RE: brainchild nutritionals and hyperactivity?

[Guest guest]

did your son have hyperactivity as a side affect? or others? what were

they? did you notice that the 1/4 tsp had any good affects? and the

minerals?

thanks for the info!

kyra

> >

> > and maybe even loss of appetite?

> >

> > we just started the Spetrum Support II and are going slowly, as the

> > directions suggest. this is day 4 and i'm noticing that wyatt (3

> 1/2,

> > possible Aspergers) is more hyper and wild (flushing his toothbrush

> > down the toilet...) and has much less of an appetite. Has anyone

> else

> > seen this? could it be just an adjustment to the vitamins?

> >

> > thanks for any input.

> > kyra, mom to wyatt

[Guest guest]

Hi Kyra,

Just wanted to speak up here. Yes, a bit of hyperness is not at all

uncommon in the first couple weeks on SSII. Just stay at the same dose of

the vitamins for another few days and see if it subsides. You can keep

increasing the minerals, as they are generally calming. If after awhile he

cannot tolerate the vitamins, we can always switch him to one of the

lower-intensity varieties we make. It takes time, though, and I'd give him

at least a few weeks for his body to get used to them before you decide

that's the case.

Loss of appetite is not very common, but does happen at times. Give it a

few days, and this, too will probably subside. Or he might be fighting a

virus etc. time will tell.

Terri

At 04:38 PM 11/4/2004, you wrote:

>and maybe even loss of appetite?

>

>we just started the Spetrum Support II and are going slowly, as the

>directions suggest. this is day 4 and i'm noticing that wyatt (3 1/2,

>possible Aspergers) is more hyper and wild (flushing his toothbrush

>down the toilet...) and has much less of an appetite. Has anyone else

>seen this? could it be just an adjustment to the vitamins?

>

>thanks for any input.

>kyra, mom to wyatt

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[Guest guest]

Hi Terri: It was suggested to contact you regarding vitamins and minerals

for my son . He is 20 years old and has Autism. I have (2 weeks) just

started him with Houstin Enzymes Peptizyde and Zyme Prime (not up to full

dose yet) and also a little No Fenol in the A.M. as the P.M. dose seems to

keep him up later at night (and very giggly at this time). Also just

started Candex in AM & PM and awaiting Culturelle. He is taking Risperdal

(3 mg) AM and PM and Trileptal (dont remember dose, Im at work) 2 AM and PM

which I am slowly reducing. I would really like to start my son on Vitamins

and Minerals and Im not sure which I should give him. I would like to start

after I have gotten the Enzmes to the proper levels. What do you suggest?

Thank You Eileen Brischoux

>From: Terri Mykland <terri@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: brainchild nutritionals and hyperactivity?

>Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:44:39 -0800

>

>Hi Kyra,

>

>Just wanted to speak up here. Yes, a bit of hyperness is not at all

>uncommon in the first couple weeks on SSII. Just stay at the same dose of

>the vitamins for another few days and see if it subsides. You can keep

>increasing the minerals, as they are generally calming. If after awhile he

>cannot tolerate the vitamins, we can always switch him to one of the

>lower-intensity varieties we make. It takes time, though, and I'd give him

>at least a few weeks for his body to get used to them before you decide

>that's the case.

>

>Loss of appetite is not very common, but does happen at times. Give it a

>few days, and this, too will probably subside. Or he might be fighting a

>virus etc. time will tell.

>

>Terri

>

>At 04:38 PM 11/4/2004, you wrote:

>

>

> >and maybe even loss of appetite?

> >

> >we just started the Spetrum Support II and are going slowly, as the

> >directions suggest. this is day 4 and i'm noticing that wyatt (3 1/2,

> >possible Aspergers) is more hyper and wild (flushing his toothbrush

> >down the toilet...) and has much less of an appetite. Has anyone else

> >seen this? could it be just an adjustment to the vitamins?

> >

> >thanks for any input.

> >kyra, mom to wyatt

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> and maybe even loss of appetite?

High doses of B vitamins commonly cause hyper and loss of appetite for

certain children. I would reduce the vitamin dose, keep it there for

a week or so, then try to slowly increase it again.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I would just hold at the dose you are giving until the behaviors pass. Don't

be nervous about going too slow. It is amazing how sensitive these kids (and

adults!) can be. I have had my own episodes of being

hyper-sensitive-to-a-ridiculous-level.

