anxiety

[Guest guest]

Experimental Treatment of CFS/FM/etc*****Original message*****

Also, Valerian.

For nighttime: benadryl, although it can dehydrate you. Otherwise, it makes you

feel calm and cozy and gives you good dreams.

People also swear by Resue Remedy.

Something I have not tried is Rescue Remedy, but people swear by it.

I'm one of those people who would swear by it :-)

I have used Rescue Remedy on occasion for a long time (years before I came down

with CFS/ME) and I find it to be fantastic for severe anxiety. I have a small

bottle in my handbag so it is with me whenever I might need it. Usual dosage is

3 or 4 drops under the tongue as needed. You can't overdose on it so it's

totally safe to take as often as you need to. Just helps to keep you calm and

stop the anxiety level from peaking (read meltdown or tears as per your

tendency). You can usually get it at health food or Vitamin shops and it has

recently even been released in a convenient spay bottle - perfect in your

handbag for out and about (even small enough to get through airport security

regulations). In Australia there has recently been a new variety released called

" Rescue Remedy Sleep " which includes White Chestnut to specifically help with

sleep problems. I'd say definitely give it a try - as long as you tolerate the

alcohol solution ok then it can be a great (and immediate) calmative for extreme

anxiety. I often use it if I have to go into town (with all the crowds and

noise) and frequently take a dose just before going in to see my doctor - as

that is always a stressful/anxious time.

Hope this helps; cheers

Lake

lake@...

[Guest guest]

Hi

If you have?ANXIETY - you should try the gupta programme alongside relaxation

CDS, massages, chiropractor to realign your body neck and shoulders.

Regards

CS

Re: Anxiety

Experimental Treatment of CFS/FM/etc*****Original message*****

Also, Valerian.

For nighttime: benadryl, although it can dehydrate you. Otherwise, it makes you

feel calm and cozy and gives you good dreams.

People also swear by Resue Remedy.

Something I have not tried is Rescue Remedy, but people swear by it.

I'm one of those people who would swear by it :-)

I have used Rescue Remedy on occasion for a long time (years before I came down

with CFS/ME) and I find it to be fantastic for severe anxiety. I have a small

bottle in my handbag so it is with me whenever I might need it. Usual dosage is

3 or 4 drops under the tongue as needed. You can't overdose on it so it's

totally safe to take as often as you need to. Just helps to keep you calm and

stop the anxiety level from peaking (read meltdown or tears as per your

tendency). You can usually get it at health food or Vitamin shops and it has

recently even been released in a convenient spay bottle - perfect in your

handbag for out and about (even small enough to get through airport security

regulations). In Australia there has recently been a new variety released called

" Rescue Remedy Sleep " which includes White Chestnut to specifically help with

sleep problems. I'd say definitely give it a try - as long as you tolerate the

alcohol solution ok then it can be a great (and immediate) calmative for extreme

anxiety. I often use it if I have to go into town (with all the crowds and

noise) and frequently take a dose just before going in to see my doctor - as

that is always a stressful/anxious time.

Hope this helps; cheers

Lake

lake@...

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I am fairly new to the group but have been faithfully reading all the posts.

I am honestly not sure if I have a candida issue. I have taken the self tests

and I am right in the middle of " maybe " LOL.

+++Hi Tina. Welcome to our group. Even if you don't have candida, but you have

health problems and issues, this program will help you. The reason it helps

regain health is because it is designed to build up the immune system, mainly

with " proper nutrients " the body needs so it can heal itself naturally.

>

> I had developed such bad anxiety over the past few years. Dr.'s put me on

meds and it was AWFUL! I'd rather have anxiety 24x7 than take those meds again.

I was a walking zomby. To add to the mix ~ I quit smoking last year after 20

years (I am 41)... It wasn't that hard. It was effects that my body has now

taken on because of the NON smoking.

+++This program will help with anxiety and depression too. Good for you for

stopping smoking.

