Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Hi there, I was told by my DAN that ALA does not cross the blood-brain barrier and that it is an antioxidant not a chelator. Is this true? It sounds like people are chelating with ALA only. It does look like many chelate with ALA along side DMSA or DMPS. Is it better to use two at a time verses just one? Have any of you seen results just with ALA chelation? It seemed as if my DAN was not for chelating with ALA, has anyone else had this experience with their DAN? Could it just be because it is not a drug? Thanks!! Darci Quote
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Hi , I know our DAN uses DMSA suppositories and IV chelation. She told us that our son is not a good candidate for chelation right now because he is so deficient in minerals. I explained to her that he has been eating a very healthy diet for almost 2 years and his tests results have not changed. I also told her I had read that the metals could be causing the absorption problem and she disagreed. This is when I mentioned the ALA and she said what she did. Unfortunately we are dealing with all three metals (mercury, arsenic, and lead). We did not know my son was missing the gene that produces glutathione until he was 3. I also think he is very agravated by chemicals and enviromental toxins. We are really considering moving forward with the ALA approach. My fear is the minerals deficiencys and I don't want to cause any more harm. However I think we have to do something and waiting for his gut to heal is now going on 2 years. Anyways thanks for your input. I am so glad I found this board. Thanks! Darci > > > <p>Hi there,<br> > <br> > I was told by my DAN that ALA does not cross the blood-brain barrier <br> > and that it is an antioxidant not a chelator. Is this true? > > *NO. ALA is available over-the-counter and he won't make a profit on it so that may be why he's steering you away from it. It is an antioxidant and that's generally how it's marketed (probably because so many people have mercury amalgam dental fillings and shouldn't take it with them still in) but it is a chelator. > > It <br> > sounds like people are chelating with ALA only. It does look like <br> > many chelate with ALA along side DMSA or DMPS. Is it better to use <br> > two at a time verses just one? > > *Depends on the individual and what metals one is dealing with. ALA chelates mercury and arsenic. DMSA chelates mercury from the body and lead. > > Have any of you seen results just with <br> > ALA chelation? > > *Check out www.danasview.net . She has chelated all four of her kids with just ALA. > > It seemed as if my DAN was not for chelating with ALA, <br> > has anyone else had this experience with their DAN? Could it just be <br> > because it is not a drug?<br> > > *What is he suggesting and how much of a profit will he make off it? Is he suggesting something that requires (or he thinks requires) a prescription so you'll have to keep coming back to him? Is he suggesting something that his office happens to sell? > > <br> > Thanks!!<br> > <br> > Darci<br> > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > Quote
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 How about giving him minerals? Kids with metals are usually deficientin minerals, there bodies are uptaking lead instead of calcium and zinc. Maybe suggest a trial of dmsa to see how he does. And ala in my personal experience crosses the bbb. I got one heck of a headache taking it, and it made my mercury symptoms reappear like nothing I have ever taken. It certainly moves mercury. > > > > > > <p>Hi there,<br> > > <br> > > I was told by my DAN that ALA does not cross the blood-brain > barrier <br> > > and that it is an antioxidant not a chelator. Is this true? > > > > *NO. ALA is available over-the-counter and he won't make a profit > on it so that may be why he's steering you away from it. It is an > antioxidant and that's generally how it's marketed (probably because > so many people have mercury amalgam dental fillings and shouldn't > take it with them still in) but it is a chelator. > > > > It <br> > > sounds like people are chelating with ALA only. It does look like > <br> > > many chelate with ALA along side DMSA or DMPS. Is it better to > use <br> > > two at a time verses just one? > > > > *Depends on the individual and what metals one is dealing with. > ALA chelates mercury and arsenic. DMSA chelates mercury from the > body and lead. > > > > Have any of you seen results just with <br> > > ALA chelation? > > > > *Check out www.danasview.net . She has chelated all four of her > kids with just ALA. > > > > It seemed as if my DAN was not for chelating with ALA, <br> > > has anyone else had this experience with their DAN? Could it just > be <br> > > because it is not a drug?<br> > > > > *What is he suggesting and how much of a profit will he make off > it? Is he suggesting something that requires (or he thinks > requires) a prescription so you'll have to keep coming back to him? > Is he suggesting something that his office happens to sell? > > > > <br> > > Thanks!!<br> > > <br> > > Darci<br> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 > I was told by my DAN that ALA does not cross the blood-brain barrier It appears his arrogance is exceeded only by his ignorance and I would strongly suggest you go see a real doctor intsead. > sounds like people are chelating with ALA only. It does look like <br> > many chelate with ALA along side DMSA or DMPS. Is it better to use <br> > two at a time verses just one? This depends on individual response. Some people do better with just ALA, some better with a combination. Andy Quote
