Re: Expected behaviors with first couple weeks of enzymes?? PCA-Rx?? /DANA

[Guest guest]

Dana--Thanks so much! Now I have a plan! I will do what you said

about taking out the gluten/casein and adding them individually--

after a week on just the enzymes and his usual diet. Today I gave my

son 5 chewables (AFP) before he ate some animal crackers (contained

wheat; about an hour later he started gagging like he was nauseas

and about to throw up. Do you think this could be because I gave too

much of the enzymes? He actually only ate about 4 of the crackers,

so I am sure had more than enough enzyme to break them down. Could

this have been too much enzyme that made him feel sick? I bought

enzymes (not Houston) for my self so I could take them too see what

my son may be feeling. I took a big dose and didn't eat much. All

that seemed to happen was that I got really hot and began sweating.

This reaction could have also been because we were in Walmart and it

was really crowded!! I am sure the enzymes would probably act

differently in me because I don't have any problems with my gut. You

mentioned trying No-fenol. I have been putting a small amount in my

son's juice. I am afraid to increase it too much because I read

somewhere it can cause aggressiveness--and my son bit his therapist

yesterday (this is totally out of character for him). Thanks again

for all your suggestions and support. I am doing this enzyme trial

(and everything else in regard to my son) on my own so I truly

appreciate your help!!!!

Maureen

> > -I will definately take goldfish out of his diet.

>

>

> I assumed you meant goldfish CRACKERS. You didn't mean actual

> goldfish, did you?

>

> =)

>

>

> I gave him

> > goldfish before bed last night with 4 chewable AFP's. He woke up

at

> > 2:30 am and stayed WIDE awake until 5am.

>

>

> This was my son's reaction to cheese culture, especially if it was

> orange cheese. No-Fenol enzyme might help your child, but it did

not

> help mine.

>

>

> >>I am confused about what is causing these side

> > effects. How can you tell if it is the enzymes or the

gluten/casein?

>

>

> Give the enzymes without any gluten/casein. After a few days of no

> problems, add JUST wheat flour [bake it into cookies or pancakes or

> something]. Then add JUST milk [whole milk, not reduced fat,

organic

> is best].

>

>

> > Should I not be giving gluten and casein foods because I have

just

> > introduced the enzymes? But on the other hand, that is what the

> > enzymes are for, right?

>

>

> Some kids don't tolerate gluten and/or casein, even with enzymes.

>

> My son tolerated gluten/casein, but not OTHER things, like corn

syrup

> and a few other items.

>

>

> My son's language is really improving so I

> > don't want to stop the enzymes. And now that I added Zyme prime

and

> > no-fenol, if I take them out will it be harder to reintroduce

them

> > at a later point? Should I just ride this out?

>

>

> Keep the enzymes, but go back to his previous diet. Wait about a

> week. Then add ONE thing at a time, as I mentioned earlier.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

>>Today I gave my

> son 5 chewables (AFP) before he ate some animal crackers (contained

> wheat; about an hour later he started gagging like he was nauseas

> and about to throw up. Do you think this could be because I gave too

> much of the enzymes?

I suppose it is possible. It may be that he needs No-Fenol for the

flavorings in the chewable AFP.

When using No-Fenol, you should start at very low dose, altho some

kids need the full capsule. But it can cause yeast die off, which

might be the biting you observed.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana for your response. I have the powdered no-fenol. The

bottle says give 1/4 tsp with each meal. I have been adding about a

quarter of this dose to his juice, to try to start slowly. Is there

an average time period for " yeast die-off " to occur with the

addition of no-fenol? I and my son's therapists can handle the 'side

effect behaviors' of the enzymes; what I worry about is how his

teachers in his daycare handle them. He is the only ASD kid in the

place, and already challenges them daily! He pulled the fire alarm

about a month ago--before enzymes!! So you can probably see why I am

anxious about escalating bad behaviors while on enzymes during his

day at daycare.

