Two (somewhat) Unusual Questions

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1) My son (almost 3 yo, PDD-NOS) has done two rounds of TD-DMSA (3

on, 11 off). Both times he seemed really hyper (though he's hyper

in general as well) and he had super acidic poop (mostly mush--as

usual). At least I'm guessing it was acidic. It certainly seemed

to burn his little bum in no time (which may be why he poop smeared

twice during the first round after having gone months and months

without doing so--we were sooo sad about it). He also had more

language and better awareness, so we're definitely wanting to

continue with chelation, but does anyone have any ideas about why

his poop was so " burny " to his rear? Has anyone else experienced a

resurgence of poop smearing upon initiation of chelation?

2) (Okay...OT I realize, but would really like some input on it) My

NT daughter (17 yo) has severe menstrual cramps each month. This

month they've been really bad (missed 2 school days), so she went to

the doc today and was prescribed low-dose birth control pills. I'm

definitely not crazy about that for many reasons. I know the b.c.

pills can help with cramping, but they also have risks. Does anyone

know any wonderful OTC remedy that will help her with the cramps? I

would SOOO much appreciate any help you can provide.

TIA!!

Kathy in Florida

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Hi Kathy!

This is a very incomplete reply, but I'm wondering if you have done a

DDI hair test on your daughter. One of the *possible reasons for PMS

problems is copper toxicity, and a hair test can usually pick that

up. When I finally got around to testing myself and my NT daughter,

I found out that we also had " issues " . Unfortunately, metal problems

cn be a family thing.

Keep in mind that there are probably 3000 other possible reasons for

PMS (hormone imbalance, magnesium deficiency, etc. etc.), so maybe

this is one of the things you can just keep in the back of your mind

while you try other things first. Copper is one of the easier things

to lower, if that's what this is.

I agree, there has got to be a better solution than birth control

pills.

take care

Rene

ps. I'd like to be a fount of wisdom re: poop smears, but

unfortunately we're back there too right now. :-( What dose/timing

did you settle on for chelation?

> 2) (Okay...OT I realize, but would really like some input on it) My

> NT daughter (17 yo) has severe menstrual cramps each month. >

Kathy in Florida

>

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>

> 2) (Okay...OT I realize, but would really like some input on it) My

> NT daughter (17 yo) has severe menstrual cramps each month. This

> month they've been really bad (missed 2 school days), so she went to

> the doc today and was prescribed low-dose birth control pills. I'm

> definitely not crazy about that for many reasons. I know the b.c.

> pills can help with cramping, but they also have risks. Does anyone

> know any wonderful OTC remedy that will help her with the cramps? I

> would SOOO much appreciate any help you can provide.

>

Hi Kathy, have you ever run a DDI hair test on your NT 17 dd? I would avoid

birth control

pills if at all possible and read up on hormone levels in women. Endometriosis

can be

aggravated by excess estrogen, if I remember correctly. Books by Christiane

Northup,

Lee, and there must be others. It might lead you to doing a saliva test

for your dd

and seeing what her hormones are doing each month. Perhaps the group over at

NaturalThyroidHormones () can help you out in the next step.

Metal toxicity, of course, can mess with the glands which produce the body's

hormones.

My advice, for her long term health, is to keep digging for root answers.

Best to you and your dd,

in Illinois

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Make sure she's drinking lots of water. Dehydration can be a contributing

cause.

S S

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> 2) (Okay...OT I realize, but would really like some input on it) My <br>

> NT daughter (17 yo) has severe menstrual cramps each month. > <br>

Kathy in Florida<br>

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What dose, dosing schedule are you using? What's your yeast protocol? What's

his diet like? Is he drinking plenty of water?

S S

<p>1) My son (almost 3 yo, PDD-NOS) has done two rounds of TD-DMSA

(3 <br>

on, 11 off). Both times he seemed really hyper (though he's hyper <br>

in general as well) and he had super acidic poop (mostly mush--as <br>

usual). At least I'm guessing it was acidic. It certainly seemed <br>

to burn his little bum in no time (which may be why he poop smeared <br>

twice during the first round after having gone months and months <br>

without doing so--we were sooo sad about it). He also had more <br>

language and better awareness, so we're definitely wanting to <br>

continue with chelation, but does anyone have any ideas about why <br>

his poop was so " burny " to his rear? Has anyone else experienced a <br>

resurgence of poop smearing upon initiation of chelation?<br>

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Thanks, Rene, , and ! I knew I could count on this

list for help! In terms of my son, for now we're doing .2 ml TD-

DMSA every four hours in a 3 on 11 off pattern. I could definitely

see us switching to oral in the future, though I've also been

reading some pretty good stuff about suppository (other than having

to stick it up their bum, that is). His diet isn't bad, but it

could be better. He's GFCF but we fall back on potatoes too much.

