Re: Urine toxic metals test came back

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Which chelator are you using? How long have you been chelating? Mercury can

also take a while. Have you identified and reduced/removed sources of exposure?

S S

<p>And doesn't make sense. My dds hair test showed off the page

amounts <br>

of aluminum. She didn't meet the counting rules, but is suspicious. We <br>

did the urine toxic metals (I divided the doses up so it ended up being <br>

slightly higher than the usual chelation dose - but did the AC <br>

protocol) and it showed her pulling huge amounts of thallium and <br>

nickel. NO mercury or aluminum. How can this be. I know aluminum is <br>

one of the last to show up, but how come there was no mercury? Can she <br>

really not have mercury poisoning? <br>

And what does it mean that her creatinine was low. Reference range was <br>

25-180 hers was 25.<br>

Thank you for any insight<br>

Wyndie <br>

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Wyndie,

I have often heard it said that the best predictor of whether to

chelate is to do 10-20 rounds of a safe protocal and see what

happens. I have heard often that many parents don't see the mercury

coming out on the test, but the behavior is improving. As for low

creatinine, that's a good thing. From what our DAN! Dr. has told

us, low creatinine means that they are well hydrated. When

chelating with DMSA, the metals come out in the urine, so you want

to have your child well hydrated and basically, peeing a lot.

Hope that helps!

>

> And doesn't make sense. My dds hair test showed off the page

amounts

> of aluminum. She didn't meet the counting rules, but is

suspicious. We

> did the urine toxic metals (I divided the doses up so it ended up

being

> slightly higher than the usual chelation dose - but did the AC

> protocol) and it showed her pulling huge amounts of thallium and

> nickel. NO mercury or aluminum. How can this be. I know

aluminum is

> one of the last to show up, but how come there was no mercury?

Can she

> really not have mercury poisoning?

> And what does it mean that her creatinine was low. Reference

range was

> 25-180 hers was 25.

> Thank you for any insight

> Wyndie

>

[Guest guest]

>>NO mercury or aluminum. How can this be. I know aluminum is

> one of the last to show up, but how come there was no mercury? Can she

> really not have mercury poisoning?

I know mercury is one of the last ones to show up. Not sure about

aluminum.

Dana

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Comments interspersed.

S S

<p>Does anyone know who does the hairtests and do I need a

doctor<br>

prescription.

*A lab called Doctor's Data, Inc. does the hairtests. You want the Hair

Elements test so you can apply the counting rules. A doctor can order the test,

or you can order it yourself through Direct Lab Services. If you mention this

list they will give you a discount.

Also are hair tests more reliable than urine tests?

*Yes, if you get the correct one and apply the counting rules.

My<br>

ds 24 hour urine test shows no indication of heavy metals, but he was<br>

not taking any chelating agents.

*Then it's likely his body can't excrete them. It's good that you didn't do a

challenge test because of the high single dose of chelator. Did he have

vaccines, did you/does he have mercury amalgam dental fillings, did you/does he

eat tuna, does he have other exposures that you're aware of?

I am waiting to get into a<br>

nephrologist before trying any chelators on him due to his family<br>

history of nephrosis/kidney problems.<br>

Farhin<br>

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Farhin,

I don't quite know where to start with this one.

I would like to say that I feel you are right on in your assessment that the

problem lies with the vaccines.

I would also like to pass a message along to your hubby to get his head out

of his A$$ and start supporting his wife !

Well, I feel better now, although that is a bit over the top for me.

I strongly suggest that you explore the immune system support discussions

and most importantly the anti-viral discussions.

You should check into the High Dose Vit-A protocol and possibly Valtrex . I

think Dana has some good stuff on this.

Not sure about his diet, but some things like dairy can make the gut more

prone to problems.

Keep in mind that your DAN! doctor may not necessarily recommend the best

approach to the problem, they tend to have " cookie cutter " methods and vary

from DAN! to DAN!

Keep posting specific details about diet and supplements, etc.

Good luck !

Neil

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Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 1:14 PM

Subject: Re: Re: [ ] Urine toxic metals test came back

,

I am so thankful for and surprised for the free help members of this group

give.

