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Hi Ramona,

I take it dad is in " fit shape " as to doesn't need to lose weight

himself? I think others who have never had to worry about

weight/extra fat just cannot understand the situation for those

people who do. (sort of like those who don't get OCD!)

Assuming he is one you can get to sit down and talk to, I would

suggest that you have a talk with him about being supportive rather

than critical. Plus will help the relationship itself. And an

occasional " off diet " food will not ruin the whole diet itself. I

imagine he doesn't " get it " that the medication helped put the weight

on?

Other than that, talking to your dd about how " some people " just do

not understand or are " just that way " or " that type person " and

teaching her to ignore it as he would be that way towards anyone,

etc., etc., not to take it personally (hard to do, I know, I had/have

a critical mom myself)....

There is a " medication induced weight gain " article in our FILES

section here, perhaps something in that (if he'd read it) might help.

Wish I had " the " solution for you! I just learned to ignore my mom,

didn't stop bad feelings though, I'm still sensitive to criticism at

my age today! :) I have taught my kids to ignore her, though it

still " gets " to them a bit, they've realized this is " just how she

is. "

> I am feeling so bad for my dd right now. She has had so much weight

> gain from the Zoloft she was on. She is on Lexapro now & really

> trying to lose the weight. She has been a lot more active & eating

a

> very healthy diet. I am so proud of her because in the past she has

> tried fad diets which never work. Today I fixed a peach cobbler.

She

Guest guest
Posted

Hi, Ramona. I felt so sad when you described what happened between your

daughter and your husband. He is bullying her and that will never be good. Are

you able to call it that to him and point out that he is doing it? Is he the

kind of person you can put your foot down with? I would explain to him that it

is not okay and that you and your daughter won't be treated like that. My

oldest daughter and I recently joined Weight Watchers together and have gotten

lots of support from the family. Since I'm in charge of meals, we are all

eating better. It isn't always easy but Hannah's done very well so far. Keep

praising your daughter and telling her how special she is. Good luck! Kelley

in

NV

Guest guest
Posted

Hi Ramona:

Please do not feel you need to apologize for whining. This list is for

mutual support and you have every reason to be upset about the situation

you describe.

Does you husband understand that SSRIs work to slow the metabolism as

well as amplify carbo cravings? This double whammy makes it extra hard

for our kids, who are often on high dosages of their meds, to control

their weight.

Does he understand that people are actually less likely to be able to

fight the weight battle when they are being ridiculed, particularly if

they are teens, and so this approach is unlikely to get the outcome he

is seeking?

You must be very proud of the struggle your daughter has been waging and

her ability to switch to sensible dieting/weight control. She is very

lucky to have a supportive mom like you.

Our son Steve has had a lot of weight battles, he is a graduate of

Weight Watchers (we went together and lost our SSRI weight together) and

tries very hard to control his intake. I wish he was more active and

did less computer games, but this struggle is his. What I can do is try

to keep the fridge stocked with vegetables, fruits and low carb/low fat

snacks. It has been hard at times to see our slender guy morph into an

overweight person who was ridiculed by classmates.

Is your family working with a psychiatrist or psychologist who could

discuss this situation with your husband and encourage him to focus on

the most effective way he can support your daughter with this challenge?

Sometimes it is easier on a marriage if the spouses do not have to enter

into conflict about these issues all the time without assistance.

My dh and I have often had differing views on how to cope with OCD and

its effect on our family. Sometimes I have been the one who was too

impatient and did not allow my dh time to grieve what has happened. I

expected more from him than he could do at the time so I had to learn

patience. Other times I was the one who was not up to the situation, it

is just very hard to live with OCD and always respond appropriately with

wisdom and good judgment.

Good luck, please keep us posted on how your daughter is doing, take

care, aloha, Kathy (h)

kathy.hi@...

need to vent!

I am feeling so bad for my dd right now. She has had so much weight

gain from the Zoloft she was on. She is on Lexapro now & really

trying to lose the weight. She has been a lot more active & eating a

very healthy diet. I am so proud of her because in the past she has

tried fad diets which never work. Today I fixed a peach cobbler. She

and her boyfriend each had some for dessert this evening. My totally

insensitive husband made the comment that if she eats like that she

can't complain about her big fat belly hainging over her jeans

because it is her own fault. Naturally she ended up in a total

meltdown, mad at me because I let him talk to her like that. I guess

he said something to her yesterday about being fat too. I could just

strangle him sometimes! Does anyone else have to deal with someone

who is so insulting? She totally hates him. Then he gets mad at her

for crying and leaves the house. Her boyfriend & I finally convinced

her to go to the movies. So she is gone right now. I am hoping it

will take her mind off it. I know how bad she is hurt because he

says the same things to me. Well got to get off here. He is back. I

would appreciate any ideas on how to handle this situation.