>

> I believe that our bodies go through a lot and I believe in natural healing

and treatments. I workout every day and I am pretty active with 3 kids. I now

have to watch everything that goes into my mouth. I used to say " I eat to live

NOT live to eat " .. I crave carbs now more than anything. I love them!

+++That's good you believe in natural healing and treatments. The fact that you

crave carbs is a good sign you do have candida.

>

> So as you can see I am trying to figure things out. Your thoughts and

suggestions are sooooo helpful and appreciate.

+++The best place to start is by reading about candida, and what you need to do

and why - these 2 articles are most important:

1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

For encouragement see these Success Stories by members of this group:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

I have always been a huge advocate that physical problems in the body i.e.

vitamin/mineral deficiencies, abnormalities CAUSE MENTAL ISSUES!

get rid of candida, heavy metals, get labwork done (hair mineral analysis is

superior for heavy metal testing, 24 hr urinary cortisol levels checked,

**salivary cortisol levels, tested 3-4 times throughout the day** (gold

standard).

you CAN defeat this the natural way dont fall for prescription drugs i went

through 4 different anti anxiety medications...and Im still getting over this.

YOUR BODY IS NOT DEFICIENT IN PAXIL OR KLONOPIN OR XANAX! WAKE UP PPL!

see a naturopath asap he or she will help you get through this

[Guest guest]

>

> I have always been a huge advocate that physical problems in the body i.e.

vitamin/mineral deficiencies, abnormalities CAUSE MENTAL ISSUES!

>

> get rid of candida, heavy metals, get labwork done (hair mineral analysis is

superior for heavy metal testing, 24 hr urinary cortisol levels checked,

**salivary cortisol levels, tested 3-4 times throughout the day** (gold

standard).

+++Hi there. What is your name please? Please do not make such recommendations

on my Group. My program naturally chelates out all heavy metals, and labwork

doesn't help anyone, since our bodies are smart enough to balance out all of its

nutrient levels just by giving it what it needs to do its job, which is mainly

" proper nutrients. "

Thank you, Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I too have noticed some anxiety while on this program. It is kind of new for

me, and just figure it is part of the process. I like to think of it as the bad

stuff coming out, even emotionally.

Some things that help me are warm epsom salt baths, gentle yoga, deep breathing.

Putting a drop of lavendar oil on a lightbulb or using and essential oil

diffuser sometimes helps too.

The cravings can be tough. For me, it just took some time. Just tell yourself

when you get those cravings that it is the yeast starving. That thought may

help you get through them.

Blessings!

Marcie

>

> hi everyone,

> As I continue on the diet I am finding that my anxiety is pretty severe. My

cravings also.

[Guest guest]

>

> hi everyone,

> As I continue on the diet I am finding that my anxiety is pretty severe. My

cravings also. I find I fall back into eating nuts now and again because of the

cravings and anxiety.

>

> I guess I just keep plugging forward and eventually it will even out?

> Have others had this back and forth progress but then it will even out?

>

> I am trying the vitamin C for the cravings. Not sure how to help the anxiety.

+++Hi . You can search any word on my website, like anxiety, and get

appropriate articles. There's one for Anxiety & Depression - the Search is

Google, up in the top-right corner.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

thanks for responding. Bee I will do that search, Marcie and April, glad to

know I'm not alone.

April, I have a 5 yr old so I know what you mean about feeling badly when i

don't feel well. sometimes I snap at her and then i feel guilty.

> >

> > hi everyone,

> > As I continue on the diet I am finding that my anxiety is pretty severe. My

cravings also.

>

[Guest guest]

I had this problem for yrs. It started after I went on TRT but I later found out

it was not the Testosterone doing this. Men on TRT or with low T can have high

levels of Estraidol and I suffered from Panic problem for yrs and ED and the

loss of my sex life.

When I heard about high levels of Estradiol in men and tested this I was very

high. When I took Arimidex to get this down I got my morning wood back and now

more ED problems and my Panic Attacks stopped.

