Re: Chelation and Sleep Questions

August 28, 2006

> We are on week 12 of oral dmsa/ala chelation. We do 4 days on and 3

> off, for 3 weeks than 11 days off. I am putting the dmsa/ala in my

> sons drink as he does not take capsules. We have not noticed any

> improvements. He has been much more hyper and sleeps alot less.

First, consider increasing your yeast protocol.

>>Is there

> anywhere to get the transdermal creme w/o a script?

Not so far as I know, unless you make your own.

> Second question is sleep. No matter what we do he will only sleep 7

> hours at most.

Yeast overgrowth, phenol intolerance, a few other foods, several

supplements, all can cause this. What does he eat and what

supplements do you give?

If you adjust the timing of certain supplements, you might be able to

get him to stay awake longer, like to 10pm, if nothing else.

Dana

August 28, 2006

We have been using nystatin for about 4 months, and I have used

threelac, but threelac causes direaha really bad. Should I try GSE?

I found out the hard way that SNT from kirkmans effects him

horribly. I put him on a multi vitamin called vibe by eniva and

that makes him a little hyper. I got some peptide enzymnes from

houstan and give him a zyme prime also with every meal.

Am I supposed to do the yeast treatment during the chelation

rounds? Should I try GSE?

Thanks Dana

> > We are on week 12 of oral dmsa/ala chelation. We do 4 days on

and 3

> > off, for 3 weeks than 11 days off. I am putting the dmsa/ala in

my

> > sons drink as he does not take capsules. We have not noticed

any

> > improvements. He has been much more hyper and sleeps alot less.

>

> First, consider increasing your yeast protocol.

>

> >>Is there

> > anywhere to get the transdermal creme w/o a script?

>

> Not so far as I know, unless you make your own.

>

> > Second question is sleep. No matter what we do he will only

sleep 7

> > hours at most.

>

> Yeast overgrowth, phenol intolerance, a few other foods, several

> supplements, all can cause this. What does he eat and what

> supplements do you give?

>

> If you adjust the timing of certain supplements, you might be able

to

> get him to stay awake longer, like to 10pm, if nothing else.

>

> Dana

>

August 28, 2006

We have been using nystatin for about 4 months, and I have used

threelac, but threelac causes direaha really bad. Should I try GSE?

I found out the hard way that SNT from kirkmans effects him

horribly. I put him on a multi vitamin called vibe by eniva and

that makes him a little hyper. I got some peptide enzymnes from

houstan and give him a zyme prime also with every meal.

Am I supposed to do the yeast treatment during the chelation

rounds? Should I try GSE?

Thanks Dana

> > We are on week 12 of oral dmsa/ala chelation. We do 4 days on

and 3

> > off, for 3 weeks than 11 days off. I am putting the dmsa/ala in

my

> > sons drink as he does not take capsules. We have not noticed

any

> > improvements. He has been much more hyper and sleeps alot less.

>

> First, consider increasing your yeast protocol.

>

> >>Is there

> > anywhere to get the transdermal creme w/o a script?

>

> Not so far as I know, unless you make your own.

>

> > Second question is sleep. No matter what we do he will only

sleep 7

> > hours at most.

>

> Yeast overgrowth, phenol intolerance, a few other foods, several

> supplements, all can cause this. What does he eat and what

> supplements do you give?

>

> If you adjust the timing of certain supplements, you might be able

to

> get him to stay awake longer, like to 10pm, if nothing else.

>

> Dana

>

August 28, 2006

We have been using nystatin for 4 months, this is also put into a

drink. I have no phenol enzymes I use with the zyme prime with

every meal. I found out SNT was causing some hyperness, so I am

using vibe by Eniva, it also cause some hyperness, but I need a

mulit vitamin for him. Any suggestions? Also for yeast we have

used threelac but it gives him direaha. Should I try GSE? His

doctor says he has an intolerence for vita b6, which is hard to

avoid in a multi. Any suggestions, sorry for the rambling, I get

litlle or no sleep lol. Thanks

> > We are on week 12 of oral dmsa/ala chelation. We do 4 days on

and 3

> > off, for 3 weeks than 11 days off. I am putting the dmsa/ala in

my

> > sons drink as he does not take capsules. We have not noticed

any

> > improvements. He has been much more hyper and sleeps alot less.

