Re: Aspies can't lie???

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I feel my 10 yr. old aspie can manipulate just fine, but as far as lies go I noticed that he cannot put things in the order of how event should happen to tell the lie, does that make sense? I can ask my son about a situation and instead of a lie I always get "I don't know" for an answer, so that I guess is how he tells a lie. I cannot get the creative stories out him, he just cannot formulate them. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

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, I thought I was the only one sitting here saying... are my aspie kids the only ones that LIE? for instance, if I ask who left the light on downstairs last night or who left sandwich fixings on the counter they both say.. NOT ME ( reminds me of the circus cartoons) so one or both of them is definitely lying. and that is just a couple of examples. Both always lied about not having homework or doing their homework. I thought maybe I was an extra terrible mom, lol, because mine lie and 'aspies never lie' didn't fit our circumstances. Toni

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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I HOPE WE'RE ALLOWED TO ATTACH FILES. I'M ATTACHING A FILE I GOT FROM ON-LINE: "TIPS FOR TEACHING HIGH FUNC......". IT STATES THAT THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO BE MANUPLATIVE. I KNOW WHEN ANTHA GETS UPSET, HE REACTS IN THE ONLY WAY HE KNOWS - BY CRYING OR GOING INTO MELTDOWN ETC. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE PERSON THAT CREATED THIS ARTICLE. I KNOW ANTHA IS NOT A BOY WHO WOULD BE MANIPULATIVE. BUT ALL ASPIES ARE NOT THE SAME, THAT MUCH I HAVE LEARNED (ANTHA IS 7 AND HE WAS DIAGNOSED WHEN HE WAS 5 , SO I'M STILL KINDA NEW TO ALOT OF THINGS HAVING TO DO WITH ASPIES). I GUESS WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT OUR CHILD AND FIGURE OUT IF HE/SHE IS BEING MANIPULATIVE OR JUST BEING AN ASPIE. HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING!!! HUGS, JEANETTE Lowry <flyballmom@...> wrote: HI Everyone Probably this means that if you ask if they like your new dress , they can't lie....butbut aspies are dang fine manipulators and that involves lying...... Everytime I read that aspies can't lie , it confuses the heck out of me. hugsbrenda Wags! Wags! Wags! Lowry "There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face." Author Ben From: kellypywtorak Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:51:44 +0000Subject: ( ) girls w/ AS My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times,

particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl.

She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got

really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run. Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now!

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My daughter can definitely manipulate and lie! She always has me convinced, and then I find out that it's not true. But...if she does something she is not supposed to, she breaks down and she has to confess.

Deb

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.

DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.

I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale

(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?

Here she is in a nutshell...

**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,

then again recently.

**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 month

period during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and her

teacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, to

the point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, with

lots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, having

to be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom.

Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months

(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)

**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by a

fixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts about

LOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, she

talks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them by

name.

**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She draws

them, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs for

more shoes.

**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" but

rarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in a

public school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her new

favorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.

**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.

**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my son

with AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.

**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severe

as DS.

**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts to

discomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, even

as a toddler falling down all the time.

**She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learn

and she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.

**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doing

pretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.

I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similarities

will come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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i guess their wiring, (their personality) plays a big part. my 10

year old can not lie and so far does not manipulate. i am amazed at

what she tells me, infact, she tells me things, very personal

things, i do not want to know but i will listen to whatever she

tells me. my aspie husband on the other hand, will never give a

straight answer. for example, if i ask him if he liked something

(like dinner, or a movie) a typical answer would be " i didn't hate

it " . it is almost as if he prides himself on how evasive he can be.

he is very good at manipulation too.

regards,

melody

>

> I feel my 10 yr. old aspie can manipulate just fine, but as far as

lies go I

> noticed that he cannot put things in the order of how event should

happen to

> tell the lie, does that make sense? I can ask my son about a

situation and

> instead of a lie I always get " I don't know " for an answer, so that

I guess is how

> he tells a lie. I cannot get the creative stories out him, he just

cannot

> formulate them.

