Tooth decay

[Guest guest]

Regarding the discussion on tooth decay: Dr Sherry says in her book

" Tired or Toxic? " that a shortage of magnesium is linked to tooth decay.

Can anyone comment on the biochemistry of this. I'm getting new caries at

age 50 and it sure isn't from a sugar diet.

Greg

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Dear Greg,

Bacteria are the cause of tooth decay.

Rinse with 3% H2O2 after each brushing.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

Re: tooth decay

> Regarding the discussion on tooth decay: Dr Sherry says in her

book

> " Tired or Toxic? " that a shortage of magnesium is linked to tooth decay.

> Can anyone comment on the biochemistry of this. I'm getting new caries at

> age 50 and it sure isn't from a sugar diet.

>

> Greg

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Dear Saul,

I would do this except that Dr. says if you have metal

fillings, H2O2 in the mouth is not a good idea. Some sort of reaction

or releasing metals.

Do you have an opinion on this?

>

>

>Bacteria are the cause of tooth decay.

>Rinse with 3% H2O2 after each brushing.

>

>Best of Health!

>Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

>

[Guest guest]

try twinlab cell-mins. or magnesium glycinate. also i have read that the

outer enamel is made largely of phosphorous, so eating some phosporous rich

foods might help. and phosphorous palys an important role in calcium

matabolism. i friend of mine started getting tooth problems while he was

cleansing and working on getting rid of candida. i'm assuming that cleansing

puts a huge stress on the body which requires extra mineralization among many

things. i have noticed that my teeth have gotten alot stronger since taking

the cell-mins. they got stronger when i was on ther meat only diet too, but

that was too difficult for me to maintain.

one problem i do have is occasional bleeding gums though. if anyone has

ideas on this. i've heard it can be related to coq10 or possibly not eating

enough raw veggies.

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i've heard that too, but i take c every day

[Guest guest]

Saul and group:

> >Bacteria are the cause of tooth decay.

> >Rinse with 3% H2O2 after each brushing.

> >

> >Best of Health!

> >Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LOH

====== Yes, bacteria are the outer cause of tooth decay, but as Dr Weston

Price revealed in his research into the link between nutrution and dental

health, altered biochemistry due to dietary insufficiency weakens the enamel

and thus allows the bacteria to do the damage.

I've often remarked that dogs and cats rarely get dental caries. Why? They

are eating an optimum diet (if of good quality dog or cat food - another

discussion) for their needs, and therefore have strong teeth that resist

bacterian, and they don't even brush or floss! *s

Dr Bircher-Benner proven through decades of clinical experience that dental

caries and gum disease were among the first signs of poor nutrition.

So, I come back to my original question regarding Dr ' and the

biochemical link between magnesium and tooth decay. I presume Mg is needed

to properly assimilate Ca and have it deposited where it's needed in the

body to strengthen and repair teeth and bone.

Greg

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> one problem i do have is occasional bleeding gums though. if anyone

has

> ideas on this. i've heard it can be related to coq10 or possibly not

eating

> enough raw veggies.

I've heard that it is a Vitamin C deficiency...

Patty

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You might not take enough, or the right kind. Although ester c is supposed to

be superior to ascorbic acid, I find that it does not work for me for the

bleeding gums thing. The cheaper ascorbic stuff does. Also, sometimes

bioflavinoids will work when plan c doesn't. Around 3000 mgs a day.

I also just started using Microbrite by RBC. It is their microhydron based

tooth powder. After just a few days on it my teeth are much whiter and my gums

look very healthy. I am so picky about tooth paste. I really dislike vertually

every one I have tried, except a really old one that they don't make anymore

that was licorice flavored and had green clay in it. It was wonderful for the

gums, didn't whiten tho. And I have looked high and low for something that

actually whitened the teeth and was healthy for the gums and was non commercial.

And I think I finally found it. I really like this stuff. I think it was like

$12 for a small bottle of powder, but you don't use much and I actually look

forward to brushing my teeth instead of dreading it.

