Re: Protocol high Vitamin A dose

March 6, 2006

We have done this about 4 weeks a go and wow, it has been so wonderful. More

alert child, less stimmy, much happier and much better immunity, more

connected to the world (perhaps a bit too much now, lol). He used to have

cyclical low level viral symptoms. that are just not there anymore. But we are

also giving Chisolm lab's Immune Factor #8, a Transfer factor that was

developed for ASD children to help with childhood diseases. My son has a very

high count of CMV that we are wording off with Immune Factor 8.

I loved " High Vitamin A Protocol " and ironically kept putting it off because

of fear of toxicity which is very very rare and in the case of symptoms of

toxicity, all you do is stop and it just leaves the system.

I highly recommend this intervention if your child has the biomarkers of viral

issues and regressed after the MMR.

Best,

Haleh

--- saraben24 <logie@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> Posting from Australia. I have just been recommended by our doctor to

> start our young boy (7 and a bit) on the protocol of high doses of

> Vitamin A (palmitate at 400,000IU) for two days and then maintenance

> doses (25,000IU) for a few days after.

> Could anyone tell me please if they've done this treatment and what

> effects (positive or negative) they had.

> Just incidentally, not sure whether we should have attempted

> chelation before commencing Vit A protocol. My boy shows (from recent

> hair analysis testing)very high levels of aluminium and moderately

> high levels of arsenic and cadminium. Mercury shows up but at small

> levels. Calcium is non-existent and has been for years in spite of

> aggressive supplementation of very good quality calcium.

> We've made good progress over the years but we've been stuck at a

> particular level for some time. Lots of eye-stims and obsessive

> behaviour (though this has settled down over the years. He's had a

> history of very serious gut issues but we're keeping that relatively

> stable with the odd flair up. We maintain a very strict GFCF diet and

> he eats a good variety of meats and vegetables and some fruits (pear

> mainly and berries in season).

> Very grateful for any feedbacks please as I'm apprehensive at

> giving such high doses of Vitamin A.

> Logie

>

March 6, 2006

Do you give this dosage once a day or spread out throughout the day? I have

been battling with myself over doing this protocol for weeks now and am

close to just going for it.

Kerrie

In a message dated 3/6/2006 4:00:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

halniaz@... writes:

> Posting from Australia. I have just been recommended by our doctor to

> start our young boy (7 and a bit) on the protocol of high doses of

> Vitamin A (palmitate at 400,000IU) for two days and then maintenance

> doses (25,000IU) for a few days after.

(http://paulchelation.blogspot.com/)

March 6, 2006

The fear of vitamin A toxicity has been extremely overdone in this country.

Especially with

these kids, who usually eat so few veggies and fish and even vitamin A in milk,

and whose

fat-soluble vitamin absorption is usually so poor, we should be worrying about

vitamin A

deficiency instead.

When I was a Research Associate at the Division of Nutritional Sciences at

Cornell, some of

the people were doing epidemiological research in the Philipines...there was a

nutritional

deficiency problem there called xeropthalmia where the kids went blind from

insufficient

vitamin A (most of them were too poor or didn't have enough land or education to

get

even sufficient beta carotene from vegetables). What they started as a program

to prevent

this totally unnecessary blindness was to give 125,000 units of A every six

months to all

the children in the study, all in one dose. Because it is a fat-soluble vitamin,

it was

retained in the system long enough to prevent blindness.

Here's a similar study in Rwanda. I would be willing to bet that a lot of these

kids, in spite

of their poor nutritional status, actually eat more veggies than our picky

autistic kids.

http://www.unu.edu/unupress/food/8F173e/8F173E0o.htm

At one point in my 20s, because of my then undiagnosed primary immune deficiency

(which I am beginning to wonder whether it is really primary or induced by the

mercury

exposures I had as a child), I had recurrent bronchitis six weeks out of ever

eight. It

seemed like I just couldn't shake it--the doctor told me I had to stop smoking

and the

only problem with that was, I had never smoked a single cigarette in my

life--still haven't.

I read Adelle 's book Let's Get Well and started taking 25,000 mg of

vitamin A/day in

the form of fish oil supplements (then more widely available), and got better.

