New to the Group

January 17, 2011

, they aren't allowed to NOT do testing. You write a letter to the special ed director and tell him/her that you want your child to be testing for those disorders, some of the symptoms and issues and that you are hereby authorizing such testing. They are REQUIRED BY LAW to do a full individual evaluation within 60 days and then have an ARD with you. I would not wait one more day (well if you are off today you will have to:) to write that letter, they don't have a leg to stand on if they are breaking the law, and they know it. Also look at www.wrightslaw.com. There is a wealth of information on special ed there. He also sounds like he may have some sensory issues, A few mins ago I posted the best website for SPD, I would

go to the questionairre and see if some of those things fit your son, that may be the trick to his eating issues.... I would also go have a sit down conference with the teacher and figure out a better way than to have to do homework and schoolwork when he gets home, obviously there is an issue, and she needs to figure out something else besides sending it home!!!

Carolyn

From: W <jennywatson@...> Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 11:13:18 PMSubject: ( ) New to the group

Hi everyone,My son is 5 and was doing fine, just a little quirky. Then within a week of starting Kindergarten we were getting notes home from his teacher. Mainly that he often doesn't do schoolwork in the classroom, he just sits and fidgets, makes noises, etc. Now she sends his schoolwork home, along with his homework, so we have to fight with him all evening to get it done.They weren't willing to do testing, so I arranged it myself, and his diagnoses are ADHD, anxiety, and "Aspergers - tentative." I sent the report to the school and I'm waiting to hear back.He used to like school but now doesn't, which is a shame, because he's bright and academically inclined. He's on track academically. They seem to teach every concept in Kindergarten by getting the kids to color something, cut it out, and paste it onto something. I think his motor skills (plus a little perfectionism) are making it really hard for him. Also he gets a bad mark

for behavior pretty much every day, for making noises, fidgeting, bumping other kids while lining up in the hallway, etc. I'm not sure he cares any more about his behavior marks, I think he just assumes he will get them.I talked to an advocate yesterday, and hoping that she can get us more from the school, because they've been like a brick wall so far. We're also hoping to find a diet that works for him, although it might be tricky as he has food allergies (plus he's a picky eater, of course). We're hoping to avoid medications as he's very manageable at home (except for the schoolwork issue) and was doing fine in preschool also - the only problem is at school. More about us: my husband and I live in Tennessee. In addition to our son we have two daughters age 3 and 4 who we adopted about 3 months ago, and a foster daughter who is a toddler.I'm looking forward to learning a lot from this

group.

January 17, 2011

You received an excellent reply from Carolyn! Sending the schoolwork

home? That is really horrible! " Oh hey. I'm too lazy to do my job, so

why don't you do it?? " They are really taking advantage of you so far.

I've been in this " game " since my daughter was 2 and now she is in

kindergarten. Learn the law, what he's entitled to, etc. Punishing

Aspie behavior is outrageous and useless obviously. Poor kid! He's

lucky to have a Mom like you who is trying to help him!

Jen

DD 6 yo tomorrow!!

On Monday, January 17,

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> My son is 5 and was doing fine, just a little quirky. Then within a week of

starting Kindergarten we were getting notes home from his teacher. Mainly that

he often doesn't do schoolwork in the classroom, he just sits and fidgets, makes

noises, etc. Now she sends his schoolwork home, along with his homework, so we

have to fight with him all evening to get it done.

>

> They weren't willing to do testing, so I arranged it myself, and his diagnoses

are ADHD, anxiety, and " Aspergers - tentative. " I sent the report to the school

and I'm waiting to hear back.

>

> He used to like school but now doesn't, which is a shame, because he's bright

and academically inclined. He's on track academically. They seem to teach every

concept in Kindergarten by getting the kids to color something, cut it out, and

paste it onto something. I think his motor skills (plus a little perfectionism)

are making it really hard for him. Also he gets a bad mark for behavior pretty

much every day, for making noises, fidgeting, bumping other kids while lining up

in the hallway, etc. I'm not sure he cares any more about his behavior marks, I

think he just assumes he will get them.