Donna

Re: tooth decay

i've heard that too, but i take c every day

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Subject: Tooth decay Hi, I am fighting cancer. Initially, it was non-small cell lung cancer for which I had surgery - with nothing removed due to its location; four chemo treatments - at which time I stopped the chemo; and 36 radiation treatments. I have been taken supplements on the side. Up until my surgery in February this year, I conscientiously had dental hygiene every six months. My sixth month was in February, so I cancelled that one, but went for my next one in August. Starting last week I started having pains on my left jaw. I was surprised because I never had toothaches or abcesses. I felt that this must be an abcess and started taking ampicillan. The pains became worse over the weekend. I went to see my dentist today, and he said that I have decays that are affecting the nerves of the teeth. He agreed that if I had not taken antibiotics, I may have developed an abscess. This really got me, and I was wondering if others had experienced tooth decay. Especially, after having chemo and/or radiation. I also would like to know if any of you have any recommendations. Thanks, Mildred

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From: " Mildred " <mrobi85011@...>

Date sent: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:54:36 -0700

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> Hi, I am fighting cancer. Initially, it was non-small cell lung cancer for

> which I had surgery - with nothing removed due to its location; four chemo

> treatments - at which time I stopped the chemo; and 36 radiation treatment s.

I

> have been taken supplements on the side. Up until my surgery in Febr uary

this

> year, I conscientiously had dental hygiene every six months. My sixth month

was

> in February, so I cancelled that one, but went for my next one in August.

> Starting last week I started having pains on my left jaw. I was surprised

> because I never had toothaches or abcesses. I felt that th is must be an

abcess

> and started taking ampicillan. The pains became worse over the weekend. I

went to

> see my dentist today, and he said that I have decays that are affecting the

nerves

> of the teeth. He agreed that if I ha d not taken antibiotics, I may have

developed

> an abscess. This really got me, and I was wondering if others had experienced

> tooth decay. Especially, after having chemo and/or radiation. I also would

like

> to know if any of you have any recommendations. Thanks, Mildred

Hi Mildred,

you sound like my neighbour who had stage 4 non small cell

lung cancer NSCLC in January. She basically took what you have allready taken,

plus

she followed Protocol 1. She has no cancer today.

May I tell you how I solved my dental problems. I use a Braun high speed

electric

toothbrsuh twice a day plus dental floss once a day. This method has stopped all

my

tooth problems. For dificult teeth wrap the floss around the tooth and move it

back

and forth.

Dental X-Rays are associated with various brain cancers and cancers of the

Parotid Gland. I posted the references for this previously, (from American Jnl

of

Dentistry).

moonbeam

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Dear Mildred,

Because I had radiation for my head and neck five years ago I also had the

risk for problems with my teeth. What Moonbeam describes in keeping clean

your teeth I do the same. The rpoblem is that the radiation (maybe also the

chemo but that I don't knwo for sure) but the radiation has destroyed my

natural protection of 'bacterium' (?) in my mouth. So I have to clean my

teeth three times a day with floshing and brushjing (like Moonbeam

describes) And twice a year I visit an 'orthodontist' who cleans further my

teeth . And my oncologist is very satisfied with the way my teeth are still

without any infections etc. Normally he told me people loose after radiation

of your mouth their teeth within five tot ten years and hevae a lot of

problems with infections etc. . Probably my nutritional supplements (lots of

vitamins etc) and a good diet help also.

Take care Mildrfed and keep figthing. The 10th of november I have a meeting

with a woman who got the message nine months ago (coloncancer with

metastases jin liver and bone) who is free from cancer now (ofcourse she can

always get a relapse) wiht help of a diet and supplemtens and some regular

treatments like RFA. A very special story and I hear quite often that people

gets better, maybe not always that they cure from the cancer but at least

their quality of life gets much better and the cancerprocess stops quite

often.

I will let you and the group know when I talked to that woman.