Sorry to whine so much.

Ramona

Guest guest
Posted

Hi Ramona,

I am a bit late jumping in but wanted to give my 2 cents worth.. We can

not control what words others decide to use or how one will feel by our

remarks but it is important that your daughter understands that her dad may

be as frustrated and confused and his words are caused by the stress of

misunderstanding. Another point, beauty comes from within, and if you could

comfort your daughter and help her with feeling good about who she is inside

and the power of internal beauty it may help her cope with negative comments

from anyone not just her dad. It is very sad when the words of others can

hurt so deeply.

I also feel for you, it is so, so difficult being in the middle of the child

and your husband. It may help you if you define some rules for the entire

family to follow such as no negative remarks that could be hurtful. This

way you are not taking sides or letting the situation continue. We tell our

young children if you can not say something nice do not say it at

all........adults sometimes need to be reminded of this lesson. I hope you

can find some resolution with all the suggestions and we will be thinking of

you along the way.

Take care,

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of mona_t60

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 9:58 PM

Subject: need to vent!

I am feeling so bad for my dd right now. She has had so much weight

gain from the Zoloft she was on. She is on Lexapro now & really

trying to lose the weight. She has been a lot more active & eating a

very healthy diet. I am so proud of her because in the past she has

tried fad diets which never work. Today I fixed a peach cobbler. She

and her boyfriend each had some for dessert this evening. My totally

insensitive husband made the comment that if she eats like that she

can't complain about her big fat belly hainging over her jeans

because it is her own fault. Naturally she ended up in a total

meltdown, mad at me because I let him talk to her like that. I guess

he said something to her yesterday about being fat too. I could just

strangle him sometimes! Does anyone else have to deal with someone

who is so insulting? She totally hates him. Then he gets mad at her

for crying and leaves the house. Her boyfriend & I finally convinced

her to go to the movies. So she is gone right now. I am hoping it

will take her mind off it. I know how bad she is hurt because he

says the same things to me. Well got to get off here. He is back. I

would appreciate any ideas on how to handle this situation.

Sorry to whine so much.

Ramona

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Guest guest
Posted

Someone took a hard look at successful women - the single common

factor they found was the acceptance/unconditional love of their

father during the girls' adolescence - no gradual rejection as the

girls matured, consistent supportive attitude.

Sometimes my husband needs to hear something from me spoken really

clearly - and then once he understands what I'm getting at, he's

terrific.

If your husband knew his daughter's future depended on this . . .

would he then change it?

> Hi Ramona,

>

> I am a bit late jumping in but wanted to give my 2 cents worth..

We can

> not control what words others decide to use or how one will feel by

our

> remarks but it is important that your daughter understands that her

dad may

> be as frustrated and confused and his words are caused by the

stress of

> misunderstanding. Another point, beauty comes from within, and if

you could

> comfort your daughter and help her with feeling good about who she

is inside

> and the power of internal beauty it may help her cope with negative

comments

> from anyone not just her dad. It is very sad when the words of

others can

> hurt so deeply.

>

> I also feel for you, it is so, so difficult being in the middle of

the child

> and your husband. It may help you if you define some rules for the

entire

> family to follow such as no negative remarks that could be

hurtful. This

> way you are not taking sides or letting the situation continue. We

tell our

> young children if you can not say something nice do not say it at

> all........adults sometimes need to be reminded of this lesson. I

hope you

> can find some resolution with all the suggestions and we will be

thinking of

> you along the way.

>

> Take care,

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of mona_t60

> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 9:58 PM

>

> Subject: need to vent!

>

>

> I am feeling so bad for my dd right now. She has had so much weight

> gain from the Zoloft she was on. She is on Lexapro now & really

> trying to lose the weight. She has been a lot more active & eating

a

> very healthy diet. I am so proud of her because in the past she has

> tried fad diets which never work. Today I fixed a peach cobbler.