You need to test this I do this test at Quest labs Estradiol Sensitive #4021 the

range is 13 to 54 pg/ml best to be at 20. Today I gage my Estradiol levels by

my night time and morning wood.

On Arimidex one can go down to low this will kill you wood but not cause Panic

Attacks. It's when I start going to high I have them again.

===================================================

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Shaun <shaunskel@...>

> Subject: Anxiety

>

> Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 11:01 AM

> Hi One of the first things that sent

> me to the doctor was I developed some major anxiety and had

> a few panic attacks. Is this a sign of low t? And will they

> clear up with treatment? I've read a little about trt making

> it worse in some men. Any help appreciated.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

What Phil said.

Also, cortisol, too high OR too low can cause anxiety.

>

> Hi One of the first things that sent me to the doctor was I developed some

major anxiety and had a few panic attacks. Is this a sign of low t? And will

they clear up with treatment? I've read a little about trt making it worse in

some men. Any help appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

My son has very high anxiety in terms of what I believe it to be. The only anxiety I know is what we as adults feel. Does anxiety show differently in young children?He constantly worries, like all day. He'll go to bed thinking about "X" and the first thing out of his mouth when he wakes is "X". Not skipping a beat. We have to be careful not to tell him things to far in advance. We learned the hard way.He complains of tummy aches every morning before school to where he's dry heaving. On weekends, the symptoms of "butterflies" go away unless he has a t-ball game.He cries before school and at school and we have to stay there until class begins He used to visably tremble, usually before school. I've helped in the classroom

and continue to do so every other week and he seems fine once class gets going. I don't notice anything out of the ordinary that would be causing this behavior in the mornings. His teacher is awesome, she really likes my son and he does really, really well in school as far as academics. On the playground, he kind of sticks to himself. It is kindergarten so I understand the playing together thing is developing at about this age.Any and all comments are appreciated!

[Guest guest]

I would speak to his doctor, therapist or psychiatrist about this. I know my son has high anxiety too! I think the whole social scene is so overwhelming to them, the unknown. Fear of change, not knowing...going to school is taking them out of their comfort zone. Once there and in the classroom they can settle in and feel comfortable. As you said he has a great teacher and all. I know my son who is 15 is like that too. In 3rd grade we could not get him to school at all for a couple of days. My son complains of stomach aches and such. It is all anxiety ...anxiety of what is going to happen, what will the day be like, etc. School is alot for our children.

This is my thought...have his school guidance counselor work with him, get him some outside help such as therapy to learn to deal with the anxiety. I think if you start with him early it will help him a lot. I wish I had with my son. And, as school progresses the anxiety can either decrease or increase. Read as much as you can and work with him now as he is young. Get him to try new situations and new things.

These are my thoughts...you as a parent know best.

j

"In the Midst of Difficulty lies Opportunity" Albert Einstein

Success is not measured by one's position but by the obstacles one has overcome to obtain that position

From: Abatangelo <stephanie.abatangelo@...> Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 6:22:00 PMSubject: ( ) anxiety

My son has very high anxiety in terms of what I believe it to be. The only anxiety I know is what we as adults feel. Does anxiety show differently in young children?He constantly worries, like all day. He'll go to bed thinking about "X" and the first thing out of his mouth when he wakes is "X". Not skipping a beat. We have to be careful not to tell him things to far in advance. We learned the hard way.He complains of tummy aches every morning before school to where he's dry heaving. On weekends, the symptoms of "butterflies" go away unless he has a t-ball game.He cries before school and at school and we have to stay there until class begins He used to visably tremble, usually before school. I've helped in the classroom and continue to do so every other week and he seems fine once class gets going. I don't notice anything out of the ordinary that would be causing this

behavior in the mornings. His teacher is awesome, she really likes my son and he does really, really well in school as far as academics. On the playground, he kind of sticks to himself. It is kindergarten so I understand the playing together thing is developing at about this age.Any and all comments are appreciated!

