Re: OT: Mineral supplement product recommendation - Vit. C question

[Guest guest]

My ds does not seem to tolerate Vit C. One of his worst problems has

been diarrhea; he's had it in varying degrees for 6 months now, no

matter what foods we eliminate, how many gut bugs we kill,

supplements, probiotic, etc. Some things make it worse, but nothing

has made it better. Vitamin C always makes it worse. But I'm worried

about not supplementing with C especially since we are getting ready

to start chelation (hopefully) in November. Any suggestions? Is

there a particular brand or type of Vit C that anyone has found less

problematic with diarrhea?

Thanks,

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> > Would a general multivit/mineral product be enough for chelation,at

> > least in an overall healthy person?

>

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> Probably. You might want to add more vitamin C, to help clear the

metals.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

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In general a buffered Vitamin C (mineral ascorbate) is always

better--not acidic in the body like regular ascorbic acid. If you are

having a problem with diarrhea, then a Calcium ascorbate (as opposed

to magnesium ascorbate) might be a better recommendation.

For the diarrhea itself, have you tried Saccharomyces Boulardii? It is

a " good " yeast that seems to be gradually working for my son. He never

had diarrhea, but always loose, unformed, watery BMs (no more than

once a day or once every two days--he never went often--so I hesitate

to call it diarrhea). We only give one capsule (from Kirkman Labs)

every morning on an empty stomach and it seems to be working to firm

things up. If you have a severe case, perhaps try 2-3 a day. Generally

that, a good probiotic, and a natural anti-fungal seems to keep yeast

at bay and also firmer stools.

Good luck with chelation... it's a great thing. Don't be discouraged

by initial setbacks, if any... the gains are tremendous!

D

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> > > Would a general multivit/mineral product be enough for chelation,at

> > > least in an overall healthy person?

> >

> >

> > Probably. You might want to add more vitamin C, to help clear the

> metals.

> >

> > Dana

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>

[Guest guest]

You're right about the buffered C, unless you have a kid with low stomach acid,

which many are, then ascorbic C is actually better as it provides the acid the

stomach needs to better digest and assimilate the other vitamin supplements that

are needed.

We found this out the hard way. Ours does way better with lots of just ascorbic

acid than she does with buffered C.

[ ] Re: OT: Mineral supplement product recommendation -

Vit. C question

,

In general a buffered Vitamin C (mineral ascorbate) is always

better--not acidic in the body like regular ascorbic acid. If you are

having a problem with diarrhea, then a Calcium ascorbate (as opposed

to magnesium ascorbate) might be a better recommendation.

For the diarrhea itself, have you tried Saccharomyces Boulardii? It is

a " good " yeast that seems to be gradually working for my son. He never

had diarrhea, but always loose, unformed, watery BMs (no more than

once a day or once every two days--he never went often--so I hesitate

to call it diarrhea). We only give one capsule (from Kirkman Labs)

every morning on an empty stomach and it seems to be working to firm

things up. If you have a severe case, perhaps try 2-3 a day. Generally

that, a good probiotic, and a natural anti-fungal seems to keep yeast

at bay and also firmer stools.

Good luck with chelation... it's a great thing. Don't be discouraged

by initial setbacks, if any... the gains are tremendous!

D

> > >

> > > Would a general multivit/mineral product be enough for chelation,at

> > > least in an overall healthy person?

> >

> >

> > Probably. You might want to add more vitamin C, to help clear the

> metals.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I'll try a buffered C. The ascorbic acid kind definitely

worsens his diarrhea. We've tried the S. Boulardii and unfortunately

no luck. We tried it for over a month and worked up to 2 a day and

still never saw an effect. Now, I was also giving him GSE during a

lot of that time so maybe it was killing off the S. Boulardii, but I

doubt it was killing all of them because we did a stool test and the

S. Boulardii showed up. So I guess it's just not helpful for us. I

will try it again just in case. I also have him on tons of

probiotics, we're up to 6 caps a day of Kirkman's inulin-free, which

is around 120 billion bacteria. I've heard some kids may need up to

400 billion but there's no way I can get that much into him! I'm

having to feed him a ton of pureed fruit a day to get his supplements

into him and I'm sure that's quite the yeast feast!