He needs more green veggies, but he's good about protein in a

variety of forms.

His yeast protocol for right now is GSE, once in am and once in pm

on round; once a day off round. After I sent my post, I saw where

someone had mentioned in another thread that GSE is very acidic.

I'm wondering if that's part (or all?) of the problem. I'd

appreciate any alternatives you can suggest. I do try to switch it

up a bit with Nystatin. The only problem there is that we tried the

compounded powder and couldn't get it down him, so he takes the non-

compounded Nystatin instead when we're doing that (but it's been a

while now). We also tried Diflucan but it did NOT agree with him.

He got more and more hyper throughout the whole 14 day cycle.

About the water issue--, you mentioned that for both my son and

my daughter. I think you're right. They could probably both

benefit from more water (and so could my husband and I). I need to

get us some good refillable bottles with measuring markings on the

side that encourage us to drink more. Anybody found some good ones

of those to recommend?

Rene and --You asked about a DDI hair test for my daughter.

We haven't done that, but I agree that it's a good idea. I keep

telling my husband that when we're done with everything for my son

(well, sorta done, I guess, meaning done with the big expensive

stuff) we should go ahead and get hair tests for the rest of us. He

looks at me askance, probably because we're stretched so far

financially right now (self-funding 10 hours of play-based ABA each

week plus biomed stuff) that there's almost no way we could do much

to help ourselves...BUT, if we did oral DMSA/ALA for us, it might be

feasible! Hmmm....

I did have one more question: Do I wait to see if/when the mercury,

lead, etc. have gone up and then down for my son before starting ALA?

Thanks again for all of your help. I still get a little scared as

we're going through this, freaking out (on the inside) if I see

anything that looks remotely like regression (even if it's only for

a moment or two), but I know it's worth it, and I'm glad to have

experienced listmembers who can offer such good advice!

Kathy in Florida

> <p>1) My son (almost 3 yo, PDD-NOS) has done two

rounds of TD-DMSA (3 <br>

> on, 11 off). Both times he seemed really hyper (though he's hyper

<br>

> in general as well) and he had super acidic poop (mostly mush--as

<br>

> usual). At least I'm guessing it was acidic. It certainly seemed

<br>

> to burn his little bum in no time (which may be why he poop

smeared <br>

> twice during the first round after having gone months and months

<br>

> without doing so--we were sooo sad about it). He also had more

<br>

> language and better awareness, so we're definitely wanting to <br>

> continue with chelation, but does anyone have any ideas about why

<br>

> his poop was so " burny " to his rear? Has anyone else experienced

a <br>

> resurgence of poop smearing upon initiation of chelation?<br>

>

>

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If the rest of you have ANY mercury amalgam dental fillings you would have to

get those out before you could safely chelate.

The main things to keep in mind before starting ALA are:

1. How did/does copper looks on the hair test, if it's high you need to bring

it down first.

2. When was the most recent new mercury exposure from dental filling removal or

vaccine? You need to wait 3-4 months after that.

3. Are things reasonably even keel with the DMSA so that you can tell if the

ALA were to cause any side effects.

S S

almost no way we could do much <br>

to help ourselves...<wbr>BUT, if we did oral DMSA/ALA for us, it might be <br>

feasible! Hmmm....<br>

<br>

I did have one more question: Do I wait to see if/when the mercury, <br>

lead, etc. have gone up and then down for my son before starting ALA?<br>

<br>

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> 1) My son (almost 3 yo, PDD-NOS) has done two rounds of TD-DMSA (3

> on, 11 off). Both times he seemed really hyper (though he's hyper

> in general as well) and he had super acidic poop (mostly mush--as

> usual). At least I'm guessing it was acidic. It certainly seemed

> to burn his little bum in no time

Burnt bottom, for my #2, meant he ate something not tolerated. Your

child might not tolerate the DMSA, or the cream base.

You can try increasing your yeast protocol, see if that helps.

> 2) (Okay...OT I realize, but would really like some input on it) My

> NT daughter (17 yo) has severe menstrual cramps each month.

Try ideas from these pages

http://www.kroger.com/hn/Concern/Dysmenorrhea.htm

http://www.kroger.com/hn/Concern/PMS.htm

Dana

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Some TD-DMSA has glutathione in with it. Some folks don't tolerate the

glutathione.

