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Barbara,

I was about to write to let you know that 48-Hours will be airing their piece

(partly about us and Farmers) on March 2nd. Just as I was writing you, I

received your email.

You're one step ahead of me!

I think the piece will be VERY good for all victims.

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In a message dated 2/25/00 5:36:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,

onelist writes:

<< : I have not only written the president, but also the First Lady and

the Vice President about indoor air quality concerns. This should be a cause

near and dear to their hearts since the " first family " suffers from asthma

and other respiratory problems - but so far, not a peep. Maybe the White

House has toxic mold. These days - as widespread as the contamination has

become I wouldn't doubt it for a moment.

Barbara

>>

Barb & ,

I too have written to the President, The First Lady and Al Gore about several

issues including sick buildings. What happened to one of my letters that I

know of for sure is one of the Presidents Aids intercepted it and passed it

on to someone else. He wrote me so proudly to tell me so! I wrote back and

told him thanks for nothing!

So I just wanted to let you know, our letters don't always make it to those

we have addressed them to at the White House. There are so many people in

the front lines screening mail, faxes and phones, we have no way of knowing

where our letters are going.

Lheas

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At 09:40 AM 9/21/00 +0000, you wrote:

>One person graciously asked if I was going to refrigerate my lotions and

>sell them out of an ice chest. At first I was irritated but then decided

>that might not be a bad idea. Is it feasible? Would people buy it? I

>don't know. You tell me. I think I might if I saw someone doi!

look at the success of LUSH... Donna once ran a shop doing

that. People bought it.

there's a company now that does that... they ship overnite, by fedex, in

coolers.

I'm sorry if my asking offended you. in my experience and opinion

(both!) it is the ONLY safe way to sell unpreserved creams or lotions.

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Hi Everyone who requested info re: the vinegar for skin. Lots of

requests!!!!!!! Here goes.

Cosmetic vinegars have been an indispensable complexion aid for centuries.

Advocates espouse vinegar's ability to preserve or restore the skin's proper

ph balance, keeping both oily and dry complexions soft and fresh. Depending

on the herbs infused the vinegar, tonics are reputed to keep acne at bay,

inprove circulation reduce broken veins and capilaries smooth out wrinlkes

and bleach freckles.

Use high quality cider vinegar. Start with 1 cup fresh petals or leaves for

each 2 cups of vinegars. Steep for several weeks and then strain and bottle.

ACACIA: Astringent, soothes and heals dry skin

BAY: Antiseptic, stimulates.

CHAMOMILE: For normal skin, antiseptic, astringent, cleanses, softens and

soothes.

CLOVER, YELLOW SWEET: Treatment for dry skin, astringent, antibiotic, heals,

soothes.

LAVENDER: Treatment for oily skin, stimulates, antiseptic, relieves joint

pain.

MINT: For normal skin, refreshes, cools, heals, stimulates, astringent

relieves headaches.

ORANGE: Treament for dry skin, soothes.

PARSLEY: For oily skin, cleanses, lightens freckles.

Sounds good to me. Jacque

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> Subject: Trying and still trying

>Sometimes I don't even know the right questions to ask. Most people won't

give you the right answers unless you do ask the right questions. So tell

me when I haven't asked the right questions and I'll be happy to ask.

Debe, I think Jen Snider, Angie, Sue, and myself, answered not only the

questions that were asked but also those that needed to be asked and

weren't. You just threw it back in our face and said you believed some guy

on the phone that told you he was a chemist and gave you a bunch of

information without anything to back it up.

> So far when I've made lotion, I make small batches. I mean small, like

32 oz. at a time. If it costs $300 or more to have each batch tested, I

CAN'T afford to do that.

I told you that there is nothing in the FDA regs. that require you to have

your lotion tested-it is recommended though. I also told you that if you

used Germaben ll at the recommended rate of 1% and used reasonable

precautions to keep your work area clean that your lotion should be o.k and

that it would not be over preserved. Again, you chose to listen to some

un-named source that told you it was vitally important to have your lotion

tested if you used Germaben, but apparently not so if you used the debunked

GSE.

>One person graciously asked if I was going to refrigerate my lotions and

sell them out of an ice chest. At first I was irritated but then decided

that might not be a bad idea. Is it feasible?

No it is not, because as was also pointed out to you, you are responsible

for what your customer may introduce into your lotion after you sell it.

Your liability does not go away after you sell your product.

>Another person on the list explained what Germaben products do to be

effective. Not sure I want that happening on my skin.

The alternative is to have a lot worse happening on your skin, just because

you can't see it doesn't mean those little critters are not working on you.

>I'm really sorry if I offended anyone. I didn't mean to when I started

this whole mess, although I knew it would start a ruckus.

I don't now about the others, but you didn't offend me and I can't say that

I noticed a ruckus. If there had been one, the list administrators would

have closed the topic. What you did though was make me realize that I was

spending far too much time trying to help people that really didn't want to

be helped. So my conversation with you has been a blessing in disguise

because out of it sprung a list where people come who are open to learning.

>or I must have listened to the horses a**. That puts my defenses up and

even though I know better, I respond in kind.

This sounds similar to something I said, but it is NOT what I said, here is

the actual quote; " Are you sure it wasn't the ass " s mouth that he/she got it

from? "

As you can see it was not aimed at you but one of your un-named sources that

got something from the " horses mouth " . I was not referring to ass as in

backside, but ass as in donkey. It was in relation to a bunch of

unsubstantiated nonsense that this person told you.

>And I have a higher source to answer to than on this list. It's what

motivates me.

If you are talking about what I think you are, then not only do you have a

responsibility to put out a safe product, but a duty.

> And when I screw up, I'm accountable and try to make amends. But I still

want to know the answers to my questions. And I guess I'm not willing to

settle for synthetic preservatives as the only solution.

Then unfortunately, the people that understand effective lotion preservation

on this list can't help you. You will get plenty of people that will tell

you what you want to hear and tell you that this or that natural

preservative works, and they may even be willing to sell it to you. I don't

sell any ingredients at this time, so I have nothing to gain. Before you

spend your money ask them to produce the challenge tests.

Pat.

Peace, Joy, Serenity.

www.houseofscents.com

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This may or may not help with the heals prob...but, have any of you thought

of changing footwear or changing types of socks/nilons <-no Butch, i wasnt

giggling and thinking of you when I wrote this!!

I used to wear wool socks to work...but my feet mysteriously went alllllll

dry and cracked..

nothing helped. Then when my socks all got holes in them, i changed to a

cotton sock..and within a week my feet were back to baby smooth.

Um..who is Ginny?

Thanks.

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Hi Judy, I have question re: you say you are going to be on the Peg for

4 yrs? Do you think you're body will be able to tolerate it? As for me,

I just finished 6 mos. Rebetron combo, and it just about wiped me out!!!

Good luck to you and keep us posted!! Sherry

Hi ,

I was on the combo for 10 months. I never cleared the virus so I quit.

I will be starting a study for non responders soon.

I will be on the peg for 4 years !!!!!!

I' m hoping that a cure will be found by then.

Death To The Dragon

Judy

" He who knows others is wise; / He knows himself is

enlightened. "

--Lao-Tzu

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> online you can find. After that, you can start with making

> batches of basic

> soap, using lard, tallow, olive oil (beware-this soap can be

> whitney

I have a bar of olive oil soap that I got for free from some online site (I

think it was during a vitamins.com coupon offer). That bar has lasted for a

VERY long time and it is very nice. The girls (5 yrs & 3 yrs) refuse to use

it b/c of it's color ;) but I like it.

Has anyone tried doing soaps with toys inside? Like the bug or dinosaur

soaps? I'd love directions on making those!

Bridget bridget@... Columbia, SC

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Angi,Hang in there you will see results.My son was three when he started

preschool and was barely talking intelligible after almost a full year of

speech and OT. They never thought he'd ever talk and had to use sign

language.He couldn't ever write his name at the beginning of the school year

last year and is now writing and it is eligible,he's in firsst grade.He still

has trouble with the scooter that he got for Christmas last year and tying

his shoes,but he is determined to do this and everything on his own. So,don't

give up every day makes a difference.Oh,and by the way he has been in the

children's choir the last two years because his Sunday School practiced then

and didn't open his mouth.Now he voluntarily goes to choir and never misses a

beat.Your's will too.Keep up the persitance.Welcome! Gretchen mother to

who is 6.

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Hi

I have been reading the posts for a few months now and just thought this

would be a good time to respond to one. We have been using N.A.C.D. with our

daughter for 4 yrs. and she is doing very well. What we have seen the most

growth in is her speech. Lindsey is 14 and had encephalitis with chicken pox

when she was 2. She has gone from speaking in 1 word phrases to speaking in

full sentences. So we are very pleased with her progress

Ginger

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Welcome Jill!

My daughter's a Jill -- Jillian . Congratulations on the 11 pound

loss! Great job! I am slowly getting over my caffeine addiction by drinking

decaf and have cut my cola consumption down to 1 glass of diet soda. I

bought Diet rite and liked it ok. I am currently 33 pounds from my first

goal of 190 and I follow ' FoodMover and exercise with him,

Sansone, & do resistance work. Great meeting you!