>

>

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Exactly!!! That's the way my DS is. It's like he is not clever

enough to lie--yet. My older kid is quick to cover her tracks if she

knows she has done something to get herself in trouble. My younger

one can't do that yet.---

In , azucarmama68@... wrote:

>

> I feel my 10 yr. old aspie can manipulate just fine, but as far as

lies go I

> noticed that he cannot put things in the order of how event should

happen to

> tell the lie, does that make sense? I can ask my son about a

situation and

> instead of a lie I always get " I don't know " for an answer, so that

I guess is how

> he tells a lie. I cannot get the creative stories out him, he just

cannot

> formulate them.

>

>

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> 2007's hottest products.

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Toni !!!!!!!!!!!

Thank God !!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL .......now I don't have to sit here scratching my head

wondering what was wrong with my aspies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hugs

Wags! Wags! Wags!

Lowry

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Author Ben

From: kbtoni@...Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:41:32 -0500Subject: Re: ( ) Aspies can't lie???

, I thought I was the only one sitting here saying... are my aspie kids the only ones that LIE? for instance, if I ask who left the light on downstairs last night or who left sandwich fixings on the counter they both say.. NOT ME ( reminds me of the circus cartoons) so one or both of them is definitely lying. and that is just a couple of examples. Both always lied about not having homework or doing their homework. I thought maybe I was an extra terrible mom, lol, because mine lie and 'aspies never lie' didn't fit our circumstances. Toni

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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Oh my!! My son Jake WILL NOT lie for anything! He cannot keep even the smallest secret. He tells us everything and we know to believe him as he has never lied, NEVER!

I thought this was a common Aspie trait?????

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In a message dated 11/22/2007 9:36:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, kbtoni@... writes:

Is it because our kids are older that they lie? or we are just the two worst parents? JUST KIDDING!!! I don't understand, how come I didn't get the honesty part wahwahwah... Toni

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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LOL....Well Jake, my Aspie, cannot lie, but my daughter will lie about EVERYTHING! She is not an Aspie. She comes up with the most outrageous stories, she's only 4, and Jake calls her on it every time.

Jake has tried to lie, and we just give him a "look" and he starts grinning. We know to go to him with things to find out the truth, whether it be school issues, sister issues, or what not. I tell you it's hysterical!

Yes, Toni I have been quiet lately I am still here though just been lurking. LOTS going on!

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In a message dated 11/22/2007 10:07:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, kbtoni@... writes:

I'm jealous! It is a common trait, but unfortunately mine didn't get 'that' one. They used to say they didn't have homework or had it and turned it in and then when progress reports came out we saw how many missing homework assignments got zeros. that is one of the reasons n quit school, he did great on tests but didn't turn in homework, because it was a waste of his time, and got zeros which brought some of his grades to failing..that and the anxiety and depression. All you parents that have truthful aspies, count your blessings.. Not that I'm not counting mine today and everyday too. I am VERY blessed, I just don't have truthful aspies...but it could be worse. Toni (Good to hear from you Tracey!!!)

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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Is it because our kids are older that they lie? or we are just the two worst parents? JUST KIDDING!!! I don't understand, how come I didn't get the honesty part wahwahwah... Toni

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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It must be something they learn as they grow , maybe because they are aspies and they lie and

manipulate because they don't have the skills to cope with other people...they are probably pedalling

uphill their whole lives with the wind in their face :-(

hugs

brenda

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Author Ben

From: kbtoni@...Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:35:41 -0500Subject: Re: ( ) Aspies can't lie???

Is it because our kids are older that they lie? or we are just the two worst parents? JUST KIDDING!!! I don't understand, how come I didn't get the honesty part wahwahwah... Toni

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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I'm jealous! It is a common trait, but unfortunately mine didn't get 'that' one. They used to say they didn't have homework or had it and turned it in and then when progress reports came out we saw how many missing homework assignments got zeros. that is one of the reasons n quit school, he did great on tests but didn't turn in homework, because it was a waste of his time, and got zeros which brought some of his grades to failing..that and the anxiety and depression. All you parents that have truthful aspies, count your blessings.. Not that I'm not counting mine today and everyday too. I am VERY blessed, I just don't have truthful aspies...but it could be worse. Toni (Good to hear from you Tracey!!!)

