What do you think about this?

[Guest guest]

My sons English teacher is very understanding when it comes to n

and his missing school because of depression. This teacher doesn't fit

into the clique of other teachers from this small town. She was

talking about how the headmistress has come to her and another male

teacher that 'don't fit in' and asked them not to give any 69's to the

jocks because they would fail and not be able to participate in

sports. She wanted to nominate n for English honors because he

has one of the three highest grades and she thinks he writes

beautifully and likes the fact that he thinks outside the box. The

head of the senior high said to her. Absolutely NOT, he doesn't even

come to school half the time and probably wouldn't go to honors night.

I am LIVID! One thing he needs is more self esteem and self confidence

since depression has sapped this. I don't know if or what I should do.

I don't want to get this teacher in trouble by betraying her

confidence but I feel this is SO unfair. SO WHAT if he doesn't show up

for the honors night, he would still receive the honor....Should I

just suffer in silence or what? I also know his homeroom teacher that

is NOT understanding is telling his classmates that he is probably

going to fail because he has missed so many days. Toni

[Guest guest]

Toni,

What grade is your son in? Could the teacher make up her own award to give

him? Any recognition may work in some means of being reinforcing to him and

helping his self-esteem.

tsbthatsme <kbtoni@...> wrote: My sons English teacher is very

understanding when it comes to n

and his missing school because of depression. This teacher doesn't fit

into the clique of other teachers from this small town. She was

talking about how the headmistress has come to her and another male

teacher that 'don't fit in' and asked them not to give any 69's to the

jocks because they would fail and not be able to participate in

sports. She wanted to nominate n for English honors because he

has one of the three highest grades and she thinks he writes

beautifully and likes the fact that he thinks outside the box. The

head of the senior high said to her. Absolutely NOT, he doesn't even

come to school half the time and probably wouldn't go to honors night.

I am LIVID! One thing he needs is more self esteem and self confidence

since depression has sapped this. I don't know if or what I should do.

I don't want to get this teacher in trouble by betraying her

confidence but I feel this is SO unfair. SO WHAT if he doesn't show up

for the honors night, he would still receive the honor....Should I

just suffer in silence or what? I also know his homeroom teacher that

is NOT understanding is telling his classmates that he is probably

going to fail because he has missed so many days. Toni

[Guest guest]

OMG I am not even the parent to your child and I had to take three deep

breaths before I could respond..

I would be so angry too.. But as the old saying goes.. Pee in the well!

Keep your good teachers communication open.. And circumvent the other

teacher... And maybe go to the school counselor and speak to them about your

sons self esteem issues.. And the need for some praise.. And that you are

dealing with depression in him.. And that.. This would be part of his

therapy " of sorts..

Surely there must be someone there who could understand that besides you and

n..

PS.. My daughter and I have suffered TERRIBLE depression.. She is not On

the spectrum and so does my son.. Who is..on the spectrum. Yoga type

meditation and lots of physical activity has helped... And my daughter is on

medication...and so am I... Celexa..

-- ( ) What do you think about this?

My sons English teacher is very understanding when it comes to n

and his missing school because of depression. This teacher doesn't fit

into the clique of other teachers from this small town. She was

talking about how the headmistress has come to her and another male

teacher that 'don't fit in' and asked them not to give any 69's to the

jocks because they would fail and not be able to participate in

sports. She wanted to nominate n for English honors because he

has one of the three highest grades and she thinks he writes

beautifully and likes the fact that he thinks outside the box. The

head of the senior high said to her. Absolutely NOT, he doesn't even

come to school half the time and probably wouldn't go to honors night.

I am LIVID! One thing he needs is more self esteem and self confidence

since depression has sapped this. I don't know if or what I should do.

