Re: Raw Milk Update

[Guest guest]

Ash -

Yeah we love our juicer

BUT

They are a royal nasty pain to clean (at least ours is)

AND you have to make sure you drink whatever you juice right away -

otherwise it degrades. I am impressed you've been using it regularly. We

can only manage it on weekends when my husband is home!!

We have the " Juiceman " and it came with about 8 cassettes and 3 books!!

Glad to hear the raw milk experiment is going well

Josie

You guys have to get a juicer!

The combination of this and the natural milk is making a huge

difference or at least it has since last Wednesday.

Have a great week!

Ash

[Guest guest]

> You guys have to get a juicer!

> The combination of this and the natural milk is making a huge

> difference or at least it has since last Wednesday.

>

> Have a great week!

> Ash

That's so funny. I was just talking to dh yesterday about getting a

juicer. What brand do you have?

[Guest guest]

On Feb 6, 2006, at 12:35 PM, hanjkyla wrote:

> That's so funny. I was just talking to dh yesterday about getting a

> juicer. What brand do you have?

>

>

Hi, . Not Ash, but it gets even funnier, because last week,

after extensive research, I ordered a juicer for our family, the

greatest juicer I could find (it's won prestigious awards around the

world): the Green Star.

It can do everything from watermelon to wheatgrass, and has some

really state-of-the-art features in the revolutionary design of the

twin gears and the fact that they have magnets in them which are

surrounded with bioceramic material which generates and radiates far

infrared energy. If this sounds " far out, " that's just because it's

not commonplace yet, but it's cutting-edge technology. In short, it

all makes for cooler temperatures, allowing greater enzyme retention

of the juice, plus it extracts more mineral nutrients from the

produce, and helps keep them in " a suspended colloidal form the body

can use, for a longer length of time. " You can read all about it on

the web, if you want.

The Green Star can also make nut butters, baby food, frozen fruit

treats, and all that, plus you can get extra parts for pasta making,

etc. I wanted something that would get green leafy vegetables, with

all their great bio-available alkaline minerals, into my family

without having to steam them (kale, especially), as we're wanting to

eat predominantly raw foods. Those really green veggies aren't the

most popular for salads, and my guys haven't warmed up to the concept

of " krauts " or kim chee. (Which is fine with me, 'cause I'm not ready

to take that on, yet! I'm still working up to ordering kefir grains

to start making coconut kefir!

Anyway, our juicer just arrived--we haven't even tried it, yet (so I

can't tell you if it's as quiet as the book claims!)! I found the

best price at:

http://www.2-life.com/

They're located in Oregon. They didn't publish the price on the

internet--you have to email or call--but they were very prompt and

very nice, and trust me, I'm an experienced comparison shopper on the

web, and I'm very happy with this purchase. (And--just in case

anyone's wondering: no, I don't get anything if I send someone to

them. It's just a great juicer at a great price [around $350].

With very best wishes, and hoping this helps,

Lalita

[Guest guest]

-

I got a cheap one. They range in price, but I decided i wasn't able to

spend 99 bucks on one. Got one by Hamilton Beach at Wally world for 30

bucks. They also had the Juiceman one for 54 there. I figured I would

start out and see if he drank the juices and if we get into it, perhaps

upgrade in a year. They are difficult to clean, but I don't mind it at

all because the pay off is great!. Just get one of those small bristle

brushes to clean off the small fragments of pulp from the blade thingy,

it makes it way easier. I definitely recommend it. No more fighting

with my child over healthy foods and this way you can get a lot more

into them then you could by feeding it at the dinner table.

>

> > You guys have to get a juicer!

> > The combination of this and the natural milk is making a huge

> > difference or at least it has since last Wednesday.

> >

> > Have a great week!

> > Ash

>

> That's so funny. I was just talking to dh yesterday about getting a

> juicer. What brand do you have?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Though I am sure they exist, I think it is hard to find ANY kids who had

developmental delays of any kind who did not also have reflux/digestive

issues as infants (though plenty with reflux who did not have delays). They

do go hand in hand.

Honestly I think the vocal play explanation is probably a pretty weak one.

I think it probably has a lot more to do with immune function and

nutritional absorption. An enormous percentage of the immune system is in

the gut.

