Feeling Down

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Luv - Sheila

As I was too busy to cook etc for me,I now make up a batch of bean soup which I have with quinoa or brown rice and I keep it in the fridge or freezer.... it totally keeps me out of the low blood sugar world.As a snack I recommend oatcakes (they are yum) with hummus...works like a dream.

Better go now as I've said way more than my fair share tonight....

take care,you are not alone,things will get much better,

julia

ps I can give you th recipe for the soup if you like.....prob not on the forum though as I doubt its appropriate.

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HiI feel really down today, tearful. My days seem to start off quitegood but then can rapidly go downhill. Worked again today got throughnot too bad. Had cheese at break time instead of a banana, felt a bitsickly afterwards but didn't suffer quite as much with low blood sugarsymptoms. This afternoon I have felt terrible. So tired and dizzy justwant to lie down and go to sleep but can't do that with a family andthree children to look after. My eyes feel puffy my legs ache and feelweak and my temp has just managed to reach 37 at 4pm. I really can'tunderstand this. Surely 24 days in to a dose increse I should bestarting to feel better not worse?I am supporting my adrenals with 4 NAE a day.Can anyone shed any light on what could be happening, I am so fed upof waiting and waiting for an improvemement and seem to go one stepforward and two back. I am so close to ordering some armour but Ireally do want to have the support of my endo with this and do notwant to go it alone, because if it dosent work what then?Love Lizzie

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Hi Sheila

Thankyou for this infromation but having read through it I dont think

this is what I have. It mentions a high T4 and a highish TSH despite

treatment. My T4 was 9.2 and TSH 0.03 T3 4.9 at last blood test three

weeeks ago so I dont think this quite matches up. What was it that made

you think it might br thyroid hormone resistance?

Love Lizzie

> I wonder if you could be suffering with thyroid hormone resistence

Lizzie. See

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> http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter16/16d-frame.htm

> http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:245881

> http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/new_thyroid_disease

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Hi Lizzie,

Despite your decent TSH, your T4 is far too low so you are not getting the T4 into your blood stream. This may be because you need a higher dose of T4- some folk need surprisingly high doses ( up to 300mcg is not unheard of!)- it's since the TSH came in that dose levels have been reduced drastically- which seem to be one of the weaknesses of the test.

It doesn't seem to matter how low the T4 is if you are getting enough T3 as that is the active hormone, after all some folk do fine on T3 alone which will result in a negligible T4 result.

There is no point in having good test results if you still feel ill. Now getting that T3 tested ,now there's the trick!

> thyroid treatment > From: lassey@...> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:19:20 +0000> Subject: Re: feeling down> > Hi Sheila> > Thankyou for this infromation but having read through it I dont think> this is what I have. It mentions a high T4 and a highish TSH despite> treatment. My T4 was 9.2 and TSH 0.03 T3 4.9 at last blood test three> weeeks ago so I dont think this quite matches up. What was it that made> you think it might br thyroid hormone resistance?> > Love Lizzie> > I wonder if you could be suffering with thyroid hormone resistence> Lizzie. See> >> > http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter16/16d-frame.htm> > http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:245881> > http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/new_thyroid_disease> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Hi Lizzie,

Duh! you have posted T3 result Which looks quite good. But if you are still tired then I'd ask for a dose increase.

> thyroid treatment > From: lassey@...> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:19:20 +0000> Subject: Re: feeling down> > Hi Sheila> > Thankyou for this infromation but having read through it I dont think> this is what I have. It mentions a high T4 and a highish TSH despite> treatment. My T4 was 9.2 and TSH 0.03 T3 4.9 at last blood test three> weeeks ago so I dont think this quite matches up. What was it that made> you think it might br thyroid hormone resistance?> > Love Lizzie> > I wonder if you could be suffering with thyroid hormone resistence> Lizzie. See> >> > http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter16/16d-frame.htm> > http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:245881> > http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/new_thyroid_disease> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Hi Lissie, i suspect a antibodie attack this can make you feel unwell, the attacks can be different for each of us, depends on how many of the little devils are in the blood.i have about 100, but some of us will have a lot more. best to get a TPOab test. I would wont to no if it was me ,but we are all different in our approach.angel.

