your hair tested? Thanks - Nina

Re: bones

I had a recent hair test and I have tested to high in strontium.

Does anyone know how I could have been exposed to too high levels and

how to bring it down?

Barbara

> > Nina,

> > Try the Angstrom Calcium (comes from plants) from

> > www.drlamarsproducts.com. It is completely bio-available to the

body.

> > Add Boron for even better absorbtion. Would be nice to get it

from a

> > vegan diet but since most of our produce is grown in soil

completely

> > depleted of minerals, it would be hard to do.

>

> I know about boron as a bone builder, not an absorption failitator.

> Add strontium too; several ladies on the osteoporosis list are

> getting results by adding 2000 mg daily. I challenge anybody to

find

> an adequate natural source of strontium or boron. Bone building

also

> requires large amounts of vitamin C to cross link the first layer

of

> collagen, the bone matrix. Just try to find more than a gram or so

> from all sources; a person might need four grams daily according to

> Dr. Rath, and adequate glutathione will recycle it.

>

> > Unfortunately, most

> > calcium products are not able to be absorbed by the body.

>

> OsteoProCare contains collagen, macrominerals and orotic acid, the

> exact mineral transporter for the cells. The presence of orotic

acid

> sidsteps any concern of bowel absorption and subsequent cellular.

Try

> to find that kind of boost in nature to prevent natural selection

> from ruling you out

>

> Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

I think strontium is found in waste from nuclear reactors. Have you ever

lived or worked at a place like that? Or at a place that sorts scrap metal,

or at a municipal landfill? Flouride enhances the uptake of strontium. So

if you don't have a water filter that filters out fluoride, you might want

to consider that. Also get a toothpaste without fluoride.

I've heard that exposure to strontium is linked to bone cancer. It mimics

calcium in the body, but it damages blood producing cells when it becomes

part of the bone marrow tissue. But was it Duncan who said we need it for

healthy bones? So I'm confused - are there two different strontiums?

Carol

From: " bamay1844 " <bamay1844@...>

I had a recent hair test and I have tested to high in strontium.

Does anyone know how I could have been exposed to too high levels and

how to bring it down?

Barbara

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[Guest guest]

I know I havent' been exposed to any of those sources recently. I

moved to an area where this shouldn't be a problem and it didn't show

up on the first hair test I had a year after I moved here. The

second hair test about six months after the first one showed it.

Barbara

> Barbara,

>

> I think strontium is found in waste from nuclear reactors. Have

you ever

> lived or worked at a place like that? Or at a place that sorts

scrap metal,

> or at a municipal landfill? Flouride enhances the uptake of

strontium. So

> if you don't have a water filter that filters out fluoride, you

might want

> to consider that. Also get a toothpaste without fluoride.

>

> I've heard that exposure to strontium is linked to bone cancer. It

mimics

> calcium in the body, but it damages blood producing cells when it

becomes

> part of the bone marrow tissue. But was it Duncan who said we need

it for

> healthy bones? So I'm confused - are there two different

strontiums?

>

> Carol

>

>

> From: " bamay1844 " <bamay1844@y...>

> I had a recent hair test and I have tested to high in strontium.

> Does anyone know how I could have been exposed to too high levels

and

> how to bring it down?

> Barbara

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Would you benefit from a more effective and healthy immune system?

> Organic, wholefood, supplements provide nutrients essential for the

> health of people, pets and plants.

http://www.bluegreensolutions.com

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great Smokies Lab

> > > Nina,

> > > Try the Angstrom Calcium (comes from plants) from

> > > www.drlamarsproducts.com. It is completely bio-available to the

> body.

> > > Add Boron for even better absorbtion. Would be nice to get it

> from a

> > > vegan diet but since most of our produce is grown in soil

> completely

> > > depleted of minerals, it would be hard to do.

> >

> > I know about boron as a bone builder, not an absorption

failitator.

> > Add strontium too; several ladies on the osteoporosis list are

> > getting results by adding 2000 mg daily. I challenge anybody to

> find

> > an adequate natural source of strontium or boron. Bone building

> also

> > requires large amounts of vitamin C to cross link the first

layer

> of

> > collagen, the bone matrix. Just try to find more than a gram or

so

> > from all sources; a person might need four grams daily according

to

> > Dr. Rath, and adequate glutathione will recycle it.

> >

> > > Unfortunately, most

> > > calcium products are not able to be absorbed by the body.

> >

> > OsteoProCare contains collagen, macrominerals and orotic acid,

the

> > exact mineral transporter for the cells. The presence of orotic

> acid

> > sidsteps any concern of bowel absorption and subsequent cellular.

> Try

> > to find that kind of boost in nature to prevent natural selection

> > from ruling you out

> >

> > Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Re: bones

> Barbara,

>

> I think strontium is found in waste from nuclear reactors. Have you ever

> lived or worked at a place like that? Or at a place that sorts scrap

> metal,

> or at a municipal landfill? Flouride enhances the uptake of strontium.

