Re: help! son won't let me give B12 injections!

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Are you giving folic acid in addition? Might be worth switching to oral B12.

S S

I guess it was just luck the first time went so well. Now when I go to<BR>

give them to my 3 yr old, he either grabs it with his hand or<BR>

scrunches his butt up or rolls over, etc. And this is with me giving<BR>

it to him while he is asleep at nap and it's time to wake up.<BR>

<BR>

Help! I'm so frustrated! If I hold his hand down, then I don't have a<BR>

hand to pinch the fat. Uggghhh! Any tips would be greatly appreciated.<BR>

<BR>

Thanks!<BR>

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yes, he gets folic acid in his transdermal b complex. Can't do oral,

he has too many gut issues.

>

> I guess it was just luck the first time went so well. Now when I go

to<BR>

> give them to my 3 yr old, he either grabs it with his hand or<BR>

> scrunches his butt up or rolls over, etc. And this is with me giving<BR>

> it to him while he is asleep at nap and it's time to wake up.<BR>

> <BR>

> Help! I'm so frustrated! If I hold his hand down, then I don't have

a<BR>

> hand to pinch the fat. Uggghhh! Any tips would be greatly

appreciated.<BR>

> <BR>

> Thanks!<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

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I'm new to the whole shot deal, but I have 2 comments.

1) My son doesn't even KNOW he has been getting shots. he's 5, we do them at

night with numbing cream after he is asleep

2) We were told specifically to NOT pinch the fat. We are giving b12 shots

per Dr. Nuebrander's (sp?) protocol.

borntoshopjc <borntoshopjc@...> wrote:

I guess it was just luck the first time went so well. Now when I go to

give them to my 3 yr old, he either grabs it with his hand or

scrunches his butt up or rolls over, etc. And this is with me giving

it to him while he is asleep at nap and it's time to wake up.

Help! I'm so frustrated! If I hold his hand down, then I don't have a

hand to pinch the fat. Uggghhh! Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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We do exactly what does. I wait until he's been asleep about 45

minutes. He is usually outcold by then. Numbing cream goes on and about 30

minutes

later he gets his shot. He doesn't even flinch, never knows I've been in the

room

You are not supposed to pinch the fat because when you pinch them you are

not just getting fat but a band of muscle that pinches right up with the fat and

chances are you are getting muscle not fat.

Read this

_http://drneubrander.com/Files/READ%20ME,%20Injection%20Instructions%20for%20Met\

hyl-B12%20Shots.doc_

(http://drneubrander.com/Files/READ%20ME,%20Injection%20Instructions%20for%20Met\

hyl-B12%20Shots.doc)

In a message dated 5/29/2006 4:02:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

anothersillyuserid@... writes:

I'm new to the whole shot deal, but I have 2 comments.

1) My son doesn't even KNOW he has been getting shots. he's 5, we do them

at night with numbing cream after he is asleep

2) We were told specifically to NOT pinch the fat. We are giving b12 shots

per Dr. Nuebrander's (sp?) protocol.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What type of numbing cream do you use....confirm you give subcutenously without

pinching the fat....can you explain this string for me in simple laymans

language...to enable us commence Mb 12 shots for our 4 yr old.

Kind Rgds,

Chidi

Re: [ ] help! son won't let me give B12 injections!

I'm new to the whole shot deal, but I have 2 comments.

1) My son doesn't even KNOW he has been getting shots. he's 5, we do them at

night with numbing cream after he is asleep

2) We were told specifically to NOT pinch the fat. We are giving b12 shots

per Dr. Nuebrander's (sp?) protocol.

borntoshopjc <borntoshopjc@...> wrote:

I guess it was just luck the first time went so well. Now when I go to

give them to my 3 yr old, he either grabs it with his hand or

scrunches his butt up or rolls over, etc. And this is with me giving

it to him while he is asleep at nap and it's time to wake up.

Help! I'm so frustrated! If I hold his hand down, then I don't have a

hand to pinch the fat. Uggghhh! Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

so, you give at night. yeah I thought about doing that- but he's not

so good a sleeper, didn't want to risk waking him up.

What is the reason dr. neubrander gives for NOT pinching the fat? I

was told that it needs to be injected into tissue that is not muscle.

Hmm interesting the different protocols we all seem to have.