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I think you are right, you could not be suffering thyroid hormone resistance with results such as yours. After eliminating THR, low ferritin, systemic candidiasis, low adrenal reserve, low vitamin D, low vitamin B12, mercury poisoning and having had so many different titrations of both T4/T3 combination therapy, I have been trying to use a process of elimination to see if this helps find the reason why, after so long, the thyroid hormones you are taking do not seem to be working for you as they should.

The only other thing I can think of now is that with your TSH and very low FT4 - both these being low usually indicates hypothyroidism due to a problem involving the pituitary gland. Because of the state you are in Lizzie, I would telephone Dr B and tell him your symptoms and how unwell how you are feeling right now and that you can no longer wait for your next appointment because this is just prolonging your suffering. Ask him if he has considered a problem with your pituitary gland.

Luv and big (((HUGS)))

Sheila

Hi SheilaThankyou for this infromation but having read through it I dont thinkthis is what I have. It mentions a high T4 and a highish TSH despitetreatment. My T4 was 9.2 and TSH 0.03 T3 4.9 at last blood test threeweeeks ago so I dont think this quite matches up. What was it that madeyou think it might br thyroid hormone resistance?Love Lizzie

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Hi Sheila

Criky you have really scared me now!!

When I was first diagnosed my TSH was 6 and my T4 was 7 I also had

antibodies at 56. surely this indicates primary hypothyroidism due to

hashimotos.

I do have mercury fillings, I don't know what my vit d level is but do

take a supplement with it in daily. I don't think i have candida but

couldn't be 100% sure.

I don't want to contact Dr B yet I am due to see him again in six

weeks and think I need to give it a little longer to see how I respond.

I think I have felt a little better today, I do seem to be very up and

down.

Love Lizzie

>

> The only other thing I can think of now is that with your TSH and

very low FT4 - both these being low usually indicates hypothyroidism

due to a problem involving the pituitary gland. Because of the state

you are in Lizzie, I would telephone Dr B and tell him your symptoms

and how unwell how you are feeling right now and that you can no

longer wait for your next appointment because this is just prolonging

your suffering. Ask him if he has considered a problem with your

pituitary gland.

>

> Luv and big (((HUGS)))

>

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How would you tell if you were having an anti body attack? How would you feel? --- On Fri, 12/9/08, judith franklin <angel47572000@...>

Hi Lissie, i suspect a antibodie attack this can make you feel unwell, the attacks can be different for each of us, depends on how many of the little devils are in the blood.i have about 100, but some of us will have a lot more. best to get a TPOab test. I would wont to no if it was me ,but we are all different in our approach.angel.

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Hi Angel

I am due to have another blood test in five weeks time and this time

Dr B has put down for thyroid antibodies as well as the usual TSH, T4

and T3 so will see. I have wondered myself if this is what has

happened, because ten weeks ago I was on the dose I am now and I was

feeling quite hyper and also had basal temps of 37 and daytime temps

of 37.4. I reduced my dose and then began to feel hypo. So three weeks

ago on endos advice have gone back to the previous dose now 3 and a

half weeks into it and still feel hypo temps 36.4 basal and daytime

highest today 36.9. I sincerely hope it is this and not a pituitary

problem as sheila has inidicated am very concerned.

Love Lizzie

>

> Hi Lissie, i suspect a antibodie attack this can make you feel

unwell, the attacks can be different for each of us, depends on how

many of the little devils are in the blood.

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When I had my first blood tests done it included anti bodies, why dont they just do that as a matter of course? Just seems so silly not to do the tests right away! You dont seem to be on the right dose yet--- On Fri, 12/9/08, lizzielassi <lassey@...>

Hi AngelI am due to have another blood test in five weeks time and this timeDr B has put down for thyroid antibodies as well as the usual TSH, T4and T3 so will see.Love Lizzie>> Hi Lissie, i suspect a antibodie attack this can make you feelunwell, the attacks can be different for each of us, depends on howmany of the little devils are in the blood.

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Hi

Thank you for you lovely reply. It is quite complex this blood sugar

thing, but I hear what you are saying and I am going to take a long

hard look at my diet and try to improve things. Could you email the

recipe for the soup to me that would be great.

Thanks love Lizzie

> As I was too busy to cook etc for me,I now make up a batch of bean

soup which I have with quinoa or brown rice and I keep it in the

fridge or freezer.... it totally keeps me out of the low blood sugar

world.As a snack I recommend oatcakes (they are yum) with

hummus...works like a dream.