> So

> if you don't have a water filter that filters out fluoride, you might want

> to consider that. Also get a toothpaste without fluoride.

>

> I've heard that exposure to strontium is linked to bone cancer. It mimics

> calcium in the body, but it damages blood producing cells when it becomes

> part of the bone marrow tissue. But was it Duncan who said we need it for

> healthy bones? So I'm confused - are there two different strontiums?

>

> Carol

Nuclear waste is *radioactive* Strontium, while the planet normally

has non-radioactive strontium like all the other elements. What the body

needs is non-radioactive. As in all minerals, one can have too much or too

little.

Alobar

[Guest guest]

you have to have an M.D. order tests there. Does anybody know where you can

get tests done without a medical order?

Thanks,

Nina

Re: bones

Great Smokies Lab

> Where did you get your hair tested? Thanks - Nina

>

[Guest guest]

At one point I thought that the minerals were dissolved into the broth too, and got in a big discussion about it ... some of the minerals might be dissolved, but mostly it's the protein that dissolves. If the bone dissolves it gives an off-taste to the broth, according to the chefs.

Anyway, when I don't get enough calcium I get tetany, which makes it really easy to test if I'm getting enough! And broth doesn't work. But AFAIK no one's actually *tested* how much calcium is in the broth. I think broth is wonderful stuff, and we eat it a lot, but we don't count on it for calcium.

Calcium pills work, so does actually eating the softened bones (you can make them into crackers or put them into smoothies). Right now I'm opting for the pills because cows also store heavy metals etc. in their bones and I'm not sure that ANY pasture is safe from, say, leaded gas exhaust. That might just be paranoia on my part.

-- On 1/18/07, Amberlyn <amberlyn@...> wrote:

Hi ,

I work bones into my diet on a regular basis, by making bone-broth soups.

Put a mess of meaty bones (mixed or from poultry or meat), roasted for

better flavor, into a stockpot and cover with cold water. To this add

about a 1/4 cup vinegar and let stand for one hour before heating. Simmer

slowly for hours - about 8-10 for poultry, and 24 for beef. Skim the scum

that rises... At least three hours before the stock is done, add

aromatics - onion, celery, carrots, garlic.... When done, strain and cool

quickly and when chilled, lift the fat and reheat. What you have

now is the beginning of great soups and sauces. I freeze some stock in

ice-cube trays for sauces, and make a great variety of soups with the

rest. The minerals in the bones and cartilage are released into the broth

by the acidic bath. See

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/broth.html

Amberlyn

[Guest guest]

Really, I just don't know. I feed my chickens oyster shells, and they do great on them. But there were oysters that were tested, that had high levels of lead in the shells. It's always the problem of the predator ... predators concentrate whatever elements happen to be in their prey, which is why tuna have higher levels of mercury than herring do. And why eating seal oil can give you high levels of dioxins.

I eat beef liver though, which also concentrates pollutants, probably worse than a thyroid gland would? When it comes to glands, there are substances that you can't get any other way, probably. When it comes to simple elements, like calcium and magnesium, the decisions are easier.

-- On 1/18/07, <kennio@...> wrote:

Then you must think like my doctor does, that Armour thyroid is oftencontaminated with heavy metals.

[Guest guest]

>From: <kennio@...>

>Then you must think like my doctor does, that Armour thyroid is often

>contaminated with heavy metals.

The problem with worrying about that, is everything is contaminated. You

can only avoid so much.

Want poison? Fluoride is in the tap water. Which tends to mean even if you

have a well, and can avoid the added fluoride, if you eat processed food and

processing involves water, you get fluoride. Avoid processed foods? If it's

not organic, it's likely fluoride was in the pesticide used on produce, as

manufacturers seem to realize that fluoride will kill insects and rats. I

hear if you eat boneless meats, they somehow use mercury for processing. It

seems as though you dont' eat red meat, chicken frequently has arsenic.

Yes, I think the people who want to reduce the population are hard at work.

There are proponents of that, you know.

Want more poision? Just take most synthetic drugs doctors would prescribe.

One good thing about iodine is the detox capability. It protects a bit from

fluoride, though probably not from over whelming amounts. And Vitamin C

also helps detox.

Since you made that statement, I was wondering how your magnesium is

manufactured. I couldn't really find anything specific in a few minutes.

However, I did find one magnesium supplier that screened its magnesium for

certain heavy metals and pesticides, though they say it's not required. If

it's not required, it might mean some manufacturers don't care. Also, read

there's now only one American manufacturer, since China has taken over the

market.

I did find something real interesting. We always hear how we should take an

aspirin for a heart attack. They say they can't prove this, but it

wouldn't surprise me at all -

http://www.rense.com/products/oxd.htm

" Although hard to document, we have been told that all the aspirin studies

that " prove " an aspirin a day keeps a heart attack away -- were with

buffered aspirin, i.e., with added magnesium. Our sources point out that it

is unlikely that further studies using " plain " aspirin will be undertaken

because preliminary studies always show " plain " aspirin does not show the

same protective affect against heart attacks. So if you still believe what

you read in the mass media, make sure your daily aspirin is buffered! (Or

much better yet, take a magnesium tablet instead!) "

Skipper

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In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

Hey DAvid & TONY this is LARRY from Arkansas it's good to know there are

medical professionals in this group. I suffer from depression & panic attacks.