Decades

later I did find an abstract proving that a high vitamin A protocol was very

helpful for

CVID, which I have.

And please remember, generations of children were raised on a daily dosage of

cod liver

oil--often administered, rumor states...by their grandmothers.

Peace,

Kathy E., PhD, aka grandma

Kathleen_E@...

>

> Hi everyone,

> Posting from Australia. I have just been recommended by our doctor to

> start our young boy (7 and a bit) on the protocol of high doses of

> Vitamin A (palmitate at 400,000IU) for two days and then maintenance

> doses (25,000IU) for a few days after.

> Could anyone tell me please if they've done this treatment and what

> effects (positive or negative) they had.

> Just incidentally, not sure whether we should have attempted

> chelation before commencing Vit A protocol. My boy shows (from recent

> hair analysis testing)very high levels of aluminium and moderately

> high levels of arsenic and cadminium. Mercury shows up but at small

> levels. Calcium is non-existent and has been for years in spite of

> aggressive supplementation of very good quality calcium.

> We've made good progress over the years but we've been stuck at a

> particular level for some time. Lots of eye-stims and obsessive

> behaviour (though this has settled down over the years. He's had a

> history of very serious gut issues but we're keeping that relatively

> stable with the odd flair up. We maintain a very strict GFCF diet and

> he eats a good variety of meats and vegetables and some fruits (pear

> mainly and berries in season).

> Very grateful for any feedbacks please as I'm apprehensive at

> giving such high doses of Vitamin A.

> Logie

>

March 6, 2006

Re-reading your post, I see that your child probably does get some beta-carotene

in his

veggies and berries. However, many children do NOT metabolize beta-carotene in

the

same way as real vitamin A (retinol). I would still listen to your doctor; if

you are scared to

do it, discuss it and you can always give him half as much and it might still

help. The idea

is to give a loading dose and then a maintenance dose. I don't know about the

retinol/

palmitate issue.

Also, please be aware that " low mercury " on a hair test is something that is

subject to

clinical judgment in interpretation. It might mean that your child is unable to

excrete

mercury even though it is partitioned in the fatty tissues, including the CNS.

You know

that the calcium you are giving is going in and it probably is going into his

bones, we

hope, not his hair. Hair tests are a baseline. If you then have a successful

chelation

protocol or something, you should find a change happening. But many of the

common

chelation protocols, besides being difficult and risky, don't go through the

blood-brain

barrier.

At the conference I attended last weekend, Boyd Haley, PhD was discussing this

and also

discussing some new protocols for detoxification that he is working on with

vitamin C and

glutathione given IV. They are being used already in Europe. They sound very

hopeful and

non-toxic, BUT toxic metals are toxic as they are coming out. Of course it is

always

stressed that chelation protocols need a doctor's supervision.

Peace,

Kathy E.

>

> Hi everyone,

> Posting from Australia. I have just been recommended by our doctor to

> start our young boy (7 and a bit) on the protocol of high doses of

> Vitamin A (palmitate at 400,000IU) for two days and then maintenance

> doses (25,000IU) for a few days after.

> Could anyone tell me please if they've done this treatment and what

> effects (positive or negative) they had.

> Just incidentally, not sure whether we should have attempted

> chelation before commencing Vit A protocol. My boy shows (from recent

> hair analysis testing)very high levels of aluminium and moderately

> high levels of arsenic and cadminium. Mercury shows up but at small

> levels. Calcium is non-existent and has been for years in spite of

> aggressive supplementation of very good quality calcium.

> We've made good progress over the years but we've been stuck at a

> particular level for some time. Lots of eye-stims and obsessive

> behaviour (though this has settled down over the years. He's had a

> history of very serious gut issues but we're keeping that relatively

> stable with the odd flair up. We maintain a very strict GFCF diet and

> he eats a good variety of meats and vegetables and some fruits (pear

> mainly and berries in season).

> Very grateful for any feedbacks please as I'm apprehensive at

> giving such high doses of Vitamin A.

> Logie

>

March 6, 2006

Hi haleh; can i ask where can i buy immune Factor #8?. could you

give me any address, or web site; we are using colostrum kirkman.