[Guest guest]

My child is 8 and has terrible anxiety. Everything outside of his family is high anxiety; school is terrible. About a month ago, i put him on Prozac, I can tell a difference in homework. Before this med, he could not tell me a answer to a math problem, scared of getting it wrong. Now he can spit it out without a problem. I was thinking he didnt know his multiplication problems; we were wrong, he was to scared to answer them. this is the only med he is on; meds (stimulants) make him go hay wire.....From: rushen janice <jrushen@...> Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 8:04:40 AMSubject: Re: ( ) anxiety

I would speak to his doctor, therapist or psychiatrist about this. I know my son has high anxiety too! I think the whole social scene is so overwhelming to them, the unknown. Fear of change, not knowing...going to school is taking them out of their comfort zone. Once there and in the classroom they can settle in and feel comfortable. As you said he has a great teacher and all. I know my son who is 15 is like that too. In 3rd grade we could not get him to school at all for a couple of days. My son complains of stomach aches and such. It is all anxiety ...anxiety of what is going to happen, what will the day be like, etc. School is alot for our children.

This is my thought...have his school guidance counselor work with him, get him some outside help such as therapy to learn to deal with the anxiety. I think if you start with him early it will help him a lot. I wish I had with my son. And, as school progresses the anxiety can either decrease or increase. Read as much as you can and work with him now as he is young. Get him to try new situations and new things.

These are my thoughts...you as a parent know best.

j

"In the Midst of Difficulty lies Opportunity" Albert Einstein

Success is not measured by one's position but by the obstacles one has overcome to obtain that position

From: Abatangelo <stephanie.abatangelo@...> Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 6:22:00 PMSubject: ( ) anxiety

My son has very high anxiety in terms of what I believe it to be. The only anxiety I know is what we as adults feel. Does anxiety show differently in young children?He constantly worries, like all day. He'll go to bed thinking about "X" and the first thing out of his mouth when he wakes is "X". Not skipping a beat. We have to be careful not to tell him things to far in advance. We learned the hard way.He complains of tummy aches every morning before school to where he's dry heaving. On weekends, the symptoms of "butterflies" go away unless he has a t-ball game.He cries before school and at school and we have to stay there until class begins He used to visably tremble, usually before school. I've helped in the classroom and continue to do so every other week and he seems fine once class gets going. I don't notice anything out of the ordinary that would be causing this

behavior in the mornings. His teacher is awesome, she really likes my son and he does really, really well in school as far as academics. On the playground, he kind of sticks to himself. It is kindergarten so I understand the playing together thing is developing at about this age.Any and all comments are appreciated!

[Guest guest]

If I knew then what I know now, I would have home schooled my daughter at the first sign of these things. She reacted this way and the kids made fun of her and how wierd she was and so they picked on her and picked on her until now she just got tested for self esteem and the doctor said he has never seen a score so low. She hates herself and can not make friends or feel good about anything she does.

I now see that some people just take a lot longer to be comfortable around other people, and I would have given her more time to catch up with the other kids before I left there, alone to fend for herself everyday.

Big hugs to you and your child,

From: Abatangelo <stephanie.abatangelo@...>Subject: ( ) anxiety Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 6:22 PM

My son has very high anxiety in terms of what I believe it to be. The only anxiety I know is what we as adults feel. Does anxiety show differently in young children?He constantly worries, like all day. He'll go to bed thinking about "X" and the first thing out of his mouth when he wakes is "X". Not skipping a beat. We have to be careful not to tell him things to far in advance. We learned the hard way.He complains of tummy aches every morning before school to where he's dry heaving. On weekends, the symptoms of "butterflies" go away unless he has a t-ball game.He cries before school and at school and we have to stay there until class begins He used to visably tremble, usually before school. I've helped in the classroom and continue to do so every other week and he seems fine once class gets going. I don't notice anything out of the ordinary that would be causing this

behavior in the mornings. His teacher is awesome, she really likes my son and he does really, really well in school as far as academics. On the playground, he kind of sticks to himself. It is kindergarten so I understand the playing together thing is developing at about this age.Any and all comments are appreciated!

