Timing of supplements

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I just noticed that Dr. McCandless is recommending enzymes at the

beginning of the meal, probiotics in the middle and antibiotics

between meals. Presumably, anti-yeast stuff would be taken between

meals, too. Of course, the anti-yeast treatments are supposed to be

helped by taking enzymes at the same time, so that would mean enzymes

between meals as well. All of this is just my best understanding

right now. I believe I've seen a recommendation from DeFelice

to give probiotics just before bed, so there does not seem to be a

consensus on all this.

I believe 's book says enzymes kill pathogens and I believe that

she says that includes bacteria. (Please correct me if I've got that

wrong.) If enzymes do kill bacteria, do they do so selectively with

" bad " bacteria, not " good " bacteria?

As you can see, I'm pretty muddled about all this and I'd like to hear

what other people think works.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

>>>>> I just noticed that Dr. McCandless is recommending enzymes at

the beginning of the meal, probiotics in the middle and antibiotics

> between meals.

The general recommendation from this group for some time has been

enzymes at the beginning of a meal and probiotics at the end (or some

other time between meals if needed), so McCandless must be picking

this up now. It really depends on the probiotics. Some probiotics are

to be taken with meals while other are specifically not to be taken

with meals. I know with Culturelle it doesn't matter at all. So that

is why you hear many different recommendations: the probiotics are

different. It isn't you that is slow to understand, it can be a

confusing area.

Enzymes are best when taken at before or at the beginning of eating

so they can be in contact with the food.

>>>>I believe I've seen a recommendation from DeFelice to give

probiotics just before bed,

This is just what I did because it was convenient. It isn't any type

of special recommendation - just tossing out an idea. I used

Culturelle and Florajen 3 which didn't have any requirements for

taking with food.

>>>>I believe 's book says enzymes kill pathogens and I believe

that she says that includes bacteria. (Please correct me if I've got

that wrong.)

You are correct. Certain enzymes can affect certain pathogens. An

indirect way is by digesting the food so the person gets the energy

and nutrition and not the pathogens (starving them). But the direct

way is proteases breaking down pathogens. Cellulases can affect yeast

because they have cellulose as part of their make up as well as

proteins.

>>>>If enzymes do kill bacteria, do they do so selectively with " bad "

bacteria, not " good " bacteria?

My understanding is yes they do it selectively to a large extent,

although certain strains of probiotics can be affected by proteases.

I do not know the exact mechanics of how this happens...perhaps Devin

Houston does. I have done literature search upon literature search

trying to find the answers to these questions. However, it seems like

many strains of probiotics are not affected by the proteases but some

are. This may be why some probiotics require taking away from enzymes

whereas other do not. It also matters where in the intestines the

probiotic is to 'land'. Like in the small intestines or colon.

Whether they can withstand the stomach acid without enteric coating

or not. So if really falls to researching your probiotic.

Keep in mind that certain probiotics must be resistant to proteases

because the very probiotics in your gut secrete proteases and other

enzymes to digest food for themselves! They put proteases in their

immediate micro-environment for their own use. A really interesting

area of study.

Also, enzymes have a very synergistic effect with pathogen

treatments. So if you have a pathogen to get rid of, consider

combining enzymes with whatever other treatment is typically

prescribed. The combination tends to be more effective than either

the enzymes or the pathogen treatment alone. There are many studies

listed at the www.enzymestuff.com site under:

Enzymes and Bacteria

Enzymes and Yeast

Enzymes and Viruses

.

[Guest guest]

>

> I give my son Garlic, grapefruit seed extract, and Olive Leaf Extract

> before bed at night. Is the timing ok?

The GSE and OLE are both high phenol, so they can cause sleep issues

for some children.

>>Does one interfere with the

> others?

Not that I am aware of.

Dana