> I guess it was just luck the first time went so well. Now when I go to

> give them to my 3 yr old, he either grabs it with his hand or

> scrunches his butt up or rolls over, etc. And this is with me giving

> it to him while he is asleep at nap and it's time to wake up.

>

> Help! I'm so frustrated! If I hold his hand down, then I don't have a

> hand to pinch the fat. Uggghhh! Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I use a prescription numbing cream. I don't know if this is a brand name or a

generic name, but I would guess it is a generic name. Lidocaine and prilocaine

cream 2.5%/2.5% The same doctor who prescribed the shots prescribed the cream.

Yes, we are giving subcutaneous shots, without pinching fat.

I copied the below instructions from Dr. Neubrander's website. See

www.drneubrander.com. I hope it is ok to have copied it given I said where I

copied it from... probably Dr. Neubrander will forgive me since my heart is in

the right place...

METHYLCOBALAMIN (“B12 " ) INJECTION INSTRUCTIONS

TO BE MADE FROM 25 MG/ML METHYLCOBALAMIN, PRESERVATIVE FREE FORM ONLY!

STARTING DOSE TYPICALLY 64.5 MCG/KG EVERY 3rd DAY SUBCUTANEOUSLY (BUTTOCKS)

IMPORTANT: BE SURE TO REQUEST PREFILLED BD 3/10 cc INSULIN SYRINGES CALLED

“SHORTS”

BD ITEM # 328438 (NOT #32418!)

PLEASE NOTE: YOUR CHILD’S DOSE IS THE SMALL CONTENT OF ONE PRE-FILLED SYRINGE

KEY POINTS UNDERLYING SUCCESS OR FAILURE:

a) All types of fat are not equal and different types of fats have

different dissolution and dispersion constants. From my studies, the fat from

the region of the buttocks significantly outperforms the results of injections

made into the fat of the arms, legs, or belly.

Because my clinical research indicates the methyl-B12 phenomenon is

due to a dependency condition, not a deficiency syndrome, subcutaneous

injections into the fat of the buttocks allows for a leaching effect that can

provide a “24/7” slow release into the tissues. By contrast, injections into

muscle quickly saturate B12 receptors, correct any deficiency that may be

occurring, and temporarily treat any dependency that is also present. After the

B12 receptors are saturated, the excess methyl-B12 not bound to receptors will

be filtered from the blood by the kidneys and excreted into the urine within

30-45 minutes after the injection. If the volume of the red methyl-B12 shot is

large enough, the next urine specimen will be red or it will be some color of

red depending on the concentration of the urine. If, however, the volume of the

red methyl-B12 shot is small, the urine will not show red or pink even though

the methyl-B12 is filtered through the kidney into the

urine within the same 30-45 minutes after being injected. Unfortunately the

effects of intramuscular injections are quite confusing to parents and

clinicians. Many children will show a response to some degree, often to a very

noticeable degree. However, when compared to subcutaneous shots to the

buttocks, the duration of the response is shorter; the intensity of the

response, over time, will be less; and because of this combination of factors,

many parents will discontinue shots months prematurely before realizing the full

effect of methyl-B12 for their child. A couple of additional points must be

made about intramuscular injections. Should you give your child a shot and see

a response within minutes or a couple hours instead of many hours to days, you

are giving the injections intramuscularly. Subcutaneous adipose tissue in the

buttocks is not vascular enough to deliver enough methyl-B12 fast enough to

produce a significant clinical response in such a short period

of time. If my dosing schedule is being followed and you see that the urine is

pink or red, the methyl-B12 shot was undoubtedly delivered into the muscle no

matter how much you believe the injection was given subcutaneously.

Subcutaneous injections cannot deliver enough “red” methyl-B12 fast enough to be

cleared by the kidney and show red in the urine unless the volumes are huge,

significantly greater than any that I commonly use.

c) Because of the above discussions, a constant steady state can be

achieved in most individuals with a shot frequency being adequate once every

three days if fat from the child’s buttocks is used. I use the following

example, not to be gross or disgusting, but rather because it allows you to

easily visualize and remember the concept. To visualize what happens to a

methyl-B12 shot in the fat in the buttocks may be hard to do unless we ‘magnify

it”. Therefore, let’s think about an “elephant’s butt” instead. Let’s say

there are 12 inches of fat between the skin and the muscle below. Our goal is

to insert a red lollipop right in the middle of this foot of elephant butt fat –

6 inches under the skin and 6 inches above the muscle. Because fat is moist and

because lollipops dissolve whenever they come in contact with moisture, imagine

the diameter of the lollipop gradually getting smaller and smaller until it is

totally gone 3 days later. This is analogous to

injecting a dense concentration of methyl-B12 into the subcutaneous fat in a

child’s buttocks – a process of slow steady release over 3 days. By contrast

let’s revisit the elephant’s butt and insert the lollipop in the muscle.

