Re: hair test - part 2, michelle, sharon-

[Guest guest]

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Why is it that you don't like chelation? It seems like alot of kids

are getting better from doing it. How did you get your child

better, did you chelate or use supplements only?

I have been supplementing my boys since Oct. 2003 and ran a follow

up hair test and some of their nutrients have improved, but the

toxic metals were basically the same. So we recently started

chelation with DMSA, we have done 2 rounds and I have seen some

subtle changes in them.

If I don't chelate, how am I going to get the metals out of my

boys? I can't just leave the metals there and let my boys continue

to be harmed from them.

Let me know,

Thanks,

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>

> there are no safe chelation protocols and as far as i can see

> chelation is the last refuge of those who don't want to work

things

> through at a detail level of a broader suppelment approach.

>

>

> having said that mobilising mercury is an issue with ala and

sharon

> would be advised to stop. like really advised to stop. also since

she

> is thinking along chelation lines then at least she ahould be

> visiting the autism mercury board.

>

> i have yet to see any really satisfactory results for chelation

once

> you get past the parents selling what they are doing and collate

> what they are really saying over posts over a year or so.

>

> andy cutler is not doing so great on his own chelation imo and is

> regressing.

>

> the problem is with a-c's supplementation and approach is it is

too

> coarse to give really high function , hes really targeted at very

> medically ill kids getting some improvement which is not that

> difficult considering the way most of them are fed and

supplemented.

>

[Guest guest]

well i have written all this up on my web site.

basically good minerals and a detailed broad based supplement

approach displace heavy metals

i don't have a child, i am only me doing what was in hindsight

necesary to survive. there is another family here doing roughly the

same approach with good results.

i keep posting about skin vitmain d and how many people have read or

worked though it?

i find these boards a bit depressing in the way people just skimp

over essential stuff and just want simple answers, more simple than

is possible.

and now i am discovering that theres basic food quality issues in

modern life.... like the difference between feral austrlalian possum

liver is dso far ahead of cattle liver its not funny. we are all

starving though our stomachs are full. eggs are another one for this.

> >

> >

> > there are no safe chelation protocols and as far as i can see

> > chelation is the last refuge of those who don't want to work

> things

> > through at a detail level of a broader suppelment approach.

> >

> >

> > having said that mobilising mercury is an issue with ala and

> sharon

> > would be advised to stop. like really advised to stop. also since

> she

> > is thinking along chelation lines then at least she ahould be

> > visiting the autism mercury board.

> >

> > i have yet to see any really satisfactory results for chelation

> once

> > you get past the parents selling what they are doing and

collate

> > what they are really saying over posts over a year or so.

> >

> > andy cutler is not doing so great on his own chelation imo and is

> > regressing.

> >

> > the problem is with a-c's supplementation and approach is it is

> too

> > coarse to give really high function , hes really targeted at very

> > medically ill kids getting some improvement which is not that

> > difficult considering the way most of them are fed and

> supplemented.

> >

[Guest guest]

wrote:

" there are no safe chelation protocols and as far as i can see

chelation is the last refuge of those who don't want to work things

through at a detail level of a broader suppelment approach.

having said that mobilising mercury is an issue with ala and sharon

would be advised to stop. like really advised to stop. also since she

is thinking along chelation lines then at least she ahould be

visiting the autism mercury board.

i have yet to see any really satisfactory results for chelation once

you get past the parents selling what they are doing and collate

what they are really saying over posts over a year or so.

andy cutler is not doing so great on his own chelation imo and is

regressing.

the problem is with a-c's supplementation and approach is it is too

coarse to give really high function , hes really targeted at very

medically ill kids getting some improvement which is not that

difficult considering the way most of them are fed and supplemented.

"

And then he wrote:

" i keep posting about skin vitmain d and how many people have read or

worked though it?

i find these boards a bit depressing in the way people just skimp

over essential stuff and just want simple answers, more simple than

is possible.

and now i am discovering that theres basic food quality issues in

modern life.... like the difference between feral austrlalian possum

liver is dso far ahead of cattle liver its not funny. we are all

starving though our stomachs are full. eggs are another one for this.

"

My experience with my son is that anything extreme will send him to the

other side of imbalance.

This is why I am not keen either at all to even consider chelation.

He has multiple allergies, intolerances and food sensitivity issues.

We have done gentle, slow approaches in the past 2.5 years, I feel it is

a long journey, but I totally agree that proper nutrition, diets

(gradually introduced) and gentle supplementation (also very gradually

built up) should address most issues for many people albeit very slowly,

so it is hard to hang in there and wait for the improvement or even

notice the improvement when it is so tiny and gradual.

Still, we have been witnessing a steady improvement especially now.

Do not give up on candida treatments if you feel nothing helps, the

right combination of supplements and diets will pay off eventually.

Experimentation and learning is the key.

I really give a lot about 's opinion, because I feel that he goes

into researching something to the very bottom, tries it and draws

conclusions for himself, but in the meantime he maintains that what

works for one may not work for another.

THERE are NO simple answers. The only thing we have is directions to

take, go down a lane, turn back, go down another one... Also, there is

so many of them.

This is why so few of the doctors can really be right for our children.

Because they, more than any parent, are susceptible to going down only a

few lanes and be restricted to those. How could any doctor be so

in-tuned with our child and the reactions of our child as us, parents?!

No way!!!

They all seem to just promote a certain avenue, one that they have found

early on to bring some results for some children. Then they swear by it.

They do not seem to even consider the effects of their recommended

treatments on other areas of health.