FWIW my daughter walked late (17.5 months) and had late onset of expressive

speech (31 months) though now speech is one of her biggest skill sets

(she'll be 4 in April) and her receptive was always phenomenal. She had

terrible reflux and food reactions - and we came to find out, leaky gut and

many nutritional deficiencies. When we started treating her immune system

as if she were autistic (ie we got a DAN doc, ran tests, supplemented the

kitchen sink) she got better. I remember though when she was past two years

of age. She couldn't say any real words but she could tell you what all of

the letters " said " (ie the sounds the letters make). She had known her

letters very early (14 months or so). She could fetch an " A " if you asked

her to go get one. And if you asked her what the " A " said she could say

" aah aaah aaah " but she could NOT for the life of her say " Ay " . This all

changed when we supplemented (fish oil, enzymes, probiotics, - and then

later amino acids, antioxidants, Brainchild, MB12 etc etc). Her

articulation is amazing now. Better than your 'average' 3-4 year old.

Josie

Raw Milk Update

Oh.... before I forget, can I just throw this in?..How many of your

kids had reflux as a baby? Avery had it pretty bad for a full year

and I suspect longer. Caused feeding issues and everything.

Recently I heard there might be a conncetion between reflux and

speech delay. His speech therapist and I discussed that it may have

affected vocal play. I think overall he was not developmentally

ready to speak until now, but now that he is ready, it's like the

sounds are not there because he didn't play with his voice until

now. Does that makes sense at all?

_____

[Guest guest]

I followed some of the raw milk discussion but not all of it as I couldn't

find any in town and was too busy to participate in everything. Now, my

favorite health food store here is carrying raw milk, raw cream and raw

colostrum and is going to carry raw cheese soon. I like to try some for me but

I am so skidish as I have become really intolerant of milk.

Also, how do I make raw milk Kefir. I know that it would defeat the purpose if

I heat the milk. I only can get Kefir started and not the grains

unfortunately.

Any ideas?

Thank you,

Haleh

[Guest guest]

Hi Haleh,

If you don't mind my asking, what health food store will be carrying

these products? I ordered some raw milk, raw kefir and raw butter

from Organic Pastures. I absolutely loved it! I haven't ordered more

because shipping was expensive!(a little over $20!) Hope all is well

with you and your family.

All the best,

, mom to Drake

>

> I followed some of the raw milk discussion but not all of it as I

couldn't

> find any in town and was too busy to participate in everything.

Now, my

> favorite health food store here is carrying raw milk, raw cream

and raw

> colostrum and is going to carry raw cheese soon. I like to try

some for me but

> I am so skidish as I have become really intolerant of milk.

> Also, how do I make raw milk Kefir. I know that it would defeat

the purpose if

> I heat the milk. I only can get Kefir started and not the grains

> unfortunately.

> Any ideas?

> Thank you,

> Haleh

>

[Guest guest]

If " vocal play " means just making sounds/using your voice, my son

did the most eerie verbal stims from infancy on through age 3 when

he became totally nonverbal. He played 18 hours a day with his

voice. He couldn't make a word with it til he was well into

chelation though.

With all due respect to speech pathologists trying to figure all

this out, it reminds me of people telling you to not pick up a

crying baby because " they need to exercise their lungs. "

For us reflux is related to yeast and mine (which caused almost

heart attack like pain for 20 years) has disappeared with No Fenol.

I can drink straight grapefruit juice even and things that would

have landed me practically in the emergency room, if I take No Fenol

with everything. This is after 20 years of singlehandedly

supporting the company that makes Pepcid AC, and most of the other

remedies. I am off all those things now. My kids also have

recovered from all their reflux symptoms with No Fenol & AFP

peptizyde (I assume because of it treating yeast) and for my

daughter, it enabled her to start talking to the point that she's

developmentally appropriate (age 5).

Amy

>

> Though I am sure they exist, I think it is hard to find ANY kids

who had

> developmental delays of any kind who did not also have

reflux/digestive

> issues as infants (though plenty with reflux who did not have

delays). They

> do go hand in hand.

>

> Honestly I think the vocal play explanation is probably a pretty

weak one.

> I think it probably has a lot more to do with immune function and

> nutritional absorption. An enormous percentage of the immune

system is in

> the gut.

>

> Oh.... before I forget, can I just throw this in?..How many of

your

> kids had reflux as a baby? Avery had it pretty bad for a full

year

> and I suspect longer. Caused feeding issues and everything.