Remember, that even with improved nutrition, the body needs a little time to

adjust to not only the nutrients put in the body, but also all the pathways

that are affected by those nutrients are 'adjusting'. Cells may have

developed in a sub-optimal environment and don't function as they should;

and now newer cells are developing in the better environment and may act

slightly differently.

With improved nutrition, there is a bit of detoxing and cleaning out

throughout the body as well.

.

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Brainchild gets a lot of good press here, as it should (it contains

excellent and appropriate vitamins and minerals), but it is not for

everyone. If your child has shown sensitivity to supplements in the

past, this may not be a good product to start with.

My nutritionist told me that for every miracle result, there are

serious set-backs with the same multiple. There are biochemical

inefficiencies that impair excellent utilization of some nutrients for

some children. I know she works with a lot of spectrum children, as

she is a DAN! nutritionist. She told me that when she has started too

soon with a combined therapeutic supplement, there were often

upsetting reversals in progress, increases in behaviors and symptoms

that were often upsetting to parents. This would occur even if the

child needed the specific nutrient. If you have a history of negative

reactions, you are far better off trying supplements individually.

This way you will know what is aggravating to your child. You can

always compound later.

In our case, I so wanted to bypass the difficult trial approach, that

I tried the Brainchild Nutritionals. My son had an extremely severe

negative reaction to just the minerals portion. He regressed for

three to four weeks after a three day trial at 1/8 dose. It was very

upsetting and frightening to us. Retrospectively, I think it was

probably the MSM in the minerals formulation.

Subsequently, I have successfully introduced magnesium and calcium to

his protocol of a children's multivitamin (he had taken these prior to

any interventions), zinc and enzymes. It took us four weeks to work

up to a full-dose, and it was well worth it. After this, I tried a

very small amount of TMG with folinic and methyl-b12 (just one dose).

We had an immediate negative reaction, with regression lasting 10

days. I shudder to think what would have happened if I had used the

Brainchild Nutritionals supplement with TMG for a few days.

I truly believe this product to be excellent, if your child can

tolerate it. However, if you already know your child to be very

sensitive to supplements, I do not think this is the way to go.

Judy

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> and maybe even loss of appetite?

>

> we just started the Spetrum Support II and are going slowly, as the

> directions suggest. this is day 4 and i'm noticing that wyatt (3 1/2,

> possible Aspergers) is more hyper and wild (flushing his toothbrush

> down the toilet...) and has much less of an appetite. Has anyone else

> seen this? could it be just an adjustment to the vitamins?

>

> thanks for any input.

> kyra, mom to wyatt

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy,

Thanks for your very honest feedback and account of your

experience. Indeed, no supplement is for everyone, and many of the kids

are in a state early on where they cannot tolerate many, many things. I

did just want to mention that our newest addition, Ultra-Sensitive Formula,

introduced in January of this year, is an attempt to create a

multivitamin/mineral supplement tolerated by the most sensitive

children. So far, we've had extremely positive reports from those using

it, even if they could not use other supplements, although I'm sure there

are still a few who cannot use it. We do sometimes find that children can

tolerate one component of it (i.e. the minerals) but not the other.

Our suggestion, as it is with everything we make, is to start at low doses

of what they can tolerate, and take it as slow as your child's body tells

you to, which could mean starting with very tiny doses indeed of just a few

nutrients, for those most sensitive children. I would just add one tip for

those of you in this situation: getting good, well-absorbed minerals in, in

whatever form, does seem to help them tolerate more vitamins, over time.

Terri at Brainchild

At 10:20 AM 11/6/2004, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>Brainchild gets a lot of good press here, as it should (it contains

>excellent and appropriate vitamins and minerals), but it is not for

>everyone. If your child has shown sensitivity to supplements in the

>past, this may not be a good product to start with.

>

>My nutritionist told me that for every miracle result, there are

>serious set-backs with the same multiple. There are biochemical

>inefficiencies that impair excellent utilization of some nutrients for

>some children. I know she works with a lot of spectrum children, as

>she is a DAN! nutritionist. She told me that when she has started too

>soon with a combined therapeutic supplement, there were often

>upsetting reversals in progress, increases in behaviors and symptoms

>that were often upsetting to parents. This would occur even if the

>child needed the specific nutrient. If you have a history of negative

>reactions, you are far better off trying supplements individually.

>This way you will know what is aggravating to your child. You can

>always compound later.

>

>In our case, I so wanted to bypass the difficult trial approach, that

>I tried the Brainchild Nutritionals. My son had an extremely severe

>negative reaction to just the minerals portion. He regressed for

>three to four weeks after a three day trial at 1/8 dose. It was very

>upsetting and frightening to us. Retrospectively, I think it was

>probably the MSM in the minerals formulation.