>

> ps I can give you th recipe for the soup if you like.....prob not on

the forum though as I doubt its appropriate.

>  

>

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please do advise on recipes and ideas. I NEED wholemeal bread in the

morning. I take it with tahine(sesame spread) and some jam. It lasts

ages in my stomach. I think I'm allergic to dairy.

I do have pasta and white rice but I am trying to change this. I like

the idea of your bean soup with quinoa. Don't like quinoa on its own.

Is it a whole grain?

I eat steak/fish and veg and some bread in the evening.

recipes and food ideas welcome.

thanks

berny

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Luv - Sheila

Hi Thank you for you lovely reply. It is quite complex this blood sugarthing, but I hear what you are saying and I am going to take a longhard look at my diet and try to improve things. Could you email therecipe for the soup to me that would be great.Thanks love Lizzie> As I was too busy to cook etc for me,I now make up a batch of beansoup which I have with quinoa or brown rice and I keep it in thefridge or freezer.... it totally keeps me out of the low blood sugarworld.As a snack I recommend oatcakes (they are yum) withhummus...works like a dream.>> ps I can give you th recipe for the soup if you like.....prob not onthe forum though as I doubt its appropriate.> Â >

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> Hi Sheila

>

> Criky you have really scared me now!!

>

> When I was first diagnosed my TSH was 6 and my T4 was 7 I also had

> antibodies at 56. surely this indicates primary hypothyroidism due to

> hashimotos.

>

> I do have mercury fillings, I don't know what my vit d level is but do

> take a supplement with it in daily. I don't think i have candida but

> couldn't be 100% sure.

>

> I don't want to contact Dr B yet I am due to see him again in six

> weeks and think I need to give it a little longer to see how I respond.

>

> I think I have felt a little better today, I do seem to be very up and

> down.

>

> Love Lizzie

>

>

> >

> > The only other thing I can think of now is that with your TSH and

> very low FT4 - both these being low usually indicates hypothyroidism

> due to a problem involving the pituitary gland. Because of the state

> you are in Lizzie, I would telephone Dr B and tell him your symptoms

> and how unwell how you are feeling right now and that you can no

> longer wait for your next appointment because this is just prolonging

> your suffering. Ask him if he has considered a problem with your

> pituitary gland.

> >

> > Luv and big (((HUGS)))

> >

>

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TPA soup party? Dont forget your spoons!!

sounds great, so does the soup!

Gill

If the recipe is put into the Chat forum, we can all share it )

Luv - Sheila

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Hi Lizzie,

The day length may be having a disproportionate impact on your mood and

body......I wonder if it's likely to improve over the next few days as

you get used to the shorter day lengths.....do you usually have a day

length component to your physiological and mental state?

Ambient temperature may also influence matters, since your thyroid

gland responds to it's own temperature 'sensors' ~ the mitochondria.

A 'scarf' may keep things more stable for a few days, particularly in

chilly winds.

best wishes

Bob

--- In thyroid treatment , " lizzielassi "

<lassey@...> wrote

> Hi

> I feel really down today, tearful. My days seem to start off quite

> good but then can rapidly go downhill. Worked again today got

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HI Lizzie

A pituitary gland problem is a rare cause of hypothyroidism. The

pituitary gland makes TSH which stimulates the thyroid gland to make

thyroxine. If the pituitary does not make TSH, then the thyroid cannot

make enough T4 and I wondered if this could be the cause of your low T4

and low TSH. However, as you were diagnosed with a TSH of 6, then this

is another cause that can be eliminated.

Have you done the Candida Quesitonnaire in our files to see whether you

might be suffering with this?

Luv - Sheila

> >

> > I don't want to contact Dr B yet I am due to see him again in six

> > weeks and think I need to give it a little longer to see how I

respond.

> >

> > I think I have felt a little better today, I do seem to be very up

and

> > down.

> >

> > Love Lizzie

> >

>

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Hi Bob

I do find that I am a lot happier when the sun is shining and the days

are long. I have to admit I dread the thought of winter every year

with the dark nights and gloomy days. The gloomy weather does seem to

make me feel tired, I love to be out in the fresh air and hate being

stuck indoors during the winter.

Love Lizzie

> The day length may be having a disproportionate impact on your mood and

> body......I wonder if it's likely to improve over the next few days as

> you get used to the shorter day lengths.....do you usually have a day

> length component to your physiological and mental state?