--

Hugs! Please keep us posted on what the doc says about your heart. Congrats

on the 2 pound loss! WOOHOO! Healthy vibes headed your way. :-)

Queenie --

Keep on truckin'! WOOHOO! You can do it!

Have a fab evening, ladies! Hugs and blessings to you all!

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,

I would love to have an Olympia night. Would Tuesday or Thursday work

for people? Wednesday is fine with me, too right now. As far as a place to

hold it, I suppose the Westfield (Capital) Mall would be an easy place to

get started, although I would hope that if we can get a few people together

that we could find a friendlier place. I actually have an easy house to

find, right off the freeway on Black Lake and wouldn't mind holding it here

for lack of a more mutually agreeable place. I just think people are more

comfortable coming to a public place until they get to know each other, you

think? Any ideas from anyone?

Digest Number 417

>

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For anybody into the mind-body-spirit healing approach, I just returned from a

two week stay at the Optimum Health Institute in Lemon Grove (near San Diego),

California. (There is also one in Austin, Texas, and there are quite a few

places in other parts of the country with similar programs ... upstate New York,

Santa Fe, Michigan, Florida, Puerto Rico). It was a nice place to focus on my

healing and take respite from the rest of my life. I got a stress related

disbility leave from my doctor. A good friend came along the first week to keep

me company. Their website is www.optimumhealth.org . It is relatively cheap (I

shared a townhouse for less than $700.00 per week, which is all inclusive ...

food, classes on aspects of healing, and simple yoga and exercise classes). The

biggest bonus was 200 wonderful people who form a nice healing field and become

a great opportunity for networking and comraderie. It's a very simple

environment (some of the others are fancier and offer more services). And there

are testimonials from folks who have experienced cures and disappearance of

tumors (a minister was there my second week who claims his rare lymphoma was no

longer detectable after his first stay), and I have no idea whether these

stories are true or not (I certainly didn't see any formal documentaion to

validate any of these claims), but regardless I think it is an excellent place

to go for support and respite and most definitely to detox after having any of

the toxic chemical treatments that many of us have to subject our bodies to. I

met a woman who went after she'd had chemo and radiation for breast CA and she

now returns twice a year for a three week stay (has been doing so for 10 years).

I had CTscans and blood work before and after (six months before, and two weeks

after) ... My initial diagnosis was stage 0-1 SLL october 2004 ... and for me

all is still the same (bloodwork was normal and continues to be so) and some

slightly enlarged nodes in abdomen and arm pits. So I can't make some dramatic

claim that my enlarged nodes all went away after two weeks of raw food and

wheaatgrass juice, but it was so restorative to my being I would highly recomend

it to anyone and it most definitely can't do any harm. If there was a way i

could swing it, I'd go for several months.

Somebody asked about diet recommendations ... there are many ... macrobiotic,

raw food, chinese medicine herbs and diet recommendations. Most consistent

recommendation is to eat protein and vegetables (organic meats and eggs and

organic vegetables when possible), get your Omega 3s and eat cultured or

fermented foods like yogurts/kefirs or sauerkrauts or kombucha or something with

LIVE cultures. THE MOST CONSISTENT RECOMMENDATION IS TO AVOID SUGAR. Cancer

cells seem to like sugar (all kinds including fruit, blueberries seem to be the

exception). I'd like to recommend a few books ....

-How to Prevent and Treat Cancer with Natural Medicine by Dr. f Murray

-Cancer As A Turning Point by Lawrence LeShan, Ph.D.

-Your Body's Many Cries for Water by F. Batmanghelidj, M.D.

-The SchwarzbeinPrinciple II by Schwarbein, M.D.

-The Body Ecology Diet by Donna Gates

And there is so many schools of thought and recommendations (eat lots of

tumeric, green tea, chlorella, CoQ10) and on and on. It could drive you insane

and to the poor house. But you can't go wrong with a diet that consists of

mostly (at least 75%) cooked and raw vegetables, with some protein and good fats

from fish, grass fed meats, organic eggs. The rest is mostly full of sugar, or

breaks down quickly to sugar (all the starches and grains, and of course sugar

itself and dairy has a lot of lactose) which isn't doing the cancer or your

blood sugar and hormones much good.

Anyway, nobody ever wants to hear this because the implications of changing

one's diet seem to be too overwhelming for most people and somehow hit a

cultural button (why are people so attached to macaroni and cheese and mashed

potatoes and cookies and cakes and coffee and whatever?). All this genetic

modification of organisms, etc and food in boxes ... this is fairly recent stuff

(white rice or white flour didn't exist for our ancestors, let alone, foods

invented in laboratories). We all know that simple is best, and suspect that all

this adulteration has contributed to the cancer in our bodies (water supply?

industrial waste? all these waves flying aorund .. microwaves and broadcast

waves and nuclear emissions). It's so much easier to pretend that it doesn't

matter. It opens a big can of worms, doesn't it?

Protein and vegetables. You can't really argue with that recommendation.

Good luck to all.

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Please post:

Religious EXEMPTION--

Well, it's time for my son's MMR booster before he goes to

kindergarten. I separated the mumps and rubella, after making sure

both vaccines were mercury=free by demanding to view the packet

information from the drug co. enclosed with the vial and demanding a

one-dose vial. However, I do not want to give him the measles, live

virus, shot, for obvious reasons. My pediatrician is still in the dark

about the connection, and he reported that no one had ever asked to see

the ingredients of the shots!! I was shocked parents can still be so

ignorant about vaccine presesrvatives!

My state only offers a religious exemption to children who do not

immunise -- has anyone done this, and what do I need to do?

Thanks,

Lorraine

On Thursday, June 30, 2005, at 02:43 PM, EOHarm wrote:

> There are 25 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Re: NAAR info for a friend/Bernie's Opinion (Long)

> From: " Charlie Hoover " <.Hoover@...>

> 2. Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing on Children and Low

> Income Americans

> From: " Kerbob " <robertbloch@...>

> 3. Fumento - way not worth the time...

> From: " sploobnoober " <brian@...>

> 4. Re: Re[2]: Concerning those B12 Shots

> From: " Maurine Meleck " <emaurine@...>

> 5. Re: NAAR info for a friend

> From: " " <angndon1994@...>

> 6. RE: Re: NAAR info for a friend

> From: " Alan " <aclark@...>

> 7. Re: DSMA dosage?

> From: Carolyn <momofdarcy@...>

> 8. Re: DSMA dosage?

> From: " Best Jr " <bettwice33@...>

> 9. Can't anyone correct the Kennedy correction?

> From: " " <AWROSENTHL@...>

> 10. Autism Speaks Home Page

> From: " bradfordhandley " <bradfordhandley@...>

> 11. Re: Can't anyone correct the Kennedy correction?

> From: Max Salinas <msalinas@...>

> 12. Re: DSMA dosage?

> From: Max Salinas <msalinas@...>

> 13. Re: Re[2]: Concerning those B12 Shots

> From: Max Salinas <msalinas@...>

> 14. Re: Re[2]: Concerning those B12 Shots

> From: " AutismHelp4WA " <autismhelp4wa@...>

> 15. Re: Anyone from Pennsylvania want to comment on Senator Rick

> Santorum?

> From: " angela watters " <aangelbaby66@...>

> 16. Diagnosis HYPE-

> From: " redhead60707 " <redhead60707@...>

> 17. Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> From: " angela watters " <aangelbaby66@...>

> 18. Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> From: " ianpsmom " <ianpsmom@...>

> 19. Re: Anyone from Pennsylvania want to comment on Senator Rick

> Santorum?

> From: " McCarthy " <john-mccarthy@...>

> 20. Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> From: " Peggy Rose " <rpggyr@...>

> 21. Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> From: " McCarthy " <john-mccarthy@...>

> 22. Re: Anahad's Most Annoying Point

> From: " knowele " <Hunter@...>

> 23. Re: Can't anyone correct the Kennedy correction? - DK are you

> there?

> From: " " <AWROSENTHL@...>

> 24. Re: Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> From: " angela watters " <aangelbaby66@...>

> 25. Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> From: " redhead60707 " <redhead60707@...>

>

>

> _______________________________________________________________________

> _

> _______________________________________________________________________

> _

>

> Message: 1

> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:59:38 -0000

> From: " Charlie Hoover " <.Hoover@...>

> Subject: Re: NAAR info for a friend/Bernie's Opinion (Long)

>

>

>> A friend of mine raised $10,000 last year for NAAR. She was about

> to

>> start this years efforts when I burst her bubble about where NAAR

>> stands on research issues. This is a woman with 5 year old twin,

>> autistic, girls! She does GFCF, chelation, supplements, etc. She

>> believes in biomed. Can someone send me the specific evidence of

> where

>> NAAR stands on the " scientific " issues. She has been so proud of

> what

>> she's doind for NAAR, I just hate to see her waste her efforts on

> an

>> organization like that. PLease help me explain!

