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In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time, sharon_asd_uk@... writes:

Now THIS is INTERESTING

Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling her we have began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have offered to give her and any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I come to discuss s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start swotting!!

Keep ya posted.

Luv Caroline

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> heavy metals may be implicated in autism

> * 27 May 2006

> * From New Scientist Print Edition. _Subscribe_

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> issues.

> URINE samples from hundreds of French children have yielded

evidence for a

> link between autism and exposure to heavy metals. If validated,

the findings

> might mean some cases of autism could be treated with drugs that

purge the

> body of heavy metals.

>

> Samples from children with autism contained abnormally high levels

of a

> family of proteins called porphyrins, which are precursors in the

production of

> haem, the oxygen-carrying component in haemoglobin. Heavy metals

block haem

> production, causing porphyrins to accumulate in urine.

Concentrations of one

> molecule, coproporphyrin, were 2.6 times as high in urine from

children with

> autism as in controls.

> Autism is thought to have a number of unknown genetic and

environmental

> causes. Lathe of Pieta Research in Edinburgh, UK, says he

has found one

> of these factors. " It's highly likely that heavy metals are

responsible for

> childhood autistic disorder in a majority of cases, " he claims. The

study will

> appear in Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology.

> Lathe says these porphyrin metabolites bind to receptors in the

brain and

> have been linked with epilepsy and autism.

> The researchers restored porphyrin concentrations to normal in 12

children by

> treating them with " chelation " drugs that mop up heavy metals and

are then

> excreted. It is not yet known whether the children's symptoms have

eased, but

> Lathe cites anecdotal reports suggesting the drugs might do some

good.

> From issue 2553 of New Scientist magazine, 27 May 2006, page 21

> _http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?

id=mg19025535.400 & feedId=health_rss20_

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> (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?

id=mg19025535.400 & feedId=health_rss20)

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Now THIS is INTERESTING!

>

> heavy metals may be implicated in autism

> * 27 May 2006

> * From New Scientist Print Edition. _Subscribe_

> (http://www.newscientist.com/subscribe.ns;jsessionid=DJDCLMGGFAFI?

promcode=nsarttop) and get 4 free

> issues.

> URINE samples from hundreds of French children have yielded

evidence for a

> link between autism and exposure to heavy metals. If validated,

the findings

> might mean some cases of autism could be treated with drugs that

purge the

> body of heavy metals.

>

> Samples from children with autism contained abnormally high levels

of a

> family of proteins called porphyrins, which are precursors in the

production of

> haem, the oxygen-carrying component in haemoglobin. Heavy metals

block haem

> production, causing porphyrins to accumulate in urine.

Concentrations of one

> molecule, coproporphyrin, were 2.6 times as high in urine from

children with

> autism as in controls.

> Autism is thought to have a number of unknown genetic and

environmental

> causes. Lathe of Pieta Research in Edinburgh, UK, says he

has found one

> of these factors. " It's highly likely that heavy metals are

responsible for

> childhood autistic disorder in a majority of cases, " he claims. The

study will

> appear in Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology.

> Lathe says these porphyrin metabolites bind to receptors in the

brain and

> have been linked with epilepsy and autism.

> The researchers restored porphyrin concentrations to normal in 12

children by

> treating them with " chelation " drugs that mop up heavy metals and

are then

> excreted. It is not yet known whether the children's symptoms have

eased, but

> Lathe cites anecdotal reports suggesting the drugs might do some

good.

> From issue 2553 of New Scientist magazine, 27 May 2006, page 21

> _http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?

id=mg19025535.400 & feedId=health_rss20_

>

> (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?

id=mg19025535.400 & feedId=health_rss20)

>

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Hi a friend of mine told our pead about biomedical stuff and she put

the social services onto her implying that she could be harming her

child so I lied and said we weren't doing it any more. I asked my dr

and he said don't say anything to anyone - it's like living in a

police state!

Peta-

-- In Autism Treatment , CarolineTraa@...

wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time,

> sharon_asd_uk@... writes:

>

> Now THIS is INTERESTING

>

>

> Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling her

we have

> began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have offered to

give her and

> any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I come

to discuss

> s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start

swotting!!

> Keep ya posted.