>

> Ambient temperature may also influence matters, since your thyroid

> gland responds to it's own temperature 'sensors' ~ the mitochondria.

>

> A 'scarf' may keep things more stable for a few days, particularly in

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Hi Sheila

I did do the candida questionnaire but it was a while ago. I did'nt

score too highly though. I have also done the spit test and did get a

few strands but not much.

Love Lizzie

>

> Have you done the Candida Quesitonnaire in our files to see whether you

> might be suffering with this?

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

> > >

> > > I don't want to contact Dr B yet I am due to see him again in six

> > > weeks and think I need to give it a little longer to see how I

> respond.

> > >

> > > I think I have felt a little better today, I do seem to be very up

> and

> > > down.

> > >

> > > Love Lizzie

> > >

> >

>

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Hi Lizzie,

A bright 'daylight lamp' could help if you suspect SAD (Seasonal

Affective Disorder).

I've got one or two similar (familial) problems going on at the

moment.

It's important to avoid psychiatric intervention if all they do is

treat it as a mental health problem and ignore the rest.

They get it into their heads that it's their domain and if they make

mistakes along the way, they don't want to admit it for fear of

admitting incompetence.....and legal action.

Very like the other discplines in medicine.......it's not my fault (

can I blame the patient and get away with it?)

best wishes

Bob

> Hi Bob

> I do find that I am a lot happier when the sun is shining and the

days are long.

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Hi Berny,

try brown rice- just takes a bit longer to cook use the absorption method ; rice in saucepan- cover with 1" water over the rice- boil till water below level of rice and making holes. cover and reduce heat until cooked and rice dry- about another 10mins.

> thyroid treatment > From: berny156@...> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:56:46 +0000> Subject: Re: feeling down> > --> > please do advise on recipes and ideas. I NEED wholemeal bread in the> morning. I take it with tahine(sesame spread) and some jam. It lasts> ages in my stomach. I think I'm allergic to dairy.> I do have pasta and white rice but I am trying to change this. I like> the idea of your bean soup with quinoa. Don't like quinoa on its own.> Is it a whole grain? > I eat steak/fish and veg and some bread in the evening.> recipes and food ideas welcome.> thanks> berny> > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Hi Lissie. do not worry to much as this is not good for our health. do not ajust your dose if you feel unwell only if you suspect the adrenals. some times in the begining you may fill hot like a fever and you may feel your chest area tender and inflamed , this is an attack.are you taking selenium 200mg per day, this as been proved to lower the auto-antibodies .are you using progesterone cream- this can help with your hormones which seem to play a part in the attacks. regards angel.

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Hi Angel

I do take selenium 200mg and also use progesterone cream during the

second half of my cycle. I do sometimes feel tender across the chest

area especially specific points that really hurt if I put a little

pressure on.

Love Lizzie

>

> Hi Lissie. do not worry to much as this is not good for our health.

do not ajust your dose if you feel unwell only if you suspect the

adrenals. some times in the begining you may fill hot like a fever and

you may feel your chest area tender and inflamed , this is an attack.

> are you taking selenium 200mg per day, this as been proved to lower

the auto-antibodies .

> are you using progesterone cream- this can help with your hormones

which seem to play a part in the attacks. regards angel.

>

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Can you take the topic of swapping recipe's over to the 'Chat' Forum please where you can chat about anything there. If you are not a member, contact Lilian and ask for an invitation.

Luv - Sheila

....try brown rice- just takes a bit longer to cook use the absorption method ;

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We had a bad time last night. My DS went to Boy Scouts and because he always

wants to first hit in the back another kid. The kid turned around and started

punshing him. I was not there so I am just going by what he said to me when I

went looking for him and he came out of a dark room. I knew something was up.

My son went into a full meltdown on why he cannot control his impulses, why he

has to touch others and hit. That he cannot controlled himself; he does not

deserve friends; he is bad and he will become a bully when he turns 13 (he is

obsessed by turning into a teenager and being bad). He cried and rant for more

than an hour. I tried to talk to him about the good points he has and not to

think negatives thoughts. It was awful to see him in that state. I will make

an appointment with the doctor because I don't want to see him sink into a

depression. We have been having problems with neighborhood kids not wanting to

play with him.

I don't know how to help. Sometimes I think is better to just stay home where

is safe, but he needs to interact with the world. I am heartbroken and sad

today.

Thanks for listening.

Ide