diatomaceous earth

October 14, 1999

Definitions: from Dictionary of Mining Terms

diatomite: diatomaceous earth; A fossil accumulatioon of diatoms, usually

with some radiolaria and smaller amounts of foraminifera. Diatomite is

essentially amorphous, hydrated, or opaline silica with various

contaminates, such as silica sand, clay minerals, iron, alkalites, and

alkaline earths. Unprocessed diatomite has a hardness of 4-6.5 on Moh's

scale. It is widely used as a filter medium, as industrial filler, for

thermal and acoustical insulation and in ceramics. The largest deposits in

the United States are in California.

diatom: A microscopic unicellular plant which has an envelope (frustule) or

outer skeleton of hydrated silica, close to opal in composition, and

usually in two parts, though some have a ring-shaped frustule and these

grow in chains. They inhabit both fresh water and salt water, and their

fructules form masses of diatomaceous earth or shale attaining a thickness

of thousands of feet.

December 29, 1999

In a message dated 12/28/99 15:50:55, drsmeller@... writes:

<< Has anyone tried Diatomaceous Earth to get rid of parasites? I would

appreciate any feed back. Rick >>

A few weeks ago there was a big controversy on this list about this product.

To avoid rehashing it, I'd like to recapitulate to the best of my ability:

yes, many people tried it and they mainly found it very effective but several

people also documented that the product is very toxic, and bentonite was

recommended in its place. If anyone has anything to add, please do, but as I

recall, that was the general gist of the thing. Robin G.

December 30, 1999

In a message dated 12/30/99 15:15:17, drsmeller@... writes:

<< Thanks for responding to my question about D.E.. My fear about taking it

is

that it would cut my insides (what a pleasant thought:) although I was told

it would help get rid of parasites. Specifically, how is it toxic? >>

Let me preface by saying that I have never taken the stuff, and personally

know precious little about it. But during the discussions about it a few

weeks ago, these are the notes I took:

Diatomaceous earth destroys the mucosa lining of the intestines. It kills

parasites by piercing the mucosa lining of the bugs and literally dehydrating

them. It has the exact same effect on the colon. This information was from

Marcus, who is very knowledgeable and periodically contributes a lot

to this list. He felt that one list member's colitis might be due at least

in part to it.

It also emerged from the discussions that the main component of DE is silica,

which is toxic if too much is taken. The part you mention about it possibly

puncturing the walls of the GI tract with the sharp edges I don't remember

being discussed then, yet Russ has just brought it up now so it seems that

that too may be a legitimate concern.

Bentonite did seem to be preferred in those discussions, but I also remember

someone saying that bentonite has aluminum in it and shouldn't be taken for

too long either. I could be wrong about this as I can't find any notes on

it, but it is my recollection. Robin G.

December 30, 1999

I would also like to know..

> From: " Rick Heller " <drsmeller@...>

>

> Robin G,

>

> Thanks for responding to my question about D.E.. My fear about taking it

is

> that it would cut my insides (what a pleasant thought:) although I was

told

> it would help get rid of parasites. Specifically, how is it toxic? You and

> anyone else can email me directly: DrSmeller@.... Thanks. (I don't

> want to set off a storm of controversy).

December 30, 1999

In a message dated 12/29/99 21:53:45, rcrosby@... writes:

<< The various kinds of clay minerals, including

bentonite, do have the ability to adsorb toxins. Unless very very well

mixed with other things, it can cling to your insides and begin to get hard.

>>

This is an interesting point. My colonic therapist, who prescribes me a

bentonite/psyllium mixture, does this with a chinese herbal mixture which is

a softener. Both bentonite and psyllium need to be taken with something

like this, otherwise they will clog you.

Robin G.

January 2, 2000

Definitions: (Dictionary of Mining Terms)

diatomite: diatomaceous earth; A fossil accumulatioon of diatoms, usually

with some radiolaria and smaller amounts of foraminifera. Diatomite is

essentially amorphous, hydrated, or opaline silica with various

contaminates, such as silica sand, clay minerals, iron, alkalites, and

alkaline earths. Unprocessed diatomite has a hardness of 4-6.5 on Moh's

scale. It is widely used as a filter medium, as industrial filler, for

thermal and acoustical insulation and in ceramics. The largest deposits in

the United States are in California.

diatom: A microscopic unicellular plant which has an envelope (frustule) or

outer skeleton of hydrated silica, close to opal in composition, and

usually in two parts, though some have a ring-shaped frustule and these

grow in chains. They inhabit both fresh water and salt water, and their

fructules form masses of diatomaceous earth or shale attaining a thickness

of thousands of feet.

----

Diatomaceous earth is used in products to kill insects in gardening and

food growing applications (by ingestion). What it would do inside the human

body, I don't know.