I don't want to get this teacher in trouble by betraying her

confidence but I feel this is SO unfair. SO WHAT if he doesn't show up

for the honors night, he would still receive the honor....Should I

just suffer in silence or what? I also know his homeroom teacher that

is NOT understanding is telling his classmates that he is probably

going to fail because he has missed so many days. Toni

[Guest guest]

GREAT IDEA TONI!!!! I am keeping that in mind too for even at home!!!

-- Re: ( ) What do you think about this?

Toni,

What grade is your son in? Could the teacher make up her own award to

give him? Any recognition may work in some means of being reinforcing to

him and helping his self-esteem.

Tsbthatsme <kbtoni@...> wrote: My sons English teacher is very

understanding when it comes to n

and his missing school because of depression. This teacher doesn't fit

into the clique of other teachers from this small town. She was

talking about how the headmistress has come to her and another male

teacher that 'don't fit in' and asked them not to give any 69's to the

jocks because they would fail and not be able to participate in

sports. She wanted to nominate n for English honors because he

has one of the three highest grades and she thinks he writes

beautifully and likes the fact that he thinks outside the box. The

head of the senior high said to her. Absolutely NOT, he doesn't even

come to school half the time and probably wouldn't go to honors night.

I am LIVID! One thing he needs is more self esteem and self confidence

since depression has sapped this. I don't know if or what I should do.

I don't want to get this teacher in trouble by betraying her

confidence but I feel this is SO unfair. SO WHAT if he doesn't show up

for the honors night, he would still receive the honor....Should I

just suffer in silence or what? I also know his homeroom teacher that

is NOT understanding is telling his classmates that he is probably

going to fail because he has missed so many days. Toni

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

You wrote:

> ...The doctor told me he had caught this very early, but I

> too was surprised to be told that the readings were in the normal range

> after 6 weeks, and there was no need to go back for six months. I'm

> feeling great, so if that changes, I'll go to a endocrinologist. My

> doctor tried to minimize my concern by telling me how common this is as

> women get older. I just turned 65....

Just a suggestion. I wouldn't give up on your GP so quickly. If your

problem is exclusively the thyroid (most likely case), then your GP can

probably adjust the dosage according to the tests as well as anyone. I

would save the specialist for a more complicated or intractable problem,

such as a combination of glands or a pituitary issue.

Many on this list have reported that their GP was a better listener and

more flexible in the range of treatments than their endo. I have had

good competent care from both groups, but your MMV.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi, Barbara. First of all let me once again post what I have here many

times before: I'm no expert on anything; I have no credentials

whatsoever. I approach medical matters from the world view of alopathic

medicine and science. I'm not a scientist either, but I do have

sufficient lay knowledge to discuss thing like special and general

relativity and quantum mechanics with those who are well educated in

those fields. I'm just a patient like you; and I've benefited from the

experience of Chuck [who IS a scientist] and others who have shared.

More below...

..

..

> Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@...

>

<mailto:macbarb0503@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20What%20do%20you%20think%20about%2\

0this%3F>

> westieabbey <westieabbey>

>

>

> Sat Oct 9, 2010 5:13 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Sorry, I don't know where the test results are right now. I've been

> traveling all day and just got home. I don't think I was tested for

> Hashimoto's. After I went for annual check up, the doctor's office

> called and said they were calling in a prescription because I have

> hypothyroidism. The doctor told me he had caught this very early, but

> I too was surprised to be told that the readings were in the normal

> range after 6 weeks, and there was no need to go back for six months.

> I'm feeling great, so if that changes, I'll go to a endocrinologist.

> My doctor tried to minimize my concern by telling me how common this

> is as women get older. I just turned 65.

..

..

I was diagnosed at about the same age. You are entitled to your lab

results [a printed copy] and I would suggest you ask for them. They can

be very informative in evaluating changes.

..

..

>

> The fact that you feel uneasy that the stabalized dose was reached so

> quickly and at such a small dose, makes me feel uneasy too. I had been

> thinking that was a positive thing. I even told myself maybe the lab

> made a mistake, and I don't have hypothyroidism. Wishful thinking I'm

> sure. LOL!