> Recently I heard there might be a conncetion between reflux and

> speech delay. His speech therapist and I discussed that it may

have

> affected vocal play. I think overall he was not developmentally

> ready to speak until now, but now that he is ready, it's like the

> sounds are not there because he didn't play with his voice until

> now. Does that makes sense at all?

>

> _____

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cornucopia on the northwestern corner of Coffee and Floyd in a little strip

mall.

They also have a good selection of natural meats and sodium nitrate free

stuff, Purity Farm's ghee and alternative sugars like xylitol and date sugar.

Best,

Haleh

--- tracyrn1329 <tracyrn1329@...> wrote:

> Hi Haleh,

> If you don't mind my asking, what health food store will be carrying

> these products? I ordered some raw milk, raw kefir and raw butter

> from Organic Pastures. I absolutely loved it! I haven't ordered more

> because shipping was expensive!(a little over $20!) Hope all is well

> with you and your family.

>

> All the best,

> , mom to Drake

>

>

>

>

> >

> > I followed some of the raw milk discussion but not all of it as I

> couldn't

> > find any in town and was too busy to participate in everything.

> Now, my

> > favorite health food store here is carrying raw milk, raw cream

> and raw

> > colostrum and is going to carry raw cheese soon. I like to try

> some for me but

> > I am so skidish as I have become really intolerant of milk.

> > Also, how do I make raw milk Kefir. I know that it would defeat

> the purpose if

> > I heat the milk. I only can get Kefir started and not the grains

> > unfortunately.

> > Any ideas?

> > Thank you,

> > Haleh

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh I KNOW DS's reflux was yeast related. Nothing else. He had it

from day 1. He would not latch on the breast because of it. A sign

of yeast overgrowth. Supposedly nothing feels right in your mouth.

My speech therapist didn't mention the reflux connection, she just wa

telling me what some people think regarding the connection. She

didn't say one way or the other what she believed causes these

things, she just said basically " who knows. "

I just wanted to see for myself what role it might play. I know

another mom in my area who was told there is a connection by her

therapist.

> >

> > Though I am sure they exist, I think it is hard to find ANY kids

> who had

> > developmental delays of any kind who did not also have

> reflux/digestive

> > issues as infants (though plenty with reflux who did not have

> delays). They

> > do go hand in hand.

> >

> > Honestly I think the vocal play explanation is probably a pretty

> weak one.

> > I think it probably has a lot more to do with immune function and

> > nutritional absorption. An enormous percentage of the immune

> system is in

> > the gut.

> >

> > Oh.... before I forget, can I just throw this in?..How many of

> your

> > kids had reflux as a baby? Avery had it pretty bad for a full

> year

> > and I suspect longer. Caused feeding issues and everything.

> > Recently I heard there might be a conncetion between reflux and

> > speech delay. His speech therapist and I discussed that it may

> have

> > affected vocal play. I think overall he was not developmentally

> > ready to speak until now, but now that he is ready, it's like the

> > sounds are not there because he didn't play with his voice until

> > now. Does that makes sense at all?

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Haleh!

Cornucopia is about 5 minutes from my house! I go there often. Have

you checked out Trader Joes at all? They also have a pretty decent

selection of meats, etc. Not to mention TONS of organic foods at a

fraction of the cost.

All the best,

> > >

> > > I followed some of the raw milk discussion but not all of it

as I

> > couldn't

> > > find any in town and was too busy to participate in

everything.

> > Now, my

> > > favorite health food store here is carrying raw milk, raw

cream

> > and raw

> > > colostrum and is going to carry raw cheese soon. I like to try

> > some for me but

> > > I am so skidish as I have become really intolerant of milk.

> > > Also, how do I make raw milk Kefir. I know that it would

defeat

> > the purpose if

> > > I heat the milk. I only can get Kefir started and not the

grains

> > > unfortunately.

> > > Any ideas?

> > > Thank you,

> > > Haleh

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I do about 85% of our shopping from TJ's and then whatever I don't find

something there, I buy at cornucopia.

I am trying to support their business and they seem to have a variety of safe

sandwich meat (turkey breast) and other smoked stuff that is clean from sodium

nitrate and gluten. Between the two stores as well as glutenfreemall.com and

missroben.com, I can maintain a very challenging diet that has gotten even

more so.

