Re: Re: Andy/Moria -- what's going on with this hair test?

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[ ] Re: Andy/Moria -- what's going on with this hair

test?

Ni Nell,

I posted yesterday but it seems that my post did not go through...

Amy Yasko says that viruses hold onto metals. I am starting to

believe it. I've chelated my severe ASD son for 2 years and that

brought him language and his autistic-like behaviors went away. We

took a 10 months break thinking we were all done but he started

having absence seizures so I resumed some supplements and chelation.

Nothing really happened. I started anti-virals and I now see lots of

good thigs happening (he is very happy, much more mature socially and

emotionally, very creative and his imaginary play really took a turn).

His first hair test met two of the counting rules. Then, hair tests

kept improving on chelation, his last one was normal. I plan on doing

another one next month and I bet this one is not going to look

normal. We'll see, I'll keep you posted.

>

> The background: n (age 7) has done 73 rounds of ALA or

ALA+DMSA,

> with such great improvements he's lost his dx although is not

> completely recovered. This is his fourth hair test. The first was

> suspicious, the second, after 23 rounds, was " unusual " for 3 rules

and

> had 4 toxic elements in the red and 2 in the yellow. Below are the

> third and fourth tests, taken a year apart.

>

> Why would the third test, after 40-some rounds, look normalized, and

> the fourth, after 72 rounds, meet the counting rules? Does that mean

> further exposure? I'm continuing to chelate because he still usually

> seems better during a round, but his main problem now is recurring

> viral trouble. Is the hair test at all affected by viruses? I guess

my

> main question is, wouldn't you expect that after 2.5 years of

> chelation and supps, and the dx dropped, that the hair test would

have

> normalized?

>

> Toxic Elements result #3/resul t#4 ref range % #3/% #4

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--

> Aluminum 9.7/13 <8.0

yellow/yellow

> Antimony 0.028/0.014 <0.066 green/green

> Arsenic 0.059/0.047 <0.080 green/green

> Beryllium <0.01/<0.01 <0.020 blank/blank

> Bismuth 0.035/0.021 <0.12 green/green

> Cadmium 0.090/0.088 <0.15 green/green

> Lead 0.54/.048 <1.0 green/green

> Mercury 0.13/0.07 <0.40 green/green

> Platinum <0.003/<0.003 <0.005 blank/blank

> Thallium <0.001/<0.001 <0.010 blank/blank

> Thorium <0.001/<0.001 <0.005 blank/blank

> Uranium 0.007/0.003 <0.060 green/green

> Nickel 0.13/0.11 <0.40 green/green

> Silver 0.12/0.09 <0.13 green/green

> Tin 0.16/0.08 <.0.30 green/green

> Titanium 0.55/1.1 <1.0 green/yellow

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

-

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--

> Elements result #3/ #4 ref range % #3/% #4

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--

> Calcium 298/242 160-500 green under/green under

> Magnesium 96/120 12-50 yellow over/yellow over

> Sodium 28/12 12-90 green under/green under

> Potassium 31/<3 10-40 white/red under

> Copper 14/16 9-30 green under/white

> Zinc 190/170 110-190 green under/green under

> Manganese 0.19/0.18 0.18-0.60 green under/green under

> Chromium 0.38/0.37 0.23-0.50 green over/green over

> Vanadium 0.058/0.053 0.025-0.10 green over/white

> Molybdenum 0.066/0.054 0.040-0.089 green over/green under

> Boron 0.34/0.21 0.50-3.5 yellow under/yellow under

> Iodine 0.66/0.37 0.25-1.3 green over/green under

> Lithium <0.004/0.004 0.007-0.023 red under/red under

> Phosphorus 159/165 160-250 green under/green under

> Selenium 1.2/0.99 0.95-1.7 white/green under

> Strontium 0.32/0.63 0.21-2.1 green under/green under

> Sulfur 55300/47600 45500-53000 yellow over/green under

> Barium 0.33/0.40 0.19-1.6 green under/green under

> Cobalt 0.015/0.008 0.013-0.035 green under/yellow under

> Iron 16/17 6-17 green over/green over

> Germanium 0.041/0.035 0.045/0.065 yellow under/yellow under

> Rubidium 0.023/0.008 0.008-0.080 white/green under

> Zirconium 0.059/0.20 0.060-0.70 green under/green under

>

> Thanks for your thoughts.

