Re: Need help for 6 month old

July 25, 2006

Katrina,

You can do a hair analysis through Doctors Data Inc. You can do this

without a doctor. This is a very painless and reliable way to see what

toxins your baby might have. From there you can chelate her. Most

conventional testing that doctors do really does not show whether or

not she has mercury or most other metals for that fact. This hair test

will tell you if you follow the interpretation rules in the files.

As for her vaccines, while this is a personal choice, we have chosen

not to vaccinate our kids any further because current vaccines contain

a lot of aluminum and other nasty chemicals like ethylene glycol( yes,

antifreeze). I beleive that vaccinating my 3 year old son as an infant

had a lot to do with his problems now. He is very high in aluminum,

and we know he could never have gotten such a high level from food.

You can postpone the vaccines until you research it further, or you

can file a religious exemption. This usually is just a notarized

letter. Check your state laws. But it is your right to refuse those

shots and they cannot make you do it. I would read a book called " What

every parent should know about vaccines " and there are other great

books that give the facts. It will tell you what risks if any there

are to ever catch any of those diseases. Vaccines do damage the immune

system. If you are concerned with metals, it might be best to avoid

vaccinations. The flu vaccine still contains mercury. There are

natural ways to treat illnesses, and with a healthy immune system and

nutrition, she isn't likely to get those diseases anyway.

As for doctors, not to many know anything about metal exposure let

along acknowledge it's risks. Many of us are treating our kids on our

own, as it is fairly easy and not dangerous as doctors might try to

tell you. Likely if you run into the pediatrician with your baby and

tell them you think she is poisoned from tuna fish, they will think

you are crazy. What you can do is read the files section of this

board. It will tell you how to chelate and what supplements to take. I

would also read up on how to avoid any more metal exposures. For

example: using filtered water only, organic formula if you are not

nursing, etc. There are many sources of metals in the enviornment that

will add to her burden. So reducing those exposures is important.

All this information will seem overwelming at first, but it does get

easier to handle as you learn about it and what to do to help her and

yourself. Do you have any metal fillings? Were you vaccinated as a kid?

I did have my daughter tested for mercury with a blood test and it

showed a level of 1. Mercury does not stay in the blood very long

before settling into tissues and brain. The doctor dismissed our

concerns for her, however her hair test shows mercury. And we know she

was exposed from my fillings, her baby vaccines, and then her own

fillings, and the coal fired power plant down the road.

I have done five rounds of chelation with my son and two with my

daughter. It is a remarkable difference in them.

Does your baby show any signs? Yeast problems, thrush, colic, not

sleeping well, startling easy, crying a lot? She may not, but mine did.

Please feel free to ask whatever you need! This board is wonderful and

everyone here is great!

>

> Hi everyone! I am new here and I have a 6 month old daughter named

> Emma. When I was pregnant with her I ate a lot of tuna with out

> knowing the effects. I don't know where to go or what to do. She is

> due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether to give

> them to her or not. I am going to have a blood test done but I've

> heard that it really can't tell you. Does anyone have any ideas or

> suggestions as to what I should do? Is there a specific doctor I

need

> to contact? I want to catch it if anything is wrong to try to detox

> her if possible.

>

> Thank you,

> Katrina

>

July 25, 2006

Thank you so much for your help. Emma is smiling, laughing, and

cooing (no babble yet). She does tend to startle easy every now and

then. She has not had colic nor has she been hard to sooth. No

problems with food either. I am feeding her Enfamil Lipil as well as

Earth's Best Rice Cereal and Oatmeal. I have been wanting to use

Nordic Naturals omega supplements but I think that she is too young.

Have you ever used these?

I live in Texas and they offer all 3 exemptions for vaccs. I am

going to do what you suggested and postpone her shots till I finish

reading Dr. Cave's book.

I went to doctorsdata.com and it looks like they send to the test to

the doctor? Am I reading this wrong?