>>

>> Thanks, Cathie

>

> Autism Research Review International, 2000, Vol. 14, No. 4, page 3

> " Garbage science, " brick walls, crossword puzzles,

> and mercury

> Bernard Rimland, Ph.D.

> Autism Research Institute

> 4182 Avenue

> San Diego, CA 92116

>

>

> " Garbage science! " That is how psychiatrist London

> characterized what he had just heard from several fellow parents of

> autistic children. Some of the parents were also MDs or

> professionals in other fields. " If you presented your views to a

> journal-reading club at a medical school, " Dr. London

> continued, " they would be thrown out the door. "

>

> The view that Dr. London objected to so strongly-that perfectly

> normal children had become severely autistic shortly after being

> inoculated with vaccines containing large amounts of highly toxic

> mercury-had been presented by parent-attendees at a National

> Institutes of Health meeting on October 23, 2000. The conference

> on " The Role of the Environment in Autism, " was sponsored by

> the

> National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.

>

> Continuing to deride what he called " garbage science, " Dr.

> London

> went on to explain that scientific progress proceeds like the

> building of a brick wall. " You start with a solid foundation to

> which you add, very systematically, experimentally proven facts,

> which fit neatly into place, brick by brick. "

>

> I arose and objected strenuously to Dr. London's assertions,

> noting

> that Dr. London's brick-wall model of scientific progress

> reflected

> a very common misconception. The brick-wall model is a useful way to

> teach science to beginning students: " Little steps for little

> feet. "

> But it is not the way scientific progress actually occurs in real

> life. I had in fact addressed this very matter in my Afterword to

> Anabel Stehli's book, The Sound of a Miracle. Referring to the

> brick-

> wall theory of scientific progress, I wrote " Nonsense! Nearly

> four

> decades as a full-time researcher has taught me that the crossword

> puzzle makes a much better model of how science really proceeds.

> Very often, finding the right answer in one corner will show that an

> answer already well established in some other corner is wrong, and

> needs to be erased. There is at least as much erasing of old answers

> as there is writing of new ones. The more important the finding is,

> the more likely it is to spring from the crossword puzzle, rather

> than the brick wall, process. "

>

> " The story of man's progress is a chronicle of authority

> refuted. "

> This adage is particularly true in the field of medicine.

> Historically, those who made the breakthroughs, the discoveries that

> brought about major changes in thought and practice, have been

> ridiculed and reviled by their contemporaries. The greatest names in

> medicine were treated with contempt by their colleagues, including

> Semmelweis, Lister, Pasteur, and Harvey in the distant past, and, in

> the recent past, contemporary physicians such as Abram Hoffer, the

> Shute brothers, Henry Turkel, and Kilmer McCully.

>

> " Yes, " I told Dr. London, " what you have heard this

> morning about

> the harm done by the mercury in vaccines probably would be thrown

> out the door of a medical school. Medical schools have a long and

> sordid history of punishing the bearers of new ideas, and especially

> new ideas that belie cherished long-held beliefs, such as the belief

> that vaccines are totally benign and do no harm. "

>

> London and his wife are the founders of the National

> Alliance for Autism Research (NAAR), which they established in 1995.

> When I published a one-page editorial in the Autism Research Review

> International in 1998 about the to-me obvious huge upsurge in the

> prevalence of autism, and listed vaccines as one possible cause of

> the increase, London wrote a 4-1/2 page rebuttal in the NAAR

> newsletter. He rejected my reply.

>

> Well, as readers of the ARRI already know, the reality, and the huge

> dimensions, of the increase in prevalence are now well established,

> and the role of vaccines in bringing about the increase is becoming

> more widely accepted.

>

> The mercury factor

> Starting in 1965, I began collecting information from parents on the

> various factors that might have caused, or exacerbated, autism in

> their children. In 1967 we began distributing a questionnaire, Form

> E3, of which we now have in our files about 10,000 completed cases.

>

> One question we began asking in our 1967 questionnaire was about the

> effect of the DPT shot-like MMR, a triple vaccine-on the child. A

> number of parents had mentioned to me in conversations and in

> letters that their children had been adversely affected by the

> vaccine. In that same questionnaire we also asked whether the mother

> had dental work done during pregnancy, in which silver fillings were

> either placed or removed, since mercury would reach the fetus in

> either case. I was aware then of the extreme toxicity of mercury and

> the fact that it could cause many of the symptoms of autism.

>

> In the late 1960s, my graduate student assistant, Dale Meyer, became

> interested in mercury poisoning as a possible cause of autism. She

> wrote a paper about acrodynia and pink disease, which had puzzled

> physicians since the late 19th century and were not established as a

> result of mercury poisoning until the 1950s. Acrodynia and pink

> disease were caused by teething lotions and baby powders containing

> mercury.

>

> Ten years ago I read an article by Moskowitz which mentioned

> that mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde were present in vaccines,

> but I dismissed the possibility that mercury could be present in

> amounts large enough to cause harm. Since the medical establishment,

> and certainly the drug companies, knew of the tremendous potential

> of even tiny amounts of mercury to do harm, it never occurred to me

> that toxic levels of mercury could be present in vaccines. How

> naïve

> I was!

>

> Not until the parents who presented their work at the NIEHS

> conference began to look into the matter, about a year ago, did the

> incredible facts begin to emerge: some children were being given 100

> or more times as much mercury in a single day as the Environmental

> Protection Agency considers the maximum allowable amount for a

> single day's exposure to mercury!

>

> Several parents present at the NIEHS conference were among the

> authors of the report exposing the mercury/autism connection. Sallie

> Bernard, Lyn Redwood, and Albert Enyati told about their perfectly

> normal children becoming autistic after the mercury-containing

> vaccines were administered. Pediatrician Cave told the

> attendees that most of the 400 or so autistic children she had

> treated had shown major improvement following many modalities, but

> in her opinion, ridding the child of mercury through the chelation

> process was probably the most effective treatment she employed.

>

> Dr. Olden, Director of NIEHS, and many of his colleagues who

> attended were very impressed and have begun research on the mercury

> connection.

>

> There are a number of protocols used by various physicians to remove

> mercury and other toxic metals from the body. The risk does not

> appear to be great, but there is at least some possibility of

> adverse reactions. The Autism Research Institute is organizing a

> small conference of experts, to be held very early in 2001, for the

> purpose of arriving at the safest and most effective treatment for

> mercury poisoning in autistic children. The results will be

> announced in the ARRI and on our website, www.autism.com/ari, at the

> earliest possible date.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _______________________________________________________________________

> _

> _______________________________________________________________________

> _

>

> Message: 2

> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:10:07 -0400

> From: " Kerbob " <robertbloch@...>

> Subject: Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing on Children and Low

> Income Americans

>

> I wondered last night if somebody is getting rid of the botulism toxin

> germ-warfare stockpiles by injecting it into American faces and lips?

> Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing on

> Children and Low Income Americans

>

>

> history just keeps repeating itself.

>

> http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/05/1357230

>

> slime.

>

>

> __________________________________________________

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What state? Different states have different requirements.... ie

Oregon, you just have to sign it, I believe they can not even ask you

about it by law... Seperation of Church and State.

Laurie

Mom To Grace 8

> Please post:

> Religious EXEMPTION--

> Well, it's time for my son's MMR booster before he goes to

> kindergarten.

> My state only offers a religious exemption to children who do not

> immunise -- has anyone done this, and what do I need to do?

>

> Thanks,

> Lorraine

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Laurie,

You know I was just thinking about that the other night. Did you see

on the news how the supreme court ruled on things like the ten

commandments Etc in state buildings Blah, Blau Blau. They upheld the

sparation of church and state. I was just wondering when I heard that

how any stated could deny a religious exemption to vaccines?

peggy

> > Please post:

> > Religious EXEMPTION--

> > Well, it's time for my son's MMR booster before he goes to

> > kindergarten.

> > My state only offers a religious exemption to children who do

not

> > immunise -- has anyone done this, and what do I need to do?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Lorraine

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Lorraine,

Click on this link. Scroll down and find your state. It should give

you info on hw to do it. I take one in Mass. I jsut have my attorney

type it on his letter head, then notorize it. This is not required in

my State but just in case I run into a big fish in a litttle bowl

that thinks they can challenge it. The attorneys letter heard is a

deterant. If you have any trouble let me know. What state are you in?

http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

Peggy

alittle but its jsut

> >> A friend of mine raised $10,000 last year for NAAR. She was

about

> > to

> >> start this years efforts when I burst her bubble about where NAAR

> >> stands on research issues. This is a woman with 5 year old twin,

> >> autistic, girls! She does GFCF, chelation, supplements, etc. She

> >> believes in biomed. Can someone send me the specific evidence of

> > where

> >> NAAR stands on the " scientific " issues. She has been so proud of

> > what

> >> she's doind for NAAR, I just hate to see her waste her efforts on

> > an

> >> organization like that. PLease help me explain!