..

..

It might not be wishful thinking; that's one reason I'd like to have the

experienced people here look at them. Labs _DO_ make mistakes, you know.

..

..

>

> What concerns you about it?

..

..

1] The dose is so low; and 2] You got relief so quickly. Usually it

takes a bit longer. OTOH I personally never had any symptoms at all.

Mine was caught early in the bloodwork from my annual physical and

confirmed a month or so later. I take 75 mcg/day of T4, which is itself

a fairly low dose.

..

..

> Is it that you think I might have Hashimoto's?

..

..

Well, of course any of us might have it if we have not been tested. And

if you did have Hashimoto's your tests could have been captured on the

curve of one of the well known swings that Hashimoto's causes. That's

IMHO one possible explanation for both the low dose and possibly the

quick improvement. But remember: I'm no expert, so others may correct

my impressions.

..

..

> I read that causes the immune system to attack the thyroid gland, and

> is the most common cause of hypothyroidism in the US. When I first

> heard the diagnosis of hypothyroisism, I asked the doctor if further

> testing would be required. He didn't seem to think it was necessary,

> because he felt sure the Levothyroxin would regulate it.

>

> I appreciate all comments and input. Thanks.

>

> Barbara

..

..

Hopefully he is correct; and you fit into the approximately 95% of hypo

patients who do well with standard treatment. I do wish we had all of

your lab results to see what they show. I personally am no good at all

in interpreting them but Chuck, Roni and some others here are.

Best,

..

..

>

> The standard practice for a long time was to start with a small dose and

> test every 6 weeks or so and adjust upward until the proper level was

> reached. That is called titration; and that is what your doctor has done.

>

> HOWEVER: 25 mcg/day is an extremely low dose; typically it would be

> several times that high for your final dosage. It is very unusual to

> get great results so soon and on such a low dosage. Results like yours

> would raise caution flags for me; but could be perfectly fine.

>

> If you have Hashimoto's then the output of your thyroid can vary widely;

> and thus your need for additional T4 can vary. Do you know if you were

> tested for Hashimoto's antibodies? You might post your lab results

> [include ranges].

>

> If you continue to feel well it probably won't hurt to go 6 months;

> often whatever changes occur once stabilized can be very slow. I'm now

> tested yearly. I do feel a little uneasy that your stabalized dose was

> reached so quickly and at such a low level.

>

> Luck,

>

>

> > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <mailto:macbarb0503%40aol.com>

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@...

>

<mailto:macbarb0503%40aol.com>?Subject=%20Re%3AWhat%20do%20you%20think%20about%2\

0this%3F>

> > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> >

> >

> > Fri Oct 8, 2010 7:44 am (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In the middle of August I was diagnosed with Hypothyroidism. The

> > doctor said he had caught it early. He prescribed 25MCG Levothyroxin

> > and said I would need to have my blood checked every six weeks. I had

> > it checked a few days ago, and it came back within the normal range.

> > Then I received a message from the doctor's office saying that since

> > it was normal, I should go back for blood work in six months. After

> > calling the office to see if it was a mistake, since I had been told

> > it would need to be checked every 6 weeks, I was told it was not a

> > mistake. Is this normal after the original diagnosis?

> >

> > Anyway, I'm feeling great for the first time in a long time!

> >

> > Thanks for you help.

> >

> > Barbara

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for all the comments. I don't even know which lab results to

look for to give you. I do know that I only had the standard yearly blood work,

which showed thyroid levels to be off. When I suggested other tests should be

taken to see if anything else would be found, my doctor insisted there wasn't

going to be anything else, that this is as very common thing, and he treats many

patients for this condition successfully

I'm not overly impressed by my doctor. He also doesn't believe in treating

Osteopenia until it becomes Osteoperosis, which doesn't make sense to me. He

claims all medications have side effects and shouldn't be taken until they are

necessary.