I also have added the zyme prime for the last week. Can you explain

a little about the " happy child effect " ? My son is always pretty

happy (too happy sometimes--with the increased laughing for no

reason). Does this mean that I won't notice it? Or will he mellow

out, and go more with the flow as a result of the " happy child

effect " ? He's been much more tearful with the addition of enzymes,

for example if we are driving in the car and don't go the way he

wants he breaks down and starts sobbing. And today when my husband

told him he couldn't have something, he started sobbing again and

hyperventilating (like kids do when they are really upset). Before,

he would get mad and scream, but then go about his business. Does

the " happy child effect " mean that these type of episodes don't

happen so frequently? After 3-4 weeks on enzymes do the maladaptive

behaviors (hyperactivity, increased stimming, etc.) fade away

slowly, or do they just seem to stop?

I believe one of your kids doesn't tolerate gluten even with

enzymes; does he tolerate soy? My son has been soy free, along with

everything else. If I could add soy products this would allow for a

lot more variety in his diet. I'm sure the only way to know is to

have a trial period with soy products, but I was just curious to see

if kids have been tolerating soy with enzymes, if they couldn't

tolerate wheat.

One more question, do you use melatonin (or have you)? My son will

sleep for 7 hours and like clockwork then wake up. So, if he goes to

bed at 9pm, he is up between 3:30 and 4:30am. Would increasing the

dose help? Or not, because melatonin is cleared out of the body

within eight hours? If you or anyone else has knowledge about

melatonin I'd greatly appreciate any info.

Thanks so much!!!!

Maureen

In , " danasview " <danasview@y...>

wrote:

>

> >>Today I gave my

> > son 5 chewables (AFP) before he ate some animal crackers

(contained

> > wheat; about an hour later he started gagging like he was

nauseas

> > and about to throw up. Do you think this could be because I gave

too

> > much of the enzymes?

>

>

> I suppose it is possible. It may be that he needs No-Fenol for the

> flavorings in the chewable AFP.

>

> When using No-Fenol, you should start at very low dose, altho some

> kids need the full capsule. But it can cause yeast die off, which

> might be the biting you observed.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Dana for your response. I have the powdered no-fenol.

I believe this one contains MCT, which can trigger viral die off.

>>Is there

> an average time period for " yeast die-off " to occur with the

> addition of no-fenol?

Many kids require about 3 weeks to adjust to it.

> I also have added the zyme prime for the last week. Can you explain

> a little about the " happy child effect " ?

is better at doing that than I am. Basically, many kids have

negative reactions to foods, and they are irritable, aggressive, etc.

But Zyme Prime addresses quite a few foods, so the kids lose their

negative behaviors and start being " happy to be alive " , rather than

always negative.

>> My son is always pretty

> happy (too happy sometimes--with the increased laughing for no

> reason).

This was my son also.

>> Does this mean that I won't notice it? Or will he mellow

> out, and go more with the flow as a result of the " happy child

> effect " ?

This is sort of the experience I had with my son.

>>He's been much more tearful with the addition of enzymes,

> for example if we are driving in the car and don't go the way he

> wants he breaks down and starts sobbing. And today when my husband

> told him he couldn't have something, he started sobbing again and

> hyperventilating (like kids do when they are really upset). Before,

> he would get mad and scream, but then go about his business. Does

> the " happy child effect " mean that these type of episodes don't

> happen so frequently?

My son would cry more, when he was improving and also when he had yeast.

>>After 3-4 weeks on enzymes do the maladaptive

> behaviors (hyperactivity, increased stimming, etc.) fade away

> slowly, or do they just seem to stop?

For my son, they just seemed to stop over a period of about 2 days.

> I believe one of your kids doesn't tolerate gluten even with

> enzymes;

Initially I thought that was the case, but it turned out that he

really did not tolerate corn syrup, and I had challenged gluten with

an item containing corn syrup.

>>does he tolerate soy?

My kids tolerated soy with Peptizyde.

> One more question, do you use melatonin (or have you)?

No

My son will

> sleep for 7 hours and like clockwork then wake up. So, if he goes to

> bed at 9pm, he is up between 3:30 and 4:30am.

For my son, this was a few things. First phenol intolerance, then

yeast, then certain supplements.

Dana