> >

> > Hi everyone! I am new here and I have a 6 month old daughter

named

> > Emma. When I was pregnant with her I ate a lot of tuna with out

> > knowing the effects. I don't know where to go or what to do. She

is

> > due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether to

give

> > them to her or not. I am going to have a blood test done but

I've

> > heard that it really can't tell you. Does anyone have any ideas

or

> > suggestions as to what I should do? Is there a specific doctor I

> need

> > to contact? I want to catch it if anything is wrong to try to

detox

> > her if possible.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Katrina

> >

>

July 25, 2006

To do a DDI hair elements test without a doctor you have to order it through

Direct Lab Services (DLS). They'll give you a discount if you mention this

group.

S S

Thank you so much for your help. Emma is smiling, laughing, and

cooing (no babble yet). She does tend to startle easy every now and

then. She has not had colic nor has she been hard to sooth. No

problems with food either. I am feeding her Enfamil Lipil as well as

Earth's Best Rice Cereal and Oatmeal. I have been wanting to use

Nordic Naturals omega supplements but I think that she is too young.

Have you ever used these?

I live in Texas and they offer all 3 exemptions for vaccs. I am

going to do what you suggested and postpone her shots till I finish

reading Dr. Cave's book.

I went to doctorsdata.com and it looks like they send to the test to

the doctor? Am I reading this wrong?

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July 25, 2006

Katrina,

Please watch these two videos before getting any shots:

1.

This is the shocking but extremely informative video documentary

Vaccination - The Hidden Truth (1998) where fifteen people,

including Dr. Viera Scheibner (a PhD researcher), five medical

doctors, other researchers, reveal what is really going on in

relation to illness and vaccines. Ironically, the important facts

come from the orthodox medicine?s own peer-reviewed research. With

so much government and medical promotion of vaccination for

prevention of disease, the video is clearly devoted to presenting

the other side of the issue that parents and others are not being

told. The result is a damning account of the ineffectiveness of

vaccines and their often harmful effects. It declares that parents

are not being told the truth by the media, the Health Department and

the medical establishment, with a medical doctor, Dr. Mark Donohoe,

confessing that " It is a problem for me that I am part of a

profession that is systematically lying to people? " . Find out how

vaccines are proven to have harmful effects to your health and why

do we still have to be vaccinated although there is no real need for

it. Although many people simply refuse to believe this, the

impeccable documentation presented in this amazing video has changed

the minds of many who saw it. 90 min.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?

docid=8610554679207090010 & q=Vaccination+-+The+Hidden+TruthDawnT

and 2.

See this video filmed by the University of Calgary of an actual

brain neuron - watch what happens to it when it is exposed to (a low

amount of) mercury: http://commons.ucalgary.ca/mercury/ The

following is a written article about this video:

http://unisci.com/stories/20011/0327013.htm

Mercury is the second most poisonous element known to man (next to

uranium and its derivatives). As illustrated in the above video,

neurons are observed to disintegrate in its presence. It has also

been found to cause changes to chromosomes.

The U.S. has known about the potential problems of thimerosal

(compound in vaccines that contains mercury) for many years. The

World Health Organization voiced concerns as far back as 1990.

Mercury is a highly toxic element which does not easily leave the

body. Once ingested, injected, or inhaled, it stays and accumulates.

An infant can receive in one day's doses of vaccines as much as the

absolute maximum set by the W.H.O. for 3 months of exposure, but it

is not safe at ANY level.

>

> Hi everyone! I am new here and I have a 6 month old daughter named

> Emma. When I was pregnant with her I ate a lot of tuna with out

> knowing the effects. I don't know where to go or what to do. She

is

> due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether to give

> them to her or not. I am going to have a blood test done but I've

> heard that it really can't tell you. Does anyone have any ideas or

> suggestions as to what I should do? Is there a specific doctor I

need

> to contact? I want to catch it if anything is wrong to try to

detox

> her if possible.