[Guest guest]

Sounds like detox to me. Try lowering the dosage, or taking whatever it is

that's bothering you every other day. I do detox baths twice a week, and

sometimes they really wire me. NOT a good nighttime experience!

>

> I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when trying

the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps? Any

idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the

anxiety?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

genetic polymorphisms in your methylation could have something to do with it.

Methylation is a very complex chemical process that occurs in every cell. Dr Amy

Yasko is the guru in this area, however if you have cfs go over onto the

cfs_yasko group and learn about its role in glutathione depletion to name one of

its functions.

crusaderD

>

> I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when trying

the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps? Any

idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the

anxiety?

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when trying

the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps? Any

idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the

anxiety?

> >

>

Thanks for the advice.

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, I can't find the original email to respond to this.

The heart palpitations are not from too much detox, it's from the TYPE of detox

that is putting a strain on your adrenals and depleting cortisol. Hence the

palpitations.

I have the CBS mutation and when I do too much that then backs up the sulfur

pathway, this depletes cortisol (pardon me, I don't have a great understanding

of all this, but do know that this happens as a sure thing). I get weak attacks

combined with palpitations.

I have starting taking Cortef to control these crashes and it has made a HUGE

difference so far. No more palpitations.

________________________________

From: P N <cb122@...>

Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 8:02 AM

Subject: Re: anxiety

 

> >

> > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when trying

the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps? Any

idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the

anxiety?

> >

>

Thanks for the advice.

[Guest guest]

Thank you, , for that! I have the CBS issue, and didn't put together that

my palps have improved since starting Cortef! Can't say much about the crashes

at this point, but the detox is not so unsettling.

> > >

> > > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when

trying the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps?

Any idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the

anxiety?

> > >

> >

>

> Thanks for the advice.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I am cbs plus minus also

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Re: anxiety

Thank you, , for that! I have the CBS issue, and didn't put together that

my palps have improved since starting Cortef! Can't say much about the crashes

at this point, but the detox is not so unsettling.

> > >

> > > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when

trying the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps?

Any idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the

anxiety?

> > >

> >

>

> Thanks for the advice.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's exactly how I've been feeling, but someone on another group mentioned if

we are CBS++ it's important to NOT take the methyl form of B-12. I checked mine

and, sure enough, my doctor had me on the methyl form of it.

I stopped it and also stopped a B complex supplement I was on that had it and

the anxiety reduced quite a bit.

When I checked the list of supplements/vitamins Yasko advises, the methyl form

was not listed on mine (for what it's worth).

Hope this helps ...

LaVerne

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I read someone mention they felt like theyd had a load of coffee when

trying the supplements - I get the exact same. Loads more anxiety on the supps?

Any idea why? Is this part of detox? Is there anything we can do to limit the

anxiety?

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > Thanks for the advice.

> >

> >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

u sure it's anxiety? could it be excitoxicity? that seems to be another thing

that increases on this protocol..

I got to say I think we can all use methyl B12 eventually..u just have to be

ready for the detox..if that's where it takes you.

Didn't Rich just post a study ..think it was an animal study..showing that

hydroxy cannot be converted to methyl in the presence of oxidative stress?

It's on Phoenix Rising.

[Guest guest]

It could be? What's the main differences? And the cure while on protocol?

Thanks

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Re: anxiety

u sure it's anxiety? could it be excitoxicity? that seems to be another thing

that increases on this protocol..

I got to say I think we can all use methyl B12 eventually..u just have to be

ready for the detox..if that's where it takes you.

Didn't Rich just post a study ..think it was an animal study..showing that

hydroxy cannot be converted to methyl in the presence of oxidative stress?

It's on Phoenix Rising.