RE: violence and rages

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/30/2006 1:30:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

easterseals@... writes:

Also, my three children were all

vaccinated but after my sons diagnosis my daughter was given only one

vaccination per my request per month by her ped. She is fine. Go figure?

Ann

A lot of kids who were vaccinated are fine. Not hard to see that. I agree

with the previous email - there is yet to be a proven connection. If/when

there is, then we can share information about how many shots we got while

pregnant. But a lot of us had no shots when pregnant. I have friends who have

gotten no vaccinations for their kids who are already autistic. They are

afraid to. I was even scared when my 3rd ds was not talking and he has some

milder sensory problems as well as social delays. So I delayed his shots. And

then I realized I should just get them and we did. A month afterwards, he

started talking. Go figure?

Roxanna ô¿ö

Autism Happens

[Guest guest]

I have to disagree with you here. There are children my son is friends with who

are also Aspies...and they are " non-vaccinated " . I think vaccinations are just

a convenient thing for people to blame. I have yet to see any scientific proof

that vaccinations cause AS (or anything else for that matter).

( ) violence and rages

In my opinion, most of our kids on the spectrum are victims of heavy metal

toxicity from vaccinations.

Where in the brain the toxins deposit themselves determines the disability of

the child. So, I would say your son has deposits of mercury in that area of the

brain causing raging. We have some of this with our child.

Unfortunately, we have had to rely on psychotropics to help us and he is on

Zoloft and Abilify. It works well, but our son still struggles with numerous

things (and I have learned how not to upset him). We are beginning chelation as

I don't think there is really any other solution but to get those toxins out. .

.. anything else is just a bandaid.

I highly recommend the gf/cf diet. Most of these kids have yeast issues as

well. You might benefit from the gf/cf list as well as the chelating2kids list

if you want to head in that direction. Until you get some real help, I suggest

a psychiatrist to help with behavior control issues. Our children are sick.

[Guest guest]

I conducted a study for my Psychology class for college and did it on

Vaccinations. Here were my findings; Vaccinations that were given in 1990

until 1999 were over the limit the FDA found to be safe levels of mercury.

Also, the flu vaccination has 25mcg of mercury in each injection even today.

The average of mercury level approved safe is under 20mcg per year.

Antibiotics, pitocin, and Rhogram all have thermerisol as the preservative

which is also known as Mercury. My son has AS and when I was pregnant I

received Rhogam, pitocin, Antibiotics IV for 8 days after emergency surgery

and my son received all his vaccinations in 1998. These factors I do believe

contributed to my son having Autism. I have 16 nieces and nephews in my

immediate family and none has AS except my son. My other two children are

fine. I do believe that our children are genically pre-disposed and Mercury

can harm them and bring out their AS. I am not against vaccinations but if

Mercury wasn't harmful why then did many Senators agree to it's removal from

all childhood vaccinations in 2001? Also, my three children were all

vaccinated but after my sons diagnosis my daughter was given only one

vaccination per my request per month by her ped. She is fine. Go figure?

Ann

Re: ( ) violence and rages

I have to disagree with you here. There are children my son is friends with

who are also Aspies...and they are " non-vaccinated " . I think vaccinations

are just a convenient thing for people to blame. I have yet to see any

scientific proof that vaccinations cause AS (or anything else for that

matter).

( ) violence and rages

In my opinion, most of our kids on the spectrum are victims of heavy metal

toxicity from vaccinations.

Where in the brain the toxins deposit themselves determines the disability

of the child. So, I would say your son has deposits of mercury in that area

of the brain causing raging. We have some of this with our child.

Unfortunately, we have had to rely on psychotropics to help us and he is

on Zoloft and Abilify. It works well, but our son still struggles with

numerous things (and I have learned how not to upset him). We are beginning

chelation as I don't think there is really any other solution but to get

those toxins out. . . anything else is just a bandaid.

I highly recommend the gf/cf diet. Most of these kids have yeast issues

as well. You might benefit from the gf/cf list as well as the

chelating2kids list if you want to head in that direction. Until you get

some real help, I suggest a psychiatrist to help with behavior control

issues. Our children are sick.

[Guest guest]

This is a letter written by F Kennedy Jr. It's a long read, but full of

proof and information reguarding the poisoning of our children, and the

political efforts to hide and contort the truth.

http://stevens_mom.tripod.com/id12.html

Theresa

<freecyclemail@...> wrote:

I have to disagree with you here. There are children my son is friends with

who are also Aspies...and they are " non-vaccinated " . I think vaccinations are

just a convenient thing for people to blame. I have yet to see any scientific

proof that vaccinations cause AS (or anything else for that matter).