> >>

> >> Thanks, Cathie

> >

> > Autism Research Review International, 2000, Vol. 14, No. 4, page 3

> > " Garbage science, " brick walls, crossword puzzles,

> > and mercury

> > Bernard Rimland, Ph.D.

> > Autism Research Institute

> > 4182 Avenue

> > San Diego, CA 92116

> >

> >

> > " Garbage science! " That is how psychiatrist London

> > characterized what he had just heard from several fellow parents

of

> > autistic children. Some of the parents were also MDs or

> > professionals in other fields. " If you presented your views to a

> > journal-reading club at a medical school, " Dr. London

> > continued, " they would be thrown out the door. "

> >

> > The view that Dr. London objected to so strongly-that perfectly

> > normal children had become severely autistic shortly after being

> > inoculated with vaccines containing large amounts of highly toxic

> > mercury-had been presented by parent-attendees at a National

> > Institutes of Health meeting on October 23, 2000. The conference

> > on " The Role of the Environment in Autism, " was sponsored by

> > the

> > National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.

> >

> > Continuing to deride what he called " garbage science, " Dr.

> > London

> > went on to explain that scientific progress proceeds like the

> > building of a brick wall. " You start with a solid foundation to

> > which you add, very systematically, experimentally proven facts,

> > which fit neatly into place, brick by brick. "

> >

> > I arose and objected strenuously to Dr. London's assertions,

> > noting

> > that Dr. London's brick-wall model of scientific progress

> > reflected

> > a very common misconception. The brick-wall model is a useful way

to

> > teach science to beginning students: " Little steps for little

> > feet. "

> > But it is not the way scientific progress actually occurs in real

> > life. I had in fact addressed this very matter in my Afterword to

> > Anabel Stehli's book, The Sound of a Miracle. Referring to the

> > brick-

> > wall theory of scientific progress, I wrote " Nonsense! Nearly

> > four

> > decades as a full-time researcher has taught me that the crossword

> > puzzle makes a much better model of how science really proceeds.

> > Very often, finding the right answer in one corner will show that

an

> > answer already well established in some other corner is wrong, and

> > needs to be erased. There is at least as much erasing of old

answers

> > as there is writing of new ones. The more important the finding

is,

> > the more likely it is to spring from the crossword puzzle, rather

> > than the brick wall, process. "

> >

> > " The story of man's progress is a chronicle of authority

> > refuted. "

> > This adage is particularly true in the field of medicine.

> > Historically, those who made the breakthroughs, the discoveries

that

> > brought about major changes in thought and practice, have been

> > ridiculed and reviled by their contemporaries. The greatest names

in

> > medicine were treated with contempt by their colleagues, including

> > Semmelweis, Lister, Pasteur, and Harvey in the distant past, and,

in

> > the recent past, contemporary physicians such as Abram Hoffer, the

> > Shute brothers, Henry Turkel, and Kilmer McCully.

> >

> > " Yes, " I told Dr. London, " what you have heard this

> > morning about

> > the harm done by the mercury in vaccines probably would be thrown

> > out the door of a medical school. Medical schools have a long and

> > sordid history of punishing the bearers of new ideas, and

especially

> > new ideas that belie cherished long-held beliefs, such as the

belief

> > that vaccines are totally benign and do no harm. "

> >

> > London and his wife are the founders of the National

> > Alliance for Autism Research (NAAR), which they established in

1995.

> > When I published a one-page editorial in the Autism Research

Review

> > International in 1998 about the to-me obvious huge upsurge in the

> > prevalence of autism, and listed vaccines as one possible cause of

> > the increase, London wrote a 4-1/2 page rebuttal in the NAAR

> > newsletter. He rejected my reply.

> >

> > Well, as readers of the ARRI already know, the reality, and the

huge

> > dimensions, of the increase in prevalence are now well

established,

> > and the role of vaccines in bringing about the increase is

becoming

> > more widely accepted.

> >

> > The mercury factor

> > Starting in 1965, I began collecting information from parents on

the

> > various factors that might have caused, or exacerbated, autism in

> > their children. In 1967 we began distributing a questionnaire,

Form

> > E3, of which we now have in our files about 10,000 completed

cases.

> >

> > One question we began asking in our 1967 questionnaire was about

the

> > effect of the DPT shot-like MMR, a triple vaccine-on the child. A

> > number of parents had mentioned to me in conversations and in

> > letters that their children had been adversely affected by the

> > vaccine. In that same questionnaire we also asked whether the

mother

> > had dental work done during pregnancy, in which silver fillings

were

> > either placed or removed, since mercury would reach the fetus in

> > either case. I was aware then of the extreme toxicity of mercury

and

> > the fact that it could cause many of the symptoms of autism.

> >

> > In the late 1960s, my graduate student assistant, Dale Meyer,

became

> > interested in mercury poisoning as a possible cause of autism. She

> > wrote a paper about acrodynia and pink disease, which had puzzled

> > physicians since the late 19th century and were not established

as a

> > result of mercury poisoning until the 1950s. Acrodynia and pink

> > disease were caused by teething lotions and baby powders

containing

> > mercury.

> >

> > Ten years ago I read an article by Moskowitz which

mentioned

> > that mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde were present in vaccines,

> > but I dismissed the possibility that mercury could be present in

> > amounts large enough to cause harm. Since the medical

establishment,

> > and certainly the drug companies, knew of the tremendous potential

> > of even tiny amounts of mercury to do harm, it never occurred to

me

> > that toxic levels of mercury could be present in vaccines. How

> > naïve

> > I was!

> >

> > Not until the parents who presented their work at the NIEHS

> > conference began to look into the matter, about a year ago, did

the

> > incredible facts begin to emerge: some children were being given

100

> > or more times as much mercury in a single day as the Environmental

> > Protection Agency considers the maximum allowable amount for a

> > single day's exposure to mercury!

> >

> > Several parents present at the NIEHS conference were among the

> > authors of the report exposing the mercury/autism connection.

Sallie

> > Bernard, Lyn Redwood, and Albert Enyati told about their perfectly

> > normal children becoming autistic after the mercury-containing

> > vaccines were administered. Pediatrician Cave told the

> > attendees that most of the 400 or so autistic children she had

> > treated had shown major improvement following many modalities, but

> > in her opinion, ridding the child of mercury through the chelation

> > process was probably the most effective treatment she employed.

> >

> > Dr. Olden, Director of NIEHS, and many of his colleagues

who

> > attended were very impressed and have begun research on the

mercury

> > connection.

> >

> > There are a number of protocols used by various physicians to

remove

> > mercury and other toxic metals from the body. The risk does not

> > appear to be great, but there is at least some possibility of

> > adverse reactions. The Autism Research Institute is organizing a

> > small conference of experts, to be held very early in 2001, for

the

> > purpose of arriving at the safest and most effective treatment for

> > mercury poisoning in autistic children. The results will be

> > announced in the ARRI and on our website, www.autism.com/ari, at

the

> > earliest possible date.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

______________________________________________________________________

_

> > _

> >

______________________________________________________________________

_

> > _

> >

> > Message: 2

> > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:10:07 -0400

> > From: " Kerbob " <robertbloch@c...>

> > Subject: Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing on Children and

Low

> > Income Americans

> >

> > I wondered last night if somebody is getting rid of the botulism

toxin

> > germ-warfare stockpiles by injecting it into American faces and

lips?

> > Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing on

> > Children and Low Income Americans

> >

> >

> > history just keeps repeating itself.

> >

> > http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/05/1357230

> >

> > slime.

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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Lorraine,

Link to how to find out what specific laws for vaccine exemption in

your state are.

Peggy

http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

> >> A friend of mine raised $10,000 last year for NAAR. She was

about

> > to

> >> start this years efforts when I burst her bubble about where NAAR

> >> stands on research issues. This is a woman with 5 year old twin,

> >> autistic, girls! She does GFCF, chelation, supplements, etc. She

> >> believes in biomed. Can someone send me the specific evidence of

> > where

> >> NAAR stands on the " scientific " issues. She has been so proud of

> > what

> >> she's doind for NAAR, I just hate to see her waste her efforts on

> > an

> >> organization like that. PLease help me explain!

> >>

> >> Thanks, Cathie

> >

> > Autism Research Review International, 2000, Vol. 14, No. 4, page 3

> > " Garbage science, " brick walls, crossword puzzles,

> > and mercury

> > Bernard Rimland, Ph.D.

> > Autism Research Institute

> > 4182 Avenue

> > San Diego, CA 92116

> >

> >

> > " Garbage science! " That is how psychiatrist London

> > characterized what he had just heard from several fellow parents

of

> > autistic children. Some of the parents were also MDs or

> > professionals in other fields. " If you presented your views to a

> > journal-reading club at a medical school, " Dr. London

> > continued, " they would be thrown out the door. "

> >

> > The view that Dr. London objected to so strongly-that perfectly

> > normal children had become severely autistic shortly after being

> > inoculated with vaccines containing large amounts of highly toxic

> > mercury-had been presented by parent-attendees at a National

> > Institutes of Health meeting on October 23, 2000. The conference

> > on " The Role of the Environment in Autism, " was sponsored by

> > the

> > National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.