Bob

March 15, 2001

QueenIJ2000@... wrote:

>

> Does anyone know where I can purchase diatomaceous earth for human

> cosumption? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Why do you want to eat that stuff? Even if there is an uncomtaminated

form available, wouldn't it just slice up all of your g.i. tract? MA

March 15, 2001

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March 15, 2001

You can usually find it at a tack shop or farmers supplies location. It

however isn't considered for human consumption but I can appreciate where

you're going here. It really is an interesting subject but I'll reframe from

getting into it regarding human or animal consumption. It is also good for

the likes of fleas by causing them to bleed to death after hopping around on

it as it's like sharp glass to them.

Dale

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Diatomaceous earth

> Does anyone know where I can purchase diatomaceous earth for human

> cosumption? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

>

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April 7, 2001

In a message dated 3/15/01 5:24:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

QueenIJ2000@... writes:

<< Does anyone know where I can purchase diatomaceous earth for human

cosumption? Any information would be greatly appreciated. >>

www.engardehealth.com

Robin G.

July 1, 2004

Hi Sharon ~

We've been using Codex Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth for 5 years now. We

keep it in our goat herb/grain mix, in our feed mix for the fowl, and when

worming use for the wolves, dogs, and 20 something outdoor country cats. We

have consumed it (it's chalky tasting) mixed in water. I have customers who

drive from Los Angeles to pick up a 50 lb. bag of DE and consume a heaping

tsp. in a full glass of water 3x/day before meals and swear by its

effectiveness at removing parasites, better bowels, clean/non-greasy

skin/pores, and no acne.

It's also excellent for external parasites - fleas, lice, mites, flies,

ants, etc. and we use it in our gardens regularly, tho DE will kill

beneficial insects as well.

Yes, humans can certainly consume it, but we've always followed Hulda's

black walnut, cloves, and wormwood for parasite removal. Even tho there are

lots of capsules to take, that we encapsulate ourselves, I prefer it over

the taste of DE...

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Diatomaceous Earth

> Has anyone here taken Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth (Fuller's Earth)?

Supposedly it will slice up and kill microscopic parasites, worms, etc. It

is used in livestock feed as a dewormer.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Sharon

>

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--- anthonyfoxfranko <skodamix06@...> wrote:

> hi roger you mentioned DE in your reply to parasite

> or pathogen this

> was the first i had heard of it but after looking

> into it iam thinking

> of dusting my entire house with it especialy in my

> loft space where

> these things are flying about and dropping into our

> water tank thus

> into our water system i would appreciate any

> suggestions you or anyone

> has on this. i have also been on the salt and c

> remedy for 2 days now

> as i suspect this could be lyme disease but was put

> of when first

> tested for lyme when test came back negative. I

> would also appreciate

> any info on testing for lyme so i can discuss with

> my GP

>

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April 13, 2007

I was surprised as well, until I recalled some websites I was looking

at about Doctors without Borders and U.N. health forces...

apparently there is FOOD GRADE and NON FOOOD grade DE- and

unfortunately some companies dont care to make the distinction.

NEVER use any DE that is not clearly marked food grade on or in humans

or pets. I believe the difference is in processing but there is

varying opinions. Some say that if the DE is not crystalline ( as

happens with pool filter DE that heated first) it cant harm the body,

others say its a function of how well powdered and hence less sharp

the particles are. And then how can one tell without a microscope??

diatoms are microscopic creatures- with silica ( glass) shells and if

processed one way, a dust of sharp needles of microscopic size remains

to get into skin, mucous membranes and lung tissue.

since food grade is " softer " and more rounded particles how can it be

effective as insect control...then the sharp edges which pierce

insects bodies wont be there?? Its not so much a dehydratant as a

physical mechanism. They only dry out due to being pricked.No sharp

edges no pricks.

I have NO idea how it works internally--as an irritant to parasites or

chemically, so in the gut it may not matter as to the sharpness of the

particles. Im guessing it WOULD matter if non food grade was ingested

as those sharp slivers will pierce the lining of the gut and travel!.

IMHO find a reputable company and email to ask about their claims

for " food grade " and satisfy your needs of safety. for me, Im sticking

with herbal oils topically applied!

be well

Finette

>

> I'm surprised at the suggestion to use this on pets. And didn't

someone

> suggest using it interneally. I've used it for garden pests. From my

> understanding, it is tiny creatures bodies that have sharp edges that

> kill insects when they ingest or walk across it. The warning on the

> container is to use a mask when spreading it to avoid breathing it.

So

> I'm curious about use on pets who lick themselves, thus ingesting

it,and

> also would inhale it?????? jo

>

June 4, 2008

Hope some can tell us more about diatomaceous earth. I researched the

web and didn't find any information connecting this product to Candida.