>

> Thank you,

> Katrina

>

July 25, 2006

Thank you for those videos. I have decided not to vacc anymore. I

should have done my research before I had Emma. But I am like the

millions of other parents - if the doctor says it's okay, then it

must be okay.

> >

> > Hi everyone! I am new here and I have a 6 month old daughter

named

> > Emma. When I was pregnant with her I ate a lot of tuna with out

> > knowing the effects. I don't know where to go or what to do. She

> is

> > due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether to

give

> > them to her or not. I am going to have a blood test done but

I've

> > heard that it really can't tell you. Does anyone have any ideas

or

> > suggestions as to what I should do? Is there a specific doctor I

> need

> > to contact? I want to catch it if anything is wrong to try to

> detox

> > her if possible.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Katrina

> >

>

July 25, 2006

Are there still vaccines available with Mercury? If no, what is

the danger of vaccinations now?

I have a friend with 5 month old twins. She is vaccinating bc she

says vaccines no longer contain mercury. I don't know how to

answer. I don't think I would vaccinate again but not sure how to

talk to her.

> > >

> > > Hi everyone! I am new here and I have a 6 month old daughter

> named

> > > Emma. When I was pregnant with her I ate a lot of tuna with

out

> > > knowing the effects. I don't know where to go or what to do.

She

> > is

> > > due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether to

> give

> > > them to her or not. I am going to have a blood test done but

> I've

> > > heard that it really can't tell you. Does anyone have any

ideas

> or

> > > suggestions as to what I should do? Is there a specific doctor

I

> > need

> > > to contact? I want to catch it if anything is wrong to try to

> > detox

> > > her if possible.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > > Katrina

> > >

> >

>

July 25, 2006

That was what I had thought also. But there has just been too much

research against vaccs. I just bought the book What your doctor may

not tell you about childhood vaccinations by Cave and it

was a total eye opener. I wish I would have read it before I had

Emma. If I would have she would not have been given any shots.

My deal was that I ate a lot of tuna during pregnancy. I am worried

about both. So I have decided to get the hair test and go from

there.

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone! I am new here and I have a 6 month old daughter

> > named

> > > > Emma. When I was pregnant with her I ate a lot of tuna with

> out

> > > > knowing the effects. I don't know where to go or what to do.

> She

> > > is

> > > > due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether

to

> > give

> > > > them to her or not. I am going to have a blood test done but

> > I've

> > > > heard that it really can't tell you. Does anyone have any

> ideas

> > or

> > > > suggestions as to what I should do? Is there a specific

doctor

> I

> > > need

> > > > to contact? I want to catch it if anything is wrong to try

to

> > > detox

> > > > her if possible.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you,

> > > > Katrina

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 25, 2006

Katrina,

Does she have symptoms of mercury poisoning?

Barb

[ ] Need help for 6 month old

Hi everyone! I am new here and I have a 6 month old daughter named

Emma. When I was pregnant with her I ate a lot of tuna with out

knowing the effects. I don't know where to go or what to do. She is

due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether to give

them to her or not. I am going to have a blood test done but I've

heard that it really can't tell you. Does anyone have any ideas or

suggestions as to what I should do? Is there a specific doctor I need

to contact? I want to catch it if anything is wrong to try to detox

her if possible.

Thank you,

Katrina

July 25, 2006

Hi Barb,

I don't think she is showing any symptoms of mercury poisoing. Are

the symptoms the same as autism? She is alert, smiling, laughing,

cooing, loves to be held, no sleep problems, or allergies. We are

working on sitting up right now.

Are there " red flag " signs that I need to be watching out for?

Katrina

>

> Katrina,

>

> Does she have symptoms of mercury poisoning?

>

> Barb

> [ ] Need help for 6 month old

>

> Hi everyone! I am new here and I have a 6 month old daughter

named

> Emma. When I was pregnant with her I ate a lot of tuna with out

> knowing the effects. I don't know where to go or what to do. She

is

> due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether to

give

> them to her or not. I am going to have a blood test done but

I've

> heard that it really can't tell you. Does anyone have any ideas

or

> suggestions as to what I should do? Is there a specific doctor I

need

> to contact? I want to catch it if anything is wrong to try to

detox

> her if possible.

