Re: [enzymes]Lena/was: 5 year shots

[Guest guest]

Thank you , guess I was just hoping they made the shots safe now.

I havent a problem arguing my girls safety, just like to hand over PROOF

so I leave there with them THINKING about what I said and what they read!

Guess what I try to do is inform and stand up for kids who are needlessly

harmed. Not sure if the statement I have to sign will be done at the ped

office or at the health department. I know when I went to get my sons 7th

grade

shot, they said I had to get a letter from the health department AFTER TALKING

TO A NURSE and only if SHE decided I had a valid issue. Which going in

there I thought gosh religion is probably the easiest route, but needless to

say we got there and I allowed my 12 year old to receive a shot that I didn't

feel would harm him (hes typical and never really has gotten sick in his life

so far, extremely smart etc, but I left thinking omg what an awesome kid,

what if I just agreed to ruin his life. SO no more shots for this family,

just in case.

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Lena

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[Guest guest]

I am in Florida, now that is just what the school told me (about the

nurse has to decide after our talk) Guess I will find out when we go for

her

well child check in June.

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Lena

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[Guest guest]

You most likely will not convince the ped. He/she is unlikely to look at

anything and all of a sudden acknowledge that he/she is doing something that

harms a number of kids.

IMO, don't argue or explain, it makes it seem like you are asking for

permission or understanding that you will not likely get. Just calmly and

assertively state your position, it is your child, you have a right to make

informed medical choices for her, whether others agree with it or not.

5 year shots

Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need

knowledge on them. She has had all her shots so far, shes not autistic,

but she has a chromosome disorder that they blame on the lack of speech,

attention problems, constipation epilesy etc etc etc I like to go

into the ped with printed out INFORMATION in hand so that I dont have to

argue or get upset, just hand him the paper work and say READ THIS PLEASE.

I did have second thoughts on past shots and they convinced me that she

needed them saying its like having a seat belt on when u crash, u might

never crash but IF u do having the seat belt on is an advantage u dont wanna

miss. So, then though alot of her problems started around the age of 9

months, and the " chromosome duplication " showed up shortly there after, I am

unsure what has caused her problems (only 2 other children we can find in

the world with simular duplications are NOT like my dd, they have feeding

tubes cant walk etc etc) compared to them, my dd is next to normal which

tends to make me believe the duplication shut itself off (which they said

normally happens) sooooo whats her problems stim from? Her urine test

showed high in antimony and aluminum, so I am leary of shots.... Although

they blame both on her at the time mouthing everything, even finding

deodrant and eating it.

Anyways, whats the update on the " starting school " shots?

Thanks so much!

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Lena

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[Guest guest]

Hi !

Oh the birthday party was awesome! My 1/2 acre yard was full of kids

having a blast. I even rented a popcorn machine so the adults had a blast

around

that haha. Wish u and ur kids could have made it. But I totally

understand new hours. Really stinks u are gonna miss out on showers.

I am gonna call Acosta tomorrow and ask for the titers check (is that blood

work or urine or what?) How do u exactly say that, tie ters? Hate when I

sound like I dont know what I am saying when I call to request something.

Hes never told me no on anything. Actually I am calling because I still cant

get her constipation under control. I want them to scan her, we have tried

everything even lactose and miralax and adult doses at that, shes never had

what I would consider " comfortable movements " her eyes even turned blood

red and she strains sooooo hard. Keep in mind she just turned 5 and we have

been going thru this since she was 6 months old. That crock in Orlando the

GI can NO LONGER tell me shes holding it in, shes NOT! I want to take her

to someone else. Heck anyone else, I can always say um we tried that. I

just cant get why she drinks sooooooooo much and runs to the potty saying

poopoo then only gets like 3 little balls out. Its like water isnt getting

there

to help out. I am also getting concerned that shes still so darn pale. We

spend atleast 2 hours outside daily. Currently I have her on 1 tablet of

DMG 1 caplet of Omega Complete 3-6-9 (not the kid one) I have stopped

the calcuim,mag, zinc, and recently started giving her more orange juice for

the vitamin C. Shes actually doing pretty good in school and we are up to

about 20+ words (cant fully understand them unless ur in the situation like

shes running to the toilet poopoo u can tell shes saying poopoo then.

And I believe they have decided to put her in the regular class next year with

an assistance for like 3-4 special needs kids like her just as the comfort of

keeping them on track!! Awesome improvements I tell ya! But theres

still things holding her back. I think I am gonna go ahead use more of that

PCM-rx that we had her on last summer. Seemed it was pulling stuff out and I

have half a bottle left. That and bioguard. Just to see what we get then.

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Lena

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[Guest guest]

Yes, wish they were safe also, getting geared up with our religious

exemption and praying noone kicks up too much of a fuss.