Because muscle has lymph and blood constantly in motion, the lollipop

continually has blood and lymph “washing over it” and the lollipop will dissolve

much more quickly, similar to what would happen if it were in a bowl of water

that was gently being rocked back and forth. As this illustration shows, the

lollipop in the bowl will be completely melted within an hour. Should the

lollipop have been inserted right at or very close to the subcutaneous/muscular

junction, an effect somewhere in between the two extremes would be noted.

d) Clinically speaking, methyl-B12 injections, when truly delivered into

fatty tissue in the buttocks, appear to disperse over a 3-day period “on

average”. Therefore, the first place you need to look when the benefits of a

methyl-B12 shot seems to wear off too soon is to retry the shots at the same

dose and frequency but make the angle of attack much more severe, much closer to

the horizontal plane, just under the skin. In children that are extremely thin

or extremely young that have essentially no fatty tissue on their buttocks, I

have found that injections given every day or every-other-day, still just under

the skin, seem to overcome the problem and allow the benefits of methyl-B12 to

be seen. However, I do not keep the dose the same. Instead I make the dose of

each shot proportionately less depending on whether it is given every other day

or every day. For example, a dose of 750 mcg per shot every 3 days is

equivalent to a shot of 500 mcg given every other

day and equivalent to a shot of 250 mcg given daily.

e) Common errors in technique:

a. Pinching the fat: Professionals often teach parents to “pinch the

fat” to give a subcutaneous injection. Unfortunately with small children, the

“tenting effect” that occurs not only brings with it subcutaneous fatty tissue

but also “a ribbon of muscle” that is just as likely, if not more likely to

receive the medication that is thought to be being administered into the

subcutaneous tissue. The discussion above has already shown that in my clinical

experience intramuscular injections are significantly inferior to those received

in the fat in the buttocks. Therefore, NEVER PINCH THE FAT to insure a

subcutaneous injection. Instead, go as shallow as necessary, often just under

the skin in order to deliver the methyl-B12 into subcutaneous tissue.

b. Angle of injection too vertical: As discussed above in detail, the

angle of injection may not be severe enough in young children who have very

little fat to deal with in order to hit fatty tissue and not muscle. Therefore,

the thinner the child, the more closely the angle of the shot should be to the

horizontal than the vertical plane as it enters the skin. At times you may need

to inject just under the surface of the skin to accomplish this goal.

f) Safety issues:

a. The safety of the shots is unquestioned if administered from a BD

#328438 needle. This needle is only 8 mm in length and when the shot is given

at a 30 degree or less, as is the technique taught, the “effective length” is

only a small fraction of the original 8 mm length.

b. Clinicians have always taught patients to use the upper outer

quadrant of the buttocks to avoid injury to the sciatic nerve that could be

reached if a regular sized needle was used in the lower portion of the buttocks.

However, with the BD #328438 extremely short needle length of 8 mm, even if

injected “straight in” over the area of the sciatic nerve, the chances of

hitting it in anyone except the smallest preemie is impossible. With the angle

of injection being anything significant, it is impossible to hit the sciatic

nerve.

c. By applying simple trigonometry, one of the professionals whose

child is a patient of mine gave me this “rule of thumb” if a BD #328438 needle

is used as per my protocol: a) shots injected at a 30 degree angle give an

effective needle length of approximately 4 mm ; shots injected at a 20 degree

angle give an effective needle length of approximately 2.7 mm ; c) shots

injected at a 10 degree angle give an effective needle length of approximately

1.4 mm.

Special Consideration Regarding The Local Anesthetic You Have Purchased Do

This Before Administering Your First Shot

Parents are able to obtain different types of local anesthetic creams from

different compounding pharmacies as prescribed by different clinicians.