Could you please axplain more how you somministrated Vit.A, my son

doesnt take capsules; so in this is there any liquid products

avalable?. and if so could you please give me the website!! thanks

again!! we are living in europe.

thanks

fardi.

>

> > Hi everyone,

> > Posting from Australia. I have just been recommended by our

doctor to

> > start our young boy (7 and a bit) on the protocol of high doses

of

> > Vitamin A (palmitate at 400,000IU) for two days and then

maintenance

> > doses (25,000IU) for a few days after.

> > Could anyone tell me please if they've done this treatment and

what

> > effects (positive or negative) they had.

> > Just incidentally, not sure whether we should have attempted

> > chelation before commencing Vit A protocol. My boy shows (from

recent

> > hair analysis testing)very high levels of aluminium and

moderately

> > high levels of arsenic and cadminium. Mercury shows up but at

small

> > levels. Calcium is non-existent and has been for years in spite

of

> > aggressive supplementation of very good quality calcium.

> > We've made good progress over the years but we've been stuck at a

> > particular level for some time. Lots of eye-stims and obsessive

> > behaviour (though this has settled down over the years. He's had

a

> > history of very serious gut issues but we're keeping that

relatively

> > stable with the odd flair up. We maintain a very strict GFCF

diet and

> > he eats a good variety of meats and vegetables and some fruits

(pear

> > mainly and berries in season).

> > Very grateful for any feedbacks please as I'm apprehensive at

> > giving such high doses of Vitamin A.

> > Logie

> >

>

March 6, 2006

> Could anyone tell me please if they've done this treatment and what

> effects (positive or negative) they had.

Info, my son's story, and another child's story, here

http://www.danasview.net/vitamina.htm

> Just incidentally, not sure whether we should have attempted

> chelation before commencing Vit A protocol.

I did high dose vitamin A near the end of ALA chelation for my son.

>>Calcium is non-existent and has been for years in spite of

> aggressive supplementation of very good quality calcium.

I would guess that the calcium is being absorbed and used, rather than

being wasted by excreting thru the hair. So this would be a good

sign, at least in my opinion.

>>Lots of eye-stims and obsessive

> behaviour

For my son, both of these were primarily related to virus issues. I

wrote about the visual stims here

http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

Dana

March 6, 2006

Here is their Phone #. Their website is under renovation they said.

1 800 664-1333

The product is pretty expensive $140 for 30 days, or just under $400 for a 90

day supply Plus shipping.

They do send some info on it if you call them and ask for it.

They are tiny capsules that come with ice and have to be refrigerated or put

in the freezer. I plan to put the next batch in the freezer as the powder in

the capsule got somewhat sticky in the refrigerator and because my son doesn't

take pills and I put it in his juice. It would be better however, to open and

mix in a teaspoon of apple sauce but my child never lets me put anything in

his mouth.

Best,

Haleh

--- yonisau <afardow@...> wrote:

> Hi haleh; can i ask where can i buy immune Factor #8?. could you

> give me any address, or web site; we are using colostrum kirkman.

> Could you please axplain more how you somministrated Vit.A, my son

> doesnt take capsules; so in this is there any liquid products

> avalable?. and if so could you please give me the website!! thanks

> again!! we are living in europe.

> thanks

> fardi.

>

> >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > Posting from Australia. I have just been recommended by our

> doctor to

> > > start our young boy (7 and a bit) on the protocol of high doses

> of

> > > Vitamin A (palmitate at 400,000IU) for two days and then

> maintenance

> > > doses (25,000IU) for a few days after.

> > > Could anyone tell me please if they've done this treatment and

> what

> > > effects (positive or negative) they had.

> > > Just incidentally, not sure whether we should have attempted

> > > chelation before commencing Vit A protocol. My boy shows (from

> recent

> > > hair analysis testing)very high levels of aluminium and

> moderately

> > > high levels of arsenic and cadminium. Mercury shows up but at

> small

> > > levels. Calcium is non-existent and has been for years in spite

> of

> > > aggressive supplementation of very good quality calcium.

> > > We've made good progress over the years but we've been stuck at a

> > > particular level for some time. Lots of eye-stims and obsessive

> > > behaviour (though this has settled down over the years. He's had

> a

> > > history of very serious gut issues but we're keeping that

> relatively

> > > stable with the odd flair up. We maintain a very strict GFCF

> diet and

> > > he eats a good variety of meats and vegetables and some fruits

> (pear

> > > mainly and berries in season).