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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yep, maybe I should call them on it more often too... hugs back at ya Toni

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My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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In a message dated 11/23/2007 4:29:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, jrisjs@... writes:

Is it because our kids are older that they lie? or we are just the two worst parents? J

I guess I'm up there with worst parent ever. And my Aspie lies more than a politician, it's incredible, even when confronted with the evidence, it's excuses, alibis, blame, and finally a tearful confession.

It's to the point I never believe a word he says anymore.

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If you're talking about bad parents,,,,,please don't forget me. Ha ha.Toni <kbtoni@...> wrote: Is it because our kids are older that they lie? or we are just the two worst parents? JUST KIDDING!!! I don't understand, how come I didn't get the honesty part wahwahwah... Toni ( ) girls w/ AS My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher,

had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over.

She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical

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Hi all,

My son is 14. I have witnessed some manipulative (not malicious)

behavior, such as telling me that he has no homework because he truly

believes that he doesn't or wants to not have any. I think that a lot

of what we consider to be " lies " is actually the Asperger kid not

being able to tell wishful thinking from reality. Sometimes my son

has his mind so set on something that he actually believes that it

will happen. For instance, if he wants to have pizza at the end of

the week to celebrate " a good week " , he will actually tell people

that we are going for pizza, when in fact, this is not the case. If

my normal daughter and my son are questioned about something that

occurred around the house, my daughter can usually come up with more

of an elaborate story than my son, who will simply reply " I don't

know. " He is aware of the consequences of his actions, as is she, but

can't quite get the story down. After all, he is a " fact " person. In

my experience, to get the right answer, one must ask the right

question. They are totally baffled by generalized questions, so I

usually get straight to the point of what I want to know. I have to

ask if there is homework in each class, directly, if he did something

(which one of you did this? does not work). It's just the way it is,

and I accept that. I think that there are quite a few Asperger's kids

out there that just believe because they want something to be true,

that it is, not that they are trying to lie.

Mel

>

> Oh my!! My son Jake WILL NOT lie for anything! He cannot keep

even the

> smallest secret. He tells us everything and we know to believe

him as he has

> never lied, NEVER!

>

> I thought this was a common Aspie trait?????

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> In a message dated 11/22/2007 9:36:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> kbtoni@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Is it because our kids are older that they lie? or we are just the

two worst

> parents? JUST KIDDING!!! I don't understand, how come I didn't get

the

> honesty part wahwahwah...Is Toni

>

> ( ) girls w/ AS

>

>

>

> My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9

y.o.

> DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different

symptoms.

> I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the

Whale

> (I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?

>

> Here she is in a nutshell...

>

> **Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about

4,

> then again recently.

>

> **Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 month

> period during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and her

> teacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her,

to

> the point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning,

with

> lots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me,

having

> to be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the

classroom.

> Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few

months

> (maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)

>

> **Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced

by a

> fixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts about

> LOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, she

> talks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them

by

> name.

>

> **Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She draws

> them, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs

for

> more shoes.

>

> **High IQ, great in school, she has lots of " school friends " but

> rarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in a

> public school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her new

> favorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us

crazy.

>

> **She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.

>

> **She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my son

> with AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit

her.

>

> **Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as

severe

> as DS.

>

> **Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only

reacts to

> discomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way,

even

> as a toddler falling down all the time.

>

> **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to

learn

> and she got really, really, really angry many times during the

process.

>

> **Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is

doing

> pretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical

therapy.

>

> I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similarities

> will come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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This sounds just like my 14 year old daughter, too! I read it to her and she said it's true! LOL!!

Deb

In a message dated 11/24/2007 8:41:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, madideas@... writes:

LOL. The "homework" lie is classic because I think some of these guys do not see the point in doing the homework to begin with. They learn, just like anyone would, that it is easier to say, "I did it" than to admit one has work to do. I think it's less to do with being a bad parent and more to do with having kids that have figured out how this works to their advantage. lol

Also, I sometimes have felt that my kids have no earthly clue if they have homework or not! They didn't pay attention when it was being handed out or they immediately thought, "I'm not doing that" and so to them, they DON'T have any homework. The homework was assigned to all those other kids. <g> Again, that goes back to my last post about "perspective taking" skills. I know my now 18 yo would say he "did it at school" a lot of the times. Now, he didn't "FINISH" it at school, lol. But he did work on it at school. And so to him, once he was home, he was done with school.