Which is good in a sense, works in some cases, but in every individual

case, whether we like it or not, we must go down our own personal lane,

follow our own child and our own intuition.

An example of this is when I saw a chelation and metals specialist. As a

response to hearing that my son was high on copper, he pulled out a

sheet of information of how to balance high copper. It recommended 50-60

mg of zinc daily. I would never do that. How could I ever know before

too late that we went over to the other side? That much zinc surely

could not be good to a 60 pounds child. So I am giving ~7 mg chelated

zinc a day only and it seems Ok. The doctor also missed out on the

relevance of high copper in hair but low copper in blood serum.

For this reason, I will try the zinc that comes with a bit of copper

that ANDREW recommended a few weeks ago. I would not believe that you

need to drive out copper entirely.

The information is not useless but it needs to go through my filters and

be adjusted to the individual case of my son.

By the way, it also recommended giving Molybdenum to counteract high

copper.

It did not say anything about iron, which is surprising to me because

iron can also be driven out by zinc... I have an iron deficient teenage

daughter, so this issue is very relevant.

Summarising, I believe in supplementation that addresses an imbalance in

a way that it can go on for a long time in a sustainable manner. Only in

very extreme cases I would consider high doze supplementation for a

short time. Low doze supplementation is better for the body to adjust

slowly.

Remember aquarium fish? When the water is at toxic levels, you can not

adjust it too quickly to something beautifully clean, the fish may go to

a shock! The same is true for the human body. Our cells get adjusted to

the imbalance and if sudden changes occur, even if for the better, it

may send us off the chart for a while, even if we are NT. Our children

are very sensitive, and therefore better to treat them slowly, like

gentle waves of water slowly changing the landscape.

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Can you please expand on the skin vitamin D info you refered to?

My son was also very low on Vitamin D and I am giving him 1000IU of

Ostelin every day (maybe on a good sunny day with a lot of sun exposure

I do not give it).

It seems to help a lot. I even think that vitamin D may have had a play

in finally conquering candida and put his Tourette symptoms to sleep...

I have the feeling that Vitamin D is an important link for the body to

process calcium/magnesium properly. Is there anything else that you

know?

The thoughts on wild meat are very interesting. Would it mean that it is

a good idea to add Kangaroo meat to the diet? (Kangaroos are more easily

available here than deer or wild boar, etc.)

, where do you get possum meat from? Or was it just a metaphor? Or

do you go out to shooting possums in your backyard or the nearest park?

LOL

And what did you find with eggs?

I have found good eggs coming from near Ballarat, sold in some Coles

Supermarkets, called Home on the Range certified free range eggs. I

talked to them and they do not spray, they only feed natural food, they

do not give pallets, which are the worst source of rubbish in eggs.

Sorry Guys, I simply can not write a short message!

Cheers,

Elvira

Melbourne

Australia

[Guest guest]

liver is a great scource of iron. i prefer possum liver tops, then

beef liver.

elvira, i live out in the country and will go shooting at night

occasionally for some unfortunate possum.(australian possums are

quite diffferent from usa possums)

kangaroo meat would be pretty tough, its the offal, liver kidneys

lungs etc that are the best part but would be difficult to get short

of shooting one yourself.

yeah it a help to find good eggs, there is one place here thats ok to.

the ostelin is d2 and not d3 and d3 is supposedly the preffered form

but i haven't really looked into it

be careful not to overdose vitmain d.

skin vitamain d is something you really have to work out from

experience, a bit academic in austrlalia here until summer of course.

> It did not say anything about iron, which is surprising to me

because

> iron can also be driven out by zinc... I have an iron deficient

teenage

> daughter, so this issue is very relevant.

>

> Summarising, I believe in supplementation that addresses an

imbalance in

> a way that it can go on for a long time in a sustainable manner.

Only in

> very extreme cases I would consider high doze supplementation for a

> short time. Low doze supplementation is better for the body to

adjust

> slowly.

>

> Remember aquarium fish? When the water is at toxic levels, you can

not

> adjust it too quickly to something beautifully clean, the fish may

go to

> a shock! The same is true for the human body. Our cells get

adjusted to

> the imbalance and if sudden changes occur, even if for the better,

it

> may send us off the chart for a while, even if we are NT. Our

children

> are very sensitive, and therefore better to treat them slowly, like

> gentle waves of water slowly changing the landscape.

>

> ,

>

> Can you please expand on the skin vitamin D info you refered to?

>

> My son was also very low on Vitamin D and I am giving him 1000IU of

> Ostelin every day (maybe on a good sunny day with a lot of sun

exposure

> I do not give it).

>

> It seems to help a lot. I even think that vitamin D may have had a

play

> in finally conquering candida and put his Tourette symptoms to

sleep...

>

> I have the feeling that Vitamin D is an important link for the body

to

> process calcium/magnesium properly. Is there anything else that you

> know?

>

> The thoughts on wild meat are very interesting. Would it mean that

it is

> a good idea to add Kangaroo meat to the diet? (Kangaroos are more

easily

> available here than deer or wild boar, etc.)

>

> , where do you get possum meat from? Or was it just a

metaphor? Or

> do you go out to shooting possums in your backyard or the nearest

park?

> LOL

> And what did you find with eggs?

> I have found good eggs coming from near Ballarat, sold in some Coles

> Supermarkets, called Home on the Range certified free range eggs. I

> talked to them and they do not spray, they only feed natural food,

they

> do not give pallets, which are the worst source of rubbish in eggs.

>

>

> Sorry Guys, I simply can not write a short message!

>

>

> Cheers,

>

> Elvira

> Melbourne

> Australia

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