( ) violence and rages

In my opinion, most of our kids on the spectrum are victims of heavy metal

toxicity from vaccinations.

Where in the brain the toxins deposit themselves determines the disability of

the child. So, I would say your son has deposits of mercury in that area of the

brain causing raging. We have some of this with our child.

Unfortunately, we have had to rely on psychotropics to help us and he is on

Zoloft and Abilify. It works well, but our son still struggles with numerous

things (and I have learned how not to upset him). We are beginning chelation as

I don't think there is really any other solution but to get those toxins out. .

.. anything else is just a bandaid.

I highly recommend the gf/cf diet. Most of these kids have yeast issues as

well. You might benefit from the gf/cf list as well as the chelating2kids list

if you want to head in that direction. Until you get some real help, I suggest

a psychiatrist to help with behavior control issues. Our children are sick.

[Guest guest]

Lots of great info, but I'm still not 100% convinced that vaccinations are the

cause of all this evil. We know kids that have AS that got vaccines, and kids

that have AS that didn't get vaccines. I'm sure mercury poisoning (if that's

the case) doesn't help anything, and possible speeds up the process for kids

already pre-disposed to getting AS. Hopefully one day there will be a definite,

scientific, non-political answer on this.

( ) violence and rages

In my opinion, most of our kids on the spectrum are victims of heavy metal

toxicity from vaccinations.

Where in the brain the toxins deposit themselves determines the disability

of the child. So, I would say your son has deposits of mercury in that area

of the brain causing raging. We have some of this with our child.

Unfortunately, we have had to rely on psychotropics to help us and he is

on Zoloft and Abilify. It works well, but our son still struggles with

numerous things (and I have learned how not to upset him). We are beginning

chelation as I don't think there is really any other solution but to get

those toxins out. . . anything else is just a bandaid.

I highly recommend the gf/cf diet. Most of these kids have yeast issues

as well. You might benefit from the gf/cf list as well as the

chelating2kids list if you want to head in that direction. Until you get

some real help, I suggest a psychiatrist to help with behavior control

issues. Our children are sick.

[Guest guest]

While I do not wish to enter the vaccination debate

(even though I do have an opinion), I do have to say

that I think that there are probably numerous people

who are out there that are totally so

high-functioning, that they are undiagnosed. My dad

showed MANY

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Just a question,

You said your sons friends are aspies, and they are " non -vaccinated " .

were their parents vaccinated? If so, it can still be passed through to them.

I don't blame my son's AS all on the shots, but I bet it has some part in it.

<freecyclemail@...> wrote:

I have to disagree with you here. There are children my son is friends with

who are also Aspies...and they are " non-vaccinated " . I think vaccinations are

just a convenient thing for people to blame. I have yet to see any scientific

proof that vaccinations cause AS (or anything else for that matter).

( ) violence and rages

In my opinion, most of our kids on the spectrum are victims of heavy metal

toxicity from vaccinations.

Where in the brain the toxins deposit themselves determines the disability of

the child. So, I would say your son has deposits of mercury in that area of the

brain causing raging. We have some of this with our child.

Unfortunately, we have had to rely on psychotropics to help us and he is on

Zoloft and Abilify. It works well, but our son still struggles with numerous

things (and I have learned how not to upset him). We are beginning chelation as

I don't think there is really any other solution but to get those toxins out. .

.. anything else is just a bandaid.

I highly recommend the gf/cf diet. Most of these kids have yeast issues as

well. You might benefit from the gf/cf list as well as the chelating2kids list

if you want to head in that direction. Until you get some real help, I suggest

a psychiatrist to help with behavior control issues. Our children are sick.

[Guest guest]

If vaccines were the cause, or a cause, then why are 80% of autistic

children male? Wouldn't there be an equal number of females afflicted?

( ) violence and rages

>

>

> In my opinion, most of our kids on the spectrum are victims of heavy

> metal

> toxicity from vaccinations.

>

> Where in the brain the toxins deposit themselves determines the

> disability

> of the child. So, I would say your son has deposits of mercury in that

> area

> of the brain causing raging. We have some of this with our child.

>

> Unfortunately, we have had to rely on psychotropics to help us and he is

> on Zoloft and Abilify. It works well, but our son still struggles with

> numerous things (and I have learned how not to upset him). We are

> beginning

> chelation as I don't think there is really any other solution but to get

> those toxins out. . . anything else is just a bandaid.