>

> I talked to an advocate yesterday, and hoping that she can get us more from

the school, because they've been like a brick wall so far. We're also hoping to

find a diet that works for him, although it might be tricky as he has food

allergies (plus he's a picky eater, of course). We're hoping to avoid

medications as he's very manageable at home (except for the schoolwork issue)

and was doing fine in preschool also - the only problem is at school.

>

> More about us: my husband and I live in Tennessee. In addition to our son we

have two daughters age 3 and 4 who we adopted about 3 months ago, and a foster

daughter who is a toddler.

>

> I'm looking forward to learning a lot from this group.

>

--

***The Will Of God Will Never Take You ...

Where the Grace Of God Will Not Protect You***

January 17, 2011

,

Where in TN are you? Your story with your son sounds like ours. Keep pushing them and glad to hear you're seeking an advocate. I wish I had a long time ago. They should be doing a lot more for your son than sending all his work home. If they keep focusing on his behavior and making a big deal because he fidgets etc. then it will begin to be the mail focus. That is how it went for us. Obviously his behavior is affecting his ability to learn so they need to address this.

Hopefully your advocate will guide and help you. But definitely check out wrights-law like Carolyn mentioned and get yourself smarter on Special Ed law.

We've been in TN for 3 1/2 years now and been fighting the whole time. I hope you don't have as hard of time with your little guy. Good luck!ne

From: Carolyn Weisbard <ccweisbard@...>Subject: Re: ( ) New to the group Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 8:49 AM

, they aren't allowed to NOT do testing. You write a letter to the special ed director and tell him/her that you want your child to be testing for those disorders, some of the symptoms and issues and that you are hereby authorizing such testing. They are REQUIRED BY LAW to do a full individual evaluation within 60 days and then have an ARD with you. I would not wait one more day (well if you are off today you will have to:) to write that letter, they don't have a leg to stand on if they are breaking the law, and they know it. Also look at www.wrightslaw.com. There is a wealth of information on special ed there. He also sounds like he may have some sensory issues, A few mins ago I posted the best website for SPD, I would go to the questionairre and see if some of those things fit your son, that may be the trick to his eating issues.... I

would also go have a sit down conference with the teacher and figure out a better way than to have to do homework and schoolwork when he gets home, obviously there is an issue, and she needs to figure out something else besides sending it home!!!

Carolyn

From: W <jennywatson@...> Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 11:13:18 PMSubject: ( ) New to the group

Hi everyone,My son is 5 and was doing fine, just a little quirky. Then within a week of starting Kindergarten we were getting notes home from his teacher. Mainly that he often doesn't do schoolwork in the classroom, he just sits and fidgets, makes noises, etc. Now she sends his schoolwork home, along with his homework, so we have to fight with him all evening to get it done.They weren't willing to do testing, so I arranged it myself, and his diagnoses are ADHD, anxiety, and "Aspergers - tentative." I sent the report to the school and I'm waiting to hear back.He used to like school but now doesn't, which is a shame, because he's bright and academically inclined. He's on track academically. They seem to teach every concept in Kindergarten by getting the kids to color something, cut it out, and paste it onto something. I think his motor skills (plus a little perfectionism) are making it really hard for him. Also he gets a bad

mark for behavior pretty much every day, for making noises, fidgeting, bumping other kids while lining up in the hallway, etc. I'm not sure he cares any more about his behavior marks, I think he just assumes he will get them.I talked to an advocate yesterday, and hoping that she can get us more from the school, because they've been like a brick wall so far. We're also hoping to find a diet that works for him, although it might be tricky as he has food allergies (plus he's a picky eater, of course). We're hoping to avoid medications as he's very manageable at home (except for the schoolwork issue) and was doing fine in preschool also - the only problem is at school. More about us: my husband and I live in Tennessee. In addition to our son we have two daughters age 3 and 4 who we adopted about 3 months ago, and a foster daughter who is a toddler.I'm looking forward to learning a lot from this

group.