> >

> > Continuing to deride what he called " garbage science, " Dr.

> > London

> > went on to explain that scientific progress proceeds like the

> > building of a brick wall. " You start with a solid foundation to

> > which you add, very systematically, experimentally proven facts,

> > which fit neatly into place, brick by brick. "

> >

> > I arose and objected strenuously to Dr. London's assertions,

> > noting

> > that Dr. London's brick-wall model of scientific progress

> > reflected

> > a very common misconception. The brick-wall model is a useful way

to

> > teach science to beginning students: " Little steps for little

> > feet. "

> > But it is not the way scientific progress actually occurs in real

> > life. I had in fact addressed this very matter in my Afterword to

> > Anabel Stehli's book, The Sound of a Miracle. Referring to the

> > brick-

> > wall theory of scientific progress, I wrote " Nonsense! Nearly

> > four

> > decades as a full-time researcher has taught me that the crossword

> > puzzle makes a much better model of how science really proceeds.

> > Very often, finding the right answer in one corner will show that

an

> > answer already well established in some other corner is wrong, and

> > needs to be erased. There is at least as much erasing of old

answers

> > as there is writing of new ones. The more important the finding

is,

> > the more likely it is to spring from the crossword puzzle, rather

> > than the brick wall, process. "

> >

> > " The story of man's progress is a chronicle of authority

> > refuted. "

> > This adage is particularly true in the field of medicine.

> > Historically, those who made the breakthroughs, the discoveries

that

> > brought about major changes in thought and practice, have been

> > ridiculed and reviled by their contemporaries. The greatest names

in

> > medicine were treated with contempt by their colleagues, including

> > Semmelweis, Lister, Pasteur, and Harvey in the distant past, and,

in

> > the recent past, contemporary physicians such as Abram Hoffer, the

> > Shute brothers, Henry Turkel, and Kilmer McCully.

> >

> > " Yes, " I told Dr. London, " what you have heard this

> > morning about

> > the harm done by the mercury in vaccines probably would be thrown

> > out the door of a medical school. Medical schools have a long and

> > sordid history of punishing the bearers of new ideas, and

especially

> > new ideas that belie cherished long-held beliefs, such as the

belief

> > that vaccines are totally benign and do no harm. "

> >

> > London and his wife are the founders of the National

> > Alliance for Autism Research (NAAR), which they established in

1995.

> > When I published a one-page editorial in the Autism Research

Review

> > International in 1998 about the to-me obvious huge upsurge in the

> > prevalence of autism, and listed vaccines as one possible cause of

> > the increase, London wrote a 4-1/2 page rebuttal in the NAAR

> > newsletter. He rejected my reply.

> >

> > Well, as readers of the ARRI already know, the reality, and the

huge

> > dimensions, of the increase in prevalence are now well

established,

> > and the role of vaccines in bringing about the increase is

becoming

> > more widely accepted.

> >

> > The mercury factor

> > Starting in 1965, I began collecting information from parents on

the

> > various factors that might have caused, or exacerbated, autism in

> > their children. In 1967 we began distributing a questionnaire,

Form

> > E3, of which we now have in our files about 10,000 completed

cases.

> >

> > One question we began asking in our 1967 questionnaire was about

the

> > effect of the DPT shot-like MMR, a triple vaccine-on the child. A

> > number of parents had mentioned to me in conversations and in

> > letters that their children had been adversely affected by the

> > vaccine. In that same questionnaire we also asked whether the

mother

> > had dental work done during pregnancy, in which silver fillings

were

> > either placed or removed, since mercury would reach the fetus in

> > either case. I was aware then of the extreme toxicity of mercury

and

> > the fact that it could cause many of the symptoms of autism.

> >

> > In the late 1960s, my graduate student assistant, Dale Meyer,

became

> > interested in mercury poisoning as a possible cause of autism. She

> > wrote a paper about acrodynia and pink disease, which had puzzled

> > physicians since the late 19th century and were not established

as a

> > result of mercury poisoning until the 1950s. Acrodynia and pink

> > disease were caused by teething lotions and baby powders

containing

> > mercury.

> >

> > Ten years ago I read an article by Moskowitz which

mentioned

> > that mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde were present in vaccines,

> > but I dismissed the possibility that mercury could be present in

> > amounts large enough to cause harm. Since the medical

establishment,

> > and certainly the drug companies, knew of the tremendous potential

> > of even tiny amounts of mercury to do harm, it never occurred to

me

> > that toxic levels of mercury could be present in vaccines. How

> > naïve

> > I was!

> >

> > Not until the parents who presented their work at the NIEHS

> > conference began to look into the matter, about a year ago, did

the

> > incredible facts begin to emerge: some children were being given

100

> > or more times as much mercury in a single day as the Environmental

> > Protection Agency considers the maximum allowable amount for a

> > single day's exposure to mercury!

> >

> > Several parents present at the NIEHS conference were among the

> > authors of the report exposing the mercury/autism connection.

Sallie

> > Bernard, Lyn Redwood, and Albert Enyati told about their perfectly

> > normal children becoming autistic after the mercury-containing

> > vaccines were administered. Pediatrician Cave told the

> > attendees that most of the 400 or so autistic children she had

> > treated had shown major improvement following many modalities, but

> > in her opinion, ridding the child of mercury through the chelation

> > process was probably the most effective treatment she employed.

> >

> > Dr. Olden, Director of NIEHS, and many of his colleagues

who

> > attended were very impressed and have begun research on the

mercury

> > connection.

> >

> > There are a number of protocols used by various physicians to

remove

> > mercury and other toxic metals from the body. The risk does not

> > appear to be great, but there is at least some possibility of

> > adverse reactions. The Autism Research Institute is organizing a

> > small conference of experts, to be held very early in 2001, for

the

> > purpose of arriving at the safest and most effective treatment for

> > mercury poisoning in autistic children. The results will be

> > announced in the ARRI and on our website, www.autism.com/ari, at

the

> > earliest possible date.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

______________________________________________________________________

_

> > _

> >

______________________________________________________________________

_

> > _

> >

> > Message: 2

> > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:10:07 -0400

> > From: " Kerbob " <robertbloch@c...>

> > Subject: Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing on Children and

Low

> > Income Americans

> >

> > I wondered last night if somebody is getting rid of the botulism

toxin

> > germ-warfare stockpiles by injecting it into American faces and

lips?

> > Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing on

> > Children and Low Income Americans

> >

> >

> > history just keeps repeating itself.

> >

> > http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/05/1357230

> >

> > slime.

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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Look up the web-site called Think Twice. They have information on

each state's vaccination laws so that you can make your own decisions

on how to approach your school system on vaccination issues.

> >> A friend of mine raised $10,000 last year for NAAR. She was

about

> > to

> >> start this years efforts when I burst her bubble about where NAAR

> >> stands on research issues. This is a woman with 5 year old twin,

> >> autistic, girls! She does GFCF, chelation, supplements, etc. She

> >> believes in biomed. Can someone send me the specific evidence of

> > where

> >> NAAR stands on the " scientific " issues. She has been so proud of

> > what

> >> she's doind for NAAR, I just hate to see her waste her efforts on

> > an

> >> organization like that. PLease help me explain!

> >>

> >> Thanks, Cathie

> >

> > Autism Research Review International, 2000, Vol. 14, No. 4, page 3

> > " Garbage science, " brick walls, crossword puzzles,

> > and mercury

> > Bernard Rimland, Ph.D.

> > Autism Research Institute

> > 4182 Avenue

> > San Diego, CA 92116

> >

> >

> > " Garbage science! " That is how psychiatrist London

> > characterized what he had just heard from several fellow parents

of

> > autistic children. Some of the parents were also MDs or

> > professionals in other fields. " If you presented your views to a

> > journal-reading club at a medical school, " Dr. London

> > continued, " they would be thrown out the door. "

> >

> > The view that Dr. London objected to so strongly-that perfectly

> > normal children had become severely autistic shortly after being

> > inoculated with vaccines containing large amounts of highly toxic

> > mercury-had been presented by parent-attendees at a National

> > Institutes of Health meeting on October 23, 2000. The conference

> > on " The Role of the Environment in Autism, " was sponsored by

> > the

> > National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.

> >

> > Continuing to deride what he called " garbage science, " Dr.

> > London

> > went on to explain that scientific progress proceeds like the

> > building of a brick wall. " You start with a solid foundation to

> > which you add, very systematically, experimentally proven facts,

> > which fit neatly into place, brick by brick. "

> >

> > I arose and objected strenuously to Dr. London's assertions,

> > noting

> > that Dr. London's brick-wall model of scientific progress

> > reflected

> > a very common misconception. The brick-wall model is a useful way

to

> > teach science to beginning students: " Little steps for little

> > feet. "

> > But it is not the way scientific progress actually occurs in real

> > life. I had in fact addressed this very matter in my Afterword to

> > Anabel Stehli's book, The Sound of a Miracle. Referring to the

> > brick-

> > wall theory of scientific progress, I wrote " Nonsense! Nearly

> > four

> > decades as a full-time researcher has taught me that the crossword

> > puzzle makes a much better model of how science really proceeds.

