Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 Hello again. This is really confusing, but please hang in there with me! We have been trying to get this equation right since June, when we started the GFCF diet for our son. After three months, we thought we had nearly cured our kid, then he began to get worse and worse and after 4 weeks it was like it almost never happened. We kept up with the diet, and then I read about enzymes. First we decided to challenge the diet, so around Thanksgiving and Christmas - about a month total we went off the diet, and he was definitely worse. Before we put him Back on the diet (which we were sure was at least doing something, though not giving us the same benefit we originally had) we did two things. We ran the peptide test (both were high, gliadomorphi VERY high) and we decided to try enzymes instead. We used Houston AFP for a good four weeks before deciding that it would not work in place of the GFCF diet. I wonder a few things though. I wonder if were consistent enough. I know we missed his school snack everyday - though it was a GFCF snack. I wonder if we tried long enough. I also wondered if you get better results after being GFCF for a long while - and then challenge with enzymes gradually. So, I know that we are still experimenting like the rest of you. He will stay GFCF maybe until this summer, when I'll try challenging gradually with enzymes. I wonder, have any of you who use enzymes in place of diet had the peptide test run to see if there is a difference there? That would be awesome info to have. In fact, maybe we'll try that this summer. So many variables. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Posted March 10, 2006 We do the diet along with the enzymes, and we avoid BHT, food dyes, and dextrose. This has helped us greatly. I think if you read DeFelice's book you'd have more confidence with what you're seeing and doing. We had the same experience with the diet, it worked for awhile, but my son became intolerant to more and more foods. At one point, the low point, we were down to pork, chicken, white rice, water and salt and pepper to taste, 3 meals a day. It was awful. After the adjustment to enzymes, approx. 2 mo. for all three enzymes to be introduced to his system and level out, we were able to add back a number of foods, some that I'd just plain given up on, are now back in his food repertoire, like bananas, popcorn, things that before would just send him into orbit. We added one food at a time, and each beverage counted as one challenge, they get absorbed a lot quicker than food so they're actually even harsher of a challenge. It took about a year, and the GFCF diet was working pretty darn well again, but, here's the big But, we couldn't and still can't do BHT, Dextrose or most food dyes. Every kid is different, and the only thing that helps is being vigilant with a food diary. It will help you track patterns, and you will learn what things don't go together, for us, most carbs need, absolutely need a protein, so like GFCF pretzels are okay, with peanut butter. However, peanuts alone, no good, can't handle them. So, it's not peanuts that are a no-no, but the form that matters. It seems like a lot of work, but once you start seeing long lasting results, and you're not counting every morsel your kid consumes, and the dark circles under the eyes go away, and they're gaining weight and energy, and the moodiness disappears, and bowel movements level out, etc. It becomes second nature. Good luck to you, we'll all cheer you on as you work through this. Diet and/or Enzymes Hello again. This is really confusing, but please hang in there with me! We have been trying to get this equation right since June, when we started the GFCF diet for our son. After three months, we thought we had nearly cured our kid, then he began to get worse and worse and after 4 weeks it was like it almost never happened. We kept up with the diet, and then I read about enzymes. First we decided to challenge the diet, so around Thanksgiving and Christmas - about a month total we went off the diet, and he was definitely worse. Before we put him Back on the diet (which we were sure was at least doing something, though not giving us the same benefit we originally had) we did two things. We ran the peptide test (both were high, gliadomorphi VERY high) and we decided to try enzymes instead. We used Houston AFP for a good four weeks before deciding that it would not work in place of the GFCF diet. I wonder a few things though. I wonder if were consistent enough. I know we missed his school snack everyday - though it was a GFCF snack. I wonder if we tried long enough. I also wondered if you get better results after being GFCF for a long while - and then challenge with enzymes gradually. So, I know that we are still experimenting like the rest of you. He will stay GFCF maybe until this summer, when I'll try challenging gradually with enzymes. I wonder, have any of you who use enzymes in place of diet had the peptide test run to see if there is a difference there? That would be awesome info to have. In fact, maybe we'll try that this summer. So many variables. Quote
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Posted March 11, 2006 > and after 4 weeks it was like it almost never happened. I wonder if he became intolerant to one of the other foods he was eating? That's what happened to my son with rice. He is also intolerant of all legumes, buckwheat, wild rice, quinoa, amaranth...etc. My son also developed a massive yeast problem with all the starch and sugar in his GFCF diet. Both my kids struggle with yeast still. I would look into that. My son is still CF and off most other types of grains besides gluten, and my daughter is very low gluten/dairy (ideally she should be GFCF probably.) But there can be other intolerances as well as other problems contributing to the behaviors......yeast, bacteria, deficiencies, reactions to supplements or new food intolerances. One thing you can consider is rotating foods on GFCF, so that he doesn't build up an intolerance to other grains. Amy Quote
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