>

> Thank you,

> Katrina

>

July 25, 2006

At 08:03 AM 7/25/2006, you wrote:

>She is

>due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether to give

>them to her or not.

For the shots - at the very least I would make sure they are

thimerosal free and I would do a " delayed " schedule so you aren't

overloading the system with any particular toxin at once (e.g.,

aluminum that has replaced the mercury). Doctors may not be happy

about this but you should be able to do it. A delayed schedule,

basically you do one shot a month instead of several at a

time. However, you might also consider not vaxing her at allor

vaxing selectively - read up on what is most important, etc.

There is so much reading out there...no clear answers. Good luck,

it's a tough call.

Stroyan

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July 25, 2006

Our 4 year old grandson has had NO vaccines. His 6 year old brother

was vaccine injured. The 4 year old is the healthiest of our 5

grandchildren.

> >She is

> >due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether to give

> >them to her or not.

>

> For the shots - at the very least I would make sure they are

> thimerosal free and I would do a " delayed " schedule so you aren't

> overloading the system with any particular toxin at once (e.g.,

> aluminum that has replaced the mercury). Doctors may not be happy

> about this but you should be able to do it. A delayed schedule,

> basically you do one shot a month instead of several at a

> time. However, you might also consider not vaxing her at allor

> vaxing selectively - read up on what is most important, etc.

>

> There is so much reading out there...no clear answers. Good luck,

> it's a tough call.

>

> Stroyan

> www.empathic-discipline.com

> Click here to email me directly:

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>

July 25, 2006

At 03:23 PM 7/25/2006, you wrote:

>I have a friend with 5 month old twins. She is vaccinating bc she

>says vaccines no longer contain mercury. I don't know how to

>answer. I don't think I would vaccinate again but not sure how to

>talk to her.

She needs to look at the package insert, because although they are

not manufacturing new childhood vaccines (flu shot is an exception I

believe) with mercury, they are " using up " the supply from before

(makes no sense to me!). Also people here have mentioned that they

replace it with aluminum compounds which may be just as bad or worse.

Stroyan

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July 25, 2006

I would not say there are red flags all the time. My daughter who

has mercury poisoning is not autistic and has no learning disorders.

Her symptoms very slowly appeared as she got older and minimal

exposures added to her mercury burden.

The symptoms can be very slight if the amount is minimal or they may

not appear until later on. If this is a serious concern it might be

worth spending $45 with a script or $95 without on a hair test to

rule it out. At least you will sleep at night and not worry that she

has it anymore.

Some symptoms to watch for however may be developmental delays,

fussing a lot, not sleeping, digestive problems, rashes,

irritability, diahrrea, or constipation, hyperactivity, and a lot

more. For my daughter, she was a fussy infant, pretty happy toddler,

all her developmental milestones were ahead of schedule, very

intelligent, by the age of three we started to notice that she was

getting moody and this progressed to where it looked like she had

bipolar at age 7. She has always had intolerance to dairy products,

an excema like rash that never went away. She did have oral thrush a

few times as a baby. She had yeast infections, urinary tract

infection as a preschooler, frequent urination, complained of vision

problems in elementary school. And her behavior just kept

deteriorating. She would have been given ADD medication or mood

medication for her temperament if I had not checked her hair. So for

us there were no really obvious symptoms. The infant thrush, colic,

etc. were all deemed normal by the doctor. But these did occur

around the same time as receiving mercury vaccines. The real trouble

showed up later on though. Developmentally she looks normal by any

doctor standard. My flag was her being moody, having social troubles

in school, depression, disagreeable, things that showed after age 3.