>

> Nell

>

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I asked Andy about this one time and he said No, this was incorrect, that

viruses do not hold onto metals.

>

> Amy Yasko says that viruses hold onto metals. I am starting to

> believe it.

Anyone here being treated by Yasko? I got a bad vibe from her book,

but of course she could be right about viruses even if she's wrong

about a lot of other stuff (ALA being a chelator, for example).

I started anti-virals and I now see lots of

> good thigs happening (he is very happy, much more mature socially and

> emotionally, very creative and his imaginary play really took a turn)

Yes, that's what antivirals did here too, along with cognitive clarity.

> His first hair test met two of the counting rules. Then, hair tests

> kept improving on chelation, his last one was normal. I plan on doing

> another one next month and I bet this one is not going to look

> normal. We'll see, I'll keep you posted.

*Please do! The pattern of your son's tests so far makes sense --

gradual improvement that matches with his recovery. And I can see how

a hair test could look normal when there's still some Hg or lead

causing damage. But I don't see why n's test would normalize and

*then meet the counting rules. Or I mean I can see that events could

cause that to happen but I have no idea what they were in this case.

Nell

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It is different to be an adult, who was poisoned later by dental amalgams, after

the brain is full developed, and a child who was poisoned by vaccinations

during the time of optimal brain growth.

[ ] Re: Andy/Moria -- what's going on with this hair

test?

> I posted yesterday but it seems that my post did not go through...

Me too.

>

> Amy Yasko says that viruses hold onto metals. I am starting to

> believe it.

Anyone here being treated by Yasko? I got a bad vibe from her book,

but of course she could be right about viruses even if she's wrong

about a lot of other stuff (ALA being a chelator, for example).

I started anti-virals and I now see lots of

> good thigs happening (he is very happy, much more mature socially and

> emotionally, very creative and his imaginary play really took a turn)

Yes, that's what antivirals did here too, along with cognitive clarity.

> His first hair test met two of the counting rules. Then, hair tests

> kept improving on chelation, his last one was normal. I plan on doing

> another one next month and I bet this one is not going to look

> normal. We'll see, I'll keep you posted.

*Please do! The pattern of your son's tests so far makes sense --

gradual improvement that matches with his recovery. And I can see how

a hair test could look normal when there's still some Hg or lead

causing damage. But I don't see why n's test would normalize and

*then meet the counting rules. Or I mean I can see that events could

cause that to happen but I have no idea what they were in this case.

Nell

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[Guest guest]

Yes, linked, but he was quite adamant about there not being any advantage to

getting rid of the viruses before the metals would be excreted. I believe he

said he would be glad to discuss/debate that idea with anyone.

--- Original Message -----

From: ferdeson

Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 1:20 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Andy/Moria -- what's going on with this hair

test?

>

> I asked Andy about this one time and he said No, this was incorrect,

that viruses do not hold onto metals.

>

>

>

Right, I remember reading that. If I recall correctly he even says that

once you are done chelating, your immune system should be strong enough

to fight and eliminate the viruses.

Some people say that if you get rid off viruses, then your body can

finally excrete metals on his own.

I am no expert, but it seems to me that viruses and metals are linked

somehow...

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What is Lamictal? An anti-seizure drug? Not going there. Craig was on

Depakote for three years, horribly high doses due to our neurologist. I

have terrible regrets for listening to him.

Since we've upped his Taurine levels, we've not seen a seizure since.

Barb

[ ] Re: Andy/Moria -- what's going on with this hair

test?

> If your child has viral issues you need to do a 48hr eeg to rule out

> continuous spike and wave seizures. My son has been having them

> since 3 and have never been diagnosed even though we have done so

> many eegs. He has started on Lamictal and he is really starting to

> progress.

>

> We did chelate for years with good results but nothing like the

> Lamictal has done overnight.