RoxannaAutism Happens

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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It is an odd statement. But mostly I feel it should be said that they don't see the reason for lying. IOW, they lack the social skills to use lying tactics. So if you ask how your dress looks, they don't say it looks great to spare your feelings because they don't even think about your feelings. They will just tell you how they actually feel regardless.

I don't think it is an absolute either. We all have different "shades" of lying at our disposal. You know, we use "white lies" to spare someone's feelings, we might lie to protect ourselves from punishment (i.e. lying about having homework or who broke a window) or we lie to decieve someone else. People with AS/HFA are not stagnant in development and so they will pick up the tricks of lying depending upon their awareness of other people - that "theory of mind" element.

Also, lying is useful in having friends when you think about it. If one always tells the truth, who wants to play with him? lol. People want to be part of the group, meaning that they might alter their feelings/beliefs to belong. They will not want to hurt their friends feelings, meaning they will lie to not do that at times. There is just a give and take and like all "skills" - this is just one more skill that these kids need to practice. Plus lying comes with "rules" - you should tell the truth at times, even when it means you will get punished and some kids lack the social maturity to do that. They may realize that admitting the truth will get them punished and so they don't tell the truth in a way to "self protect" themselves. Well, all of these shades of grey mean a lot of thinking and a lot of social skill "aptitude" to know when one should and shouldn't and how to lie and why to lie and when lying is wrong, etc.

Then you have to also consider their lack of perspective taking skills - another thing that can be worked on and varies with all people, ASD or not. For example, my 11 yo, hfa, will say, "I didn't do it!" when we know he did just because in his "view" of things, he really didn't do it if someone else "made" him do it. He will say things like, "Ryder made my temper lose control!" and so he feels that this was entirely his brother's fault and not his at all. He has trouble "owning" control of his own emotions. So this is another kind of lying that is due to problems with perspective taking. It is amazing to me that he can be so intelligent and yet, have so much trouble putting this kind of situation into place. ahhh, all the joys.

So I think that instead of saying they can't lie or never lie, it would be more appropriate, IMO, to say that they lack the social skills to use lying. That is something that can be taught, of course. And some will pick it up faster than others. Some may never get the hang of it. It all depends on their ability to see the purpose for doing it and then being able to carry it out. I would also say that these skills are all things that NT kids are practicing from the very beginning!

RoxannaAutism Happens

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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LOL. The "homework" lie is classic because I think some of these guys do not see the point in doing the homework to begin with. They learn, just like anyone would, that it is easier to say, "I did it" than to admit one has work to do. I think it's less to do with being a bad parent and more to do with having kids that have figured out how this works to their advantage. lol

Also, I sometimes have felt that my kids have no earthly clue if they have homework or not! They didn't pay attention when it was being handed out or they immediately thought, "I'm not doing that" and so to them, they DON'T have any homework. The homework was assigned to all those other kids. <g> Again, that goes back to my last post about "perspective taking" skills. I know my now 18 yo would say he "did it at school" a lot of the times. Now, he didn't "FINISH" it at school, lol. But he did work on it at school. And so to him, once he was home, he was done with school.

RoxannaAutism Happens

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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sounds like my kids minus the tearful confession...sigh...especially the blame part Toni

Re: ( ) Aspies can't lie???

In a message dated 11/23/2007 4:29:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, jrisjs writes:

Is it because our kids are older that they lie? or we are just the two worst parents? JI guess I'm up there with worst parent ever. And my Aspie lies more than a politician, it's incredible, even when confronted with the evidence, it's excuses, alibis, blame, and finally a tearful confession.It's to the point I never believe a word he says anymore.Barbara in NJ"We learned more from a three minute record baby than we ever learned in school"Bruce Springsteen, No Surrender

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I never thought about the fact that they knew ahead of time they weren't doing their homework so they considered it as not having any, but it does make sense in a weird way... I know for a fact that my boys thought homework was a waste of their time and when they were home, it was HOME time and not school time, so getting any work done at home was out of the question... NOW if we could've gotten the 'special ed' teacher (what a joke) to make sure they did it in study hall, then maybe we wouldn't have paid all that money to the school and still had n drop out because of grades. Still so much to learn about 'their' thinking....sigh... Toni

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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We've gone through the same thing with homework with both boys. Do you have homework? No. Did Ms. Teacher give you a paper to do at home? Yes. or Did Ms. Teacher tell you to read something at home? yes.