> > Very often, finding the right answer in one corner will show that

an

> > answer already well established in some other corner is wrong, and

> > needs to be erased. There is at least as much erasing of old

answers

> > as there is writing of new ones. The more important the finding

is,

> > the more likely it is to spring from the crossword puzzle, rather

> > than the brick wall, process. "

> >

> > " The story of man's progress is a chronicle of authority

> > refuted. "

> > This adage is particularly true in the field of medicine.

> > Historically, those who made the breakthroughs, the discoveries

that

> > brought about major changes in thought and practice, have been

> > ridiculed and reviled by their contemporaries. The greatest names

in

> > medicine were treated with contempt by their colleagues, including

> > Semmelweis, Lister, Pasteur, and Harvey in the distant past, and,

in

> > the recent past, contemporary physicians such as Abram Hoffer, the

> > Shute brothers, Henry Turkel, and Kilmer McCully.

> >

> > " Yes, " I told Dr. London, " what you have heard this

> > morning about

> > the harm done by the mercury in vaccines probably would be thrown

> > out the door of a medical school. Medical schools have a long and

> > sordid history of punishing the bearers of new ideas, and

especially

> > new ideas that belie cherished long-held beliefs, such as the

belief

> > that vaccines are totally benign and do no harm. "

> >

> > London and his wife are the founders of the National

> > Alliance for Autism Research (NAAR), which they established in

1995.

> > When I published a one-page editorial in the Autism Research

Review

> > International in 1998 about the to-me obvious huge upsurge in the

> > prevalence of autism, and listed vaccines as one possible cause of

> > the increase, London wrote a 4-1/2 page rebuttal in the NAAR

> > newsletter. He rejected my reply.

> >

> > Well, as readers of the ARRI already know, the reality, and the

huge

> > dimensions, of the increase in prevalence are now well

established,

> > and the role of vaccines in bringing about the increase is

becoming

> > more widely accepted.

> >

> > The mercury factor

> > Starting in 1965, I began collecting information from parents on

the

> > various factors that might have caused, or exacerbated, autism in

> > their children. In 1967 we began distributing a questionnaire,

Form

> > E3, of which we now have in our files about 10,000 completed

cases.

> >

> > One question we began asking in our 1967 questionnaire was about

the

> > effect of the DPT shot-like MMR, a triple vaccine-on the child. A

> > number of parents had mentioned to me in conversations and in

> > letters that their children had been adversely affected by the

> > vaccine. In that same questionnaire we also asked whether the

mother

> > had dental work done during pregnancy, in which silver fillings

were

> > either placed or removed, since mercury would reach the fetus in

> > either case. I was aware then of the extreme toxicity of mercury

and

> > the fact that it could cause many of the symptoms of autism.

> >

> > In the late 1960s, my graduate student assistant, Dale Meyer,

became

> > interested in mercury poisoning as a possible cause of autism. She

> > wrote a paper about acrodynia and pink disease, which had puzzled

> > physicians since the late 19th century and were not established

as a

> > result of mercury poisoning until the 1950s. Acrodynia and pink

> > disease were caused by teething lotions and baby powders

containing

> > mercury.

> >

> > Ten years ago I read an article by Moskowitz which

mentioned

> > that mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde were present in vaccines,

> > but I dismissed the possibility that mercury could be present in

> > amounts large enough to cause harm. Since the medical

establishment,

> > and certainly the drug companies, knew of the tremendous potential

> > of even tiny amounts of mercury to do harm, it never occurred to

me

> > that toxic levels of mercury could be present in vaccines. How

> > naïve

> > I was!

> >

> > Not until the parents who presented their work at the NIEHS

> > conference began to look into the matter, about a year ago, did

the

> > incredible facts begin to emerge: some children were being given

100

> > or more times as much mercury in a single day as the Environmental

> > Protection Agency considers the maximum allowable amount for a

> > single day's exposure to mercury!

> >

> > Several parents present at the NIEHS conference were among the

> > authors of the report exposing the mercury/autism connection.

Sallie

> > Bernard, Lyn Redwood, and Albert Enyati told about their perfectly

> > normal children becoming autistic after the mercury-containing

> > vaccines were administered. Pediatrician Cave told the

> > attendees that most of the 400 or so autistic children she had

> > treated had shown major improvement following many modalities, but

> > in her opinion, ridding the child of mercury through the chelation

> > process was probably the most effective treatment she employed.

> >

> > Dr. Olden, Director of NIEHS, and many of his colleagues

who

> > attended were very impressed and have begun research on the

mercury

> > connection.

> >

> > There are a number of protocols used by various physicians to

remove

> > mercury and other toxic metals from the body. The risk does not

> > appear to be great, but there is at least some possibility of

> > adverse reactions. The Autism Research Institute is organizing a

> > small conference of experts, to be held very early in 2001, for

the

> > purpose of arriving at the safest and most effective treatment for

> > mercury poisoning in autistic children. The results will be

> > announced in the ARRI and on our website, www.autism.com/ari, at

the

> > earliest possible date.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

______________________________________________________________________

_

> > _

> >

______________________________________________________________________

_

> > _

> >

> > Message: 2

> > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:10:07 -0400

> > From: " Kerbob " <robertbloch@c...>

> > Subject: Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing on Children and

Low

> > Income Americans

> >

> > I wondered last night if somebody is getting rid of the botulism

toxin

> > germ-warfare stockpiles by injecting it into American faces and

lips?

> > Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing on

> > Children and Low Income Americans

> >

> >

> > history just keeps repeating itself.

> >

> > http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/05/1357230

> >

> > slime.

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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You can have his blood checked for measles titre level - most kids

are high enough after first vaccine (and most spectrum kids are very

high). If his titres say he is immune, this can be used instead of

the vaccine.

Interestingly, here in VA, they test titres for measles only - not

mumps or rubella - and a high measles titre is enough to get you a

vaccine waiver. We did this with my NT son - when I fill out health

forms with vaccination lists for school or camp, I just write in the

date and the word " titre " - no one has ever questioned me since they

don't know what the heck it means.

> >> A friend of mine raised $10,000 last year for NAAR. She was

about

> > to

> >> start this years efforts when I burst her bubble about where NAAR

> >> stands on research issues. This is a woman with 5 year old twin,

> >> autistic, girls! She does GFCF, chelation, supplements, etc. She

> >> believes in biomed. Can someone send me the specific evidence of

> > where

> >> NAAR stands on the " scientific " issues. She has been so proud of

> > what

> >> she's doind for NAAR, I just hate to see her waste her efforts on

> > an

> >> organization like that. PLease help me explain!

> >>

> >> Thanks, Cathie

> >

> > Autism Research Review International, 2000, Vol. 14, No. 4, page 3

> > " Garbage science, " brick walls, crossword puzzles,

> > and mercury

> > Bernard Rimland, Ph.D.

> > Autism Research Institute

> > 4182 Avenue

> > San Diego, CA 92116

> >

> >

> > " Garbage science! " That is how psychiatrist London

> > characterized what he had just heard from several fellow parents

of

> > autistic children. Some of the parents were also MDs or

> > professionals in other fields. " If you presented your views to a

> > journal-reading club at a medical school, " Dr. London

> > continued, " they would be thrown out the door. "

> >

> > The view that Dr. London objected to so strongly-that perfectly

> > normal children had become severely autistic shortly after being

> > inoculated with vaccines containing large amounts of highly toxic

> > mercury-had been presented by parent-attendees at a National

> > Institutes of Health meeting on October 23, 2000. The conference

> > on " The Role of the Environment in Autism, " was sponsored by

> > the

> > National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.

> >

> > Continuing to deride what he called " garbage science, " Dr.

> > London

> > went on to explain that scientific progress proceeds like the

> > building of a brick wall. " You start with a solid foundation to

> > which you add, very systematically, experimentally proven facts,

> > which fit neatly into place, brick by brick. "

> >

> > I arose and objected strenuously to Dr. London's assertions,

> > noting

> > that Dr. London's brick-wall model of scientific progress

> > reflected

> > a very common misconception. The brick-wall model is a useful way

to

> > teach science to beginning students: " Little steps for little

> > feet. "

> > But it is not the way scientific progress actually occurs in real

> > life. I had in fact addressed this very matter in my Afterword to

> > Anabel Stehli's book, The Sound of a Miracle. Referring to the

> > brick-

> > wall theory of scientific progress, I wrote " Nonsense! Nearly

> > four

> > decades as a full-time researcher has taught me that the crossword

> > puzzle makes a much better model of how science really proceeds.

> > Very often, finding the right answer in one corner will show that

an

> > answer already well established in some other corner is wrong, and

> > needs to be erased. There is at least as much erasing of old

answers

> > as there is writing of new ones. The more important the finding

is,

> > the more likely it is to spring from the crossword puzzle, rather

> > than the brick wall, process. "

> >

> > " The story of man's progress is a chronicle of authority

> > refuted. "

> > This adage is particularly true in the field of medicine.