Barbara

Re: What do you think about this?

Hi, Barbara. First of all let me once again post what I have here many

times before: I'm no expert on anything; I have no credentials

whatsoever. I approach medical matters from the world view of alopathic

medicine and science. I'm not a scientist either, but I do have

sufficient lay knowledge to discuss thing like special and general

relativity and quantum mechanics with those who are well educated in

those fields. I'm just a patient like you; and I've benefited from the

experience of Chuck [who IS a scientist] and others who have shared.

More below...

..

..

> Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@...

>

<mailto:macbarb0503@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20What%20do%20you%20think%20about%2\

0this%3F>

> westieabbey <westieabbey>

>

>

> Sat Oct 9, 2010 5:13 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Sorry, I don't know where the test results are right now. I've been

> traveling all day and just got home. I don't think I was tested for

> Hashimoto's. After I went for annual check up, the doctor's office

> called and said they were calling in a prescription because I have

> hypothyroidism. The doctor told me he had caught this very early, but

> I too was surprised to be told that the readings were in the normal

> range after 6 weeks, and there was no need to go back for six months.

> I'm feeling great, so if that changes, I'll go to a endocrinologist.

> My doctor tried to minimize my concern by telling me how common this

> is as women get older. I just turned 65.

..

..

I was diagnosed at about the same age. You are entitled to your lab

results [a printed copy] and I would suggest you ask for them. They can

be very informative in evaluating changes.

..

..

>

> The fact that you feel uneasy that the stabalized dose was reached so

> quickly and at such a small dose, makes me feel uneasy too. I had been

> thinking that was a positive thing. I even told myself maybe the lab

> made a mistake, and I don't have hypothyroidism. Wishful thinking I'm

> sure. LOL!

..

..

It might not be wishful thinking; that's one reason I'd like to have the

experienced people here look at them. Labs _DO_ make mistakes, you know.

..

..

>

> What concerns you about it?

..

..

1] The dose is so low; and 2] You got relief so quickly. Usually it

takes a bit longer. OTOH I personally never had any symptoms at all.

Mine was caught early in the bloodwork from my annual physical and

confirmed a month or so later. I take 75 mcg/day of T4, which is itself

a fairly low dose.

..

..

> Is it that you think I might have Hashimoto's?

..

..

Well, of course any of us might have it if we have not been tested. And

if you did have Hashimoto's your tests could have been captured on the

curve of one of the well known swings that Hashimoto's causes. That's

IMHO one possible explanation for both the low dose and possibly the

quick improvement. But remember: I'm no expert, so others may correct

my impressions.

..

..

> I read that causes the immune system to attack the thyroid gland, and

> is the most common cause of hypothyroidism in the US. When I first

> heard the diagnosis of hypothyroisism, I asked the doctor if further

> testing would be required. He didn't seem to think it was necessary,

> because he felt sure the Levothyroxin would regulate it.

>

> I appreciate all comments and input. Thanks.

>

> Barbara

..

..

Hopefully he is correct; and you fit into the approximately 95% of hypo

patients who do well with standard treatment. I do wish we had all of

your lab results to see what they show. I personally am no good at all

in interpreting them but Chuck, Roni and some others here are.

Best,

..

..

>

> The standard practice for a long time was to start with a small dose and

> test every 6 weeks or so and adjust upward until the proper level was

> reached. That is called titration; and that is what your doctor has done.

>

> HOWEVER: 25 mcg/day is an extremely low dose; typically it would be

> several times that high for your final dosage. It is very unusual to

> get great results so soon and on such a low dosage. Results like yours

> would raise caution flags for me; but could be perfectly fine.

>

> If you have Hashimoto's then the output of your thyroid can vary widely;

> and thus your need for additional T4 can vary. Do you know if you were

> tested for Hashimoto's antibodies? You might post your lab results

> [include ranges].