Gr. Kees Braam

webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl

>

> > Hi, I am fighting cancer. Initially, it was non-small cell lung cancer

for

> > which I had surgery - with nothing removed due to its location; four

chemo

> > treatments - at which time I stopped the chemo; and 36 radiation

treatment s. I

> > have been taken supplements on the side. Up until my surgery in Febr

uary this

> > year, I conscientiously had dental hygiene every six months. My sixth

month was

> > in February, so I cancelled that one, but went for my next one in

August.

> > Starting last week I started having pains on my left jaw. I was

surprised

> > because I never had toothaches or abcesses. I felt that th is must be

an abcess

> > and started taking ampicillan. The pains became worse over the weekend.

I went to

> > see my dentist today, and he said that I have decays that are affecting

the nerves

> > of the teeth. He agreed that if I ha d not taken antibiotics, I may

have developed

> > an abscess. This really got me, and I was wondering if others had

experienced

> > tooth decay. Especially, after having chemo and/or radiation. I also

would like

> > to know if any of you have any recommendations. Thanks, Mildred

>

> Hi Mildred,

> you sound like my neighbour who had stage 4 non

small cell

> lung cancer NSCLC in January. She basically took what you have allready

taken, plus

> she followed Protocol 1. She has no cancer today.

> May I tell you how I solved my dental problems. I use a Braun high

speed electric

> toothbrsuh twice a day plus dental floss once a day. This method has

stopped all my

> tooth problems. For dificult teeth wrap the floss around the tooth and

move it back

> and forth.

> Dental X-Rays are associated with various brain cancers and cancers of

the

> Parotid Gland. I posted the references for this previously, (from American

Jnl of

> Dentistry).

>

> moonbeam

>

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[Guest guest]

, thanks for the articles, I printed them out to share with a few

friends. Let us know how your clinic goes, perhaps you would save any

left over hand outs for us in Vegas?? Love you, take care, Louise.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for your efforts, it is surely appreciated and will be helpful.

I will get back with you concerning the room number when I know.

Thanks!!

I HAVE had a nasty flare with much horrible pain, bruising and rash in

my legs, but the humongous doses of prednisone are moving that along

well, I can finally walk with no discomfort today, lol. I worry about

the nasty moods I get in when I have to use prednisone, so does anyone

near me!!! LOL I wish there were a " nice mood " pill for me, I need

it,lol.

Take care, it will be soooooo nice when you and Mark are together again,

that is sure hard on family life! Louise.

Coker wrote:

>

> Louise--I have emailed and called the school in LV---I am not sure what is

> going on!!!! I will try to get you some info and samples of products for

> xerostomia--

[Guest guest]

We live in northern Nevada--but I am going to school in Boise Idaho---done

in April!!! Then Mark and I can live together again. Our anniversary is in

October---19 years.

I try to check in with the mailings when I have time and especially if I see

dental orientated stuff : )

& Mark

>From: Reynolds <lisakr06@...>

>Reply-Stillsdisease

>Stillsdisease

>Subject: Re: Tooth Decay

>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:45:02 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>,

>Where do you live??

>

>XO

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Louise--I have emailed and called the school in LV---I am not sure what is

going on!!!! I will try to get you some info and samples of products for

xerostomia---let me know what your room # etc will be ---email me at

mmcoker@... and I will try to get it all together.

Hope you are feeling better--I thought I read you were in a flare of sorts :

(

Take care

& Mark

>From: Louise Darlington <darlington@...>

>Reply-Stillsdisease

>Stillsdisease

>Subject: Re: Tooth Decay

>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:51:16 +0000

>

>, thanks for the articles, I printed them out to share with a few

>friends. Let us know how your clinic goes, perhaps you would save any

>left over hand outs for us in Vegas?? Love you, take care, Louise.