> > Historically, those who made the breakthroughs, the discoveries

that

> > brought about major changes in thought and practice, have been

> > ridiculed and reviled by their contemporaries. The greatest names

in

> > medicine were treated with contempt by their colleagues, including

> > Semmelweis, Lister, Pasteur, and Harvey in the distant past, and,

in

> > the recent past, contemporary physicians such as Abram Hoffer, the

> > Shute brothers, Henry Turkel, and Kilmer McCully.

> >

> > " Yes, " I told Dr. London, " what you have heard this

> > morning about

> > the harm done by the mercury in vaccines probably would be thrown

> > out the door of a medical school. Medical schools have a long and

> > sordid history of punishing the bearers of new ideas, and

especially

> > new ideas that belie cherished long-held beliefs, such as the

belief

> > that vaccines are totally benign and do no harm. "

> >

> > London and his wife are the founders of the National

> > Alliance for Autism Research (NAAR), which they established in

1995.

> > When I published a one-page editorial in the Autism Research

Review

> > International in 1998 about the to-me obvious huge upsurge in the

> > prevalence of autism, and listed vaccines as one possible cause of

> > the increase, London wrote a 4-1/2 page rebuttal in the NAAR

> > newsletter. He rejected my reply.

> >

> > Well, as readers of the ARRI already know, the reality, and the

huge

> > dimensions, of the increase in prevalence are now well

established,

> > and the role of vaccines in bringing about the increase is

becoming

> > more widely accepted.

> >

> > The mercury factor

> > Starting in 1965, I began collecting information from parents on

the

> > various factors that might have caused, or exacerbated, autism in

> > their children. In 1967 we began distributing a questionnaire,

Form

> > E3, of which we now have in our files about 10,000 completed

cases.

> >

> > One question we began asking in our 1967 questionnaire was about

the

> > effect of the DPT shot-like MMR, a triple vaccine-on the child. A

> > number of parents had mentioned to me in conversations and in

> > letters that their children had been adversely affected by the

> > vaccine. In that same questionnaire we also asked whether the

mother

> > had dental work done during pregnancy, in which silver fillings

were

> > either placed or removed, since mercury would reach the fetus in

> > either case. I was aware then of the extreme toxicity of mercury

and

> > the fact that it could cause many of the symptoms of autism.

> >

> > In the late 1960s, my graduate student assistant, Dale Meyer,

became

> > interested in mercury poisoning as a possible cause of autism. She

> > wrote a paper about acrodynia and pink disease, which had puzzled

> > physicians since the late 19th century and were not established

as a

> > result of mercury poisoning until the 1950s. Acrodynia and pink

> > disease were caused by teething lotions and baby powders

containing

> > mercury.

> >

> > Ten years ago I read an article by Moskowitz which

mentioned

> > that mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde were present in vaccines,

> > but I dismissed the possibility that mercury could be present in

> > amounts large enough to cause harm. Since the medical

establishment,

> > and certainly the drug companies, knew of the tremendous potential

> > of even tiny amounts of mercury to do harm, it never occurred to

me

> > that toxic levels of mercury could be present in vaccines. How

> > naïve

> > I was!

> >

> > Not until the parents who presented their work at the NIEHS

> > conference began to look into the matter, about a year ago, did

the

> > incredible facts begin to emerge: some children were being given

100

> > or more times as much mercury in a single day as the Environmental

> > Protection Agency considers the maximum allowable amount for a

> > single day's exposure to mercury!

> >

> > Several parents present at the NIEHS conference were among the

> > authors of the report exposing the mercury/autism connection.

Sallie

> > Bernard, Lyn Redwood, and Albert Enyati told about their perfectly

> > normal children becoming autistic after the mercury-containing

> > vaccines were administered. Pediatrician Cave told the

> > attendees that most of the 400 or so autistic children she had

> > treated had shown major improvement following many modalities, but

> > in her opinion, ridding the child of mercury through the chelation

> > process was probably the most effective treatment she employed.

> >

> > Dr. Olden, Director of NIEHS, and many of his colleagues

who

> > attended were very impressed and have begun research on the

mercury

> > connection.

> >

> > There are a number of protocols used by various physicians to

remove

> > mercury and other toxic metals from the body. The risk does not

> > appear to be great, but there is at least some possibility of

> > adverse reactions. The Autism Research Institute is organizing a

> > small conference of experts, to be held very early in 2001, for

the

> > purpose of arriving at the safest and most effective treatment for

> > mercury poisoning in autistic children. The results will be

> > announced in the ARRI and on our website, www.autism.com/ari, at

the

> > earliest possible date.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

______________________________________________________________________

_

> > _

> >

______________________________________________________________________

_

> > _

> >

> > Message: 2

> > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:10:07 -0400

> > From: " Kerbob " <robertbloch@c...>

> > Subject: Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing on Children and

Low

> > Income Americans

> >

> > I wondered last night if somebody is getting rid of the botulism

toxin

> > germ-warfare stockpiles by injecting it into American faces and

lips?

> > Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing on

> > Children and Low Income Americans

> >

> >

> > history just keeps repeating itself.

> >

> > http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/05/1357230

> >

> > slime.

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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Ask to have his titer checked. He probably does not

even need a booster. If his titer is good you do not

need the shot!

--- L Jorden <ljorden@...> wrote:

> Please post:

> Religious EXEMPTION--

> Well, it's time for my son's MMR booster before he

> goes to

> kindergarten. I separated the mumps and rubella,

> after making sure

> both vaccines were mercury=free by demanding to view

> the packet

> information from the drug co. enclosed with the vial

> and demanding a

> one-dose vial. However, I do not want to give him

> the measles, live

> virus, shot, for obvious reasons. My pediatrician

> is still in the dark

> about the connection, and he reported that no one

> had ever asked to see

> the ingredients of the shots!! I was shocked

> parents can still be so

> ignorant about vaccine presesrvatives!

>

> My state only offers a religious exemption to

> children who do not

> immunise -- has anyone done this, and what do I need

> to do?

>

> Thanks,

> Lorraine

> On Thursday, June 30, 2005, at 02:43 PM,

> EOHarm wrote:

>

> > There are 25 messages in this issue.

> >

> > Topics in this digest:

> >

> > 1. Re: NAAR info for a friend/Bernie's

> Opinion (Long)

> > From: " Charlie Hoover "

> <.Hoover@...>

> > 2. Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing

> on Children and Low

> > Income Americans

> > From: " Kerbob "

> <robertbloch@...>

> > 3. Fumento - way not worth the time...

> > From: " sploobnoober "

> <brian@...>

> > 4. Re: Re[2]: Concerning those B12 Shots

> > From: " Maurine Meleck "

> <emaurine@...>

> > 5. Re: NAAR info for a friend

> > From: " "

> <angndon1994@...>

> > 6. RE: Re: NAAR info for a friend

> > From: " Alan "

> <aclark@...>

> > 7. Re: DSMA dosage?

> > From: Carolyn

> <momofdarcy@...>

> > 8. Re: DSMA dosage?

> > From: " Best Jr "

> <bettwice33@...>

> > 9. Can't anyone correct the Kennedy

> correction?

> > From: " " <AWROSENTHL@...>

> > 10. Autism Speaks Home Page

> > From: " bradfordhandley "

> <bradfordhandley@...>

> > 11. Re: Can't anyone correct the Kennedy

> correction?

> > From: Max Salinas <msalinas@...>

> > 12. Re: DSMA dosage?

> > From: Max Salinas <msalinas@...>

> > 13. Re: Re[2]: Concerning those B12 Shots

> > From: Max Salinas <msalinas@...>

> > 14. Re: Re[2]: Concerning those B12 Shots

> > From: " AutismHelp4WA "

> <autismhelp4wa@...>

> > 15. Re: Anyone from Pennsylvania want to

> comment on Senator Rick

> > Santorum?

> > From: " angela watters "

> <aangelbaby66@...>

> > 16. Diagnosis HYPE-

> > From: " redhead60707 "

> <redhead60707@...>

> > 17. Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> > From: " angela watters "

> <aangelbaby66@...>

> > 18. Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> > From: " ianpsmom " <ianpsmom@...>

> > 19. Re: Anyone from Pennsylvania want to

> comment on Senator Rick

> > Santorum?

> > From: " McCarthy "

> <john-mccarthy@...>

> > 20. Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> > From: " Peggy Rose " <rpggyr@...>

> > 21. Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> > From: " McCarthy "

> <john-mccarthy@...>

> > 22. Re: Anahad's Most Annoying Point

> > From: " knowele "

> <Hunter@...>

> > 23. Re: Can't anyone correct the Kennedy

> correction? - DK are you

> > there?