The questions you asked:

1) Do I have amalgams? Yes, only I do: 4 and they are breaking down.

I am scheduled with a IOMT dentist to get them out next week. They

were breaking down when I was pregnant with both our kids too.

2) I was giving him a lot more Salmon, Tuna and seafood because the

hype was Omega3.... I even paid a lot for it at Whole foods for

Alaskan tuna. It turns out even those streams are polluted. We are

off all seafood for now. He loves/craves it though.

3)*****Yes he had every recommended dose of the poisonous vaccines and

has leaky gut now. I finally took DS to a wellness doctor/MD who does

chelation. He wanted to testing IF both parents were on board for

treatment. Doctor said, it's expensive testing($1K+) and it's not for

the simply curious, he just likes to document and confirm his

suspicions. My husband refused it because he thinks it's a parenting

issue (me being the bad parent) for not inspiring him to do homework

faster. I just don't know how a child could lose reading fluency over

the year without there being a biological insult and I remember one

specifically. The Varicella shot (1998 lot) that the Texas school

insisted I get for my son when we moved here. For months afterwards

he woke up with nightmares and got mysterious diareah and very higher

fevers one night it was 106. It was at the end of a month of

continuous illness and doctor appointments and in the middle of the

night so I didn't take him to the ER because I didn't want him to be

waiting uncomfortably for hours when I could just give him a cool

bath. I probably should have called 911. In anycase, I took him the

next day to his pediatrician who gave him an antibiotic. A month

later in April another bout of diareah, I just put pullup diapers on

my 8yr old. Then blood in his stool, and blood work that showed a low

white blood cell count, then 2 weeks later normal. His mainstream

pediatrician just said sometimes our body is just fighting an

infection. She still doesn't take me seriously. She left me a

message today, satisfied to prove my theory wrong that he doesn't have

heavy metals in his urine.

I'm pretty frustrated with my situation because I have to fight my

husband on this too. I want to intervene before having to develop a

full blown learning disability like by 6 year old who is identified

for years as ADD. I don't know who to focus on first. I myself have

ADD. I need to do get my darn amalgams out, get myself on some good

ADD meds then come up with a chelation plan for me and the 6 yr old.

I would have prefered to do it with a doctor documenting everything

for my children. While I can start with the 6 yr old, I dare not

attempt anything with the 8 yr old till his kidneys are checked out.

The nephrologist will see him in December. I feel like the clock is

ticking for my 8yold and I'm pretty frustrated today.

Thank you so much.

Farhin

On 11/3/06, Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@

<mailto:_Shepard%40excite.com> excite.com> wrote:

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>

>

>

>

>

> Comments interspersed.

> S S

>

>

>

> <p>Does anyone know who does the hairtests and do I need a doctor<br>

> prescription.

>

> *A lab called Doctor's Data, Inc. does the hairtests. You want the Hair

> Elements test so you can apply the counting rules. A doctor can order the

> test, or you can order it yourself through Direct Lab Services. If you

> mention this list they will give you a discount.

>

> Also are hair tests more reliable than urine tests?

>

> *Yes, if you get the correct one and apply the counting rules.

>

> My<br>

> ds 24 hour urine test shows no indication of heavy metals, but he was<br>

> not taking any chelating agents.

>

> *Then it's likely his body can't excrete them. It's good that you didn't

do

> a challenge test because of the high single dose of chelator. Did he have

> vaccines, did you/does he have mercury amalgam dental fillings, did

you/does

> he eat tuna, does he have other exposures that you're aware of?

>

> I am waiting to get into a<br>

> nephrologist before trying any chelators on him due to his family<br>

> history of nephrosis/kidney problems.<br>

> Farhin<br>

>

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[Guest guest]

, We are using DMSA. Only 2 rounds for this child so far so I

haven't added ALA yet. I have not figured out where the sources are -

nothing jumps out at me except the immunizations she received as

well as her exposure to my amalgams in utero. To my knowledge there

is no current source. I'm just shaking my head trying to figure out

where she's getting all this nickle and thallium from and wondering

why that's the first thing she's dumping. I KNOW she is mercury

toxic. I am rereading Cutler's Amalgam Illness now and hopefully

will understand the process better.