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 I actually supplement with calcium, 400mg magnesium, 100mg of zinc, calcium, picmins, Brainchild minerals and vitamins, vit C, CoQ10 etc. I guess this is why I am so distraught that he is deficient. He eats a very healthy organic diet, yet is still deficient in aminos as well. I can't think of anything else that would be stopping his absorption except mentals. We just did a urine test out of France that checks the porphyrins in his urine which confirmed that his metals are at a toxic level and could be causing effect on the bodily physiology. He is a very sensitive kid so I am assuming I would need to start at a very low dose and work up. > > > > > > > > > <p>Hi there,<br> > > > <br> > > > I was told by my DAN that ALA does not cross the blood-brain > > barrier <br> > > > and that it is an antioxidant not a chelator. Is this true? > > > > > > *NO. ALA is available over-the-counter and he won't make a > profit > > on it so that may be why he's steering you away from it. It is an > > antioxidant and that's generally how it's marketed (probably > because > > so many people have mercury amalgam dental fillings and shouldn't > > take it with them still in) but it is a chelator. > > > > > > It <br> > > > sounds like people are chelating with ALA only. It does look > like > > <br> > > > many chelate with ALA along side DMSA or DMPS. Is it better to > > use <br> > > > two at a time verses just one? > > > > > > *Depends on the individual and what metals one is dealing with. > > ALA chelates mercury and arsenic. DMSA chelates mercury from the > > body and lead. > > > > > > Have any of you seen results just with <br> > > > ALA chelation? > > > > > > *Check out www.danasview.net . She has chelated all four of her > > kids with just ALA. > > > > > > It seemed as if my DAN was not for chelating with ALA, <br> > > > has anyone else had this experience with their DAN? Could it > just > > be <br> > > > because it is not a drug?<br> > > > > > > *What is he suggesting and how much of a profit will he make off > > it? Is he suggesting something that requires (or he thinks > > requires) a prescription so you'll have to keep coming back to > him? > > Is he suggesting something that his office happens to sell? > > > > > > <br> > > > Thanks!!<br> > > > <br> > > > Darci<br> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Oral DMSA and ALA are available without prescriptions. DMSA chelates mercury from the body (not brain) and lead. ALA chelates mercury and arsenic. S S <p>Hi ,<br> <br> I know our DAN uses DMSA suppositories and IV chelation. She told <br> us that our son is not a good candidate for chelation right now <br> because he is so deficient in minerals. I explained to her that he <br> has been eating a very healthy diet for almost 2 years and his tests <br> results have not changed. I also told her I had read that the <br> metals could be causing the absorption problem and she disagreed. <br> This is when I mentioned the ALA and she said what she did.<br> <br> Unfortunately we are dealing with all three metals (mercury, <br> arsenic, and lead). We did not know my son was missing the gene <br> that produces glutathione until he was 3. I also think he is very <br> agravated by chemicals and enviromental toxins. We are really <br> considering moving forward with the ALA approach. My fear is the <br> minerals deficiencys and I don't want to cause any more harm. <br> However I think we have to do something and waiting for his gut to <br> heal is now going on 2 years.<br> <br> Anyways thanks for your input. I am so glad I found this board.<br> <br> Thanks!<br> <br> Darci<br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Posted November 3, 2006 Darci, I personally feel that if you wait till you get the minerals or gut just right you will be waiting forever. I am not a fan of suppositories nor of IV chelation, you can do oral much more cheaply and safely. My recommendation to you is: 1. Get your child on some good supplements 2. Get a good yeast protocol ready 3. Get some Over The Counter DMSA 4. Do about 10 rounds of chelation on your own (AC protocol) 5. Observe the results for yourself Beats the heck out of letting the years slip by with very little to show for it other than DAN! doctor bills. Good Luck ! Neil _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of darciannklotz Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: [ ] Re: ALA chelation Hi , I know our DAN uses DMSA suppositories and IV chelation. She told us that our son is not a good candidate for chelation right now because he is so deficient in minerals. I explained to her that he has been eating a very healthy diet for almost 2 years and his tests results have not changed. I also told her I had