She

> and her boyfriend each had some for dessert this evening. My

totally

> insensitive husband made the comment that if she eats like that she

> can't complain about her big fat belly hainging over her jeans

> because it is her own fault. Naturally she ended up in a total

> meltdown, mad at me because I let him talk to her like that. I

guess

> he said something to her yesterday about being fat too. I could

just

> strangle him sometimes! Does anyone else have to deal with someone

> who is so insulting? She totally hates him. Then he gets mad at her

> for crying and leaves the house. Her boyfriend & I finally

convinced

> her to go to the movies. So she is gone right now. I am hoping it

> will take her mind off it. I know how bad she is hurt because he

> says the same things to me. Well got to get off here. He is back. I

> would appreciate any ideas on how to handle this situation.

> Sorry to whine so much.

> Ramona

>

>

>

>

> Our list archives, bookmarks, files, and chat feature may be

accessed at:

> / .

> Our list advisors are Gail B. , Ed.D., Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.(

> http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto

Wagner, Ph.D.,

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> Birkhan, Castle, Fowler, Kathy Hammes, Joye, Kathy

> Mac, Gail Pesses, and Kathy . Subscription issues or

> suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at

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>

>

>

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>

>

  • 9 months later...
Guest guest
Posted

Hi,

I just need to vent about an incident that happened Friday. No one

else really " understands " these things and I need to blow off some

steam. My son has Aspergers and is in 6th grade. Friday I got a

call from school saying that he hit a kid in PE and said he wanted

to kill him and was brought to the office and has been suspended

from PE the counselor who called had very little additional

information. I love getting calls from school at work – I have

caller ID and just cringe when I see the call come in. Of course I

was caught off guard and didn't really know what to say so I hung

up, thought about it and called back. My son has an IEP that calls

for help in PE during competitive situations. In elementary school

they had a para who shadowed him in PE. When he got to middle

school they didn't want to do that so they have a para for the whole

PE class and call it good. So when I called back I asked about my

son's IEP and if there was a para " helping " him with this incident?

I was told it happened in the locker room and she could not go in

there.

So, here is the story from my son.

They were playing a game in PE. He was getting very frustrated and

mad because they were losing. Someone stole the ball from him which

made him madder. They lost the game. He was upset and went over to

a random kid on the other team and hit him in the arm a couple times

(when he does this it is not hard, more of an action) and said he

wanted to kill him. Then the teacher came over and … get this – I

still can't believe it…. told him to do 25 pushups. My son was in a

meltdown and refused the teacher was mad and took him to the

office.

So my concerns are 1) Where was the para and who was noticing that

my son was getting mad during the game? He is very vocal when he is

mad and there is not mistaking it. 2) Maybe one of the most

inappropriate things ever done during one of my son's meltdowns

would be to tell him to do 25 pushups in front of the whole class –

I just can't believe it. 3) My son has a behavior plan which calls

for him to be sent to a quiet place (like the office) to de-escalate

this was not met until after repeatively ordering him to do pushups.

4) He is suspended from PE for the quarter and I feel like the para

and the teacher need to be suspended for not doing their jobs.

I wrote a very lengthy e-mail to the school stating all my concerns

in a nice manner (I took out the part where I called the PE teacher

an arrogant fool) and am awaiting the reply. They will try and

smooth things out and nothing will change – they may even decide he

can't handle PE and suggest an alternate.

**just got the e-mail** The PE teacher thought my son was

disrespectful (for not doing pushups during a meltdown) and that is

why he is expelled. I guess it is okay to hit a student and make a

death threat, but to fail to please the macho PE teacher is worth

suspension – I'm in total disbelief. They are making my son prepare

written apologies to the teacher (not the other student). I think

the teacher needs to apologize to my son!

Thanks for listening

Guest guest
Posted

, good points - I 100% agree with *most* of your thoughts -

humiliation should never factor into any kind of social youth

punishment - the justifacation for criminal punishment for adults

has no berring on childhood growth and education.

You asked about a school for AS kids only.

How would you justify this to your child when he's grown up and HAS

to live in the real world? On his own? If he doesn't grow up " in

the real world " how is he going to accustom himslef to real world

situations? You are his mother and you love him and want to do

what's best for him, but isn't that to help him learn to live in

modern society with his faults to the best of his ability?