>

> I highly recommend the gf/cf diet. Most of these kids have yeast issues

> as well. You might benefit from the gf/cf list as well as the

> chelating2kids list if you want to head in that direction. Until you get

> some real help, I suggest a psychiatrist to help with behavior control

> issues. Our children are sick.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not an expert here, but when mercury is introduced to the body, there is a

process the body goes through to eliminate it, for reasons unknown to me, some

people can't eliminate it, and for reasons unknown to me, they are usually, but

not always, boys.

And I was not suggesting that vaccines are the total cause, there were other

products containing thimerisol, including infant drops for ear and eye

infections, which my son used both frequently. So not only were we pumping it

into his blood stream, I was unknowingly putting it in his eyes and ears.

Although he does not test for high mercury in his blood now, I believe it was in

his system long enough as an infant to interfere with his brain development. But

I'm babbling again.........

Theresa

Jonson <brian.jonson@...> wrote:

If vaccines were the cause, or a cause, then why are 80% of autistic

children male? Wouldn't there be an equal number of females afflicted?

( ) violence and rages

>

>

> In my opinion, most of our kids on the spectrum are victims of heavy

> metal

> toxicity from vaccinations.

>

> Where in the brain the toxins deposit themselves determines the

> disability

> of the child. So, I would say your son has deposits of mercury in that

> area

> of the brain causing raging. We have some of this with our child.

>

> Unfortunately, we have had to rely on psychotropics to help us and he is

> on Zoloft and Abilify. It works well, but our son still struggles with

> numerous things (and I have learned how not to upset him). We are

> beginning

> chelation as I don't think there is really any other solution but to get

> those toxins out. . . anything else is just a bandaid.

>

> I highly recommend the gf/cf diet. Most of these kids have yeast issues

> as well. You might benefit from the gf/cf list as well as the

> chelating2kids list if you want to head in that direction. Until you get

> some real help, I suggest a psychiatrist to help with behavior control

> issues. Our children are sick.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

In response to your question re: vaccinations and the gender differences in

Diagnosis I have to say that I only said that children who are genically

pre-disposed already are affected by the vaccinations. Not all kids are.

Ann

Re: ( ) violence and rages

If vaccines were the cause, or a cause, then why are 80% of autistic

children male? Wouldn't there be an equal number of females afflicted?

( ) violence and rages

>

>

> In my opinion, most of our kids on the spectrum are victims of heavy

> metal

> toxicity from vaccinations.

>

> Where in the brain the toxins deposit themselves determines the

> disability

> of the child. So, I would say your son has deposits of mercury in that

> area

> of the brain causing raging. We have some of this with our child.

>

> Unfortunately, we have had to rely on psychotropics to help us and he is

> on Zoloft and Abilify. It works well, but our son still struggles with

> numerous things (and I have learned how not to upset him). We are

> beginning

> chelation as I don't think there is really any other solution but to get

> those toxins out. . . anything else is just a bandaid.

>

> I highly recommend the gf/cf diet. Most of these kids have yeast issues

> as well. You might benefit from the gf/cf list as well as the

> chelating2kids list if you want to head in that direction. Until you get

> some real help, I suggest a psychiatrist to help with behavior control

> issues. Our children are sick.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that 'if' vaccines and autism are connected it has to be

something with metabolism, and hormones are linked to metabolism.

http://www.healing-arts.org/children/metal-metabolism.htm

http://www.gender.org.uk/about/06encrn/62_hormn.htm

>

> ,

>

> In response to your question re: vaccinations and the gender

differences in

> Diagnosis I have to say that I only said that children who are

genically

> pre-disposed already are affected by the vaccinations. Not all kids

are.

> Ann

>

> Re: ( ) violence and rages

>

> If vaccines were the cause, or a cause, then why are 80% of

autistic

> children male? Wouldn't there be an equal number of females

afflicted?

[Guest guest]

I'm sure the vaccinations could have been part of it. But in today's society

it's hard to blame anyone disease/syndrome on any one cause. It's just

impossible to prove. People can guess all they want, but without proof in each

and every case, there's no way to know.

I'm happy for people that do what they gotta do to feel better about their kid

being an Aspie...we all believe differently I guess. :/

( ) violence and rages

In my opinion, most of our kids on the spectrum are victims of heavy metal

toxicity from vaccinations.