>

> First, consider increasing your yeast protocol.

>

> >>Is there

> > anywhere to get the transdermal creme w/o a script?

>

> Not so far as I know, unless you make your own.

>

> > Second question is sleep. No matter what we do he will only

sleep 7

> > hours at most.

>

> Yeast overgrowth, phenol intolerance, a few other foods, several

> supplements, all can cause this. What does he eat and what

> supplements do you give?

>

> If you adjust the timing of certain supplements, you might be able

to

> get him to stay awake longer, like to 10pm, if nothing else.

>

> Dana

>

August 28, 2006

What did his hair test show? What metals are you dealing with? What's his diet

like? What dose and dosing schedule (every how many hours)and how much does he

weigh?

S S

We are on week 12 of oral dmsa/ala chelation. We do 4 days on

and 3

off, for 3 weeks than 11 days off. I am putting the dmsa/ala in my

sons drink as he does not take capsules. We have not noticed any

improvements. He has been much more hyper and sleeps alot less. My

question is that by putting the chelating agents in a drink does that

dilute them? Are we getting the effect needed? Our doctor will not

use transdermal creme unless the oral is causing problems. Is there

anywhere to get the transdermal creme w/o a script?

Second question is sleep. No matter what we do he will only sleep 7

hours at most. He is in 1st grade, and they do not nap. He is hard

to keep awake so he is asleep most nights by 8 and up by 2 or 3am. I

am falling apart because lack of sleep, and I am sick constantly

because of this. Has anyone else experienced this and found a way to

help?

Also the hyperactivity is really bad, gaba works a little but not

enough. Any suggestions?

Thanks for any help in advance

Mandy

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August 28, 2006

Ok I am having horrible problems with this page today. So if this

is a repost I am sorry. Hair test showed high aresenic, mercury,

and aluminum. His diet is dairy free with limited gluten and

enzymes. We give him 37 mg every 2.5 hours, but this is in a drink

so when he finishes maybe a little time altered. He weighs 65 lbs.

The doctor just told us to do 50 mg three times a day.

Thanks

> We are on week 12 of oral dmsa/ala chelation. We

do 4 days on and 3

> off, for 3 weeks than 11 days off. I am putting the dmsa/ala in

my

> sons drink as he does not take capsules. We have not noticed any

> improvements. He has been much more hyper and sleeps alot less.

My

> question is that by putting the chelating agents in a drink does

that

> dilute them? Are we getting the effect needed? Our doctor will

not

> use transdermal creme unless the oral is causing problems. Is

there

> anywhere to get the transdermal creme w/o a script?

> Second question is sleep. No matter what we do he will only sleep

7

> hours at most. He is in 1st grade, and they do not nap. He is

hard

> to keep awake so he is asleep most nights by 8 and up by 2 or

3am. I

> am falling apart because lack of sleep, and I am sick constantly

> because of this. Has anyone else experienced this and found a way

to

> help?

> Also the hyperactivity is really bad, gaba works a little but not

> enough. Any suggestions?

> Thanks for any help in advance

> Mandy

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August 28, 2006

For us it seems that the dmsa makes them sleep less. I have noticed

this with both kids and when taking it myself. Either I can't fall

asleep at all or I can't stay asleep. We have been using melatonin

and now we all sleep. I find for myself that I only need it for

about four nights after stopping dmsa. My daughter needs it

continually, and my son needs it most nights. He is 40 pounds and I

give him 1/4 of a 1mg tablet around 8pm..and we don't see him until

7-8am.