S S

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><br>

> 1) My son (almost 3 yo, PDD-NOS) has done two rounds of TD-DMSA (3 <br>

> on, 11 off). Both times he seemed really hyper (though he's hyper <br>

> in general as well) and he had super acidic poop (mostly mush--as <br>

> usual). At least I'm guessing it was acidic. It certainly seemed <br>

> to burn his little bum in no time<br>

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In addition to the below advice:

Nutritional deficiencies can cause menstrual cramps. The anti-oxidant

vitamins are helpful for correcting this: Vitamins A, C, E especially. Also

Young

Living Essential Oils makes a therapeutic-grade essential oil blend that is

helpful with menstrual issues. It's called " Dragon Time " . I have found great

benefit in using it. (_www.youngliving.com_ (http://www.youngliving.com) ).

In a message dated 12/3/2006 3:19:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

AndyCutler@... writes:

> 2) (Okay...OT I realize, but would really like some input on it) My

> NT daughter (17 yo) has severe menstrual cramps each month. This

> month they've been really bad (missed 2 school days), so she went to

> the doc today and was prescribed low-dose birth control pills. I'm

> definitely not crazy about that for many reasons. I know the b.c.

> pills can help with cramping, but they also have risks. Does anyone

> know any wonderful OTC remedy that will help her with the cramps? I

> would SOOO much appreciate any help you can provide.

Get Dr. Lee's books

WHat your doctor might NOT tell you about premenopause, and

Dr. Lee's Hormone Balance Made Simple

which will probably tell you how to sort this out with some OTC natural

progesterone

cream. But get the books, they are simple, not very expensive, and very

practical.

And yes, as someone else mentioned, do get a hair test for her.

Andy

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> 2) (Okay...OT I realize, but would really like some input on it) My

> NT daughter (17 yo) has severe menstrual cramps each month. This

> month they've been really bad (missed 2 school days), so she went to

> the doc today and was prescribed low-dose birth control pills. I'm

> definitely not crazy about that for many reasons. I know the b.c.

> pills can help with cramping, but they also have risks. Does anyone

> know any wonderful OTC remedy that will help her with the cramps? I

> would SOOO much appreciate any help you can provide.

Get Dr. Lee's books

WHat your doctor might NOT tell you about premenopause, and

Dr. Lee's Hormone Balance Made Simple

which will probably tell you how to sort this out with some OTC natural

progesterone

cream. But get the books, they are simple, not very expensive, and very

practical.

And yes, as someone else mentioned, do get a hair test for her.

Andy

[Guest guest]

I was plagued with terrible cramps like that. They resolved with the

removal of my mercury fillings. Is she mercury toxic?

>

>

> In addition to the below advice:

> Nutritional deficiencies can cause menstrual cramps. The anti-

oxidant

> vitamins are helpful for correcting this: Vitamins A, C, E

especially. Also Young

> Living Essential Oils makes a therapeutic-grade essential oil

blend that is

> helpful with menstrual issues. It's called " Dragon Time " . I have

found great

> benefit in using it. (_www.youngliving.com_

(http://www.youngliving.com) ).

>

>

>

> In a message dated 12/3/2006 3:19:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> AndyCutler@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> > 2) (Okay...OT I realize, but would really like some input on it)

My

> > NT daughter (17 yo) has severe menstrual cramps each month.

This

> > month they've been really bad (missed 2 school days), so she

went to

> > the doc today and was prescribed low-dose birth control pills.

I'm

> > definitely not crazy about that for many reasons. I know the

b.c.

> > pills can help with cramping, but they also have risks. Does

anyone

> > know any wonderful OTC remedy that will help her with the

cramps? I

> > would SOOO much appreciate any help you can provide.

>

> Get Dr. Lee's books

>

> WHat your doctor might NOT tell you about premenopause, and

>

> Dr. Lee's Hormone Balance Made Simple

>

> which will probably tell you how to sort this out with some OTC

natural

> progesterone

> cream. But get the books, they are simple, not very expensive,

and very

> practical.

>

> And yes, as someone else mentioned, do get a hair test for her.

>

> Andy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I don't know if she's mercury toxic, but many thanks to you Jan and

Andy and all the others who have been helping me out with this, both

on list and off. I've been so focused on recovering my son that I

haven't taken the time (or money) to get hair tests on the other

four in my family (including myself). Two people have now

recommended Dr. Lee's vitamin and hormone therapy, so I think that's

sounding like a very good direction to go. I'm also looking at

gradually getting all of the mercury fillings out of my husband's,

daughter's, and my teeth (thank goodness my two sons don't have any--

and never will!). Anybody know any millionaires wanting to spread

their wealth to the (mercury-filled) needy?

