Re: Gluten, dairy, sugar problems (Candida?)/ jason

[Guest guest]

> On that note, I should point out that the dairy + sugar + alcohol

problems seem to be classic Candida sensitivities. So my questions

are:

Yes, this is what I was thinking as I read it. You can also toss in

that since the immune system is so overloaded anyway, it

becomes 'hyper-reactive' to just about everything else as

well...leading to all the environmental allergies.

Starting enzymes and a good yeast program usually helps many of

these things drop off or at least greatly reduced in severity.

>>>> Do I need to first get the Candida under control? Or could I

not haven Candida at all, rather severe lack of enzyme problems

mimicking Candida?

You don't *have* to address Candida first. Candida usually takes a

total program approach: enzymes, plus some diet changes, plus some

yeast killer, plus detox aids, plus probiotic, plus stress

management...you probably know all that anyway. Yeast seems much

tougher than bacteria.

I noticed the Threelac literature includes the recommendation to

stay on a sugar-reduced diet for a couple weeks and keep up the

yeast-control program for at least 2 months.

>>> was thinking of starting to take ThreeLac for the Candida, but

want to make sure I really need it, and if so, that I can take

enzymes simultaneously.

You can take probiotics and enzymes in the same day. Many can be

taken at the same time. Some probiotics aren't as 'stable' with

enzymes so some people find that some probiotics at better for them

if taken apart from enzymes. Just try it both ways and see which

works out better for you. Threelac should be fine, though.

>>>> Maybe I should also point out that in general, even though I

avoid the above foods, I suffer from muscle pain and fatigue similar

to fibromyalgia-like symptoms....I believe I suffer from Leaky Gut

Syndrome, and also know my liver is overloaded

All of these can be quite intertwined (which you probably know as

well). The yeast leads to leaky gut and intestinal damage. digestion

is impaired and thus food not sufficiently digested setting off all

types of reactions. The food indigestion and yeast by-products load

toxins into the body which flood the liver, etc, etc. You have lack

of nutrition creating nutrient deficiencies and pathway problems.

Yuck!

So what to do. You are on the right path. Here is a 'program' which

seems to help for yeast and has been successful in the past:

Start with Zyme Prime as a broad-spectrum. Start with 1/2 a capsule

at a couple meals for a couple days. Then increase to 1/2 capsule

with all meals and bigger snacks. Do this for a couple days. Then

increase to 1 full capsule at a couple meals for a couple days. Then

increase to a 1 full capsule at all meals and all snacks.

If at any time, you have too much die-off or are uncomfortable, hold

at that enzyme level for a few days until it levels off before

increasing the dose again. And do any detox measures during time

too: antioxidants, epsom salts, milk thistle, activated charcoal,

bottled water, whatever seems to help. You don't have to do all

these things, it is just a list of ideas to consider.

Then add in Peptizyde at a 1/2 capsule at a couple meals for a

couple days, and follow the same gradual incremental dosing as given

previously for the Zyme Prime. Proteases such as Peptizyde are much

more likely to cause die-off of pathogens, so if you see more die-

off or other adjustments with Peptizyde, this is common and to be

expected. Strong proteases do more direct healing work, so the

adjustments might be more noticeable. After you are adjusted up to

one Peptizyde and one Zyme Prime per meals and major snacks, then

start the between meal yeast program.

At this point, I would start the Threelac with the gradual dosing if

you can open capsules with the Threelac. If note, start with one a

day, then 2 a day until you get to whatever dosing is recommended

for you. This can also cause noticeble die-off.

The probiotics and enzymes and any yeast-killer all seem to have a

synergistic effect on yeast and work well together. However, if you

start them all at the same time, the die-off can be majorly

overwhelming, so this gradual stepping was started just to make it

more tolerable (particularly for kids who don't really understand

why they are feeling miserable).

After you get the Threelac to the right dose and all is tolerated,

add in No-Fenol between meals. No-Fenol contains enzymes that seem

particularly helpful with yeast. This was discovered by accident but

it turns out that such enzymes were known to help with yeast. There

are a few other enzyme products with similar enzymes in them just

for yeast too.