I agree that they can't purposefully lie. They believe whatever they are telling you. I've often told the teachers and others that "his perception is total reality to him because he doesn't realize that other people might have a different perception of the situation." He still doesn't understand that other folks even have an opinion on the situation, much less that it might be different!

So for now, I've learned to ask very specific questions. It is almost like a cross-examination in the courtroom to get to what we need to know!

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-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ToniSent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: ( ) Aspies can't lie???

I never thought about the fact that they knew ahead of time they weren't doing their homework so they considered it as not having any, but it does make sense in a weird way... I know for a fact that my boys thought homework was a waste of their time and when they were home, it was HOME time and not school time, so getting any work done at home was out of the question... NOW if we could've gotten the 'special ed' teacher (what a joke) to make sure they did it in study hall, then maybe we wouldn't have paid all that money to the school and still had n drop out because of grades. Still so much to learn about 'their' thinking....sigh... Toni

( ) girls w/ AS

My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run.

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Don't you forget it, either, woman. Toni <kbtoni@...> wrote: You are a GREAT parent Robin! and don't you forget it! ( ) girls w/ AS My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even

though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends"

butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it

has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run. Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! Have fun while connecting on Messenger! Click here to learn more. Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile. Try it now.

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What I meant was,,,,,don't forget that YOU are a great one, too. Hee hee. Not,,,,,"don't forget that I'm a great one"....ha ha. I'm a dorkweed. Toni <kbtoni@...> wrote: You are a GREAT parent Robin! and don't you forget it! ( ) girls w/ AS My son is the one dx'd with AS, but now I'm wondering about my 9 y.o.DD as well. I read on this board that girls show different symptoms.I also was noticing the difference in the movie Mozart and the Whale(I heard it was accurate, I don't know). What about girls?Here she is in a nutshell...**Angry, severe tantrums at

times, particularly when she was about 4,then again recently.**Severe separation anxiety at <6 months, then again for a 3 monthperiod during 2nd grade. Even though she loved school and herteacher, had friends there, etc, she didn't want me to leave her, tothe point of holding onto me for a very long time each morning, withlots of crying, running into the parking lot to stay with me, havingto be bear hugged by the teacher's aid to keep her in the classroom. Weepy to happy to angry for no apparent reason for the past few months(maybe just hormones...? I hope, and not bipolar disorder!)**Fixation on sea animals and mermaids for a few years, replaced by afixation on dogs for the past year. She has memorized facts aboutLOTS of dog breeds. The dogs at the dog park are her friends, shetalks about them like they are old pals, and remembers all of them byname.**Shoe fetish! Maybe that just comes from being a

girl. She drawsthem, designs them, tries them on every time we go shopping, begs formore shoes.**High IQ, great in school, she has lots of "school friends" butrarely asks for friends to come over. She is artistic, and is in apublic school with an arts emphasis. African drumming is her newfavorite subject and her constant drumming is kind of driving us crazy.**She doesn't have much empathy for anyone, kind of self-centered.**She is fine with eye contact, and she is not as honest as my sonwith AS. I read somewhere that aspies can't lie. That doesn't fit her.**Chewing on EVERYTHING, a few food texture problems but not as severeas DS.**Craving sensory experiences, seems to not feel pain. Only reacts todiscomfort if she is really tired. She has always been that way, evenas a toddler falling down all the time. **She can ride a bike, unlike my son, but it took her a while to learnand she got

really, really, really angry many times during the process.**Lacks athletic skills, but she is going to gymnastics and is doingpretty well. For both kids, it has been kind of like physical therapy.I'm beginning to read Attwood's book, so I'm sure more similaritieswill come to me, but it's dinner time so I've gotta run. Send a smile, make someone laugh, have some fun! Start now! Have fun while connecting on Messenger! Click here to learn more.

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