>

> If you continue to feel well it probably won't hurt to go 6 months;

> often whatever changes occur once stabilized can be very slow. I'm now

> tested yearly. I do feel a little uneasy that your stabalized dose was

> reached so quickly and at such a low level.

>

> Luck,

>

>

> > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <mailto:macbarb0503%40aol.com>;

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@...

>

<mailto:macbarb0503%40aol.com>?Subject=%20Re%3AWhat%20do%20you%20think%20about%2\

0this%3F>;

> > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> >

> >

> > Fri Oct 8, 2010 7:44 am (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In the middle of August I was diagnosed with Hypothyroidism. The

> > doctor said he had caught it early. He prescribed 25MCG Levothyroxin

> > and said I would need to have my blood checked every six weeks. I had

> > it checked a few days ago, and it came back within the normal range.

> > Then I received a message from the doctor's office saying that since

> > it was normal, I should go back for blood work in six months. After

> > calling the office to see if it was a mistake, since I had been told

> > it would need to be checked every 6 weeks, I was told it was not a

> > mistake. Is this normal after the original diagnosis?

> >

> > Anyway, I'm feeling great for the first time in a long time!

> >

> > Thanks for you help.

> >

> > Barbara

[Guest guest]

I tend to agree with your doctor about not taking medication till it's really

needed. That point of course is up to contention. In the meantime there are

things you can do for yourself with no medication.

 

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jan2009_Vitamin-K-Protection-Against-Arteria\

l-Calcification-Bone-Loss-Cancer-Aging_01.htm

The vitamin K they talk about in this particular article is Vitamin K2 which is

different from Vitamin K1.

 

http://www.yeled.org/ArticleFiles/vitamin%20information1.pdf

The vitamin K they talk about in this particular article is Vitamin K1, which

comes from plants. Keep in mind that with hypothyroidism, it is NOT GOOD to eat

soy, UNLESS it

is fermented.

 

http://www.osteopenia3.com/bone-density-exercises.html

 

These should keep you busy reading for a while. See, there is plenty you can do

without drugs.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: H <macbarb0503@...>

Subject: Re: Re: What do you think about this?

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 10:50 AM

Thanks so much for all the comments.  I don't even know which lab results to

look for to give you.  I do know that I only had the standard yearly blood work,

which showed thyroid levels to be off.  When I suggested other tests should be

taken to see if anything else would be found, my doctor insisted there wasn't

going to be anything else, that this is as very common thing, and he treats many

patients for this condition successfully

I'm not overly impressed by my doctor.  He also doesn't believe in treating

Osteopenia until it becomes Osteoperosis, which doesn't make sense to me.  He

claims all medications have side effects and shouldn't be taken until they are

necessary.

Barbara

Re: What do you think about this?

Hi, Barbara. First of all let me once again post what I have here many

times before: I'm no expert on anything; I have no credentials

whatsoever. I approach medical matters from the world view of alopathic

medicine and science. I'm not a scientist either, but I do have

sufficient lay knowledge to discuss thing like special and general

relativity and quantum mechanics with those who are well educated in

those fields. I'm just a patient like you; and I've benefited from the

experience of Chuck [who IS a scientist] and others who have shared.

More below...

..

..

> Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@...

>

<mailto:macbarb0503@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20What%20do%20you%20think%20about%2\

0this%3F>

> westieabbey <westieabbey>

>

>

> Sat Oct 9, 2010 5:13 pm (PDT)

>

>

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Sorry, I don't know where the test results are right now. I've been

> traveling all day and just got home. I don't think I was tested for

> Hashimoto's. After I went for annual check up, the doctor's office

> called and said they were calling in a prescription because I have

> hypothyroidism. The doctor told me he had caught this very early, but

> I too was surprised to be told that the readings were in the normal

> range after 6 weeks, and there was no need to go back for six months.

> I'm feeling great, so if that changes, I'll go to a endocrinologist.

> My doctor tried to minimize my concern by telling me how common this

> is as women get older. I just turned 65.