> > > Very grateful for any feedbacks please as I'm apprehensive at

> > > giving such high doses of Vitamin A.

> > > Logie

> > >

> >

>

March 6, 2006

Since my child is only 32 lbs we gave it in two juices, breakfast and lunch in

the same day 200,000 iu (40 drops of Mycellized vitamin A , 5,000 iu per

drops) each for two days. We stop the Cod Liver oil on those two days. Then

waited a week and started him on maintenance dose which for my son is only

10,000 iu or two drops.

Haleh

--- ratlenhum@... wrote:

>

> Do you give this dosage once a day or spread out throughout the day? I

> have

> been battling with myself over doing this protocol for weeks now and am

> close to just going for it.

>

> Kerrie

>

> In a message dated 3/6/2006 4:00:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> halniaz@... writes:

>

> > Posting from Australia. I have just been recommended by our doctor to

> > start our young boy (7 and a bit) on the protocol of high doses of

> > Vitamin A (palmitate at 400,000IU) for two days and then maintenance

> > doses (25,000IU) for a few days after.

>

> (http://paulchelation.blogspot.com/)

>

March 6, 2006

Hi haleh; could you please tell me where we can buy these dropps of

Vitamin A?. could you give me any website with this products; and

could you gently tell me where i can get in dropps GSE?. we do'nt

live in U.S.A.

thanks alot.

fardi

>

> >

> > Do you give this dosage once a day or spread out throughout the

day? I

> > have

> > been battling with myself over doing this protocol for weeks now

and am

> > close to just going for it.

> >

> > Kerrie

> >

> > In a message dated 3/6/2006 4:00:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > halniaz@... writes:

> >

> > > Posting from Australia. I have just been recommended by our

doctor to

> > > start our young boy (7 and a bit) on the protocol of high

doses of

> > > Vitamin A (palmitate at 400,000IU) for two days and then

maintenance

> > > doses (25,000IU) for a few days after.

> >

> > (http://paulchelation.blogspot.com/)

> >

March 6, 2006

Thanks to all have who have posted such excellent advice re the high

Vit A protocol. Much to think about but I think our family is ready

to start (probably this weekend). Dana and Kathleen, re the calcium

being absorbed: just got results back from a 24 hour calcium

excretion test shows next to nothing coming out (0.5 mmol/ 24hr -

normal is 2.5-7.5). Creatinine excretion was also barely noticeable,

a sign presumably that my boy doesn't absorb protein that well in

spite of getting three meals a day of protein (usually organic lamb,

beef or turkey). Dr Yasko says some interesting things re calcium and

high levels of glutamate or more particularly some children's problem

of breaking down glutamate.

It's all a mystery, but we'll battle on.

Bless you all for your support and help.

> > Could anyone tell me please if they've done this treatment and

what

> > effects (positive or negative) they had.

>

> Info, my son's story, and another child's story, here

>

> http://www.danasview.net/vitamina.htm

>

> > Just incidentally, not sure whether we should have attempted

> > chelation before commencing Vit A protocol.

>

> I did high dose vitamin A near the end of ALA chelation for my son.

>

> >>Calcium is non-existent and has been for years in spite of

> > aggressive supplementation of very good quality calcium.

>

> I would guess that the calcium is being absorbed and used, rather

than

> being wasted by excreting thru the hair. So this would be a good

> sign, at least in my opinion.

>

> >>Lots of eye-stims and obsessive

> > behaviour

>

> For my son, both of these were primarily related to virus issues. I

> wrote about the visual stims here

>

> http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

>

> Dana

>

March 6, 2006

Dear Fardi,

I am so proud of parents like you who are trying to help their kids even when

the resources are not so closely available.