> Luv Caroline

> xxx

>

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This is really tricky surely social services can't take your child

away for giving them supplements and chelation. This is the second

instance I've heard of. I think it's important that we tell our

paediatricians what we're doing and more importantly why. If there's

no evidence of heavy metals then no, we shouldn't be chelating

surely. If there is then evidence is evidence whether or not they

are willing to swot up on it. Our paed is not happy with the amount

of supplements Tom is taking. I can see her point - he's on about

32 doses a day added together! But she has referred him to Simon

Murch. If we don't keep them involved there'll never be sufficient

body of evidence of what works. And if they don't have ownership of

what works then it'll never be absorbed into main stream.

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time,

> > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:

> >

> > Now THIS is INTERESTING

> >

> >

> > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling

her

> we have

> > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have offered

to

> give her and

> > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I come

> to discuss

> > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start

> swotting!!

> > Keep ya posted.

> > Luv Caroline

> > xxx

> >

>

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I definitely think your GP should be informed and kept up to date. I have supplied all test results and info on exactly which treatments we are using. I know Dr Heard has also written to my son't GP with full details of his current and future treatment.

Social Services are extremely overstretched - or so they lead us to belief (apologies if anyone works for them). So I would be amazed if they were to get involved in any child protection issues relating to biomedical treatments of autism. I know of a recent case were the child with learning difficulties was so out of control and violent he had caused his mother serious injuries on four seperate occasions. They still refused to get involved and help. Out of complete desperation the mum had to make a formal complaint, have her son arrested, and say that she would not have him back in her home in order to get help. A child really has to be at risk of significant harm for them to become involved. Surely, leaving the child untreated should give more cause for concern.

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This is really tricky surely social services can't take your child away for giving them supplements and chelation. This is the second instance I've heard of. I think it's important that we tell our paediatricians what we're doing and more importantly why. If there's no evidence of heavy metals then no, we shouldn't be chelating surely. If there is then evidence is evidence whether or not they are willing to swot up on it. Our paed is not happy with the amount of supplements Tom is taking. I can see her point - he's on about 32 doses a day added together! But she has referred him to Simon Murch. If we don't keep them involved there'll never be sufficient body of evidence of what works. And if they don't have ownership of what works then it'll never be absorbed into main stream. > >> > > > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time, > > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:> > > > Now THIS is INTERESTING> > > > > > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling her > we have > > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have offered to > give her and > > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I come > to discuss > > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start > swotting!!> > Keep ya posted.> > Luv Caroline> > xxx> >>

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I definitely think your GP should be informed and kept up to date. I have supplied all test results and info on exactly which treatments we are using. I know Dr Heard has also written to my son't GP with full details of his current and future treatment.

Social Services are extremely overstretched - or so they lead us to belief (apologies if anyone works for them). So I would be amazed if they were to get involved in any child protection issues relating to biomedical treatments of autism. I know of a recent case were the child with learning difficulties was so out of control and violent he had caused his mother serious injuries on four seperate occasions. They still refused to get involved and help. Out of complete desperation the mum had to make a formal complaint, have her son arrested, and say that she would not have him back in her home in order to get help. A child really has to be at risk of significant harm for them to become involved. Surely, leaving the child untreated should give more cause for concern.

Re: Heavy metals may be implicated in autism

This is really tricky surely social services can't take your child away for giving them supplements and chelation. This is the second instance I've heard of. I think it's important that we tell our paediatricians what we're doing and more importantly why. If there's no evidence of heavy metals then no, we shouldn't be chelating surely. If there is then evidence is evidence whether or not they are willing to swot up on it. Our paed is not happy with the amount of supplements Tom is taking. I can see her point - he's on about 32 doses a day added together! But she has referred him to Simon Murch. If we don't keep them involved there'll never be sufficient body of evidence of what works. And if they don't have ownership of what works then it'll never be absorbed into main stream. > >> > > > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time, > > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:> > > > Now THIS is INTERESTING> > > > > > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling her > we have > > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have offered to > give her and > > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I come > to discuss > > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start > swotting!!> > Keep ya posted.> > Luv Caroline> > xxx> >>

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I do agree but some pead's have such closed minds that I don't think

any amount of evidence would persuade them. Our's is also in charge

of child protection and she is dangerous. I spent my whole app

talking about mercury poisoning and she didn't even know about

chelation. I want to get referred to someone else but so far she has

refused. It's tricky 'cos once social services get involved they

waste loads of time and emotional energy.