Clinicians “have their favorites”. Some are commercially available and are

standardized as to effectiveness. Those produced by different compound

pharmacies can have different percentages of ingredients and different

combination of ingredients. Therefore, some local anesthetics will act more

quickly and/or wear off more quickly. What I suggest for all my patients is

that they put the cream on the sensitive portion of their inner thighs and take

a pin and make a chart as to how soon they do not feel pain from the pinprick

and how long it takes before they feel it again. With such a chart, the parents

can know with confidence how long they should wait before they give the shot and

how much time they have before the local anesthetic will no longer be active.

Method 1: (Read this first for the “big picture”; then compare with Method 2)

(Quick; essentially painless; rarely felt by the child at all; and most

children never wake up)

IMPORTANT NOTE: most parents only need to do this until they become

comfortable giving their child the shot. Afterwards, they usually find this

procedure not necessary.

1. Take a Band-Aid. Fold the edges back onto themselves so

you can easily pull the Band-Aid off later without having to “scrape” the edges

and awaken your child.

2. Put some BLT/EMLA cream on a “meaty spot” of the upper

outer quadrant of a buttock just under the diaper or underwear so you can gently

slide it over without later waking your child. Note: EMLA cream is difficult to

obtain. Other local anesthetic creams are available from your pharmacy with a

prescription. I use “BLT cream” from Hopewell Pharmacy. All the compounding

pharmacies can make the same or similar preparation. This works very well.

3. Apply the Band-Aid over the area that contains the local

anesthetic cream.

4. Mark the edges of the absorbent part of the Band-Aid so

that once you remove the Band-Aid, you will have made a target where to insert

the needle. You do not want to be off slightly or your child will feel the

prick of the needle.

5. Allow the child to go to sleep.

6. The anesthetic cream needs to be in place for

approximately 45 minutes to be maximally effective if it is

prilocaine/lidocaine, like EMLA. The effect comes on much more quickly, usually

within 15 minutes if it is a combination of benzocaine, lidocaine, and

tetracaine. The effects of all of them will usually last another hour.

7. Do the following in quick succession. You may want to

practice the moves first using an orange or the arm of a sofa that is covered

with material (not leather).

a. Gently pull the Band-Aid off and wipe away the anesthetic cream with

an alcohol swab trying not to awaken your child. Be sure that the area and/or

the adjacent area has not been soiled with fecal material. Be careful to clean

the area thoroughly with alcohol.

b. Note the “target area”. With your thumb and 3rd finger holding the

middle of the syringe (similar to holding a pencil or pen but with different

fingers) and your index finger on the plunger of the syringe, quickly insert the

needle AT A 10-30 DEGREE ANGLE (this way it is impossible to go “too deep”)

until it stops at the hub of the needle/syringe. (Think of this move as similar

to tossing a dart.) This also allows for the injection to go into the

subcutaneous fat and because of a “slow-leaching effect” gives better results

than if injected into muscle.

c. Immediately inject all of the solution within 1-2 seconds.

d. Quickly withdraw the needle and immediately put it into the “sharps

container”. (See “Sharps Container” below)

e. If you do everything gently, your child will usually not awaken. If

you do everything quickly and if your child does awaken, you “will be there” to

comfort him/her immediately and your child will not know that an injection has

occurred.

METHOD 2: (Easier to do and the PREFERRED METHOD by most parents that

continue to use the cream)

Do everything exactly as above except rather than putting a Band-Aid on, rub

the cream into the area where you are going to give the shot. When using this

method, apply the cream over a larger area so that you don’t accidentally miss

your target when you give the shot. The area will be numb in 15-45 minutes but

you should follow your chart [see “Special Consideration” above].

Problem, Type #1: Child That Resists Allowing You To Put On The Local

Anesthetic Cream But Does Not Awaken Once S/He Falls Asleep:

Wait until your child is in a deep sleep. Then apply the anesthetic cream.

Wait 45 minutes and then proceed as above.