You can check on " Pink's Disease " . This was baby mercury poisoning

years back. But in higher doses so the symptoms may be more

obvious. With your baby who did not recieve mercury vaccines but

recieved it in utero..there may not be an obvious symptoms. But

carrying mercury eventually will disrupt adrenal function and

thyroid function as she gets older. That is when you see problems.

I wish it were easier to tell.

> >

> > Katrina,

> >

> > Does she have symptoms of mercury poisoning?

> >

> > Barb

> > [ ] Need help for 6 month old

> >

> > Hi everyone! I am new here and I have a 6 month old daughter

> named

> > Emma. When I was pregnant with her I ate a lot of tuna with

out

> > knowing the effects. I don't know where to go or what to do.

She

> is

> > due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether to

> give

> > them to her or not. I am going to have a blood test done but

> I've

> > heard that it really can't tell you. Does anyone have any

ideas

> or

> > suggestions as to what I should do? Is there a specific doctor

I

> need

> > to contact? I want to catch it if anything is wrong to try to

> detox

> > her if possible.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Katrina

> >

July 25, 2006

I completely agree with what Jan has said. My experience with my 5

year old, neurotypical (non-autistic) daughter has been the same.

There is no way she would qualify for any diagnosis, and in some ways

she is very gifted. However, the symptoms have been very slowly

accumulating... some troubling things like obsessive behaviour (not

EVER letting anyone sing her the Happy Bithday song, for example),

moodiness and extreme shyness, gagging for no discernable reason, odd

scalp/body odour, very " scattered " scribbly drawings, given her age

(this one comes and goes, much as her autistic brother's language

comes and goes), poor physical coordination, etc. Things that are

troubling but don't seem related, things that you can barely put your

finger on until you've been around autism for a while and are

familiar with the subtleties. I got a hair test for her this spring

and it was just horrendous.

René

>

> I would not say there are red flags all the time. My daughter who

> has mercury poisoning is not autistic and has no learning

disorders.

> Her symptoms very slowly appeared as she got older and minimal

> exposures added to her mercury burden.

>

> The symptoms can be very slight if the amount is minimal or they

may

> not appear until later on.

July 26, 2006

I recently had DDI hair elements test done with a script (had always done it

through DLS before) and they charged me $75.

S S

If this is a serious concern it might be

worth spending $45 with a script or $95 without on a hair test to

rule it out.

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July 26, 2006

There are several sites which list all the other nasty ingredients in vaccines:

aluminum, monkey kidney cells, aborted human fetal tissue, formaldehyde, etc.

S S

>I have a friend with 5 month old twins. She is vaccinating bc she

>says vaccines no longer contain mercury. I don't know how to

>answer. I don't think I would vaccinate again but not sure how to

>talk to her.

She needs to look at the package insert, because although they are

not manufacturing new childhood vaccines (flu shot is an exception I

believe) with mercury, they are " using up " the supply from before

(makes no sense to me!). Also people here have mentioned that they

replace it with aluminum compounds which may be just as bad or worse.

Stroyan

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July 26, 2006

Two of my nephews are unvaccinated and quite healthy.

S S

> >She is

> >due for her 6 month shots as well and I don't know whether to give

> >them to her or not.

>

> For the shots - at the very least I would make sure they are

> thimerosal free and I would do a " delayed " schedule so you aren't

> overloading the system with any particular toxin at once (e.g.,

> aluminum that has replaced the mercury). Doctors may not be happy

> about this but you should be able to do it. A delayed schedule,

> basically you do one shot a month instead of several at a

> time. However, you might also consider not vaxing her at allor

> vaxing selectively - read up on what is most important, etc.

>

> There is so much reading out there...no clear answers. Good luck,

> it's a tough call.

>

> Stroyan

> www.empathic-discipline.com

> Click here to email me directly:

> <mailto:lstroyan@...>lstroyan@...

>

>

July 26, 2006

Blood testing only shows very recent exposure. Consider doing a DDI hair

elements test and applying counting rules.

S S

Katrina,

Does she have symptoms of mercury poisoning?

Barb

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