Peta -

-- In Autism Treatment , " Sirr "

<mark.grabiec@...> wrote:

>

> This is really tricky surely social services can't take your child

> away for giving them supplements and chelation. This is the

second

> instance I've heard of. I think it's important that we tell our

> paediatricians what we're doing and more importantly why. If

there's

> no evidence of heavy metals then no, we shouldn't be chelating

> surely. If there is then evidence is evidence whether or not they

> are willing to swot up on it. Our paed is not happy with the

amount

> of supplements Tom is taking. I can see her point - he's on about

> 32 doses a day added together! But she has referred him to Simon

> Murch. If we don't keep them involved there'll never be

sufficient

> body of evidence of what works. And if they don't have ownership

of

> what works then it'll never be absorbed into main stream.

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time,

> > > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:

> > >

> > > Now THIS is INTERESTING

> > >

> > >

> > > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling

> her

> > we have

> > > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have

offered

> to

> > give her and

> > > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I

come

> > to discuss

> > > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start

> > swotting!!

> > > Keep ya posted.

> > > Luv Caroline

> > > xxx

> > >

> >

>

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I do agree but some pead's have such closed minds that I don't think

any amount of evidence would persuade them. Our's is also in charge

of child protection and she is dangerous. I spent my whole app

talking about mercury poisoning and she didn't even know about

chelation. I want to get referred to someone else but so far she has

refused. It's tricky 'cos once social services get involved they

waste loads of time and emotional energy.

Peta -

-- In Autism Treatment , " Sirr "

<mark.grabiec@...> wrote:

>

> This is really tricky surely social services can't take your child

> away for giving them supplements and chelation. This is the

second

> instance I've heard of. I think it's important that we tell our

> paediatricians what we're doing and more importantly why. If

there's

> no evidence of heavy metals then no, we shouldn't be chelating

> surely. If there is then evidence is evidence whether or not they

> are willing to swot up on it. Our paed is not happy with the

amount

> of supplements Tom is taking. I can see her point - he's on about

> 32 doses a day added together! But she has referred him to Simon

> Murch. If we don't keep them involved there'll never be

sufficient

> body of evidence of what works. And if they don't have ownership

of

> what works then it'll never be absorbed into main stream.

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time,

> > > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:

> > >

> > > Now THIS is INTERESTING

> > >

> > >

> > > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling

> her

> > we have

> > > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have

offered

> to

> > give her and

> > > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I

come

> > to discuss

> > > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start

> > swotting!!

> > > Keep ya posted.

> > > Luv Caroline

> > > xxx

> > >

> >

>

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My Gp said that if treatments aren't licensed for autism over here

ie B12 then if he was involved( he gives us emla cream at the

moment) and something went wrong then he could be liable. He said he

is very sympathetic but he has to think of his job and his pension.

He said it would be best if I didn't tell anyone about Charlie's

treatments because of our pead - I have told him what a dreadful

woman she is. When I told him about my friend being referred to

social services and did he think I would be he didn't say no of

course not but that it could happen. He said if he knew I was giving

something to Charlie which could be dangerous then he would have to

tell someone - his example was injecting him with arsenic and I said

what like injecting him with mercury! So even though I have told him

alot about the treatments and been honest he is now warning me not

to. And he isn't a bad GP.I don't want to be stopped from chelating.

Peta

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time,

> > > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:

> > >

> > > Now THIS is INTERESTING

> > >

> > >

> > > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician,

telling

> her

> > we have

> > > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have

offered

> to

> > give her and

> > > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I

come

> > to discuss

> > > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start

> > swotting!!

> > > Keep ya posted.

> > > Luv Caroline

> > > xxx

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

>

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My Gp said that if treatments aren't licensed for autism over here

ie B12 then if he was involved( he gives us emla cream at the

moment) and something went wrong then he could be liable. He said he

is very sympathetic but he has to think of his job and his pension.

He said it would be best if I didn't tell anyone about Charlie's

treatments because of our pead - I have told him what a dreadful

woman she is. When I told him about my friend being referred to

social services and did he think I would be he didn't say no of

course not but that it could happen. He said if he knew I was giving

something to Charlie which could be dangerous then he would have to

tell someone - his example was injecting him with arsenic and I said

what like injecting him with mercury! So even though I have told him

alot about the treatments and been honest he is now warning me not

to. And he isn't a bad GP.I don't want to be stopped from chelating.