read that the metals could be causing the absorption problem and she disagreed. This is when I mentioned the ALA and she said what she did. Unfortunately we are dealing with all three metals (mercury, arsenic, and lead). We did not know my son was missing the gene that produces glutathione until he was 3. I also think he is very agravated by chemicals and enviromental toxins. We are really considering moving forward with the ALA approach. My fear is the minerals deficiencys and I don't want to cause any more harm. However I think we have to do something and waiting for his gut to heal is now going on 2 years. Anyways thanks for your input. I am so glad I found this board. Thanks! Darci > > > <p>Hi there,<br> > <br> > I was told by my DAN that ALA does not cross the blood-brain barrier <br> > and that it is an antioxidant not a chelator. Is this true? > > *NO. ALA is available over-the-counter and he won't make a profit on it so that may be why he's steering you away from it. It is an antioxidant and that's generally how it's marketed (probably because so many people have mercury amalgam dental fillings and shouldn't take it with them still in) but it is a chelator. > > It <br> > sounds like people are chelating with ALA only. It does look like <br> > many chelate with ALA along side DMSA or DMPS. Is it better to use <br> > two at a time verses just one? > > *Depends on the individual and what metals one is dealing with. ALA chelates mercury and arsenic. DMSA chelates mercury from the body and lead. > > Have any of you seen results just with <br> > ALA chelation? > > *Check out www.danasview.net . She has chelated all four of her kids with just ALA. > > It seemed as if my DAN was not for chelating with ALA, <br> > has anyone else had this experience with their DAN? Could it just be <br> > because it is not a drug?<br> > > *What is he suggesting and how much of a profit will he make off it? Is he suggesting something that requires (or he thinks requires) a prescription so you'll have to keep coming back to him? Is he suggesting something that his office happens to sell? > > <br> > Thanks!!<br> > <br> > Darci<br> > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite. <http://www.excite.com> com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > Quote
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Posted November 6, 2006 > > I am confused now. On my daughter's hair test most of her elements > were low, except magnesium. I understood from Andy's protocol that > she needed additional supplementation during chelation to avoid > further mineral depletion. I also heard that the high magnesium level > would indicate no absorbtion of magnesium. So these statements > conflict. Does low levels in the hair indicate poor absorption or > normal absorption? I don't know that these conflict. You have low levels of magnesium being excreted in the hair. This means there is not much magnesium to excrete, or it is in the body and not being excreted. If the second is true, it means it is being absorbed and used, or it is stuck in the body [like mercury]. Are you supplementing with magnesium? Were you supplementing at the time of the hair test? >>If my daughter is mineral toxic than I am nervous > to continue with the high supplementation. Any time I gave my son minerals, it caused a lot of problems. Are you noticing any problems? If you remove the minerals for a few days, are there problems? Dana Quote
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Posted November 6, 2006 My daughter was on 30 mg of magnesium from the Brainchild Spectrum Support at the time of the hair test. Over the last month we increased it by 250 mg (recommendation was an additional 300 mg). She sucked her lip and breathed deeply up until this weekend and then it declined. (We are still in a rest period and will resume ALA this Friday) I reduced the Vit A today and also reduced the calcium yesterday. Would it be wise to stop all additional supplementation for a couple of days so close to resuming ALA? Jen > > > > I am confused now. On my daughter's hair test most of her elements > > were low, except magnesium. I understood from Andy's protocol that > > she needed additional supplementation during chelation to avoid > > further mineral depletion. I also heard that the high magnesium level > > would indicate no absorbtion of magnesium. So these statements > > conflict. Does low levels in the hair indicate poor absorption or > > normal absorption? > > > I don't know that these conflict. You have low levels of magnesium > being excreted in the hair. This means there is not much magnesium to > excrete, or it is in the body and not being excreted. If the second > is true, it means it is being absorbed and used, or it is stuck in the > body [like mercury]. > > Are you supplementing with magnesium? Were you supplementing at the > time of the hair test? > > > >>If my daughter is mineral toxic than I am nervous > > to continue with the high supplementation. > > > Any time I gave my son minerals, it caused a lot of problems. Are you > noticing any problems? If you remove the minerals for a few days, are > there problems? > > Dana > Quote