January 17, 2011

Yes EPI's can and do cuse Arachnoiditis. Janice

New to the Group

>

> *Hi,

>

> My name is , and I'm new here. I've been dealing with back problems

> for

>

> 11 years now. This is a recap of what I have been up to:

>

> *

>

> - *1999 sciatica left leg*

>

> - *1999 herniated disc L5-S1*

>

> - *2000 ruptured disc; partial discectomy*

>

> - *2002 spinal fusion L5-S1*

>

> - *bursitis left hip*

>

> - *bursitis right hip*

>

> - *2009 EMG showed radidiculopathy L5-S1*

>

> - *2009- present pain doctor*

>

> - *2010 spinal cord stimulator trial; removed after one week. Hated it..

>

> Could not stand constant annoying sensation and feeling of being hooked

> up.

>

> *

>

> *That's pretty much where I stand right now, but am weaning off morphine

>

> with doctor help. Look fwd. to meeting people, and hopefully find new ways

>

> of treating my problems.

>

> Thanks for letting me join.

>

> OH

>

> *

>

January 20, 2011

my son chews too, and when he was mainstreamed in a classroom, he was the only child in the entire school that was allowed to chew gum. it was even on his iep! it really helped him staying calm, his pencils didnt get chewed up anymore and he didnt make any odd noises to disturb the other kids.deborah Sycamore Art StudiosSycamore Art SchoolDeborah GustlinGraphic & Web DesignArt classes for K-12www.sycamoreartstudios.comwww.sycamoreartschool.comHome: 408-710-0892 Business: 408-710-6070From: "suzmarkwood@..." <suzmarkwood@...>To:

Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 5:30:04 AMSubject: Re: ( ) new to the group

Was there something that got your son to stop chewing or you think he just grew out of it? My son still chews a lot and he just turned 11. When I picked him up yesterday from school his sleeve was sopping wet, like you said. It's especially bad when he's on the computer.SuzanneSent on the SprintÂ® Now Network from my BlackBerryÂ®From: susanne hansen <s_hansen34@...>

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Subject: Re: ( ) new to the group

I'll definitely check into it. My son likes to chew on things. His pens, pencils, his shirt collar or sleeve, or eat paper. He use to chew on his sleeve until it was sopping wet. He's not so bad anymore. He is always getting into trouble for chewing in school. He also has this blanket that he has to have everywhere we go. He calls it his "blanky". He would honestly take it to school if we let him even thought he is 13!! He even tries to take it outside when he goes out to his friend's.

I think a lot of his disruptive behavior in school has to do with sensory issues. He is always fidgeting, tapping, humming, blurting out random words, getting up and walking around. He gets sent to the office daily for these things. We have to figure out what will help. The school did an FBA which was a joke because it didn't address any of this.

Anyway, I'm going on and on again. Sorry, I tend to do that. :)ne>>> From: miss_beehavin_2000 <miss_beehavin_2000@...>> Subject: ( ) new to the group> > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 3:49 PM>>>>> Hi,>> I have an 8 year old recently diagnosed with aspergers. Honestly, I've known> he was on the spectrum somewhere since about the age of two, but I didn't> want to deal with it (some for of denial).. especially since I am

an O.T.>> He is off the charts gifted in most area with the execption of motor skills.> The public school district refused any services in kinder and 1st other than> a 504 plan as he was gifted (even though he was sitting under his desk, not> making friends, spinning and licking objects during class time). He's now in> a hybird 1/2 montesorri 1/2 homeschool (through a charter company) doing> well with medication and no services.>> It's been a long road and I never know what's next around the corner. But> honestly. I wouldn't take the asperger's out of my son nor would he want it> gone. As is his passion for learning is far beyond a typical child. His> passion for reading, building, creating, tinkering, exploring and so on..> The austism has created both a mind that requires special care and a mind> that is brilliant and independent.>>

Sometimes I wonder if I should have fought the school district more for> services as I read how people are gettings "social skills" groups and 1:1> services.. but.. I don't know. We just started pre algebra at home and we> are starting a social skills group with my insurance next week. I am> confused as maybe he could be getting more. When happens when he ages out of> the montessori?>> Initally what made him perform in school (he refused all handwriting and> most work) was concerta (like a miracle). After a year of performing well, I> took him off and put him on prozac (as he was obssessed with wiping spots> off of floors in public ). Prozac seems to be his saving grace. He has> friends now, he laughs, engages.. a new kid.>> So that is my story. I'm just here for sharing. I would love to meet anyone> near Lake Elsinore, CA with a son near my

age.>> THanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

January 20, 2011

We're a "gum is allowed" family, here, too!!!!!