The dmsa does seem to make him a bit more hyper, I say a bit because

he is hyper anyway. I am not sure if it is from yeast during dsma,

or the dmsa itself.

But some of the hyper is lessened when we give him melatonin and he

has gotten a good nights sleep. It might buy you a few nights sleep

as well so you can regain the " thinking clearly " mode.

Mixing it into his drinks will not dilute the effectiveness.

Transdermal dosing is a bit more tricky as it is not known exactly

the amount that is absorbed..this may be why the doc is reluctant to

give you this. It also can have a bad odor. Oral dosing is more

relible if your child can tolerate it.

Have you eliminated all sources of foods that might make him hyper

such as food coloring/additives? (probably, but just a thought).

More likely yeast has something to do with this. We just prepare

ourselves that " he is on a round and going to be bouncing around all

day " then we let him bounce and run him at the playground. I have

not tried anything else for the hyperness during the day, but you

could look into chamomile, something calming.

>

> We are on week 12 of oral dmsa/ala chelation. We do 4 days on and

3

> off, for 3 weeks than 11 days off. I am putting the dmsa/ala in

my

> sons drink as he does not take capsules. We have not noticed any

> improvements. He has been much more hyper and sleeps alot less.

My

> question is that by putting the chelating agents in a drink does

that

> dilute them? Are we getting the effect needed? Our doctor will

not

> use transdermal creme unless the oral is causing problems. Is

there

> anywhere to get the transdermal creme w/o a script?

> Second question is sleep. No matter what we do he will only sleep

7

> hours at most. He is in 1st grade, and they do not nap. He is

hard

> to keep awake so he is asleep most nights by 8 and up by 2 or

3am. I

> am falling apart because lack of sleep, and I am sick constantly

> because of this. Has anyone else experienced this and found a way

to

> help?

> Also the hyperactivity is really bad, gaba works a little but not

> enough. Any suggestions?

> Thanks for any help in advance

> Mandy

>

August 28, 2006

>

> We are on week 12 of oral dmsa/ala chelation. We do 4 days on and 3

> off, for 3 weeks than 11 days off. I am putting the dmsa/ala in my

> sons drink as he does not take capsules. We have not noticed any

> improvements. He has been much more hyper and sleeps alot less.

What could be happening is that yeast is masking improvements. When my

son is up in the middle of the night it is yeast. What kind of yeast

protocol have you got going?

Nell

August 28, 2006

We have been using nystatin for 4 months, I have also used threelac

but it causes direaha. also using probiotics daily.

> >

> > We are on week 12 of oral dmsa/ala chelation. We do 4 days on

and 3

> > off, for 3 weeks than 11 days off. I am putting the dmsa/ala in

my

> > sons drink as he does not take capsules. We have not noticed

any

> > improvements. He has been much more hyper and sleeps alot less.

>

> What could be happening is that yeast is masking improvements.

When my

> son is up in the middle of the night it is yeast. What kind of

yeast

> protocol have you got going?

>

> Nell

>

August 28, 2006

Hi Mandy,

Good that you didn't follow the docs dosing schedule. Consider lowering your

dose. Andy recommends 1/8-1/2 mg per lb. That would be about 6-33 mg. What's

your yeast protocol? Does he eats lots of carbs? Which supplements does he

take? Have you identified and reduced/removed sources of exposure to mercury,

arsenic, and aluminum?

S S

Ok I am having horrible problems with this page today. So if

this

is a repost I am sorry. Hair test showed high aresenic, mercury,

and aluminum. His diet is dairy free with limited gluten and

enzymes. We give him 37 mg every 2.5 hours, but this is in a drink

so when he finishes maybe a little time altered. He weighs 65 lbs.

The doctor just told us to do 50 mg three times a day.

Thanks

> We are on week 12 of oral dmsa/ala chelation. We

do 4 days on and 3

> off, for 3 weeks than 11 days off. I am putting the dmsa/ala in

my

> sons drink as he does not take capsules. We have not noticed any

> improvements. He has been much more hyper and sleeps alot less.