I get agrivated at many suggestions made to me for my son that

curtail protecting him from " the world " because I can't be there for

him all his life, I am here as his mother for the first 18 years or

so to help him learn to be a productive adult and thrive in the

modern world, isn't that why God gave us parents?

I think about these things and rationalize thoughts - some are wrong

[and I can accept that] I want to give all of my kids [special needs

or not] the right tools, mentally, associativly and socially to

survive in this rough world.

Tammy - Alaska

Guest guest
Posted

Is there anyone that is happy with there IEP?

*I have been happy with IEP's in the past (not currently), the trick

is getting the school staff to FOLLOW the IEP's!

Are there any schools for Asperger children only?

*I don't know of any entire school for AS only, however, there are

schools that have programs specific for ASD's, although few and far

between. I would google your school district, and even the

surrounding districts and look at their web sites for info on

programs. I have found one near my home but it is in a different

district and I am currently advocating for my son to go there, his

current placement is in an EBD environment, totally WRONG placement,

as ASD's are not behavioral or emotional and need to be treated in a

totally different manner. My first suggestion to you is NOT to allow

an EBD placement, it can be harmful, and very difficult to get your

child out of it once he's in.

*As far as that PE teacher goes, from the original post on this

thread........Just another one of those people that make ya

go.............../shrug!

It still amazes me that schools hire these inept morons!

My daughter has PTSD, she has an IEP that states she is to be

provided alternate assignments when she needs it, provided a " quiet

place " she can go and get herself regulated, and no one is to touch

her unless she is harming someone else or herself.

A few months ago a teacher gave her an assignment that she was not

comfortable with (writing about her most embarrassing moment), she is

the ONLY girl in the class, instead of giving her an alternate

assignment as stated in her IEP, the teacher insisted she write this

paper, my daughter became very upset, tried to leave the class to go

to her " quiet place " , when the teacher came up behind her and put her

in a bearhug, my daughter grabbed the teachers arm, pried it off of

her, turned around and kicked her in the shin.

My daughters TRIAL for ASSAULT is next month! Had her IEP been

followed this would never have happened!

IEP's are there for reasons, and if teachers can't take the time to

read them and follow them, they have no business in the classrooms

teaching our children.

I have thought about filing charges against the teacher, although I

don't know what they would be. At least the public defender thinks we

will win this case, she was thrilled to find out that I wanted to

fight these charges, as she has been waiting for a case like this to

go to trial. She says that soooooo many cases that cross her desk

could be avoided if teachers would just follow IEP's!

Sorry for the long post, but once I get started.........

Theresa

Freezing in MN

Guest guest
Posted

I would ask the PE teacher is he/she has any knowledge of your son's

disorder (Asperger's Syndrome). Perhaps you want to have training for ANYONE

working with your son written into the IEP. Request Adaptive PE for your son.

Pam :)

_Adapted Physical Education-FAQ_ (http://ericec.org/faq/adapt-pe.html)

Guest guest
Posted

In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:35:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,

TrckyNicke@... writes:

And why can't I find a school for Asperger children only? Does

anyone know of any? Anywhere?

, I'm not sure where you are located but there are schools

specifically for children on the Autism Spectrum. These are usually children

who are

unable to function in a regular school setting. My state has several

classrooms in public schools that are designed based on the TEACCH model for

children

on the autism spectrum. Also, your comment on IEP/504...just remember that

if your child has a 504 that there is no mandate to have that plan followed,

unlike federal law with an IEP. Lastly, if your child has behavioral issues a

child with a 504 would be disciplined same as a regular student. A child

with an IEP is protected under federal law and guidelines. Pam :)

Guest guest
Posted

In a message dated 3/7/2006 4:00:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

scrappersue@... writes:

When he got to middle

school they didn't want to do that so they have a para for the whole

PE class and call it good. So when I called back I asked about my

son's IEP and if there was a para " helping " him with this incident?

I was told it happened in the locker room and she could not go in

there.

How ridiculous! lol. That is where all the " action " takes place! If no

adults were there, how do we really know what happened? And have they ever

thought about a MALE para?? hmmmmmmm....

<<So my concerns are 1) Where was the para and who was noticing that

my son was getting mad during the game? He is very vocal when he is

mad and there is not mistaking it. 2) Maybe one of the most

inappropriate things ever done during one of my son's meltdowns

would be to tell him to do 25 pushups in front of the whole class –

I just can't believe it. 3) My son has a behavior plan which calls

for him to be sent to a quiet place (like the office) to de-escalate

this was not met until after repeatively ordering him to do pushups.