>

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I've never heard of this either. Not to change the subject, but your post reminded me that I have often wondered if my dental problems could have any connection with my "bone problems," including early osteoporosis. After vigorous and even quasi-obsessive dental hygiene, extensive gum surgery, repeated deep cleaning and planing, etc., I have nonetheless lost all my upper teeth at a relatively young age. The summer I was 12, I developed a severe, acute, and (to me) somewhat exotic and bizarre gum infection -- within a few weeks of receiving my initial scoliosis diagnosis. Probably just coincidence . . . I have not heard of any scientific data to support my intuitive sense that the two problems may be somehow related. Your doctor's hypothesis re pain meds and tooth decay is a new one to me. twistedsister1959

<twistedsister1959@...> wrote: Has anyone else had problems with tooth decay. My dentist says it is from medications used to relieve my pain. I've never heard of this. Would love to hear from others who may have experienced this same problem. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

WOW! I have major tooth decay. I never thought they were connected. I only have 13 teeth right now. I am looking into getting implants. What kind of meds did you take? I mostly take Darvocet but, when I had the fussion I had alot more. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I will ask my dentist about it. Sara Maytwistedsister1959 <twistedsister1959@...> wrote: Has anyone else had problems with tooth decay. My dentist says it is from medications used to relieve my pain. I've never heard of this. Would love to hear from others who may have experienced this same problem. Thanks.

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Is vitamin K2 the same as vitamin K?

Sissy

[ ] Re: tooth decay

Dear all,

Our son's canines were eroding until recently. We suddenly noticed

they were very blotchy (yellow and white) and they were soft not at all

like teeth should be. We read some posts on another group (autism

biomedical europe I think) about supplementing vitamin K2 for yellow

and eroding teeth.

We also stopped putting betaine and pepsin on his food and instead now

use a teaspoon of lemon juice 10 mins before a meal to help with

stomach acid. My feeling is that it is the vitamin K2 that has

helped. We have had a huge improvement - his teeth are now hard again

and have whitened up a lot. It took surprisingly little time - maybe 3

weeks - to notice a big improvement.

Best wishes,

Sandy

>

> Hi Everyone;

> Yes my grandson who is 5.5 yrs just had 7 teeth pulled in the front

and

> 6 fillings. He never eats candy. He was put under at the hospital,to

> have them done. but he came out of it really really well, was jumping

> on his rebounder and ate soft foods right away.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, lead and flouride interfere with normal tooth enamel development.

Other metals cause deficiencys that relate to bad teeth.

Constant chewing is a sign of LEAD poisoning. Please have your childs

hair tested.

My son has discolored two year molars. They have brown spots on the

enamel due to his lead exposure. Get him on calcium and zinc.

>

> Is it possible that my son's tooth decay is exasperated by heavy

> metals. He's 3.8 years old and has aready had some teeth removed.

> Within a week of having his teeth removed two of his remaining teeth

> started to show signs of decay. It just seems to develop too

> quickly. I do brush his teeth but every day it just gets worse.

> His other teeth had to be removed because he chewed everything in

> sight and damaged the enamel on his teeth.

>

> With Thanks

>

> Marie

>

[Guest guest]

None of my son's tests showed high lead. High arsenic, antimony, aluminum and

bismuth. His calcium was only slightly low and is now in the high-normal range.

His zinc was extraordinarily low and is now finally normal (after 18 months of

supplementing!). The decay doesn't seem to be progressing anymore so maybe it's

under control. I just wondered if other ASD kids had similar problems and, from

the responses, it seems they do. I tried to check my son's gums for the black

line that indicates lead but he wouldn't let me. I'll have to try to check next

time he's screaming...

Sissy

[ ] Re: tooth decay

Yes, lead and flouride interfere with normal tooth enamel development.

Other metals cause deficiencys that relate to bad teeth.

Constant chewing is a sign of LEAD poisoning. Please have your childs

hair tested.

My son has discolored two year molars. They have brown spots on the

enamel due to his lead exposure. Get him on calcium and zinc.

>

> Is it possible that my son's tooth decay is exasperated by heavy

> metals. He's 3.8 years old and has aready had some teeth removed.

