Re: diflucan reaction? Dana

[Guest guest]

I gave my son 1/2 tablet of

diflucan with his dinner last night - he woke up at 3 a.m. and has

been vomiting since. Lots of undigested food. This might be die-off?

> It might be die off. It also might be an intolerance to the

Diflucan. Also, Diflucan is hard on the liver, did you have liver

testing first?<

No, we did no liver testing - lots of other stuff, but not liver. I

did a little searching on Diflucan and it sounded easily enough

tolerated - but the sites I looked at all seemed targeted to adults.

>

> > I think we'll have to back off the diflucan and stick with

decreasing the sugar in his diet, using enzymes and maybe GSE or

OoO - something gentler. What do you think?

> GSE and OoO are not gentle, altho they might be gentler than

Diflucan [i have never used Diflucan]. You can try giving activated

charcoal about 30-45 minutes after the yeast killer, to absorb

toxins. If that works, then it is die off.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Dana

I looked for activated charcoal in the HFS yesterday and forgot to

ask for it at the pharmacy. I guess my thinking with the GSE or OoO

is that I could titrate it more easily - drop by drop, and give with

No-Fenol. How long do you usually use the GSE or OoO - my sons BMs

have been good pretty normal looking for a while now and not too

smelly, but the one he had today was hideous according to DH (that

sounds like die-off too doesn't it?) He also had more vomiting today

and has been sleeping for the past two hours. I don't think I should

give him the Diflucan again under these circumstances.

Thanks for your help. Any other suggestions will be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

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The ingredients of Fungal Defense are:

Wild Oregano Concentrate

Fungal Defense N-Zyme blend, which is comprised of protease and cellulase

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Ionic Fulvic Acid Mineral Blend

HSO Priobiotic Blend, which is comprised of 14 or so different beneficial

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Carol Lively

Fort Worth, Texas

[Guest guest]

> No, we did no liver testing - lots of other stuff, but not liver. I

> did a little searching on Diflucan and it sounded easily enough

> tolerated - but the sites I looked at all seemed targeted to adults.

It is generally recommended to do liver testing before starting

Diflucan, because it can be hard on the liver. You might want to

discuss this with the doctor.

> I looked for activated charcoal in the HFS yesterday and forgot to

> ask for it at the pharmacy. I guess my thinking with the GSE or OoO

> is that I could titrate it more easily - drop by drop, and give with

> No-Fenol.

Yes, you can start with one drop [with No-Fenol] and work up. That is

how I started.

>> How long do you usually use the GSE or OoO - my sons BMs

> have been good pretty normal looking for a while now and not too

> smelly, but the one he had today was hideous according to DH (that

> sounds like die-off too doesn't it?)

Depends. With GSE, if I gave it when the yeast was gone, the bm would

look like diluted cottage cheese, which for my son meant that the GSE

had started a bad bacteria problem.

He also had more vomiting today

> and has been sleeping for the past two hours. I don't think I should

> give him the Diflucan again under these circumstances.

I agree with you.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I was wrong - I totally forgot about the lipid profile and liver

enzymes that were done. So, all that was normal. I haven't done any

more yeast treatment - letting him get back to " normal " for him.

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> > No, we did no liver testing - lots of other stuff, but not

liver. I did a little searching on Diflucan and it sounded easily

enough tolerated - but the sites I looked at all seemed targeted to

adults. It is generally recommended to do liver testing before

starting Diflucan, because it can be hard on the liver. You might

want to discuss this with the doctor.

> > I looked for activated charcoal in the HFS yesterday and forgot

to ask for it at the pharmacy. I guess my thinking with the GSE or

OoO is that I could titrate it more easily - drop by drop, and give

with No-Fenol.

> Yes, you can start with one drop [with No-Fenol] and work up. That

is how I started.

>

>

> >> How long do you usually use the GSE or OoO - my sons BMs

> > have been good pretty normal looking for a while now and not too

> > smelly, but the one he had today was hideous according to DH

(that sounds like die-off too doesn't it?)

>

>

> Depends. With GSE, if I gave it w look like diluted cottage

cheese, which for my son meant that the GSE

> had started a bad bacteria problem.

>

>

He also had more vomiting today and has been sleeping for the past

two hours. I don't think I should give him the Diflucan again under

these circumstances.

>

>

> I agree with you.

>

> Dana