Re: Nose bleeds - crosspost

[Guest guest]

> My one year old has recently started throwing fits with such vigor

> that she makes her nose bleed. She's not hitting it on anything,

> she's just screaming so hard that her nose bleeds. I know

> traditionally I have seen nose bleeds being a lack of Vit K, but was

> wondering if that would apply to this as she doesn't get nose bleeds

> any other time.

The only thing I can mention, is what caused nosebleeds for two of my

kids.

For #1, copper deficiency, caused by when I tried to give him zinc.

Massive nosebleeds. I have had to supplement him with copper.

For #2, vitamin K deficiency, caused by giving him a lot of fish oil

[once he tolerated it]. I added vitamin K and he was fine.

For both these kids, the nosebleeds occured shortly after giving the

zinc/fish oil. For #1, they happened after the first dose of zinc.

For #2, they happened about a month after I started giving him fish oil.

I would first ask what is triggering her massive fits.

Dana

[Guest guest]

What we have found as causes of nosebleed in our home are:

antimony exposure (new mattress or pajamas)

Low vitamin C-they will bruise easily and break blood vessels with

little effort. (aka: screaming would do it)

Vitamin K is also a factor, or copper problems.

Yes, first figure out why she is getting so angry. Add a

multivitamin to be sure she is getting enough vitamin C and not

popping blood vessels.

I used to get occasional nose bleed just sitting there, along with

bruises from nothing until I began with daily c.

> > My one year old has recently started throwing fits with such

vigor

> > that she makes her nose bleed. She's not hitting it on

anything,

> > she's just screaming so hard that her nose bleeds. I know

> > traditionally I have seen nose bleeds being a lack of Vit K, but

was

> > wondering if that would apply to this as she doesn't get nose

bleeds

> > any other time.

>

>

> The only thing I can mention, is what caused nosebleeds for two of

my

> kids.

>

> For #1, copper deficiency, caused by when I tried to give him

zinc.

> Massive nosebleeds. I have had to supplement him with copper.

>

> For #2, vitamin K deficiency, caused by giving him a lot of fish

oil

> [once he tolerated it]. I added vitamin K and he was fine.

>

> For both these kids, the nosebleeds occured shortly after giving

the

> zinc/fish oil. For #1, they happened after the first dose of

zinc.

> For #2, they happened about a month after I started giving him

fish oil.

>

> I would first ask what is triggering her massive fits.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply Dana.

I too am concerned about the fit throwing and would love to find the

answer. I believe at this time that it is intolerance to something

she is eating or a supplement. However she only has 6 foods that

she (barely) tolerates so I can't cut her diet any more, inspite of

the fit throwing. I know something is wrong with her b/c she has

been so incredibly unlike herself these last few weeks. And I don't

think it's b/c she's almost two either. Her personality is changing

from a sweet, easy going child to a wild, fit-pitching looney. Today

she has a busted blood vessel in her eye from the fit she threw last

night. There is definately something wrong with her. We started

NAET last week and hopefully this will open up enough food choices

that I can start figuring out what's going on.

Her hair tests showed normal copper, although she does have deranged

mineral transporation so I'm not sure if that means her copper

levels are accurate. She does receive zinc every day but her

nosebleeds are not showing up soon after.

She also received EFA's (ALA, GLA, LA & OA) daily, but no fish oil

as she doesn't tolerate it. Could just regular EFA's cause Vit K

deficiency? I mean, her diet is so limited that she can't possibly

get all her vitamins/minerals in her food so I would totally expect

her to be deficient in many thing.

Thanks for your help!

Wyndie

> > My one year old has recently started throwing fits with such

vigor

> > that she makes her nose bleed. She's not hitting it on

anything,

> > she's just screaming so hard that her nose bleeds. I know

> > traditionally I have seen nose bleeds being a lack of Vit K, but

was

> > wondering if that would apply to this as she doesn't get nose

bleeds

> > any other time.

>

>

> The only thing I can mention, is what caused nosebleeds for two of

my

> kids.

>

> For #1, copper deficiency, caused by when I tried to give him

zinc.

> Massive nosebleeds. I have had to supplement him with copper.