Peta

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time,

> > > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:

> > >

> > > Now THIS is INTERESTING

> > >

> > >

> > > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician,

telling

> her

> > we have

> > > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have

offered

> to

> > give her and

> > > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I

come

> > to discuss

> > > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start

> > swotting!!

> > > Keep ya posted.

> > > Luv Caroline

> > > xxx

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Peta,

Aren't there quite a few unlicenced medications that are in use. Is Ritalin licenced ? What about Vit K jabs?

Jane

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My Gp said that if treatments aren't licensed for autism over here ie B12 then if he was involved( he gives us emla cream at the moment) and something went wrong then he could be liable. He said he is very sympathetic but he has to think of his job and his pension. He said it would be best if I didn't tell anyone about Charlie's treatments because of our pead - I have told him what a dreadful woman she is. When I told him about my friend being referred to social services and did he think I would be he didn't say no of course not but that it could happen. He said if he knew I was giving something to Charlie which could be dangerous then he would have to tell someone - his example was injecting him with arsenic and I said what like injecting him with mercury! So even though I have told him alot about the treatments and been honest he is now warning me not to. And he isn't a bad GP.I don't want to be stopped from chelating. Peta> > >> > > > > > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time, > > > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:> > > > > > Now THIS is INTERESTING> > > > > > > > > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling > her > > we have > > > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have offered > to > > give her and > > > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I come > > to discuss > > > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start > > swotting!!> > > Keep ya posted.> > > Luv Caroline> > > xxx> > >> >> > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> > > > >

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My PCT say they do test and treat for heavy metal poisoning but apparently it's all Mickey Mouse like a lot of other tests they do.

Vicky

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My PCT say they do test and treat for heavy metal poisoning but apparently it's all Mickey Mouse like a lot of other tests they do.

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My PCT say they do test and treat for heavy metal poisoning but apparently it's all Mickey Mouse like a lot of other tests they do.

Vicky

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Zoe it was Mandi that filled me in on their Metals tests and treatments, think it's mostly lead anyway, but she can remind me when she gets back lol, she did say something along the lines of them being a waste of time, but can't remember all the ins and outs.

Vicky

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Zoe it was Mandi that filled me in on their Metals tests and treatments, think it's mostly lead anyway, but she can remind me when she gets back lol, she did say something along the lines of them being a waste of time, but can't remember all the ins and outs.

Vicky

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Zoe it was Mandi that filled me in on their Metals tests and treatments, think it's mostly lead anyway, but she can remind me when she gets back lol, she did say something along the lines of them being a waste of time, but can't remember all the ins and outs.

Vicky

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Does anybody know what criteria the medical profession use to

diagnose heavy metal poisoning? What test/s do they use - in

children if possible?

What if we all take this approach:

Leave aside any question of autism

Prove heavy metal poisoning in our kids according to the medical

profession's own criteria/tests

Ask our GP's to treat our kids for heavy metal poisoning

When the GPs say it is 'out of their area of expertise', ask to be

referred to an expert

All get referrals to DAN! Practitioners (the experts) on the NHS

because there are no experts in chelating kids in the UK!!!! (unless

anyone knows any?)

Peta - your friend could contact the Childrens Legal Centre for

advice about Social Services intrusion www.childrenslegalcentre.com

and I hope she/he has made a complaint against the Paed,

specifically asking (in writing) for the criteria against which a

referral was made to social services. That is totally unacceptable.

Zoe x

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time,

> > > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:

> > >

> > > Now THIS is INTERESTING

> > >

> > >

> > > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling

> her

> > we have

> > > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have

offered

> to

> > give her and

> > > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I

come

> > to discuss

> > > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start

> > swotting!!

> > > Keep ya posted.

> > > Luv Caroline

> > > xxx

> > >

> >

>

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Does anybody know what criteria the medical profession use to

diagnose heavy metal poisoning? What test/s do they use - in

children if possible?