Hospitalized 4 times in the past year.

And how much of your problems are attributable to the treatment you are

getting. No way you were hospitalized and not treated with a pharmacopia of

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Every one is entitled to their opinion!!!!

Re: Bones

In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

Hey DAvid & TONY this is LARRY from Arkansas it's good to know there are

medical professionals in this group. I suffer from depression & panic attacks.

Hospitalized 4 times in the past year.

And how much of your problems are attributable to the treatment you are

getting. No way you were hospitalized and not treated with a pharmacopia of

mind-altering, brain-damaging drugs.

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[Guest guest]

Every one is entitled to their opinion!!!!

Re: Bones

In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

Hey DAvid & TONY this is LARRY from Arkansas it's good to know there are

medical professionals in this group. I suffer from depression & panic attacks.

Hospitalized 4 times in the past year.

And how much of your problems are attributable to the treatment you are

getting. No way you were hospitalized and not treated with a pharmacopia of

mind-altering, brain-damaging drugs.

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com.

[Guest guest]

Every one is entitled to their opinion!!!!

Re: Bones

In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

Hey DAvid & TONY this is LARRY from Arkansas it's good to know there are

medical professionals in this group. I suffer from depression & panic attacks.

Hospitalized 4 times in the past year.

And how much of your problems are attributable to the treatment you are

getting. No way you were hospitalized and not treated with a pharmacopia of

mind-altering, brain-damaging drugs.

************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at http://www.aol.

com.

[Guest guest]

Every one is entitled to their opinion!!!!

Re: Bones

In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

Hey DAvid & TONY this is LARRY from Arkansas it's good to know there are

medical professionals in this group. I suffer from depression & panic attacks.

Hospitalized 4 times in the past year.

And how much of your problems are attributable to the treatment you are

getting. No way you were hospitalized and not treated with a pharmacopia of

mind-altering, brain-damaging drugs.

************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at http://www.aol.

com.

[Guest guest]

That's where psychiatry is different than other real branches of

medicine.

It relies on opinion.

Re: Bones

Every one is entitled to their opinion!!!!

Re: Bones

In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

Hey DAvid & TONY this is LARRY from Arkansas it's good to know there are

medical professionals in this group. I suffer from depression & panic

attacks.

Hospitalized 4 times in the past year.

And how much of your problems are attributable to the treatment you are

getting. No way you were hospitalized and not treated with a pharmacopia

of

mind-altering, brain-damaging drugs.

************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at

http://www.aol. com.

[Guest guest]

That's where psychiatry is different than other real branches of

medicine.

It relies on opinion.

Re: Bones

Every one is entitled to their opinion!!!!

Re: Bones

In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

Hey DAvid & TONY this is LARRY from Arkansas it's good to know there are

medical professionals in this group. I suffer from depression & panic

attacks.

Hospitalized 4 times in the past year.

And how much of your problems are attributable to the treatment you are

getting. No way you were hospitalized and not treated with a pharmacopia

of

mind-altering, brain-damaging drugs.

************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at

http://www.aol. com.

[Guest guest]

That's where psychiatry is different than other real branches of

medicine.

It relies on opinion.

Re: Bones

Every one is entitled to their opinion!!!!

Re: Bones

In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

Hey DAvid & TONY this is LARRY from Arkansas it's good to know there are

medical professionals in this group. I suffer from depression & panic

attacks.

Hospitalized 4 times in the past year.

And how much of your problems are attributable to the treatment you are

getting. No way you were hospitalized and not treated with a pharmacopia

of

mind-altering, brain-damaging drugs.

************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at

http://www.aol. com.

[Guest guest]

That's where psychiatry is different than other real branches of

medicine.

It relies on opinion.

Re: Bones

Every one is entitled to their opinion!!!!

Re: Bones

In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

Hey DAvid & TONY this is LARRY from Arkansas it's good to know there are

medical professionals in this group. I suffer from depression & panic

attacks.

Hospitalized 4 times in the past year.

And how much of your problems are attributable to the treatment you are

getting. No way you were hospitalized and not treated with a pharmacopia

of

mind-altering, brain-damaging drugs.

************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at

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[Guest guest]

I agree maybe 65% not entirely.

TAKE CARE

LARRY S

Re: Bones

In a message dated 4/8/2007 5:16:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,

SSRI medications writes:

Hey DAvid & TONY this is LARRY from Arkansas it's good to know there are

medical professionals in this group. I suffer from depression & panic

attacks.

Hospitalized 4 times in the past year.

And how much of your problems are attributable to the treatment you are

getting. No way you were hospitalized and not treated with a pharmacopia

of

mind-altering, brain-damaging drugs.

************ ********* ********* ******** See what's free at

http://www.aol. com.