4) He is suspended from PE for the quarter and I feel like the para

and the teacher need to be suspended for not doing their jobs.

>>

I would be asking if the PE teacher has even read your son's BP? I bet not!

<<They are making my son prepare

written apologies to the teacher (not the other student). I think

the teacher needs to apologize to my son!

>>

I wouldn't let him do it! What would this accomplish? I would instead

argue that this PE teacher did not follow his well written BP. I would hope

his

IEP trumps over PE teacher's ego.

Roxanna ô¿ö

Autism Happens

Guest guest
Posted

On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:24 PM, disorderlybehavior wrote:

>

> A few months ago a teacher gave her an assignment that she was not

> comfortable with (writing about her most embarrassing moment),

I would argue that even an NT child in a public school should not

have that assignment at all!

In college, when you have your choice of classes, maybe....

Jackie

>

>

Guest guest
Posted

Public schools have some really wacky assignments anymore. My then 10th

grader was asked to talk to us about our <ahem> sex life,

pre-marital-wise, and her thoughts on dating, sex, etc. We took the form

from her, wrote " n/a " on just about every question, other than our name,

and 'this is none of your business.' Not sure yet what the theory behind

it was, but apparently something like 23 out of the 30 in the class had

their papers turned in in similar fashion, which I'm sure sent a message

to that teacher.

Jackie Geipel wrote:

> On Mar 7, 2006, at 9:24 PM, disorderlybehavior wrote:

>

>> A few months ago a teacher gave her an assignment that she was not

>> comfortable with (writing about her most embarrassing moment),

>>

>

> I would argue that even an NT child in a public school should not

> have that assignment at all!

> In college, when you have your choice of classes, maybe....

>

> Jackie

>

>

  • 2 weeks later...
Guest guest
Posted

In a message dated 3/8/2006 3:30:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Donna@... writes:

Public schools have some really wacky assignments anymore. My then 10th

grader was asked to talk to us about our <ahem> sex life,

pre-marital-wise, and her thoughts on dating, sex, etc. We took the form

from her, wrote " n/a " on just about every question, other than our name,

and 'this is none of your business.' Not sure yet what the theory behind

it was, but apparently something like 23 out of the 30 in the class had

their papers turned in in similar fashion, which I'm sure sent a message

to that teacher.

Wow! That tops ours - our ds brought home a paper where we were supposed to

write down our family health history. THe idea was for the kids to make a

health history tree of their family tree but I told them we weren't going to

list our family's health history for a school assignment! That's personal!

Roxanna ô¿ô

Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.

Guest guest
Posted

Oh wow, really! I wouldn't have done that either! The schools are going

way overboard anymore.

kneeleee@... wrote:

>

> Wow! That tops ours - our ds brought home a paper where we were supposed to

> write down our family health history. THe idea was for the kids to make a

> health history tree of their family tree but I told them we weren't going to

> list our family's health history for a school assignment! That's personal!

>

>

> Roxanna ô¿ô

>

  • 5 months later...
Posted

Wow what a negative experience.

Now that the headache problem is over sounds like you won't need to

see this person again and you can write them off.

I'd at least someone different in the future.

Also allot of people don't know very little about OCD.

This Neurologist is abviously not knowabale if she thinks that hand

sanitaizer is gonna help and not feed and grow the problem.

Some people!

>

> Hi all - saw neurologist today for a follow-up visit that was not

> needed as dd's headaches went away but pediatrician wanted her

opinion

> on all this so I went - well after a 2 hour wait (all 3 times were

that

> long ) I get in there to be attacked sort of but in a nice way - I

> can't explain it but basically I'm a mom gathering info to help my

kid

> - and she can take her " facts " and stuff em! she said almost all

OCD is

> PANDAS OCD among some other comments that I know aren't true and

then

> she says it's all " hear say " - she'd need to see what I've read on

this

> site here - she claims she doesn't mind me disagreeing but in a

> sensible way - that my info is all over basically - well she's

right it

> is -because I'm doing my best and I am gathering and I am going to

> question everything and everybody - it's my dd's LIFE we're

talking

> about! what does she know about living daily life with OCD -she

had the

> nerve to say give her hand sanitizer to carry around! yes that

will fix

> it all! AAAUUGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

> sorry

> Eileen

>

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