> Within a week of having his teeth removed two of his remaining teeth

> started to show signs of decay. It just seems to develop too

> quickly. I do brush his teeth but every day it just gets worse.

> His other teeth had to be removed because he chewed everything in

> sight and damaged the enamel on his teeth.

>

> With Thanks

>

> Marie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

My son, now 6 years, have had the 3 (three) frontal teeth necrosed. In fact,

even when we went to dentist a lot, she did not have useful advice. The main

problem was teeth weakness. There were no possibility to sealing. When we sealed

one of the cavities, a big infection arose because the need of natural draining.

My son demonstrated to have celiac disease, food allergies, IgA deficiency and

several HM/Al and immune problems. In our case, teeth problems were and are

awful.

María Luján

Argentina

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What test showed that his calcium is now in the high-normal range? High calcium

on a hair test often means the person is wasting it, the body isn't using it

properly.

S S

<p>None of my son's tests showed high lead. High arsenic, antimony,

aluminum and bismuth. His calcium was only slightly low and is now in the

high-normal range. His zinc was extraordinarily low and is now finally normal

(after 18 months of supplementing!<wbr>). The decay doesn't seem to be

progressing anymore so maybe it's under control. I just wondered if other ASD

kids had similar problems and, from the responses, it seems they do. I tried to

check my son's gums for the black line that indicates lead but he wouldn't let

me. I'll have to try to check next time he's screaming...<br>

<br>

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It was his blood serum test. His past 2 have shown high-normal. I've actually

cut back on his calcium for fear of overdosing him.

Re: [ ] Re: tooth decay

What test showed that his calcium is now in the high-normal range? High

calcium on a hair test often means the person is wasting it, the body isn't

using it properly.

S S

<p>None of my son's tests showed high lead. High arsenic, antimony, aluminum

and bismuth. His calcium was only slightly low and is now in the high-normal

range. His zinc was extraordinarily low and is now finally normal (after 18

months of supplementing!<wbr>). The decay doesn't seem to be progressing anymore

so maybe it's under control. I just wondered if other ASD kids had similar

problems and, from the responses, it seems they do. I tried to check my son's

gums for the black line that indicates lead but he wouldn't let me. I'll have to

try to check next time he's screaming...<br>

<br>

Sissy<br>

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Try increasing Vitamin D and adding Vitamin K. We had high blood calcium and

only adding the Vitamin K has brought it into ref range for the last two blood

draws and it's still decreasing.

High blood calcium can mean it's being withdrawn from the bone due to a lack of

D or K and floating around in the blood.

Re: [ ] Re: tooth decay

What test showed that his calcium is now in the high-normal range? High

calcium on a hair test often means the person is wasting it, the body isn't

using it properly.

S S

<p>None of my son's tests showed high lead. High arsenic, antimony, aluminum

and bismuth. His calcium was only slightly low and is now in the high-normal

range. His zinc was extraordinarily low and is now finally normal (after 18

months of supplementing!<wbr>). The decay doesn't seem to be progressing anymore

so maybe it's under control. I just wondered if other ASD kids had similar

problems and, from the responses, it seems they do. I tried to check my son's

gums for the black line that indicates lead but he wouldn't let me. I'll have to

try to check next time he's screaming...<br>

<br>

Sissy<br>

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If a mother takes certain meds while pregnant it can affect the development of

the child's teeth buds. Were they his " baby " (deciduous teeth) or

adult/permanent teeth? My terrible teeth makes me wonder what meds my mother

was taking when she was pregnant with me, though there's a family history of bad

teeth.

S S

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<p>Hi<br>

My son, now 6 years, have had the 3 (three) frontal teeth necrosed. In fact,

even when we went to dentist a lot, she did not have useful advice. The main

problem was teeth weakness. There were no possibility to sealing. When we sealed

one of the cavities, a big infection arose because the need of natural draining.

My son demonstrated to have celiac disease, food allergies, IgA deficiency and

several HM/Al and immune problems. In our case, teeth problems were and are

awful.<br>

María Luján<br>

Argentina<br>

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