>

> For #2, vitamin K deficiency, caused by giving him a lot of fish

oil

> [once he tolerated it]. I added vitamin K and he was fine.

>

> For both these kids, the nosebleeds occured shortly after giving

the

> zinc/fish oil. For #1, they happened after the first dose of

zinc.

> For #2, they happened about a month after I started giving him

fish oil.

>

> I would first ask what is triggering her massive fits.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

She seems to have trouble with Vit C. She does take a multi and her

quercetin has Vit C in it, but she tends to get very severe rashes

after being on C for a day; so she doesn't get much. As I mentioned

in Dana's post, she does burst blood vessels from screaming, so that

makes me suspicious; but I'm not sure what I can do to make her

tolerate the C. I am so hesitant to do much with supplements for her

b/c she can't tell me what makes her feel bad and b/c she's a

universal reactor to everything!

Thanks for you input. I will have to try other brands of C, I think,

and see if there's one out there she can have.

Wyndie

>

> What we have found as causes of nosebleed in our home are:

> antimony exposure (new mattress or pajamas)

> Low vitamin C-they will bruise easily and break blood vessels with

> little effort. (aka: screaming would do it)

>

> Vitamin K is also a factor, or copper problems.

>

> Yes, first figure out why she is getting so angry. Add a

> multivitamin to be sure she is getting enough vitamin C and not

> popping blood vessels.

> I used to get occasional nose bleed just sitting there, along with

> bruises from nothing until I began with daily c.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not Dana but just some comments:

Is she on any probiotics? My son's fits were tamer after going on

probiotics and dealing with his gut yeast. He also was less limited

in his food choices. My son had a broken blood vessel in his eye one

time for no reason, along with the bruising. We took his c up to

1500 mg a day and it went away. But yes, getting to the bottom of

the fits....

Does she drink milk? Does she have a problem with constipation?

Since it has been such a drastic change in her behaviors, was she

vaccinated recently?

We had to pull all milk from my son, put him on probiotics, and anti

yeast and not feed him anything artificial. After he calmed down a

bit with the yeast and fits, we were able to put him a Spectrum

Complete and begin supplenting him more.

> > > My one year old has recently started throwing fits with such

> vigor

> > > that she makes her nose bleed. She's not hitting it on

> anything,

> > > she's just screaming so hard that her nose bleeds. I know

> > > traditionally I have seen nose bleeds being a lack of Vit K,

but

> was

> > > wondering if that would apply to this as she doesn't get nose

> bleeds

> > > any other time.

> >

> >

> > The only thing I can mention, is what caused nosebleeds for two

of

> my

> > kids.

> >

> > For #1, copper deficiency, caused by when I tried to give him

> zinc.

> > Massive nosebleeds. I have had to supplement him with copper.

> >

> > For #2, vitamin K deficiency, caused by giving him a lot of fish

> oil

> > [once he tolerated it]. I added vitamin K and he was fine.

> >

> > For both these kids, the nosebleeds occured shortly after giving

> the

> > zinc/fish oil. For #1, they happened after the first dose of

> zinc.

> > For #2, they happened about a month after I started giving him

> fish oil.

> >

> > I would first ask what is triggering her massive fits.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Try to find a C that has no additives at all and is ascorbic acid.

You can also try a buffered C like Kirkman Buffered C powder.

Multi's while helpful never had enough C in them. But yes, first try

to get her calmer. See my other post reply on milk, yeast, etc.

> >

> > What we have found as causes of nosebleed in our home are:

> > antimony exposure (new mattress or pajamas)

> > Low vitamin C-they will bruise easily and break blood vessels

with

> > little effort. (aka: screaming would do it)

> >

> > Vitamin K is also a factor, or copper problems.

> >

> > Yes, first figure out why she is getting so angry. Add a

> > multivitamin to be sure she is getting enough vitamin C and not

> > popping blood vessels.

> > I used to get occasional nose bleed just sitting there, along

with

> > bruises from nothing until I began with daily c.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

She is on probiotics daily She has been on them since about 6

weeks of age (we have rotated a bit too) and she has only continued

to lose foods. She seriously reacts to EVERYTHING. Her IgG test

was the craziest one that the lab had seen before. She has off the

page antibody levels to foods she's eaten only once or twice.