Robin

"Normal is just

a cycle

on a washing machine.....">>> From: miss_beehavin_2000 <miss_beehavin_2000@...>> Subject: ( ) new to the group> > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 3:49 PM>>>>> Hi,>> I have an 8 year old recently diagnosed with aspergers. Honestly, I've known> he was on the spectrum somewhere since about the age of two, but I didn't> want to deal with it (some for of denial).. especially since I am an O.T.>> He is off the charts gifted in most area with the execption of motor skills.> The public school district refused any services in kinder and 1st other than> a 504 plan as he was gifted (even though he was sitting under his desk, not> making friends, spinning and licking objects during class time). He's now

in> a hybird 1/2 montesorri 1/2 homeschool (through a charter company) doing> well with medication and no services.>> It's been a long road and I never know what's next around the corner. But> honestly. I wouldn't take the asperger's out of my son nor would he want it> gone. As is his passion for learning is far beyond a typical child. His> passion for reading, building, creating, tinkering, exploring and so on..> The austism has created both a mind that requires special care and a mind> that is brilliant and independent.>> Sometimes I wonder if I should have fought the school district more for> services as I read how people are gettings "social skills" groups and 1:1> services.. but.. I don't know. We just started pre algebra at home and we> are starting a social skills group with my insurance next week. I am> confused as maybe he could be getting

more. When happens when he ages out of> the montessori?>> Initally what made him perform in school (he refused all handwriting and> most work) was concerta (like a miracle). After a year of performing well, I> took him off and put him on prozac (as he was obssessed with wiping spots> off of floors in public ). Prozac seems to be his saving grace. He has> friends now, he laughs, engages.. a new kid.>> So that is my story. I'm just here for sharing. I would love to meet anyone> near Lake Elsinore, CA with a son near my age.>> THanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

January 20, 2011

Oh ,

Does he have a dx? How horrible.......

Robin

"Normal is just

a cycle

on a washing machine.....">>> From: miss_beehavin_2000 <miss_beehavin_2000@...>> Subject: ( ) new to the group> > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 3:49 PM>>>>> Hi,>> I have an 8 year old recently diagnosed with aspergers. Honestly, I've known> he was on the spectrum somewhere since about the age of two, but I didn't> want to deal with it (some for of denial).. especially since I am an O.T.>> He is off the charts gifted in most area with the execption of motor skills.> The public school district refused any services in kinder and 1st other than> a 504 plan as he was gifted (even though he was sitting under his desk, not> making friends, spinning and licking objects during class time). He's now

in> a hybird 1/2 montesorri 1/2 homeschool (through a charter company) doing> well with medication and no services.>> It's been a long road and I never know what's next around the corner. But> honestly. I wouldn't take the asperger's out of my son nor would he want it> gone. As is his passion for learning is far beyond a typical child. His> passion for reading, building, creating, tinkering, exploring and so on..> The austism has created both a mind that requires special care and a mind> that is brilliant and independent.>> Sometimes I wonder if I should have fought the school district more for> services as I read how people are gettings "social skills" groups and 1:1> services.. but.. I don't know. We just started pre algebra at home and we> are starting a social skills group with my insurance next week. I am> confused as maybe he could be getting

more. When happens when he ages out of> the montessori?>> Initally what made him perform in school (he refused all handwriting and> most work) was concerta (like a miracle). After a year of performing well, I> took him off and put him on prozac (as he was obssessed with wiping spots> off of floors in public ). Prozac seems to be his saving grace. He has> friends now, he laughs, engages.. a new kid.>> So that is my story. I'm just here for sharing. I would love to meet anyone> near Lake Elsinore, CA with a son near my age.>> THanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

January 21, 2011

Just wondering what happens at the county special ed department?? I haven't heard of this before....