Kathy

> >

> >

> > In addition to the below advice:

> > Nutritional deficiencies can cause menstrual cramps. The anti-

> oxidant

> > vitamins are helpful for correcting this: Vitamins A, C, E

> especially. Also Young

> > Living Essential Oils makes a therapeutic-grade essential oil

> blend that is

> > helpful with menstrual issues. It's called " Dragon Time " . I have

> found great

> > benefit in using it. (_www.youngliving.com_

> (http://www.youngliving.com) ).

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 12/3/2006 3:19:48 P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> > AndyCutler@ writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > 2) (Okay...OT I realize, but would really like some input on

it)

> My

> > > NT daughter (17 yo) has severe menstrual cramps each month.

> This

> > > month they've been really bad (missed 2 school days), so she

> went to

> > > the doc today and was prescribed low-dose birth control pills.

> I'm

> > > definitely not crazy about that for many reasons. I know the

> b.c.

> > > pills can help with cramping, but they also have risks. Does

> anyone

> > > know any wonderful OTC remedy that will help her with the

> cramps? I

> > > would SOOO much appreciate any help you can provide.

> >

> > Get Dr. Lee's books

> >

> > WHat your doctor might NOT tell you about premenopause, and

> >

> > Dr. Lee's Hormone Balance Made Simple

> >

> > which will probably tell you how to sort this out with some OTC

> natural

> > progesterone

> > cream. But get the books, they are simple, not very expensive,

> and very

> > practical.

> >

> > And yes, as someone else mentioned, do get a hair test for her.

> >

> > Andy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

You just mentioned that your daughter has metal fillings?

This is likely the culprit. I had terrible cramps for all my periods

until I had those fillings out. The mercury in them messes with

estrogen and progesterin. I hate to see her suffer into her 30's

like I did. See about getting her fillings replaced safely.

If they have fillings and/or have been vaccinated...they are mercury

toxic. The hormone thing you mention might help in the meantime. But

this will be a lifelong problem if she keeps the fillings. My sister

suffers this way too because she has not had her out.

We refinanced the house to replace the fillings. That way we didn't

feel the payment, our mortgage actually ended up being $20 cheaper a

month.

> > >

> > >

> > > In addition to the below advice:

> > > Nutritional deficiencies can cause menstrual cramps. The anti-

> > oxidant

> > > vitamins are helpful for correcting this: Vitamins A, C, E

> > especially. Also Young

> > > Living Essential Oils makes a therapeutic-grade essential oil

> > blend that is

> > > helpful with menstrual issues. It's called " Dragon Time " . I

have

> > found great

> > > benefit in using it. (_www.youngliving.com_

> > (http://www.youngliving.com) ).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 12/3/2006 3:19:48 P.M. Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > > AndyCutler@ writes:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > 2) (Okay...OT I realize, but would really like some input on

> it)

> > My

> > > > NT daughter (17 yo) has severe menstrual cramps each month.

> > This

> > > > month they've been really bad (missed 2 school days), so she

> > went to

> > > > the doc today and was prescribed low-dose birth control

pills.

> > I'm

> > > > definitely not crazy about that for many reasons. I know the

> > b.c.

> > > > pills can help with cramping, but they also have risks. Does

> > anyone

> > > > know any wonderful OTC remedy that will help her with the

> > cramps? I

> > > > would SOOO much appreciate any help you can provide.

> > >

> > > Get Dr. Lee's books

> > >

> > > WHat your doctor might NOT tell you about premenopause, and

> > >

> > > Dr. Lee's Hormone Balance Made Simple

> > >

> > > which will probably tell you how to sort this out with some

OTC

> > natural

> > > progesterone

> > > cream. But get the books, they are simple, not very

expensive,

> > and very

> > > practical.

> > >

> > > And yes, as someone else mentioned, do get a hair test for

her.

> > >

> > > Andy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[ ] Re: Two (somewhat) Unusual Questions

> 2) (Okay...OT I realize, but would really like some input on it) My

> NT daughter (17 yo) has severe menstrual cramps each month. This

> month they've been really bad (missed 2 school days), so she went to

> the doc today and was prescribed low-dose birth control pills. I'm

> definitely not crazy about that for many reasons. I know the b.c.

> pills can help with cramping, but they also have risks. Does anyone

> know any wonderful OTC remedy that will help her with the cramps? I

> would SOOO much appreciate any help you can provide.

Get Dr. Lee's books

WHat your doctor might NOT tell you about premenopause, and

Dr. Lee's Hormone Balance Made Simple

which will probably tell you how to sort this out with some OTC natural

progesterone

cream. But get the books, they are simple, not very expensive, and very

practical.

And yes, as someone else mentioned, do get a hair test for her.

Andy