Start the No-Fenol between meals at 1/4 a capsule. This ones starts

lower because the it has a record of being particularly 'potent' on

yeast. Increase slowly to 1/2 capsule and then 1 full capsule

between meals 2-3 times a day. Mid-morning, mid-afternoon, and at

bedtime seem to work well.

When you get up to 1 capsule at these times, then add in a yeast

killer such as oregano (oregacyn is good) or grapefruit seed extract

between meals WITH the No-Fenol. Again, this has a history of being

highly synergistic and effective on yeast.

The entire process may take a few weeks. If you want to go faster,

certainly it is fine to try it. But this is a more conservative

method designed to help make die-off tolerable when it is more

dreadful.

I tend to favor doing more enzymes to help fight pathogens as they

seem very safe and 'natural' and help as well as anything else. So

you can go up to many enzymes between meals if you want. Adding in a

Peptizyde with the No-Fenol and yeast killer between meals would be

something to consider.

>>>>I have read the info @ http://www.enzymestuff.com (GREAT site!)

which led me here.

Thanks!

.

[Guest guest]

Wow ,

Just wanted to thank you for all your detailed info! :-) Highly

appreciated!

It's good to know about the die-off, as due to my desperation, I was kind of

planning of chugging down enzymes as soon as I got em. I guess I will start

off slower like you say. You have outlined a very detailed and informative

protocol, and I really thank you for that :-) In some senses, I feel like I

may try skipping the Threelac and just going with the NoPhenol and GSE or

another yeast killer. Friends I know who have taken Threelas says it works

great but if they stop taking it all the Candida symptoms return. They feel

like they have to keep taking it forever, which is something I would like to

avoid. I want to KILL it, not just keep it at bay

And thanks for confirming and clarifying a lot of what I was thinking -

everything being interconnected - Candida, allergies, leaky gut, etc all

coming down to enzyme problems. It seems I am on the right path, and it's

good to get that confirmation vs. just being hopeful.

If you cannot tell already, there is a lot of THANK YOU in this mail from me

to you :-) It took a lot of time for you to put all this info together for

me, and it has been very helpful.

I will post my results as they come in (should have my Houston enzymes

tomorrow), and with the help of you and this community, I hope to finally be

on the road to wellness! (I KNOW I am on the right path)

Best wishes and Happy New Year!

_jason_

On 12/28/04 9:50 PM, " jornmatt " <kjorn@...> wrote:

>

>> On that note, I should point out that the dairy + sugar + alcohol

> problems seem to be classic Candida sensitivities. So my questions

> are:

>

> Yes, this is what I was thinking as I read it. You can also toss in

> that since the immune system is so overloaded anyway, it

> becomes 'hyper-reactive' to just about everything else as

> well...leading to all the environmental allergies.

>

> Starting enzymes and a good yeast program usually helps many of

> these things drop off or at least greatly reduced in severity.

>

>

>>>>> Do I need to first get the Candida under control? Or could I

> not haven Candida at all, rather severe lack of enzyme problems

> mimicking Candida?

>

> You don't *have* to address Candida first. Candida usually takes a

> total program approach: enzymes, plus some diet changes, plus some

> yeast killer, plus detox aids, plus probiotic, plus stress

> management...you probably know all that anyway. Yeast seems much

> tougher than bacteria.

>

> I noticed the Threelac literature includes the recommendation to

> stay on a sugar-reduced diet for a couple weeks and keep up the

> yeast-control program for at least 2 months.

>

>

>>>> was thinking of starting to take ThreeLac for the Candida, but

> want to make sure I really need it, and if so, that I can take

> enzymes simultaneously.

>

> You can take probiotics and enzymes in the same day. Many can be

> taken at the same time. Some probiotics aren't as 'stable' with

> enzymes so some people find that some probiotics at better for them

> if taken apart from enzymes. Just try it both ways and see which

> works out better for you. Threelac should be fine, though.