Problem, Type #2: If Your Child Is A Light Sleeper And Awakens Whenever You

Attempt To Give The Shot At Night, Switch And Give The Shots During The Day:

I do not recommend alarming a child, scaring a child, or having a child always

needing to “guard his butt” from the boogeyman that’s always trying to attack

him while he’s attempting to rest in peace! Therefore, with these children it

is much more important just to teach the child that the shot is a part of life,

just as with a diabetic child. I do not recommend a reward system unless it is

absolutely the last straw. The shots are as important as insulin to these

children and therefore they need to be administered. Therefore it is a learning

experience for both the child and the parents how to do this with the least

emotional trauma and the least negotiations possible. After the first few

shots, the child will learn that they do not hurt (if the creams are used) and

will therefore be less resistive or not resistive at all. Surprisingly it is

not uncommon for children to ask for their shots! When children ask for the

shots to be given, obviously something good must

be happening!

!PAIN?--?PAIN!--!PAIN?

Your child should feel no pain at all for the majority of the shots you

administer. The following should be considered whenever you are trying to

decide if your child is feeling “movement” by you when you give the shot, a

“sensation of fullness”, or “true pain”.

Shots should not hurt if the pH is correct. Occasionally compounding

pharmacies do not adjust for this or a bad batch occurs for other reasons. In

my experience, this is the most common cause for painful shots when they occur.

After prescribing over 50,000 shots and monitoring them personally, I can

undeniably state that pain has only been reported on very rare occasions when

parents used my supplier. I believe other suppliers can also produce “good

shots”. However, in my opinion, there needs to be some type of standardization

between all compounding pharmacies in order to guarantee a painless and potent

formulation so that all parents can administer the shots without the fear of

pain in order to obtain the benefits methyl-B12 frequently provides.

Even in perfectly administered shots, at times there may be a set of nerve

fibrils that are closer together or more sensitive than others or at times even

clumps of nerve fibrils that are present in “knots”. One cannot know ahead of

time where these anatomical variations are located. If a child “accidentally”

receives a shot in such a location, some discomfort or mild pain may be felt,

especially if the local anesthetic cream wasn’t applied properly, long enough,

or for too long a period of time. As a general rule, if the injection site is

moved an inch or two, the next shot should be fine.

The larger the volume of a shot, the more pressure effect/tissue stretching

effect that may occur and in a sensitive child cause a feeling of discomfort.

This is one reason to use the most concentrated shot concentration possible. It

also important to remember that the sensation of “fullness” may cause a child to

“touch the spot” where you administered the shot but this does not necessarily

mean that this is a “painful sensation”. Large children, due to a larger shot

volume of 0.15 cc or greater, may feel this fullness and occasionally slight

pain.

If you really think something may be wrong, give yourself a shot and see if

it is painful. If it is, either have the pharmacy give you replacement shots

from a different batch, or use a different pharmacy. Should you receive a new

set of shots from the pharmacy that previously provided the painful shots, ask

for an additional shot so you can inject yourself before injecting your child to

see if the problem has been corrected.

Sharps Container:

It is important to make sure that needles are discarded properly. The

following description will allow you to make a homemade version of a sharps

container. Please do the following:

1. Obtain a large coffee can that has a plastic lid.

2. Throw out the coffee. Wash and dry the container.

3. Make two slits at a 90-degree angle to each other in the

center of the plastic lid.

4. Securely tape the lid to the can.

5. Check to make sure that you can push a syringe through

the slits but that the slits are not wide enough for “little fingers” get

through.

6. When the coffee can is full, securely tape it shut by

covering the slits.

7. Once secured, the can may be disposed with normal trash.

It is perfectly legal for “personal” medical waste to be disposed in this manner

[in contrast to biohazardous waste generated in a hospital or clinic].

Chidi Izuwah <chidi_izuwah@...> wrote:

Hi ,

What type of numbing cream do you use....confirm you give subcutenously without

pinching the fat....can you explain this string for me in simple laymans

language...to enable us commence Mb 12 shots for our 4 yr old.

Kind Rgds,

Chidi

Re: [ ] help! son won't let me give B12 injections!

I'm new to the whole shot deal, but I have 2 comments.

1) My son doesn't even KNOW he has been getting shots. he's 5, we do them at

night with numbing cream after he is asleep

2) We were told specifically to NOT pinch the fat. We are giving b12 shots

per Dr. Nuebrander's (sp?) protocol.

borntoshopjc <borntoshopjc@...> wrote:

I guess it was just luck the first time went so well. Now when I go to

give them to my 3 yr old, he either grabs it with his hand or

scrunches his butt up or rolls over, etc. And this is with me giving

it to him while he is asleep at nap and it's time to wake up.