..

..

I was diagnosed at about the same age. You are entitled to your lab

results [a printed copy] and I would suggest you ask for them. They can

be very informative in evaluating changes.

..

..

>

> The fact that you feel uneasy that the stabalized dose was reached so

> quickly and at such a small dose, makes me feel uneasy too. I had been

> thinking that was a positive thing. I even told myself maybe the lab

> made a mistake, and I don't have hypothyroidism. Wishful thinking I'm

> sure. LOL!

..

..

It might not be wishful thinking; that's one reason I'd like to have the

experienced people here look at them. Labs _DO_ make mistakes, you know.

..

..

>

> What concerns you about it?

..

..

1] The dose is so low; and 2] You got relief so quickly. Usually it

takes a bit longer. OTOH I personally never had any symptoms at all.

Mine was caught early in the bloodwork from my annual physical and

confirmed a month or so later. I take 75 mcg/day of T4, which is itself

a fairly low dose.

..

..

> Is it that you think I might have Hashimoto's?

..

..

Well, of course any of us might have it if we have not been tested. And

if you did have Hashimoto's your tests could have been captured on the

curve of one of the well known swings that Hashimoto's causes. That's

IMHO one possible explanation for both the low dose and possibly the

quick improvement. But remember: I'm no expert, so others may correct

my impressions.

..

..

> I read that causes the immune system to attack the thyroid gland, and

> is the most common cause of hypothyroidism in the US. When I first

> heard the diagnosis of hypothyroisism, I asked the doctor if further

> testing would be required. He didn't seem to think it was necessary,

> because he felt sure the Levothyroxin would regulate it.

>

> I appreciate all comments and input. Thanks.

>

> Barbara

..

..

Hopefully he is correct; and you fit into the approximately 95% of hypo

patients who do well with standard treatment. I do wish we had all of

your lab results to see what they show. I personally am no good at all

in interpreting them but Chuck, Roni and some others here are.

Best,

..

..

>

> The standard practice for a long time was to start with a small dose and

> test every 6 weeks or so and adjust upward until the proper level was

> reached. That is called titration; and that is what your doctor has done.

>

> HOWEVER: 25 mcg/day is an extremely low dose; typically it would be

> several times that high for your final dosage. It is very unusual to

> get great results so soon and on such a low dosage. Results like yours

> would raise caution flags for me; but could be perfectly fine.

>

> If you have Hashimoto's then the output of your thyroid can vary widely;

> and thus your need for additional T4 can vary. Do you know if you were

> tested for Hashimoto's antibodies? You might post your lab results

> [include ranges].

>

> If you continue to feel well it probably won't hurt to go 6 months;

> often whatever changes occur once stabilized can be very slow. I'm now

> tested yearly. I do feel a little uneasy that your stabalized dose was

> reached so quickly and at such a low level.

>

> Luck,

>

>

> > Posted by: " H " macbarb0503@... <mailto:macbarb0503%40aol.com>;

> > <mailto:macbarb0503@...

>

<mailto:macbarb0503%40aol.com>?Subject=%20Re%3AWhat%20do%20you%20think%20about%2\

0this%3F>;

> > westieabbey <westieabbey>

> >

> >

> > Fri Oct 8, 2010 7:44 am (PDT)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In the middle of August I was diagnosed with Hypothyroidism. The

> > doctor said he had caught it early. He prescribed 25MCG Levothyroxin

> > and said I would need to have my blood checked every six weeks. I had

> > it checked a few days ago, and it came back within the normal range.

> > Then I received a message from the doctor's office saying that since

> > it was normal, I should go back for blood work in six months. After

> > calling the office to see if it was a mistake, since I had been told

> > it would need to be checked every 6 weeks, I was told it was not a

> > mistake. Is this normal after the original diagnosis?

> >

> > Anyway, I'm feeling great for the first time in a long time!

> >

> > Thanks for you help.

> >

> > Barbara