You can buy both at Amazon.com and pay for one shipping:

Here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002DUOG0/ref=sr_11_1/002-8388100\

-1539222?%5Fencoding=UTF8 & v=glance

and for Grapfruit Seed Extract (GSE)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00012NFOK/sr=8-2/qid=1141685758/r\

ef=pd_bbs_2/002-8388100-1539222?%5Fencoding=UTF8 & v=glance

Best wishes,

Haleh

--- yonisau <afardow@...> wrote:

> Hi haleh; could you please tell me where we can buy these dropps of

> Vitamin A?. could you give me any website with this products; and

> could you gently tell me where i can get in dropps GSE?. we do'nt

> live in U.S.A.

> thanks alot.

> fardi

>

> >

> > >

> > > Do you give this dosage once a day or spread out throughout the

> day? I

> > > have

> > > been battling with myself over doing this protocol for weeks now

> and am

> > > close to just going for it.

> > >

> > > Kerrie

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/6/2006 4:00:45 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > > halniaz@... writes:

> > >

> > > > Posting from Australia. I have just been recommended by our

> doctor to

> > > > start our young boy (7 and a bit) on the protocol of high

> doses of

> > > > Vitamin A (palmitate at 400,000IU) for two days and then

> maintenance

> > > > doses (25,000IU) for a few days after.

> > >

> > > (http://paulchelation.blogspot.com/)

> > >

March 6, 2006

> Do you give this dosage once a day or spread out throughout the

day? I have

> been battling with myself over doing this protocol for weeks now and

am

> close to just going for it.

>

> Kerrie

I did it once a day. It upset ds's tummy a little but not too much.

March 8, 2006

> Do you give this dosage once a day or spread out throughout the day?

I have

> been battling with myself over doing this protocol for weeks now and

am

> close to just going for it.

Dr. McCandless has speculated that giving it as one dose, or at most

two, each day is probably more effective.

Dana

March 10, 2006

I sent this on March 6 but it didn't go through..servers not speaking to one

another..trying

again..

Re-reading your post, I see that your child probably does get some beta-carotene

in his

veggies and berries. However, many children do NOT metabolize beta-carotene in

the

same way as real vitamin A (retinol). I would still listen to your doctor; if

you are scared to

do it, discuss it and you can always give him half as much and it might still

help. The idea

is to give a loading dose and then a maintenance dose. I don't know about the

retinol/

palmitate issue.

Also, please be aware that " low mercury " on a hair test is something that is

subject to

clinical judgment in interpretation. It might mean that your child is unable to

excrete

mercury even though it is partitioned in the fatty tissues, including the CNS.

You know

that the calcium you are giving is going in and it probably is going into his

bones, we

hope, not his hair. Hair tests are a baseline. If you then have a successful

chelation

protocol or something, you should find a change happening. But many of the

common

chelation protocols, besides being difficult and risky, don't go through the

blood-brain

barrier.

At the conference I attended last weekend, Boyd Haley, PhD was discussing this

and also

discussing some new protocols for detoxification that he is working on with

vitamin C and

glutathione given IV. They are being used already in Europe. They sound very

hopeful and

non-toxic, BUT toxic metals are toxic as they are coming out. Of course it is

always

stressed that chelation protocols need a doctor's supervision.

Peace,

Kathy E.

>

> Hi everyone,

> Posting from Australia. I have just been recommended by our doctor to

> start our young boy (7 and a bit) on the protocol of high doses of

> Vitamin A (palmitate at 400,000IU) for two days and then maintenance

> doses (25,000IU) for a few days after.

> Could anyone tell me please if they've done this treatment and what

> effects (positive or negative) they had.

> Just incidentally, not sure whether we should have attempted

> chelation before commencing Vit A protocol. My boy shows (from recent

> hair analysis testing)very high levels of aluminium and moderately

> high levels of arsenic and cadminium. Mercury shows up but at small

> levels. Calcium is non-existent and has been for years in spite of

> aggressive supplementation of very good quality calcium.

> We've made good progress over the years but we've been stuck at a

> particular level for some time. Lots of eye-stims and obsessive

> behaviour (though this has settled down over the years. He's had a

> history of very serious gut issues but we're keeping that relatively

> stable with the odd flair up. We maintain a very strict GFCF diet and

> he eats a good variety of meats and vegetables and some fruits (pear

> mainly and berries in season).

> Very grateful for any feedbacks please as I'm apprehensive at

> giving such high doses of Vitamin A.

> Logie

>

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