She does not drink milk. She only tolerates 3 meats (organic) and 3

veggies (organic). No additives, flavors, etc, etc. She does have

problems with constipation which we deal with by giving magnesium

daily. If I forget a dose, she backs up, but if she gets it daily,

she's good to go.

She has not been vaccinated at all. To my knowledge nothing has

changed. We do live on a military base so who knows if something

new and toxic is floating around the air, but in our house, nothing

is different.

She started NAET last week and I saw on the schedule that the 3rd

treatment is for Vit C so maybe by mid-week she will be good for Vit

C and that will help.

Thank you for all your suggestions and personal experience!

Wyndie

>

> Not Dana but just some comments:

> Is she on any probiotics? My son's fits were tamer after going on

> probiotics and dealing with his gut yeast. He also was less

limited

> in his food choices. My son had a broken blood vessel in his eye

one

> time for no reason, along with the bruising. We took his c up to

> 1500 mg a day and it went away. But yes, getting to the bottom of

> the fits....

> Does she drink milk? Does she have a problem with constipation?

> Since it has been such a drastic change in her behaviors, was she

> vaccinated recently?

>

> We had to pull all milk from my son, put him on probiotics, and

anti

> yeast and not feed him anything artificial. After he calmed down a

> bit with the yeast and fits, we were able to put him a Spectrum

> Complete and begin supplenting him more.

>

[Guest guest]

>>I know something is wrong with her b/c she has

> been so incredibly unlike herself these last few weeks.

Can you figure out something that might have changed a few weeks ago?

> Her hair tests showed normal copper, although she does have deranged

> mineral transporation so I'm not sure if that means her copper

> levels are accurate. She does receive zinc every day but her

> nosebleeds are not showing up soon after.

Try giving a zinc/copper that has more zinc than copper.

> She also received EFA's (ALA, GLA, LA & OA) daily, but no fish oil

> as she doesn't tolerate it. Could just regular EFA's cause Vit K

> deficiency?

My son did not have the nosebleeds until the fish oil, but he did have

a lot of issues to address before he tolerated the fish oil.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> She seems to have trouble with Vit C. She does take a multi and her

> quercetin has Vit C in it, but she tends to get very severe rashes

> after being on C for a day; so she doesn't get much.

Most C is from corn, so that might be the problem.

Try TwinLabs Allergy C, it is not from corn.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Could be a terrbily low level of Vitamin B12; Vitamin B12 is the most

complex of all Vitamins and is a unique essential Vitamin.

Due to her limited diet; which caused Malnoutrion can be corrected

with :

Any good LIQUID MULTI-VITAMIN MINERAL FORMULA; use half dose to begin.

If you give her 1/2 dose twice a day; I bet she'd be like a new girl !

However a limited diet most alwsys lead to a type of Malnutrion;

easily correctable ; but like any disease; sooner treated the better.

Note: EGGS are high in Protein and Vitamins/MInersa; can she eat eggs?

> > > My one year old has recently started throwing fits with such

> vigor

> > > that she makes her nose bleed. She's not hitting it on

> anything,

> > > she's just screaming so hard that her nose bleeds. I know

> > > traditionally I have seen nose bleeds being a lack of Vit K,

but

> was

> > > wondering if that would apply to this as she doesn't get nose

> bleeds

> > > any other time.

> >

> >

> > The only thing I can mention, is what caused nosebleeds for two

of

> my

> > kids.

> >

> > For #1, copper deficiency, caused by when I tried to give him

> zinc.

> > Massive nosebleeds. I have had to supplement him with copper.

> >

> > For #2, vitamin K deficiency, caused by giving him a lot of fish

> oil

> > [once he tolerated it]. I added vitamin K and he was fine.

> >

> > For both these kids, the nosebleeds occured shortly after giving

> the

> > zinc/fish oil. For #1, they happened after the first dose of

> zinc.

> > For #2, they happened about a month after I started giving him

> fish oil.

> >

> > I would first ask what is triggering her massive fits.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>