Carolyn

From: <jennywatson@...> Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 9:21:15 PMSubject: Re: ( ) new to the group

We just got the dx over the Christmas break. The school sent the report to the county special ed dept for review. I think they have 40 school days or whatever to do that. Then they'll set up the IEP. We realized there was a problem in late August, but it's taken this long to get the dx. My son's getting pretty indifferent to the discipline points as he averages one each day. I hope it will help with getting him services as he's on track academically. Or maybe they're trying to train him to be a juvenile delinquent - I think there's a shortage of those in this area : ) >>> From: miss_beehavin_2000 <miss_beehavin_2000@...>> Subject: ( ) new to the group> > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 3:49 PM>>>>> Hi,>> I have an 8 year old recently diagnosed with aspergers. Honestly, I've known> he was on the spectrum somewhere since about the age of two, but I didn't> want to deal with it (some for of denial).. especially since I am an O.T.>> He is off the charts gifted in most area with the execption of motor skills.> The public school district refused any services in kinder and 1st other than> a 504 plan as he was gifted (even though he was sitting under his desk, not> making friends, spinning and licking objects during class time). He's now

in> a hybird 1/2 montesorri 1/2 homeschool (through a charter company) doing> well with medication and no services.>> It's been a long road and I never know what's next around the corner. But> honestly. I wouldn't take the asperger's out of my son nor would he want it> gone. As is his passion for learning is far beyond a typical child. His> passion for reading, building, creating, tinkering, exploring and so on..> The austism has created both a mind that requires special care and a mind> that is brilliant and independent.>> Sometimes I wonder if I should have fought the school district more for> services as I read how people are gettings "social skills" groups and 1:1> services.. but.. I don't know. We just started pre algebra at home and we> are starting a social skills group with my insurance next week. I am> confused as maybe he could be getting

more. When happens when he ages out of> the montessori?>> Initally what made him perform in school (he refused all handwriting and> most work) was concerta (like a miracle). After a year of performing well, I> took him off and put him on prozac (as he was obssessed with wiping spots> off of floors in public ). Prozac seems to be his saving grace. He has> friends now, he laughs, engages.. a new kid.>> So that is my story. I'm just here for sharing. I would love to meet anyone> near Lake Elsinore, CA with a son near my age.>> THanks

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

January 21, 2011

Do you think after they review the report that they will lighten up with the noises and the punishment?

Do the teachers know that he has a dx and that it's just up for review?

Ugh..........so basically, they KNOW that his noises could be/are a part of his issues?

Stay strong. Hugs.

Robin

"Normal is just

a cycle

on a washing machine.....">>> From: miss_beehavin_2000 <miss_beehavin_2000@...>> Subject: ( ) new to the group> > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 3:49 PM>>>>> Hi,>> I have an 8 year old recently diagnosed with aspergers. Honestly, I've known> he was on the spectrum somewhere since about the age of two, but I didn't> want to deal with it (some for of denial).. especially since I am an O.T.>> He is off the charts gifted in most area with the execption of motor skills.> The public school district refused any services in kinder and 1st other than> a 504 plan as he was gifted (even though he was sitting under his desk, not> making friends, spinning and licking objects during class time). He's now

in> a hybird 1/2 montesorri 1/2 homeschool (through a charter company) doing> well with medication and no services.>> It's been a long road and I never know what's next around the corner. But> honestly. I wouldn't take the asperger's out of my son nor would he want it> gone. As is his passion for learning is far beyond a typical child. His> passion for reading, building, creating, tinkering, exploring and so on..> The austism has created both a mind that requires special care and a mind> that is brilliant and independent.>> Sometimes I wonder if I should have fought the school district more for> services as I read how people are gettings "social skills" groups and 1:1> services.. but.. I don't know. We just started pre algebra at home and we> are starting a social skills group with my insurance next week. I am> confused as maybe he could be getting

more. When happens when he ages out of> the montessori?>> Initally what made him perform in school (he refused all handwriting and> most work) was concerta (like a miracle). After a year of performing well, I> took him off and put him on prozac (as he was obssessed with wiping spots> off of floors in public ). Prozac seems to be his saving grace. He has> friends now, he laughs, engages.. a new kid.>> So that is my story. I'm just here for sharing. I would love to meet anyone> near Lake Elsinore, CA with a son near my age.>> THanks

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

February 27, 2011

Hi HannahM and Welcome,

I am so sorry you have so much wrong but your not going on TRT is going to keep

you feeling like crap and it's taking time off the back of your life.