Thanks, Wyndie

> <p>And doesn't make sense. My dds hair test showed off

the page amounts <br>

> of aluminum. She didn't meet the counting rules, but is

suspicious. We <br>

> did the urine toxic metals (I divided the doses up so it ended up

being <br>

> slightly higher than the usual chelation dose - but did the AC <br>

> protocol) and it showed her pulling huge amounts of thallium and

<br>

> nickel. NO mercury or aluminum. How can this be. I know aluminum

is <br>

> one of the last to show up, but how come there was no mercury? Can

she <br>

> really not have mercury poisoning? <br>

> And what does it mean that her creatinine was low. Reference range

was <br>

> 25-180 hers was 25.<br>

> Thank you for any insight<br>

> Wyndie <br>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you , I didn't realize we should wait to do the urine

metal test. That makes sense though. And thanks for the info on the

low creatinine. Now I'm wondering if maybe she was just so well

hydrated that any mercury she pulled was too diluted to show up on

the lab report. Learn something new every day

Thanks again, Wyndie

> >

> > And doesn't make sense. My dds hair test showed off the page

> amounts

> > of aluminum. She didn't meet the counting rules, but is

> suspicious. We

> > did the urine toxic metals (I divided the doses up so it ended up

> being

> > slightly higher than the usual chelation dose - but did the AC

> > protocol) and it showed her pulling huge amounts of thallium and

> > nickel. NO mercury or aluminum. How can this be. I know

> aluminum is

> > one of the last to show up, but how come there was no mercury?

> Can she

> > really not have mercury poisoning?

> > And what does it mean that her creatinine was low. Reference

> range was

> > 25-180 hers was 25.

> > Thank you for any insight

> > Wyndie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nickel is in all sorts of things. Hydrogenated food contains some. It's also

in hair permanent solutions. It usually takes a long time for the mercury to

come out. As her body gets rid of these other toxins it will become easier for

her body to get rid of the mercury. Be patient. Two rounds is early to expect

to see it. Observing positive behavior changes/reduction of symptoms is a less

expensive way to tell if things are happening with testing once in a while.

S S

<p>, We are using DMSA. Only 2 rounds for this child so far so

I <br>

haven't added ALA yet. I have not figured out where the sources are -<br>

nothing jumps out at me except the immunizations she received as <br>

well as her exposure to my amalgams in utero. To my knowledge there <br>

is no current source. I'm just shaking my head trying to figure out <br>

where she's getting all this nickle and thallium from and wondering <br>

why that's the first thing she's dumping. I KNOW she is mercury <br>

toxic. I am rereading Cutler's Amalgam Illness now and hopefully <br>

will understand the process better.<br>

Thanks, Wyndie<br>

<br>

<br>

> <p>And doesn't make sense. My dds hair test showed off <br>

the page amounts <br><br>

> of aluminum. She didn't meet the counting rules, but is <br>

suspicious. We <br><br>

> did the urine toxic metals (I divided the doses up so it ended up <br>

being <br><br>

> slightly higher than the usual chelation dose - but did the AC <br><br>

> protocol) and it showed her pulling huge amounts of thallium and <br>

<br><br>

> nickel. NO mercury or aluminum. How can this be. I know aluminum <br>

is <br><br>

> one of the last to show up, but how come there was no mercury? Can <br>

she <br><br>

> really not have mercury poisoning? <br><br>

> And what does it mean that her creatinine was low. Reference range <br>

was <br><br>

> 25-180 hers was 25.<br><br>

> Thank you for any insight<br><br>

> Wyndie <br><br>

> <br>

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> 3)*****Yes he had every recommended dose of the poisonous vaccines and

> has leaky gut now.

Farhin, have you ever tried digestive enzymes for your boy? We had great

success with

HNI enzymes. More at www.enzymestuff.com

in Illinois, chelating adult, and chelating 2 NT kids

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>>I'm just shaking my head trying to figure out

> where she's getting all this nickle and thallium from

Check for current sources of exposures here

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

Dana