What if we all take this approach:

Leave aside any question of autism

Prove heavy metal poisoning in our kids according to the medical

profession's own criteria/tests

Ask our GP's to treat our kids for heavy metal poisoning

When the GPs say it is 'out of their area of expertise', ask to be

referred to an expert

All get referrals to DAN! Practitioners (the experts) on the NHS

because there are no experts in chelating kids in the UK!!!! (unless

anyone knows any?)

Peta - your friend could contact the Childrens Legal Centre for

advice about Social Services intrusion www.childrenslegalcentre.com

and I hope she/he has made a complaint against the Paed,

specifically asking (in writing) for the criteria against which a

referral was made to social services. That is totally unacceptable.

Zoe x

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time,

> > > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:

> > >

> > > Now THIS is INTERESTING

> > >

> > >

> > > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling

> her

> > we have

> > > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have

offered

> to

> > give her and

> > > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I

come

> > to discuss

> > > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start

> > swotting!!

> > > Keep ya posted.

> > > Luv Caroline

> > > xxx

> > >

> >

>

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Does anybody know what criteria the medical profession use to

diagnose heavy metal poisoning? What test/s do they use - in

children if possible?

What if we all take this approach:

Leave aside any question of autism

Prove heavy metal poisoning in our kids according to the medical

profession's own criteria/tests

Ask our GP's to treat our kids for heavy metal poisoning

When the GPs say it is 'out of their area of expertise', ask to be

referred to an expert

All get referrals to DAN! Practitioners (the experts) on the NHS

because there are no experts in chelating kids in the UK!!!! (unless

anyone knows any?)

Peta - your friend could contact the Childrens Legal Centre for

advice about Social Services intrusion www.childrenslegalcentre.com

and I hope she/he has made a complaint against the Paed,

specifically asking (in writing) for the criteria against which a

referral was made to social services. That is totally unacceptable.

Zoe x

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time,

> > > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:

> > >

> > > Now THIS is INTERESTING

> > >

> > >

> > > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling

> her

> > we have

> > > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have

offered

> to

> > give her and

> > > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I

come

> > to discuss

> > > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start

> > swotting!!

> > > Keep ya posted.

> > > Luv Caroline

> > > xxx

> > >

> >

>

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Hi Vicks

What is it that they do?

Zoe x

>

> My PCT say they do test and treat for heavy metal poisoning but

apparently

> it's all Mickey Mouse like a lot of other tests they do.

> Vicky

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Hi Vicks

What is it that they do?

Zoe x

>

> My PCT say they do test and treat for heavy metal poisoning but

apparently

> it's all Mickey Mouse like a lot of other tests they do.

> Vicky

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Hi Vicks

What is it that they do?

Zoe x

>

> My PCT say they do test and treat for heavy metal poisoning but

apparently

> it's all Mickey Mouse like a lot of other tests they do.

> Vicky

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I think the 'conventional' tests will look at levels in the blood - which is fine for a recent major exposure, but will not give you true results for long term, low level toxicity which is what our kids have got. The metals clear the blood relatively quickly and deposit in the brain, bones, kidneys ...... TinaZoe <zoe@...> wrote: Does anybody know what criteria the medical profession use to diagnose heavy metal poisoning? What test/s do they use - in children if possible?What if we all take this approach:Leave aside any question of autismProve heavy metal poisoning in our kids according to the medical profession's own criteria/testsAsk our GP's to treat our kids for heavy metal poisoningWhen the GPs say it is 'out of their

area of expertise', ask to be referred to an expertAll get referrals to DAN! Practitioners (the experts) on the NHS because there are no experts in chelating kids in the UK!!!! (unless anyone knows any?)Peta - your friend could contact the Childrens Legal Centre for advice about Social Services intrusion www.childrenslegalcentre.com and I hope she/he has made a complaint against the Paed, specifically asking (in writing) for the criteria against which a referral was made to social services. That is totally unacceptable.Zoe x> > >> > > > > > In a message dated 25/05/2006 11:03:37 GMT Standard Time, > > > sharon_asd_uk@ writes:> > > > > > Now THIS is INTERESTING> > > > > > > > > Sure is have already forwarded it to my paediatrician, telling > her > > we have > > > began using EDTA for s high lead levels and have offered > to > > give her and > > > any other staff interested a presentation on biomed when I come > > to discuss > > > s test results at the end of June (gulp) better start > >

swotting!!> > > Keep ya posted.> > > Luv Caroline> > > xxx> > >> >>

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