Help! I'm so frustrated! If I hold his hand down, then I don't have a

hand to pinch the fat. Uggghhh! Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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We are giving shots at night by the light of the closet....

See my other post with Dr N's instructions. The reasoning to not pinch fat is

because you may end up giving the shot into muscle that way, according to Dr. N.

borntoshopjc <borntoshopjc@...> wrote:

so, you give at night. yeah I thought about doing that- but he's not

so good a sleeper, didn't want to risk waking him up.

What is the reason dr. neubrander gives for NOT pinching the fat? I

was told that it needs to be injected into tissue that is not muscle.

Hmm interesting the different protocols we all seem to have.

> I guess it was just luck the first time went so well. Now when I go to

> give them to my 3 yr old, he either grabs it with his hand or

> scrunches his butt up or rolls over, etc. And this is with me giving

> it to him while he is asleep at nap and it's time to wake up.

>

> Help! I'm so frustrated! If I hold his hand down, then I don't have a

> hand to pinch the fat. Uggghhh! Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

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you apply prelox ointment, which gives external anesthesia, and give injection

at that place You should do it when he is sleeping. make a small cirlce and put

that ointment in that circle, but small bandaid over it, after one hour remove

it clean it then given injection in that place

borntoshopjc <borntoshopjc@...> wrote: so, you give at night. yeah I

thought about doing that- but he's not

so good a sleeper, didn't want to risk waking him up.

What is the reason dr. neubrander gives for NOT pinching the fat? I

was told that it needs to be injected into tissue that is not muscle.

Hmm interesting the different protocols we all seem to have.

> I guess it was just luck the first time went so well. Now when I go to

> give them to my 3 yr old, he either grabs it with his hand or

> scrunches his butt up or rolls over, etc. And this is with me giving

> it to him while he is asleep at nap and it's time to wake up.

>

> Help! I'm so frustrated! If I hold his hand down, then I don't have a

> hand to pinch the fat. Uggghhh! Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like Emla cream.

S S

I use a prescription numbing cream.  I don't know if this is a brand name or a

generic name, but I would guess it is a generic name.  Lidocaine and prilocaine

cream 2.5%/2.5%  The same doctor who prescribed the shots prescribed the

cream.<BR>

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I WANT TO SHARE HOW I DO IT... FIRST REMEMBER , A CHILD CAN FEEL YOUR FEAR AND

YOUR APPREHENSION, SO TRY TO BE CALM , CONFIDENT AND NOT AFRAID, HE CAN SENSE

YOUR FEAR... LOOK UP AND SAY GOD PLEASE HELP ME AND GET YOURSELF READY AND

TOGETHER.....

IF YOUR CHILD IS POTTY TRAINED, WHEN THEY GO TO THE BATHROOM, VERY CALMLY SAY

YOU ARE GOING TO HELP THEM , HAVE THEM BEND FORWARD SLIGHTLY AND GIVE THE SHOT,

VERY QUICKLY AND VERY FAST... THEY WILL START TO GET USED TO THE ROUTINE....

PRAISE THEM, IF NEEDED AND GIVE A LITTLE TREAT SUCH AS A TOY, OR MAKE A CHART

WHERE THEY CAN DRAW HAPPY FACES OR STICKERS TO SHOW THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENT TO

OTHERS.....I DON;T LIKE TO USE FOOD, BUT THIS MIGHT WORK BETTER FOR YOU.... MY

SON IS 16 YRS. OLD AND THIS IS HOW I HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR 2 YRS.... IF I CAN

DO IT, ANYONE CAN DO IT, DON;T GIVE UP......

CORINNE

[ ] Re: help! son won't let me give B12 injections!

yes, he gets folic acid in his transdermal b complex. Can't do oral,

he has too many gut issues.

>

> I guess it was just luck the first time went so well. Now when I go

to<BR>

> give them to my 3 yr old, he either grabs it with his hand or<BR>

> scrunches his butt up or rolls over, etc. And this is with me giving<BR>

> it to him while he is asleep at nap and it's time to wake up.<BR>

> <BR>

> Help! I'm so frustrated! If I hold his hand down, then I don't have

a<BR>

> hand to pinch the fat. Uggghhh! Any tips would be greatly

appreciated.<BR>

> <BR>

> Thanks!<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

>

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