>

>Subsequently, I have successfully introduced magnesium and calcium to

>his protocol of a children's multivitamin (he had taken these prior to

>any interventions), zinc and enzymes. It took us four weeks to work

>up to a full-dose, and it was well worth it. After this, I tried a

>very small amount of TMG with folinic and methyl-b12 (just one dose).

> We had an immediate negative reaction, with regression lasting 10

>days. I shudder to think what would have happened if I had used the

>Brainchild Nutritionals supplement with TMG for a few days.

>

>I truly believe this product to be excellent, if your child can

>tolerate it. However, if you already know your child to be very

>sensitive to supplements, I do not think this is the way to go.

>

>Judy

>

>

> >

> > and maybe even loss of appetite?

> >

> > we just started the Spetrum Support II and are going slowly, as the

> > directions suggest. this is day 4 and i'm noticing that wyatt (3 1/2,

> > possible Aspergers) is more hyper and wild (flushing his toothbrush

> > down the toilet...) and has much less of an appetite. Has anyone else

> > seen this? could it be just an adjustment to the vitamins?

> >

> > thanks for any input.

> > kyra, mom to wyatt

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My daughter does not tolerate MSM at any dose so she,too did not

tolerate the Brainchild minerals. She also seems unable to tolerate

even the lowest dose of zinc. She does fabulously, however on the

vitamins (we use the grad formula) at a low dose. I realize it is

scary when your child has a bad reaction for any reason because my

daughter has reacted badly to many supplements over the years,

however the Brainchilds suppements-along with Houston's enzymes-has

done just amazing things for her. I hope you won't write off

Brainchild just because the first one you tried wasn't for you. We

tried the original formula first to no avail, but a lengthy

conversation with Lang at BC convinced me to try the Grad

formula vitamins and that has worked great. We now use the

Herbathione as well and I cannot put into words the improvements my

daughter has shown since she started that. Best of luck.

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In , " jeg203 " <jeg203@n...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> Brainchild gets a lot of good press here, as it should (it contains

> excellent and appropriate vitamins and minerals), but it is not for

> everyone. If your child has shown sensitivity to supplements in the

> past, this may not be a good product to start with.

>

> My nutritionist told me that for every miracle result, there are

> serious set-backs with the same multiple. There are biochemical

> inefficiencies that impair excellent utilization of some nutrients

for

> some children. I know she works with a lot of spectrum children, as

> she is a DAN! nutritionist. She told me that when she has started

too

> soon with a combined therapeutic supplement, there were often

> upsetting reversals in progress, increases in behaviors and symptoms

> that were often upsetting to parents. This would occur even if the

> child needed the specific nutrient. If you have a history of

negative

> reactions, you are far better off trying supplements individually.

> This way you will know what is aggravating to your child. You can

> always compound later.

>

> In our case, I so wanted to bypass the difficult trial approach,

that

> I tried the Brainchild Nutritionals. My son had an extremely severe

> negative reaction to just the minerals portion. He regressed for

> three to four weeks after a three day trial at 1/8 dose. It was

very

> upsetting and frightening to us. Retrospectively, I think it was

> probably the MSM in the minerals formulation.

>

> Subsequently, I have successfully introduced magnesium and calcium

to

> his protocol of a children's multivitamin (he had taken these prior

to

> any interventions), zinc and enzymes. It took us four weeks to work

> up to a full-dose, and it was well worth it. After this, I tried a

> very small amount of TMG with folinic and methyl-b12 (just one

dose).

> We had an immediate negative reaction, with regression lasting 10

> days. I shudder to think what would have happened if I had used the

> Brainchild Nutritionals supplement with TMG for a few days.

>

> I truly believe this product to be excellent, if your child can

> tolerate it. However, if you already know your child to be very

> sensitive to supplements, I do not think this is the way to go.

>

> Judy

>

>

> >

> > and maybe even loss of appetite?

> >

> > we just started the Spetrum Support II and are going slowly, as

the

> > directions suggest. this is day 4 and i'm noticing that wyatt (3

1/2,

> > possible Aspergers) is more hyper and wild (flushing his

toothbrush

> > down the toilet...) and has much less of an appetite. Has anyone

else

> > seen this? could it be just an adjustment to the vitamins?

> >

> > thanks for any input.

> > kyra, mom to wyatt