With the right Dr. doing the right meds your going to feel like a new person.

We have men here that had cancer that are on TRT and doing great.

http://men.webmd.com/news/20070605/low-testosterone-may-up-male-mortality?ecd=wn\

l_men_072407

Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG

Update see of you can get your Dr. to work with Dr. over the phone to test

and treat you he is about the best male Hormone Dr. in the world men fly into

see him from all over the world. He only needs to see you once to treat you by

Email or Phone.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: HannahM <hannahsometime@...>

> Subject: new to the group

>

> Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 8:25 AM

>

> Hello Everyone

>

> I'm new to this group and have had

> hypogonadism my whole life. I'm also intersex plus

> transgender. Having said all this I married with children

> and have no regrets of who I am, but the down side of all

> this has been my health. My right undescend testis turned to

> cancer and after surgery it was found to be an Ovary/testis.

> It turn out I had Ovarian cancer. In addition I had several

> very large Teratoma, these were in fact babies. They had

> arms, skin, eyes, ect. In addition the left testis never

> matured to full size or my penis.

> Over the years my health has suffered

> because of very low testosterone levels and at the same time

> I have no desire to take testorterone suppliments.

>

> D/H

>

> ------------------------------------

>

February 27, 2011

A warm welcome to the group from the UK.Â This is a really great and

informative

group and the people are very approachable so please make yourself at home.

Take care

Ade

________________________________

From: HannahM <hannahsometime@...>

Sent: Sunday, 27 February, 2011 13:25:21

Subject: new to the group

Â

Hello Everyone

I'm new to this group and have had hypogonadism my whole life. I'm also intersex

plus transgender. Having said all this I married with children and have no

regrets of who I am, but the down side of all this has been my health. My right

undescend testis turned to cancer and after surgery it was found to be an

Ovary/testis. It turn out I had Ovarian cancer. In addition I had several very

large Teratoma, these were in fact babies. They had arms, skin, eyes, ect. In

addition the left testis never matured to full size or my penis.

Over the years my health has suffered because of very low testosterone levels

and at the same time I have no desire to take testorterone suppliments.

D/H

February 27, 2011

Welcome this online family! I am sorry to read of your health concerns however

its good to read you have no problems in who you are with children. I take it

you are transitng from M to F? Or did I read incorrectly? May I ask, why you

have no desire to take TRT?

new to the group

Hello Everyone

I'm new to this group and have had hypogonadism my whole life. I'm also

intersex plus transgender. Having said all this I married with children and have

no regrets of who I am, but the down side of all this has been my health. My

right undescend testis turned to cancer and after surgery it was found to be an

Ovary/testis. It turn out I had Ovarian cancer. In addition I had several very

large Teratoma, these were in fact babies. They had arms, skin, eyes, ect. In

addition the left testis never matured to full size or my penis.

Over the years my health has suffered because of very low testosterone levels

and at the same time I have no desire to take testorterone suppliments.

D/H

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February 28, 2011

I had a doctor offer me testosterone to make me more manly. God: I cannot

imagine what that even is. In my mind it would be the same as giving

testosterone to my wife. I'm intersex in spirit and mind, besides I'm

transgender. The problem is I love my wife very much and have no desire to harm

her in any way, so H feminization is out of the question.

But clearly my health is bad because of my chronic low T levels. Three years ago

I had 4-by passes and now diabetic, plus the cancer and also my weak bones has

me just tired.

The good thing about all my issues is my heart didn't suffer damage, so I'm OK,

but I live on pills.

I have children because I'm not attracted to men. I did not start puberty until

I was out of HS and the period of time I was sexually active was strange to me.

I was repealed and attracted at the same time, I was in the wrong body. None you

can understand this issue but for people like me it is very clear who we are.

Please realize I have a clear picture of life and I do realize that I'm just a

small percentage of the population. But we amount to about 1-3% of the world

population and I'm sure many people like me are in this group.

Over all I can honestly say I'm loved, I can love.

H/D

________________________________

From: " uu1845@... " <uu1845@...>

Sent: Mon, February 28, 2011 1:58:19 AM

Subject: RE: new to the group