My

> question is that by putting the chelating agents in a drink does

that

> dilute them? Are we getting the effect needed? Our doctor will

not

> use transdermal creme unless the oral is causing problems. Is

there

> anywhere to get the transdermal creme w/o a script?

> Second question is sleep. No matter what we do he will only sleep

7

> hours at most. He is in 1st grade, and they do not nap. He is

hard

> to keep awake so he is asleep most nights by 8 and up by 2 or

3am. I

> am falling apart because lack of sleep, and I am sick constantly

> because of this. Has anyone else experienced this and found a way

to

> help?

> Also the hyperactivity is really bad, gaba works a little but not

> enough. Any suggestions?

> Thanks for any help in advance

> Mandy

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August 29, 2006

> > We are on week 12 of oral dmsa/ala chelation. We

> do 4 days on and 3

> > off, for 3 weeks than 11 days off. I am putting the dmsa/ala in

> my

> > sons drink as he does not take capsules. We have not noticed

any

>

> > improvements. He has been much more hyper and sleeps alot

less.

> My

> > question is that by putting the chelating agents in a drink does

> that

> > dilute them? Are we getting the effect needed? Our doctor will

> not

> > use transdermal creme unless the oral is causing problems. Is

> there

> > anywhere to get the transdermal creme w/o a script?

> > Second question is sleep. No matter what we do he will only

sleep

> 7

> > hours at most. He is in 1st grade, and they do not nap. He is

> hard

> > to keep awake so he is asleep most nights by 8 and up by 2 or

> 3am. I

> > am falling apart because lack of sleep, and I am sick constantly

>

> > because of this. Has anyone else experienced this and found a

way

> to

> > help?

> > Also the hyperactivity is really bad, gaba works a little but

not

>

> > enough. Any suggestions?

> > Thanks for any help in advance

> > Mandy

>

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August 29, 2006

> We have been using nystatin for about 4 months, and I have used

> threelac, but threelac causes direaha really bad. Should I try GSE?

You can if you want. Start with one drop in the morning, to see how

he tolerates it.

> I found out the hard way that SNT from kirkmans effects him

> horribly. I put him on a multi vitamin called vibe by eniva and

> that makes him a little hyper. I got some peptide enzymnes from

> houstan and give him a zyme prime also with every meal.

Try giving the vitamin with No-Fenol, see if that helps the hyper.

> Am I supposed to do the yeast treatment during the chelation

> rounds?

This is usually a good idea, because chelation does tend to increase

yeast.

Dana

August 29, 2006

Thank you Dana

I ordered some gse yesterday. I sure hope it helps him. I have

yeast problems myself, so I know how bad it can make you feel.

Is threelac a good product or not?

Mandy

> > We have been using nystatin for about 4 months, and I have used

> > threelac, but threelac causes direaha really bad. Should I try

GSE?

>

> You can if you want. Start with one drop in the morning, to see

how

> he tolerates it.

>

> > I found out the hard way that SNT from kirkmans effects him

> > horribly. I put him on a multi vitamin called vibe by eniva and

> > that makes him a little hyper. I got some peptide enzymnes from

> > houstan and give him a zyme prime also with every meal.

>

> Try giving the vitamin with No-Fenol, see if that helps the hyper.

>

> > Am I supposed to do the yeast treatment during the chelation

> > rounds?

>

> This is usually a good idea, because chelation does tend to

increase

> yeast.

>

> Dana

>

August 29, 2006

Doesn't threelac contain dairy? I think I remember someone saying it does.

S S

Is threelac a good product or not?

Mandy

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August 30, 2006

>

> Thank you Dana

> I ordered some gse yesterday. I sure hope it helps him. I have

> yeast problems myself, so I know how bad it can make you feel.

> Is threelac a good product or not?

I have never used it, but I have read some good reports about it. You

can try it if you want.

Dana

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