What state are you in that leaves a nurse decide? That is new to me.

We are going to stand firm. No more vaccinations. The only thing that

probably saved ours from total dissimation was she got her MMR late, at 2.2

years.

I wish you luck,

Re: Lena/was: 5 year shots

> Thank you , guess I was just hoping they made the shots safe

> now.

> I havent a problem arguing my girls safety, just like to hand over PROOF

> so I leave there with them THINKING about what I said and what they read!

> Guess what I try to do is inform and stand up for kids who are needlessly

> harmed. Not sure if the statement I have to sign will be done at the

> ped

> office or at the health department. I know when I went to get my sons

> 7th grade

> shot, they said I had to get a letter from the health department AFTER

> TALKING

> TO A NURSE and only if SHE decided I had a valid issue. Which going in

> there I thought gosh religion is probably the easiest route, but

> needless to

> say we got there and I allowed my 12 year old to receive a shot that I

> didn't

> feel would harm him (hes typical and never really has gotten sick in his

> life

> so far, extremely smart etc, but I left thinking omg what an awesome

> kid,

> what if I just agreed to ruin his life. SO no more shots for this

> family,

> just in case.

> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

> Lena

> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am with , totally. I have met this doctor unless you have changed and

he isn't going to believe you. He all but laughed at me when I started talking

to him about homeopathy. Just be thankful that he will agree to see

unvaccinated kids. Most in this area won't. I started taking two of my kids to

a peds in Orlando. Franz is her last name and she is also a homeopath.

You may be able to get him to run titers on her. 95% of kids are still immune

at this time anyway. I just know I wouldn't vaccinate. Not worth the risk.

Getting a religious waver is easy. Just go to the health department and ask for

one. Take her birth certificate, they are supposed to ask for it but they

didn't ask me. It is as simple as that. They can't ask you questions and they

can't say no. I will go with you if you want!

How was your daughter's birthday party??? I am sorry about me working. I

just got this shift and can't take off for anything for awhile or it can be

given away. I am missing showers for three of my friends because of it as well.

Take care of yourself!!

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

You most likely will not convince the ped. He/she is unlikely to look at

anything and all of a sudden acknowledge that he/she is doing something that

harms a number of kids.

IMO, don't argue or explain, it makes it seem like you are asking for

permission or understanding that you will not likely get. Just calmly and

assertively state your position, it is your child, you have a right to make

informed medical choices for her, whether others agree with it or not.

5 year shots

Ok, My 5yo goes in her for Kindergarten shots this June and I need

knowledge on them. She has had all her shots so far, shes not autistic,

but she has a chromosome disorder that they blame on the lack of speech,

attention problems, constipation epilesy etc etc etc I like to go

into the ped with printed out INFORMATION in hand so that I dont have to

argue or get upset, just hand him the paper work and say READ THIS PLEASE.

I did have second thoughts on past shots and they convinced me that she

needed them saying its like having a seat belt on when u crash, u might

never crash but IF u do having the seat belt on is an advantage u dont wanna

miss. So, then though alot of her problems started around the age of 9

months, and the " chromosome duplication " showed up shortly there after, I am

unsure what has caused her problems (only 2 other children we can find in

the world with simular duplications are NOT like my dd, they have feeding

tubes cant walk etc etc) compared to them, my dd is next to normal which

tends to make me believe the duplication shut itself off (which they said

normally happens) sooooo whats her problems stim from? Her urine test

showed high in antimony and aluminum, so I am leary of shots.... Although

they blame both on her at the time mouthing everything, even finding

deodrant and eating it.

Anyways, whats the update on the " starting school " shots?

Thanks so much!

¶*:._.:*¶*:._.:*¶

Lena

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[Guest guest]

My 12 year old daughter had grand mal epilepsy after receiving her

mumps shot. And that wasn't even the MMR, which didn't exist then.

Don't bother trying to convert the health dept. They will only tell

you they are the health authorities, not you. But YOU are the

authority on your religion, and they cannot take your rights away

there. Especially in FL. Mississippi...that may be different.

Peace

Kathy E.

On Mar 21, 2006, at 1:58 PM, cbfllady@... wrote:

> Thank you , guess I was just hoping they made the shots

> safe now.

> I havent a problem arguing my girls safety, just like to hand

> over PROOF

> so I leave there with them THINKING about what I said and what

> they read!

> Guess what I try to do is inform and stand up for kids who are

> needlessly

> harmed. Not sure if the statement I have to sign will be done

> at the ped

> office or at the health department. I know when I went to get my

> sons 7th grade

> shot, they said I had to get a letter from the health department

> AFTER TALKING

> TO A NURSE and only if SHE decided I had a valid issue. Which

> going in

> there I thought gosh religion is probably the easiest route, but

> needless to

> say we got there and I allowed my 12 year old to receive a shot

> that I didn't

> feel would harm him (hes typical and never really has gotten sick

> in his life

> so far, extremely smart etc, but I left thinking omg what an

> awesome kid,

> what if I just agreed to ruin his life. SO no more shots for

> this family,

> just in case.

> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

> Lena

> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How terrible, Kathleen! Did she ever have another seizure post the mumps

immunization?

Re: Lena/was: 5 year shots

> My 12 year old daughter had grand mal epilepsy after receiving her

> mumps shot. And that wasn't even the MMR, which didn't exist then.

> Don't bother trying to convert the health dept. They will only tell

> you they are the health authorities, not you. But YOU are the

> authority on your religion, and they cannot take your rights away

> there. Especially in FL. Mississippi...that may be different.

>

> Peace

> Kathy E.

> On Mar 21, 2006, at 1:58 PM, cbfllady@... wrote:

>

>> Thank you , guess I was just hoping they made the shots

>> safe now.

>> I havent a problem arguing my girls safety, just like to hand

>> over PROOF

>> so I leave there with them THINKING about what I said and what

>> they read!

>> Guess what I try to do is inform and stand up for kids who are

>> needlessly

>> harmed. Not sure if the statement I have to sign will be done

>> at the ped

>> office or at the health department. I know when I went to get my

>> sons 7th grade

>> shot, they said I had to get a letter from the health department

>> AFTER TALKING

>> TO A NURSE and only if SHE decided I had a valid issue. Which

>> going in

>> there I thought gosh religion is probably the easiest route, but

>> needless to

>> say we got there and I allowed my 12 year old to receive a shot

>> that I didn't

>> feel would harm him (hes typical and never really has gotten sick

>> in his life

>> so far, extremely smart etc, but I left thinking omg what an

>> awesome kid,

>> what if I just agreed to ruin his life. SO no more shots for

>> this family,

>> just in case.

>> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

>> Lena

>> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

>>Actually I am calling because I still cant

> get her constipation under control.

Constipation ideas

http://www.danasview.net/constip.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana, I have tried Magnesiums, Vit C, mineral oil, miralax, lactose, Candex,

OoO, epstom baths, probotics, pcm-rx etc and TONS of water and watered down

juices. The girl drinks like a fish all day up till about 7pm! As an infant

they taught me how to remove it, shes took big and capable for that now. Any

other ideas?

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Lena

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Re: Lena/was: 5 year shots

>>Actually I am calling because I still cant

> get her constipation under control.

Constipation ideas

http://www.danasview.net/constip.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Ignore anything the nurse tells you, the nurse at our pediatricians'

office tried to tell us that they wouldn't let him go to school

without them. It is the County Health Department where you get the

exemption. (BTW, the pediatrician was on our side :-).

Then when we took the exemption form I think it is 681 to the IEP,

the special ed rep said, " I never saw one of these before! " I said,

Now you did.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Mar 21, 2006, at 2:34 PM, cbfllady@... wrote:

> I am in Florida, now that is just what the school told me

> (about the

> nurse has to decide after our talk) Guess I will find out when

> we go for her

> well child check in June.

>

> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

> Lena

> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, she did, several more and then some parti-complex seizures while

she was in high school. She had to take anti-convulsant medications

for several years after that, but finally recovered on daily extra

B6. It put off her learning to drive and getting her first driver's

license into her mid-20s.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Mar 22, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Cochran wrote:

> How terrible, Kathleen! Did she ever have another seizure post the

> mumps

> immunization?

>

>

>

>

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> Dana, I have tried Magnesiums, Vit C, mineral oil, miralax,

lactose, Candex, OoO, epstom baths, probotics, pcm-rx etc and TONS

of water and watered down juices. The girl drinks like a fish all day

up till about 7pm! As an infant they taught me how to remove it,

shes took big and capable for that now. Any other ideas?

Does she eat constipating foods like milk, rice, bananas, apples, wheat?

How much vitamin C and/or magnesium have you given, and did you give

those doses of both at the same time?

What supplements do you give? Any biotin, EFAs, selenium, calcium?

Ever tried GSE? Enzymes? Anti-virals?

Dana

[Guest guest]

HI Lena -- I'm searching the old messages [i-)] for other people with

similar kids. My son and your daughter sound very similar. Have you

had any success lately?

> >>Actually I am calling because I still cant

> > get her constipation under control.

>

>

>

> Constipation ideas

>

> http://www.danasview.net/constip.htm

>

> Dana

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there, we have had some yes. Shes up to about 40 words now (not

perfect sounding but we understand her) Attention span has improved alot.

Still

working on the constipation (but its better than ever)

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Lena

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