>

> nne

>

>> >

>> > The background: n (age 7) has done 73 rounds of ALA or

>> ALA+DMSA,

>> > with such great improvements he's lost his dx although is not

>> > completely recovered. This is his fourth hair test. The first was

>> > suspicious, the second, after 23 rounds, was " unusual " for 3

> rules

>> and

>> > had 4 toxic elements in the red and 2 in the yellow. Below are

> the

>> > third and fourth tests, taken a year apart.

>> >

>> > Why would the third test, after 40-some rounds, look normalized,

> and

>> > the fourth, after 72 rounds, meet the counting rules? Does that

> mean

>> > further exposure? I'm continuing to chelate because he still

> usually

>> > seems better during a round, but his main problem now is

> recurring

>> > viral trouble. Is the hair test at all affected by viruses? I

> guess

>> my

>> > main question is, wouldn't you expect that after 2.5 years of

>> > chelation and supps, and the dx dropped, that the hair test would

>> have

>> > normalized?

>> >

>> > Toxic Elements result #3/resul t#4 ref range % #3/%

> #4

>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

> ---

>> --

>> > Aluminum 9.7/13 <8.0

>> yellow/yellow

>> > Antimony 0.028/0.014 <0.066

> green/green

>> > Arsenic 0.059/0.047 <0.080

> green/green

>> > Beryllium <0.01/<0.01 <0.020

> blank/blank

>> > Bismuth 0.035/0.021 <0.12

> green/green

>> > Cadmium 0.090/0.088 <0.15

> green/green

>> > Lead 0.54/.048 <1.0

> green/green

>> > Mercury 0.13/0.07 <0.40

> green/green

>> > Platinum <0.003/<0.003 <0.005

> blank/blank

>> > Thallium <0.001/<0.001 <0.010

> blank/blank

>> > Thorium <0.001/<0.001 <0.005

> blank/blank

>> > Uranium 0.007/0.003 <0.060

> green/green

>> > Nickel 0.13/0.11 <0.40

> green/green

>> > Silver 0.12/0.09 <0.13

> green/green

>> > Tin 0.16/0.08 <.0.30

> green/green

>> > Titanium 0.55/1.1 <1.0

> green/yellow

>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

> ---

>> -

>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

> ---

>> --

>> > Elements result #3/ #4 ref range % #3/% #4

>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------

> ---

>> --

>> > Calcium 298/242 160-500 green under/green

> under

>> > Magnesium 96/120 12-50 yellow over/yellow

> over

>> > Sodium 28/12 12-90 green under/green

> under

>> > Potassium 31/<3 10-40 white/red under

>> > Copper 14/16 9-30 green under/white

>> > Zinc 190/170 110-190 green under/green

> under

>> > Manganese 0.19/0.18 0.18-0.60 green under/green

> under

>> > Chromium 0.38/0.37 0.23-0.50 green over/green over

>> > Vanadium 0.058/0.053 0.025-0.10 green over/white

>> > Molybdenum 0.066/0.054 0.040-0.089 green over/green under

>> > Boron 0.34/0.21 0.50-3.5 yellow under/yellow

> under

>> > Iodine 0.66/0.37 0.25-1.3 green over/green under

>> > Lithium <0.004/0.004 0.007-0.023 red under/red under

>> > Phosphorus 159/165 160-250 green under/green

> under

>> > Selenium 1.2/0.99 0.95-1.7 white/green under

>> > Strontium 0.32/0.63 0.21-2.1 green under/green

> under

>> > Sulfur 55300/47600 45500-53000 yellow over/green

> under

>> > Barium 0.33/0.40 0.19-1.6 green under/green

> under

>> > Cobalt 0.015/0.008 0.013-0.035 green under/yellow

> under

>> > Iron 16/17 6-17 green over/green over

>> > Germanium 0.041/0.035 0.045/0.065 yellow under/yellow

> under

>> > Rubidium 0.023/0.008 0.008-0.080 white/green under

>> > Zirconium 0.059/0.20 0.060-0.70 green under/green

> under

>> >

>> > Thanks for your thoughts.

>> >

>> > Nell

>> >

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