>

>

>>>>> Maybe I should also point out that in general, even though I

> avoid the above foods, I suffer from muscle pain and fatigue similar

> to fibromyalgia-like symptoms....I believe I suffer from Leaky Gut

> Syndrome, and also know my liver is overloaded

>

> All of these can be quite intertwined (which you probably know as

> well). The yeast leads to leaky gut and intestinal damage. digestion

> is impaired and thus food not sufficiently digested setting off all

> types of reactions. The food indigestion and yeast by-products load

> toxins into the body which flood the liver, etc, etc. You have lack

> of nutrition creating nutrient deficiencies and pathway problems.

> Yuck!

>

> So what to do. You are on the right path. Here is a 'program' which

> seems to help for yeast and has been successful in the past:

>

> Start with Zyme Prime as a broad-spectrum. Start with 1/2 a capsule

> at a couple meals for a couple days. Then increase to 1/2 capsule

> with all meals and bigger snacks. Do this for a couple days. Then

> increase to 1 full capsule at a couple meals for a couple days. Then

> increase to a 1 full capsule at all meals and all snacks.

>

> If at any time, you have too much die-off or are uncomfortable, hold

> at that enzyme level for a few days until it levels off before

> increasing the dose again. And do any detox measures during time

> too: antioxidants, epsom salts, milk thistle, activated charcoal,

> bottled water, whatever seems to help. You don't have to do all

> these things, it is just a list of ideas to consider.

>

> Then add in Peptizyde at a 1/2 capsule at a couple meals for a

> couple days, and follow the same gradual incremental dosing as given

> previously for the Zyme Prime. Proteases such as Peptizyde are much

> more likely to cause die-off of pathogens, so if you see more die-

> off or other adjustments with Peptizyde, this is common and to be

> expected. Strong proteases do more direct healing work, so the

> adjustments might be more noticeable. After you are adjusted up to

> one Peptizyde and one Zyme Prime per meals and major snacks, then

> start the between meal yeast program.

>

> At this point, I would start the Threelac with the gradual dosing if

> you can open capsules with the Threelac. If note, start with one a

> day, then 2 a day until you get to whatever dosing is recommended

> for you. This can also cause noticeble die-off.

>

> The probiotics and enzymes and any yeast-killer all seem to have a

> synergistic effect on yeast and work well together. However, if you

> start them all at the same time, the die-off can be majorly

> overwhelming, so this gradual stepping was started just to make it

> more tolerable (particularly for kids who don't really understand

> why they are feeling miserable).

>

> After you get the Threelac to the right dose and all is tolerated,

> add in No-Fenol between meals. No-Fenol contains enzymes that seem

> particularly helpful with yeast. This was discovered by accident but

> it turns out that such enzymes were known to help with yeast. There

> are a few other enzyme products with similar enzymes in them just

> for yeast too.

>

> Start the No-Fenol between meals at 1/4 a capsule. This ones starts

> lower because the it has a record of being particularly 'potent' on

> yeast. Increase slowly to 1/2 capsule and then 1 full capsule

> between meals 2-3 times a day. Mid-morning, mid-afternoon, and at

> bedtime seem to work well.

>

> When you get up to 1 capsule at these times, then add in a yeast

> killer such as oregano (oregacyn is good) or grapefruit seed extract

> between meals WITH the No-Fenol. Again, this has a history of being

> highly synergistic and effective on yeast.

>

> The entire process may take a few weeks. If you want to go faster,

> certainly it is fine to try it. But this is a more conservative

> method designed to help make die-off tolerable when it is more

> dreadful.

>

> I tend to favor doing more enzymes to help fight pathogens as they

> seem very safe and 'natural' and help as well as anything else. So

> you can go up to many enzymes between meals if you want. Adding in a

> Peptizyde with the No-Fenol and yeast killer between meals would be

> something to consider.

>

>>>>> I have read the info @ http://www.enzymestuff.com (GREAT site!)

> which led me here.

>

> Thanks!

> .

_jason_

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