Thank you for the thought. I hope you and Drake are doing awesome.

Haleh

--- tracyrn1329 <tracyrn1329@...> wrote:

> Thanks Haleh!

> Cornucopia is about 5 minutes from my house! I go there often. Have

> you checked out Trader Joes at all? They also have a pretty decent

> selection of meats, etc. Not to mention TONS of organic foods at a

> fraction of the cost.

>

> All the best,

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I followed some of the raw milk discussion but not all of it

> as I

> > > couldn't

> > > > find any in town and was too busy to participate in

> everything.

> > > Now, my

> > > > favorite health food store here is carrying raw milk, raw

> cream

> > > and raw

> > > > colostrum and is going to carry raw cheese soon. I like to try

> > > some for me but

> > > > I am so skidish as I have become really intolerant of milk.

> > > > Also, how do I make raw milk Kefir. I know that it would

> defeat

> > > the purpose if

> > > > I heat the milk. I only can get Kefir started and not the

> grains

> > > > unfortunately.

> > > > Any ideas?

> > > > Thank you,

> > > > Haleh

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have made raw milk kefir & yogurt for years. I get raw milk from OB People's

Coop - best organic food market in town! :-) I use glass (Pyrex) dishes to

heat the milk so slightly (just about to body temperature - test with finger) so

that I do not kill any enzymes and then continue according to follow the

instructions on the package (leaving out the bring to boil bit). I have a

double oven and only use the standard one so I put the kefir/yogurt in the other

oven to culture. Sometimes I will switch on the other oven for a few minutes

(not even to reach 135 degrees - the minimum on the dial) to take the chill out

of the oven (about 100 degrees) and allow the culture to happen naturally. I

seem to be able to make about 4-6 batches (1/2 gallon each batch) before having

to use another starter to get a better lot (For the others, I use about 1/2 cup

of the cultured kefir as the starter). Everyone that has tasted it loves it. I

use 1/2 gallon glass jars to culture it in the oven.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

RE: Raw Milk Update

I followed some of the raw milk discussion but not all of it as I couldn't

find any in town and was too busy to participate in everything. Now, my

favorite health food store here is carrying raw milk, raw cream and raw

colostrum and is going to carry raw cheese soon. I like to try some for me but

I am so skidish as I have become really intolerant of milk.

Also, how do I make raw milk Kefir. I know that it would defeat the purpose if

I heat the milk. I only can get Kefir started and not the grains

unfortunately.

Any ideas?

Thank you,

Haleh

[Guest guest]

OB Peoples ative in Ocean Beach - best organic food store in SD.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Are people taking enzymes until they can handle the raw kefir, or do

they often continue both concurrently for some reason?

Thanks,

Kate

>

> I have made raw milk kefir & yogurt for years. I get raw milk

from OB People's Coop - best organic food market in town! :-) I

use glass (Pyrex) dishes to heat the milk so slightly (just about to

body temperature - test with finger) so that I do not kill any

enzymes and then continue according to follow the instructions on

the package (leaving out the bring to boil bit). I have a double

oven and only use the standard one so I put the kefir/yogurt in the

other oven to culture. Sometimes I will switch on the other oven

for a few minutes (not even to reach 135 degrees - the minimum on

the dial) to take the chill out of the oven (about 100 degrees) and

allow the culture to happen naturally. I seem to be able to make

about 4-6 batches (1/2 gallon each batch) before having to use

another starter to get a better lot (For the others, I use about 1/2

cup of the cultured kefir as the starter). Everyone that has tasted

it loves it. I use 1/2 gallon glass jars to culture it in the oven.

> Best wishes and much love, Ken

>

> Ken Gullan

> Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424

> IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help

children with developmental difficulties.

> To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

>

> RE: Raw Milk Update

>

>

> I followed some of the raw milk discussion but not all of it as

I couldn't

> find any in town and was too busy to participate in everything.

Now, my

> favorite health food store here is carrying raw milk, raw cream

and raw

> colostrum and is going to carry raw cheese soon. I like to try

some for me but

> I am so skidish as I have become really intolerant of milk.

> Also, how do I make raw milk Kefir. I know that it would defeat

the purpose if

> I heat the milk. I only can get Kefir started and not the grains

> unfortunately.

> Any ideas?

> Thank you,

> Haleh

>

>

>

>