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> > > > Would a general multivit/mineral product be enough for

chelation,at

> > > > least in an overall healthy person?

> > >

> > >

> > > Probably. You might want to add more vitamin C, to help clear the

> > metals.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

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> My ds does not seem to tolerate Vit C. One of his worst problems has

> been diarrhea; he's had it in varying degrees for 6 months now, no

> matter what foods we eliminate, how many gut bugs we kill,

> supplements, probiotic, etc. Some things make it worse, but nothing

> has made it better. Vitamin C always makes it worse.

Try the buffered version, as previously suggested.

He also might not tolerate corn, most vitamin C is made from corn.

Try TwinLabs Allergy C, which is made from sago palm.

Chronic diarrhea can be a food intolerance issue, bacteria or

sometimes yeast, or deficiency in zinc and/or B vitamins [especially B12].

>>But I'm worried

> about not supplementing with C especially since we are getting ready

> to start chelation (hopefully) in November. Any suggestions?

Use another antioxidant, like selenium.

When I started my son on ALA, he did not tolerate supplements, so I

never gave vitamin C until about round 50. He still did okay, altho

it is best to give the supplements from the beginning if they are

tolerated.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Is your child corn-sensitive? Most vit. C is made from corn. You

could try Twinlabs corn-free Sago Palm C, or Nutricology's cassava C.

Suzanne

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> > > > Would a general multivit/mineral product be enough for

chelation,at

> > > > least in an overall healthy person?

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> > >

> > > Probably. You might want to add more vitamin C, to help clear

the

> > metals.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana. He has a mild IgG (1+) to corn but we fed him corn

products a couple times before we switched to SCD diet and he never

had a noticeable reaction. So I doubt it's the corn, but I will try

the TwinLabs Allergy C just in case.

We will definitely try selenium too. We actually just found out that

he is very deficient (almost in the red) in selenium, vanadium, and

molybdenum. We want to hit these hard because we're retesting in a

month, and if they've come up into the green our doc will let us begin

chelation. Any advice on what amounts and frequency to give, and

interactions with other supplements? My ds has a very leaky gut so

overdosing is unlikely, but I'd like to know the safe limits. It took

3 months of shoveling in 45 to 50 mg of zinc per day (he is 27 lbs) to

get his zinc levels barely into the green!! But of course his

zinc-copper ratio is STILL out of whack, yay. The battle wages on...

> Try the buffered version, as previously suggested.

>

> He also might not tolerate corn, most vitamin C is made from corn.

> Try TwinLabs Allergy C, which is made from sago palm.

>

> Chronic diarrhea can be a food intolerance issue, bacteria or

> sometimes yeast, or deficiency in zinc and/or B vitamins [especially

B12].

>

>

> >>But I'm worried

> > about not supplementing with C especially since we are getting ready

> > to start chelation (hopefully) in November. Any suggestions?

>

>

> Use another antioxidant, like selenium.

>

> When I started my son on ALA, he did not tolerate supplements, so I

> never gave vitamin C until about round 50. He still did okay, altho

> it is best to give the supplements from the beginning if they are

> tolerated.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> We will definitely try selenium too. We actually just found out that

> he is very deficient (almost in the red) in selenium, vanadium, and

> molybdenum. We want to hit these hard because we're retesting in a

> month, and if they've come up into the green our doc will let us begin

> chelation. Any advice on what amounts and frequency to give, and

> interactions with other supplements?

I gave my son 100mcg selenium. I tried giving 200mcg for a few days,

which was not good for him. But he did really well with 100mcg.

I never supplemented vanadium.

I gave moly 100mcg. I never noticed anything from this one, so I stopped.

Dana