But, I'm very intrigued about the result you all are reporting.

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Subject: diatomaceous earth

Sorry new to the group.

How does diatomaceous earth help with yeast infections?

Thanks,

Shonda

pilgrim_MJ <pilgrim_mj@... <mailto:pilgrim_mj%40>

> wrote:

Dear Greg,

This very thing happened to me, but it was after taking a round

of

Activia last year. Also, I had quite a bit of stringy, more

definite

shapes, as well as the white, cottony-like material. It took

several

days for it to stop.

I bet the diatomaceous earth is helping. I have heard that it is

very

effective against things like this in the gut. I took Candex for

a long

time, and never got that kind of result...

I don't know about you, but I felt GREAT seeing all of that OUT,

instead

of thinking about it IN!!!

maryjo

> >

> > Yep, someone said somewhere (not sure if on this forum) that

it

> looks like bits of toilet paper.

> > Hopefully this isn't too much questioning, but 1) are you

taking

> antifungals? and 2) are you having a lot of the " weblike

stuff, " or is

> just bits here and there?

> >

> > white stools

> >

> > I know this has been talked about before? But weblike stuff

in the

> > toilet is probably candida, right?

> >

> > greg

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June 4, 2008

I'd also like to know more about diatomaceous earth. How is it sold? I found a

website selling it in a bulk bag.

Shonda, do you have problems with vag. yeast infections? If so, boric acid

works VERY well. It's sold on amazon.com and also can be found in a product

called yeast arrest. If you purchase the yeast arrest, be sure to open the

capsules before insertion as otherwise they just come back out.

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Sorry new to the group.

How does diatomaceous earth help with yeast infections?

Thanks,

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Yeah, there is little to no connection that can be found online

between DE and candida. It is normally sold for killing parasites and

is known to do that pretty well. The way I made the connection (which

I'm still not completely convinced there is one) is that I tried a

product called syclovir. One more magic bullet internet product with

a whole " what is candida and how do you beat it " kind of website. I

tried it and noticed it did help somewhat with bloating and reflux.

Nothing huge, but it seemed to smooth out digestion a bit.

I went to read about it on curezone, and there wasn't much, but

someone said to just buy food grade DE cause it was basically the same

thing at a much lower price. Well after searching the info online

about syclovir and finding no clear distinction between it and common

DE, I e-mailed the makers and asked what the difference was, and his

response was something along the lines of " We cannot tell you what

makes our product different from others. Go by if it works for you. "

which basically said to me, " there is no difference besides better

advertising. " So long story short, I went from buying a canister of

11 oz of syclovir for $40 to a 2 lb bag of food grade DE for 17. No

real noticeable difference between the two products.

So what is the connection between DE and candida? I don't really

think there is one. Somehow it seems to aid in digestion a bit

though, and you might get out a few parasites if that is a problem for

you. I wouldn't pay another $40 for 11 oz of the stuff, but 17 bucks

for a bag that will last a few monthes ain't too bad of a price to get

that little added digestive bonus it provides, whatever it may be exactly.

greg

>

> Hope some can tell us more about diatomaceous earth. I researched the

> web and didn't find any information connecting this product to Candida.

> But, I'm very intrigued about the result you all are reporting.

>

June 6, 2008

I am on Biamonte's protocol for candida, and Diamataceous Earth is definitely

a big part of it. Candida and parasites go hand in hand, so both have to be

equally addressed or you will keep getting recurrences. I am not exactly sure

why he chooses DE other than to address parasite issues, but it is a constant

in the protocol, along with numerous other substances and anti-fungals. Hope

that helps.

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Hi Terry:

I know that diatomaceous earth is used to control parasites in some animals

like chickens. The explanation of how it works is that it puts lots of tiny

microscopic cuts in the parasites bodies which eventually kills them, but

the cuts are so tiny, that it doesn't affect larger animals like chickens or

other hosts of parasites like humans. So if parasites go hand in hand with

candida, and the DE is being used specifically for the parasites, then

perhaps all that white stuff enveloping the stools is parasite related, i.e.

the secretions of the parasites and webbing stuff that help them hang on in

the digestive tract. Someone else mentioned the white stuff followed by more

definite " strings. " Sounds like parasites to me. Just a layman's guess,

tho.

If they are parasites, then it would be expected that there should be a lot

of them coming out over time because parasites multiply in the thousands and

rather quickly. Also consider how many feet the intestinal tract is.

Generally, where there's one, there's plenty more where they came from.