> > From: " " <AWROSENTHL@...>

> > 24. Re: Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> > From: " angela watters "

> <aangelbaby66@...>

> > 25. Re: Diagnosis HYPE-

> > From: " redhead60707 "

> <redhead60707@...>

> >

> >

> >

>

_______________________________________________________________________

>

> > _

> >

>

_______________________________________________________________________

>

> > _

> >

> > Message: 1

> > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:59:38 -0000

> > From: " Charlie Hoover "

> <.Hoover@...>

> > Subject: Re: NAAR info for a friend/Bernie's

> Opinion (Long)

> >

> >

> >> A friend of mine raised $10,000 last year for

> NAAR. She was about

> > to

> >> start this years efforts when I burst her bubble

> about where NAAR

> >> stands on research issues. This is a woman with

> 5 year old twin,

> >> autistic, girls! She does GFCF, chelation,

> supplements, etc. She

> >> believes in biomed. Can someone send me the

> specific evidence of

> > where

> >> NAAR stands on the " scientific " issues. She has

> been so proud of

> > what

> >> she's doind for NAAR, I just hate to see her

> waste her efforts on

> > an

> >> organization like that. PLease help me explain!

> >>

> >> Thanks, Cathie

> >

> > Autism Research Review International, 2000, Vol.

> 14, No. 4, page 3

> > " Garbage science, " brick walls, crossword puzzles,

> > and mercury

> > Bernard Rimland, Ph.D.

> > Autism Research Institute

> > 4182 Avenue

> > San Diego, CA 92116

> >

> >

> > " Garbage science! " That is how psychiatrist

> London

> > characterized what he had just heard from several

> fellow parents of

> > autistic children. Some of the parents were also

> MDs or

> > professionals in other fields. " If you presented

> your views to a

> > journal-reading club at a medical school, " Dr.

> London

> > continued, " they would be thrown out the door. "

> >

> > The view that Dr. London objected to so

> strongly-that perfectly

> > normal children had become severely autistic

> shortly after being

> > inoculated with vaccines containing large amounts

> of highly toxic

> > mercury-had been presented by parent-attendees at

> a National

> > Institutes of Health meeting on October 23, 2000.

> The conference

> > on " The Role of the Environment in Autism, " was

> sponsored by

> > the

> > National Institute of Environmental Health

> Sciences.

> >

> > Continuing to deride what he called " garbage

> science, " Dr.

> > London

> > went on to explain that scientific progress

> proceeds like the

> > building of a brick wall. " You start with a solid

> foundation to

> > which you add, very systematically, experimentally

> proven facts,

> > which fit neatly into place, brick by brick. "

> >

> > I arose and objected strenuously to Dr. London's

> assertions,

> > noting

> > that Dr. London's brick-wall model of scientific

> progress

> > reflected

> > a very common misconception. The brick-wall model

> is a useful way to

> > teach science to beginning students: " Little steps

> for little

> > feet. "

> > But it is not the way scientific progress actually

> occurs in real

> > life. I had in fact addressed this very matter in

> my Afterword to

> > Anabel Stehli's book, The Sound of a Miracle.

> Referring to the

> > brick-

> > wall theory of scientific progress, I wrote

> " Nonsense! Nearly

> > four

> > decades as a full-time researcher has taught me

> that the crossword

> > puzzle makes a much better model of how science

> really proceeds.

> > Very often, finding the right answer in one corner

> will show that an

> > answer already well established in some other

> corner is wrong, and

> > needs to be erased. There is at least as much

> erasing of old answers

> > as there is writing of new ones. The more

> important the finding is,

> > the more likely it is to spring from the crossword

> puzzle, rather

> > than the brick wall, process. "

> >

> > " The story of man's progress is a chronicle of

> authority

> > refuted. "

> > This adage is particularly true in the field of

> medicine.

> > Historically, those who made the breakthroughs,

> the discoveries that

> > brought about major changes in thought and

> practice, have been

> > ridiculed and reviled by their contemporaries. The

> greatest names in

> > medicine were treated with contempt by their

> colleagues, including

> > Semmelweis, Lister, Pasteur, and Harvey in the

> distant past, and, in

> > the recent past, contemporary physicians such as

> Abram Hoffer, the

> > Shute brothers, Henry Turkel, and Kilmer McCully.

> >

> > " Yes, " I told Dr. London, " what you have heard

> this

> > morning about

> > the harm done by the mercury in vaccines probably

> would be thrown

> > out the door of a medical school. Medical schools

> have a long and

> > sordid history of punishing the bearers of new

> ideas, and especially

> > new ideas that belie cherished long-held beliefs,

> such as the belief

> > that vaccines are totally benign and do no harm. "

> >

> > London and his wife are the founders of

> the National

> > Alliance for Autism Research (NAAR), which they

> established in 1995.

> > When I published a one-page editorial in the

> Autism Research Review

> > International in 1998 about the to-me obvious huge

> upsurge in the

> > prevalence of autism, and listed vaccines as one

> possible cause of

> > the increase, London wrote a 4-1/2 page

> rebuttal in the NAAR

> > newsletter. He rejected my reply.

> >

> > Well, as readers of the ARRI already know, the

> reality, and the huge

> > dimensions, of the increase in prevalence are now

> well established,

> > and the role of vaccines in bringing about the

> increase is becoming

> > more widely accepted.

> >

> > The mercury factor

> > Starting in 1965, I began collecting information

> from parents on the

> > various factors that might have caused, or

> exacerbated, autism in

> > their children. In 1967 we began distributing a

> questionnaire, Form

> > E3, of which we now have in our files about 10,000

> completed cases.

> >

> > One question we began asking in our 1967

> questionnaire was about the

> > effect of the DPT shot-like MMR, a triple

> vaccine-on the child. A

> > number of parents had mentioned to me in

> conversations and in

> > letters that their children had been adversely

> affected by the

> > vaccine. In that same questionnaire we also asked

> whether the mother

> > had dental work done during pregnancy, in which

> silver fillings were

> > either placed or removed, since mercury would

> reach the fetus in

> > either case. I was aware then of the extreme

> toxicity of mercury and

> > the fact that it could cause many of the symptoms

> of autism.

> >

> > In the late 1960s, my graduate student assistant,

> Dale Meyer, became

> > interested in mercury poisoning as a possible

> cause of autism. She

> > wrote a paper about acrodynia and pink disease,

> which had puzzled

> > physicians since the late 19th century and were

> not established as a

> > result of mercury poisoning until the 1950s.

> Acrodynia and pink

> > disease were caused by teething lotions and baby

> powders containing

> > mercury.

> >

> > Ten years ago I read an article by

> Moskowitz which mentioned

> > that mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde were

> present in vaccines,

> > but I dismissed the possibility that mercury could

> be present in

> > amounts large enough to cause harm. Since the

> medical establishment,

> > and certainly the drug companies, knew of the

> tremendous potential

> > of even tiny amounts of mercury to do harm, it

> never occurred to me

> > that toxic levels of mercury could be present in

> vaccines. How

> > naïve

> > I was!

> >

> > Not until the parents who presented their work at

> the NIEHS

> > conference began to look into the matter, about a

> year ago, did the

> > incredible facts begin to emerge: some children

> were being given 100

> > or more times as much mercury in a single day as

> the Environmental

> > Protection Agency considers the maximum allowable

> amount for a

> > single day's exposure to mercury!

> >

> > Several parents present at the NIEHS conference

> were among the

> > authors of the report exposing the mercury/autism

> connection. Sallie

> > Bernard, Lyn Redwood, and Albert Enyati told about

> their perfectly

> > normal children becoming autistic after the

> mercury-containing

> > vaccines were administered. Pediatrician

> Cave told the

> > attendees that most of the 400 or so autistic

> children she had

> > treated had shown major improvement following many

> modalities, but

> > in her opinion, ridding the child of mercury

> through the chelation

> > process was probably the most effective treatment

> she employed.

> >

> > Dr. Olden, Director of NIEHS, and many of

> his colleagues who

> > attended were very impressed and have begun

> research on the mercury

> > connection.

> >

> > There are a number of protocols used by various

> physicians to remove

> > mercury and other toxic metals from the body. The

> risk does not

> > appear to be great, but there is at least some

> possibility of

> > adverse reactions. The Autism Research Institute

> is organizing a

> > small conference of experts, to be held very early

> in 2001, for the

> > purpose of arriving at the safest and most

> effective treatment for

> > mercury poisoning in autistic children. The

> results will be

> > announced in the ARRI and on our website,

> www.autism.com/ari, at the

> > earliest possible date.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

_______________________________________________________________________

>

> > _

> >

>

_______________________________________________________________________

>

> > _

> >

> > Message: 2

> > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:10:07 -0400

> > From: " Kerbob " <robertbloch@...>

> > Subject: Re: EPA Allowing Toxic Chemical Testing

> on Children and Low

> > Income Americans

> >

> > I wondered last night if somebody is getting rid

> of the botulism toxin

> > germ-warfare stockpiles by injecting it into

> American faces and lips?

> > Re: EPA Allowing Toxic

> Chemical Testing on

> > Children and Low Income Americans

> >

> >

> > history just keeps repeating itself.

> >

> >

>

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/05/1357230

> >

> > slime.

> >

> >

> >

> __________________________________________________

> >

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