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Posted November 7, 2006 > > My daughter was on 30 mg of magnesium from the Brainchild Spectrum > Support at the time of the hair test. This is not a very high dose, so it probably would not affect the test either way. >>Over the last month we > increased it by 250 mg (recommendation was an additional 300 mg). This is not very high either. USRDA for adults is 400mg. > She sucked her lip and breathed deeply up until this weekend and > then it declined. (We are still in a rest period and will resume ALA > this Friday) I reduced the Vit A today and also reduced the calcium > yesterday. Would it be wise to stop all additional supplementation > for a couple of days so close to resuming ALA? It depends on if the reductions in the supplements are causing problems, or positives, or you don't notice changes. Dana Quote
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 Dana, Isn't there risks to starting with ALA. Doesn't it drag metals to the brain? I haven't read Andy's book yet so I am just trying understand the theory. @...: danasview@...: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:36:13 +0000Subject: Re: ALA Chelation > Another question Dana,> Your website says to have bloodwork done while undergoing the > chelation processI don't remember writing that, but I would recommend certain testingif you will be using certain chelators.>> - did you actually do this?No, I used ALA, which does not stress the organs like other chelators do.>> If so, what needs to be > tested and how often?Depends on which chelator you are using.> Was the bloodwork for the DMSA? I think I recall you recommeneded > DMSA before the ALA, correct?I only used ALA. I don't really recommend DMSA, altho some peoplelike to start with that one. It does work better for lead than ALA does.DMSA would require bloodwork, in my opinion, to test for proper liverand kidney functioning. It does stress the liver and kidneys.Dana _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_mobile\ _052008 Quote
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Posted May 9, 2008 Thanks Dana, I really appreciate the information you have given me and will put it in practice to see how my boys go. Regards Olga -- In , " danasview " <danasview@...> wrote: > > > > Hello Dana, > > My boys are on NCD and doing quite well, but a friend told me that I > > will need to use ALA to get rid of the mercury from the brain. > > > Yes, ALA removes mercury from the brain. I chelated all four of my > kids with ALA. > > > > Would you be able to tell me what dosage to use on a 7 and 8 years old. > > > I gave ALA 3x per day, 3 days on and 4 days off. Some kids don't do > well with this protocol and need ALA every 3-4 hours, including during > the night. > > I started my kids with 25mg per dose. > > Dana > Quote
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Posted May 9, 2008 > Dana, > Isn't there risks to starting with ALA. In my opinion, not as much risk as starting with DMSA. >>Doesn't it drag metals to the brain? The potential is there, but I used anti-oxidants to prevent that problem from occuring for my son. Try giving vitamin C and selenium with each dose of ALA. Dana Quote
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Posted May 9, 2008 Hi, i post a question in other group regarding to ALA chelation and its yeast overgrowth side effect. There is a feedback which I'd like to share with you. Here is the copy: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --------------------------------- Our compounder in conjunction with our DAN formulated nebulized ALA for us from their injectable form. We love it. My son can not tolerate more than 4 days on it because he is actually detoxing on it. We nebulize it 1X for 3 days with excellent results. I was not looking to chelate on it. I wanted it for mito support but we think he is actually pulling metals on it, with the chelation like gains and the same after effects of IV. We are on a 2 week trial/experiment with the compounder but I am ready to reorder after all the unexpected gains. Thus far no yeast like problems that we had with oral. We will be adding DMSA suppositories shortly with this. In the past, we had tried oral with good results but tons of yeast. TD did absolutely nothing. ALA is great for our kids in so many ways, mito support, crosses the BBB, and it's a fabulous antioxidant. I researched it's effects on the lungs nubulizing risks etc and founds it is a common treatment for lung inflammation and Asthma. So thrilled we found a way to add it without all the nasty yeast. Quote
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Posted May 9, 2008 What do you think are the negative sides to DMSA? From: danasview@... Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:15:14 +0000 Subject: Re: ALA Chelation > Dana, > Isn't there risks to starting with ALA. In my opinion, not as much risk as starting with DMSA. >>Doesn't it drag metals to the brain? The potential is there, but I used anti-oxidants to prevent that problem from occuring for my son. Try giving vitamin C and selenium with each dose of ALA. Dana _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skyd\ rive_052008 Quote
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