Where in the brain the toxins deposit themselves determines the disability

of the child. So, I would say your son has deposits of mercury in that area of

the brain causing raging. We have some of this with our child.

Unfortunately, we have had to rely on psychotropics to help us and he is

on Zoloft and Abilify. It works well, but our son still struggles with numerous

things (and I have learned how not to upset him). We are beginning chelation as

I don't think there is really any other solution but to get those toxins out. .

.. anything else is just a bandaid.

I highly recommend the gf/cf diet. Most of these kids have yeast issues

as well. You might benefit from the gf/cf list as well as the chelating2kids

list if you want to head in that direction. Until you get some real help, I

suggest a psychiatrist to help with behavior control issues. Our children are

sick.

[Guest guest]

I am convinced vaccinations play a part in my daughter's As. At least they

were the trigger for this condition to manifest. She was perfectly fine until

she had to have vaccinations to enter School (5-6) The only unusual thing about

her was that she was extremely bright.

I hope Vaccinations are not a risk factor anymore right now.

AS is a constant nightmare for us, K's rigidity make us late for school.

sensory issues are a huge barrier. I am between fires all the time trying to

make

my other children understand. Today: More than 2 hours to get out of the house

(Of course we were late for school). She hates medications so I cannot even

make her take them again.

I have to keep finding new ways, I wish to be able to stay home but this is

not an option right now.

I have to keep looking at the bright side: We have some good moments and she

is such a good person: caring, honest, and extremely intelligent.

God bless you!

Ana

[Guest guest]

,

I agree it's impossible to prove but why take the chance? There are mercury

free vaccinations available today. You simply have to ask for them and your

Ped can order them. I never want to look back as more research is done and

think I may have contributed to my childs autism or my other children

eigher. Better safe than sorry.

Ann

Re: ( ) violence and rages

I'm sure the vaccinations could have been part of it. But in today's

society it's hard to blame anyone disease/syndrome on any one cause. It's

just impossible to prove. People can guess all they want, but without proof

in each and every case, there's no way to know.

I'm happy for people that do what they gotta do to feel better about their

kid being an Aspie...we all believe differently I guess. :/

( ) violence and rages

In my opinion, most of our kids on the spectrum are victims of heavy

metal toxicity from vaccinations.

Where in the brain the toxins deposit themselves determines the

disability of the child. So, I would say your son has deposits of mercury

in that area of the brain causing raging. We have some of this with our

child.

Unfortunately, we have had to rely on psychotropics to help us and he

is on Zoloft and Abilify. It works well, but our son still struggles with

numerous things (and I have learned how not to upset him). We are beginning

chelation as I don't think there is really any other solution but to get

those toxins out. . . anything else is just a bandaid.

I highly recommend the gf/cf diet. Most of these kids have yeast

issues as well. You might benefit from the gf/cf list as well as the

chelating2kids list if you want to head in that direction. Until you get

some real help, I suggest a psychiatrist to help with behavior control

issues. Our children are sick.

[Guest guest]

Ann, the rates of new cases in California for autism finally declined

this year. In the up and coming years if there is a link

between 'mercury' and autism, we should see a further decline across

all states. Since people have not changed their diet or their

environment or the education of people diagnosing it, this will be

anecdotal proof.

> I have to disagree with you here. There are children my son

is

> friends with who are also Aspies...and they are " non-vaccinated " .

I think

> vaccinations are just a convenient thing for people to blame. I

have yet to

> see any scientific proof that vaccinations cause AS (or anything

else for

> that matter).

> ( ) violence and rages

>

>

> In my opinion, most of our kids on the spectrum are victims

of heavy

> metal toxicity from vaccinations.

>

> Where in the brain the toxins deposit themselves determines

the

> disability of the child. So, I would say your son has deposits of

mercury

> in that area of the brain causing raging. We have some of this

with our

> child.

>

> Unfortunately, we have had to rely on psychotropics to help

us and he

> is on Zoloft and Abilify. It works well, but our son still

struggles with

> numerous things (and I have learned how not to upset him). We are

beginning

> chelation as I don't think there is really any other solution but

to get

> those toxins out. . . anything else is just a bandaid.

>

> I highly recommend the gf/cf diet. Most of these kids have

yeast

> issues as well. You might benefit from the gf/cf list as well as

the

> chelating2kids list if you want to head in that direction. Until

you get

> some real help, I suggest a psychiatrist to help with behavior

control

> issues. Our children are sick.

>

>

>

>