Take care,

Marla

-- Re: diatomaceous earth

I am on Biamonte's protocol for candida, and Diamataceous Earth is

definitely

a big part of it. Candida and parasites go hand in hand, so both have to be

equally addressed or you will keep getting recurrences. I am not exactly

sure

why he chooses DE other than to address parasite issues, but it is a

constant

in the protocol, along with numerous other substances and anti-fungals. Hope

that helps.

Terry

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June 7, 2008

It's suppose to help get ride of paraistes. & nbsp; I took it for that thinking I

had paraiste. & nbsp; I don't think I did. & nbsp; And testing for parasites is a

waste of time. & nbsp; Even w/animals (at least w/possums) test show neg, but the

have parasites. & nbsp; So just wondering how diatomaceous earth works for yeast.

& nbsp;

Shonda

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still die.

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them.

Abusing animals is abusing & nbsp;perfection that God has blessed us with.

& nbsp;

Dear Greg,

This very thing happened to me, but it was after taking a round

of

Activia last year. Also, I had quite a bit of stringy, more

definite

shapes, as well as the white, cottony-like material. It took

several

days for it to stop.

I bet the diatomaceous earth is helping. I have heard that it is

very

effective against things like this in the gut. I took Candex for

a long

time, and never got that kind of result...

I don't know about you, but I felt GREAT seeing all of that OUT,

instead

of thinking about it IN!!!

maryjo

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; Yep, someone said somewhere (not sure if on this forum) that

it

& gt; looks like bits of toilet paper.

& gt; & gt; Hopefully this isn't too much questioning, but 1) are you

taking

& gt; antifungals? and 2) are you having a lot of the " weblike

stuff, " or is

& gt; just bits here and there?

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; white stools

& gt; & gt;

& gt; & gt; I know this has been talked about before? But weblike stuff

in the

& gt; & gt; toilet is probably candida, right?

& gt; & gt;

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June 7, 2008

I had a horrid case of yeast down below for MONTHS on end. & nbsp; then my

neighbor told me to be checked for gardnerella cause they kept treating her for

yeast too, but nothing seemed to work and she had gardnerella instead. & nbsp; So

I told my dr. to test me for this. (out here the dr.'s are lazy, and don't care,

trust me....they are a sad bunch of them). & nbsp; Well I did have gardnerella and

they treated me for that and also the yeast. & nbsp; Gardnerella is like yeast in

a sense that you have it, but your body keeps it in check, but when you immune

system goes down or what have you then it can cause problems like yeast. & nbsp;

So every time I go in I tell them to check for BOTH. & nbsp; It makes a big

difference. & nbsp; I think the reason I have been so sick for a year now is that

our house has mold in it. & nbsp; In fact I got so sick that I have left. & nbsp;And

honestly don't know what we are going to do about it. & nbsp; I doubt we can

afford to fix the

problem. & nbsp; And we can't afford to pay rent to live some where else AND

mortgage. & nbsp; So I'm in real dilemma. & nbsp; " but this time my yeast came back

as in thrush, like REALLY " BAD CASE. & nbsp; And nothing seemed to be working on

it. & nbsp; It was really strange. & nbsp; My son;s tongue also has a white look to

it. & nbsp; And nothing is clearing that up either. & nbsp; Then my son, who is 3

got salmonella and we just got out of the hospital last Sunday. & nbsp; he was up

there for 4 days. & nbsp; it was horrible. & nbsp; he was passing blood and it was

so scary. & nbsp; But see, he is showing some signs that I have like his tongue

and such...so I really think it is the house. & nbsp; I've been tested for

diabetes, AID (they automatically check you for that when you are pregnant),

I've had cat scans, ultra sounds, colonoscopy, etc. and lots of blood work done

etc,. & nbsp; All comes back neg. except for yeast, garnderella and a proto zoa

(sp) bug that i had un my

gut. & nbsp; & nbsp; But all these things we ALL have but our body keeps them in

check, mine just got out of control. & nbsp; So I just try and work on building up

my immune system and try to stick to mostly veggies and lean meat and that is

about all I can do. & nbsp; Mold can effect a persons immune system and I'm

thinking that is what has happened.

& nbsp;

who knows.......I feel like a rat in a maze and running around and getting no

where fast.

& nbsp;

Shonda

June 8, 2008

Shonda,

I'm so sorry to hear about your son. I hope he's feeling better.

About mold in the house. . . I rented a home about 10 years ago and during that

time period has nearly daily bouts of brain fog! When we moved out of the

house, we discovered huge growths of black mold behind our bed. We had already

known there was a problem, but it was more extensive than we realized.

Have you tried any cleanup for the mold? I read that hydrogen peroxide can

help. . . maybe there are other products too? What about an air filtration

system? Anything to help you feel better.

Also, have you tried diatomaceous earth? I'm hoping to purchase some this week

and try it out. Hopefully it helps a bit.

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