calcium supplement question

February 20, 2004

I just started my son on Kirkmans calcium w/vit D because he gets

NONE pretty much off of the few things he'll eat. My question is if

there are other supplements needed to give at the same time to make

it work correctly. He's taking the liquid SNT and DMG...but that's

it other than just having started dig. enzymes.

Thanks for any help.

February 20, 2004

> I just started my son on Kirkmans calcium w/vit D because he gets

> NONE pretty much off of the few things he'll eat. My question is

if

> there are other supplements needed to give at the same time to make

> it work correctly.

Calcium needs magnesium for proper absorption.

Dana

February 21, 2004

Yes, like Dana said your son needs magnesium as well.

From what I remember you need to take calcium and magnesium in a 2:1

ratio.

-- In , " neonnerd2003 "

<mncounts89@h...> wrote:

> I just started my son on Kirkmans calcium w/vit D because he gets

> NONE pretty much off of the few things he'll eat. My question is

if

> there are other supplements needed to give at the same time to

make

> it work correctly. He's taking the liquid SNT and DMG...but

that's

> it other than just having started dig. enzymes.

> Thanks for any help.

February 21, 2004

Actually, 2:1 is just the most common ratio of cal/mag products. Magnesium

is needed for, and yet paradoxically also blocks calcium absorption,. Most

cal/mag products are designed that way so that all of the mag and half the

cal gets in. If you're really trying to optimize *calcium* absorption, you

want to give lots of calcium with just a little magnesium and nothing else

with it, on an empty stomach right before bed (night, when the body is in a

non-digesting rest state for a long period, is the optimum time for

minerals to soak in). Give more magnesium at a different time during the

day, so the mag has its chance to get in. The problem is that magnesium is

needed for calcium to absorb, but it also *blocks* calcium absorption in

larger quantities.

It's a tricky dance, and yet calcium is so essential, it's worth going

through all the backflips to get it in.

Terri

At 12:03 AM 2/21/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>Yes, like Dana said your son needs magnesium as well.

> >From what I remember you need to take calcium and magnesium in a 2:1

>ratio.

>

> -- In , " neonnerd2003 "

><mncounts89@h...> wrote:

> > I just started my son on Kirkmans calcium w/vit D because he gets

> > NONE pretty much off of the few things he'll eat. My question is

>if

> > there are other supplements needed to give at the same time to

>make

> > it work correctly. He's taking the liquid SNT and DMG...but

>that's

> > it other than just having started dig. enzymes.

> > Thanks for any help.

>

February 21, 2004

---Thank you SO much! I wondered about how/when to give it as

well...so the tips on that are appreciated.

In , Terri <terri@m...> wrote:

> Actually, 2:1 is just the most common ratio of cal/mag products.

Magnesium

> is needed for, and yet paradoxically also blocks calcium

absorption,. Most

> cal/mag products are designed that way so that all of the mag and

half the

> cal gets in. If you're really trying to optimize *calcium*

absorption, you

> want to give lots of calcium with just a little magnesium and

nothing else

> with it, on an empty stomach right before bed (night, when the body

is in a

> non-digesting rest state for a long period, is the optimum time for

> minerals to soak in). Give more magnesium at a different time

during the

> day, so the mag has its chance to get in. The problem is that

magnesium is

> needed for calcium to absorb, but it also *blocks* calcium

absorption in

> larger quantities.

>

> It's a tricky dance, and yet calcium is so essential, it's worth

going

> through all the backflips to get it in.

> Terri

>

> At 12:03 AM 2/21/2004 +0000, you wrote:

> >Yes, like Dana said your son needs magnesium as well.

> > >From what I remember you need to take calcium and magnesium in a

2:1

> >ratio.

> >

> > -- In , " neonnerd2003 "

> ><mncounts89@h...> wrote:

> > > I just started my son on Kirkmans calcium w/vit D because he

gets

> > > NONE pretty much off of the few things he'll eat. My question

is

> >if

> > > there are other supplements needed to give at the same time to

> >make

> > > it work correctly. He's taking the liquid SNT and DMG...but

> >that's

> > > it other than just having started dig. enzymes.

> > > Thanks for any help.

> >

January 8, 2005

i'm waiting to get a new trial size of Brainchild ultra sensitive

formula since my 4 yo AS son could not tolerate the spectrum support

II. in the meantime, we've started the GFCF diet. i want to give him

some vitamins so we temporarily returned to Animal Planet multis.

okay. now i want to give him some calcium supplements. how much

calcium? i've heard about 800 mg a day would be okay. i have Nature's

Basics, chewable calcium, no startch, artificial colors, flavors,

preservatives, corn, soy, yeast, wheat, grain, egg, or mild products.

each tablet is: 250 mg calcium with magnesium (100 mg) vitamine D (50

IU) silicon (1 mg), and Boron (100 mcg).

how does this sound?

thank you so much!

also, does anyone have a suggestion for dairy free soy free margarine?

January 9, 2005

> okay. now i want to give him some calcium supplements. how much

> calcium? i've heard about 800 mg a day would be okay.

That is USRDA for most kids.

i have Nature's

> Basics, chewable calcium, no startch, artificial colors, flavors,

> preservatives, corn, soy, yeast, wheat, grain, egg, or mild products.

> each tablet is: 250 mg calcium with magnesium (100 mg) vitamine D (50

> IU) silicon (1 mg), and Boron (100 mcg).

>

> how does this sound?

Sounds okay. You would need to give 3-4 per day tho. And you might

need to give extra magnesium.

Dana

March 6, 2010

There is enough trace in that supplement to cause a reaction to those

sensitive to milk or soy. We had to toss that one out. Maybe try Kirkman's

if you need chewable?

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Subject: [ ] Calcium Supplement Question

Our grandson is on the GFCF diet. He needs a Calcium supplement. We found

one called, " Animal Parade, chewables. But it states on the back, " Allergen

Sensitive Indivduals: contains soy and trace amounts of sasein (milk

derivative) So my question is...is this safe for him? What else is Aval?

Thanks,

Pamie

March 6, 2010

I just started my son on powder Calcium mix it in the drink with Stevia, Now

brand, does have anything in it that's not allowed on a diet,

Natalia

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[ ] Calcium Supplement Question

Our grandson is on the GFCF diet. He needs a Calcium supplement. We found one

called, " Animal Parade, chewables. But it states on the back, " Allergen

Sensitive Indivduals: contains soy and trace amounts of sasein (milk derivative)

So my question is...is this safe for him? What else is Aval?

Thanks,

Pamie

March 7, 2010

I've started with green drinks myself (recovering from recent breast cancer),

but was given pause by this:

Are you familiar with Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon? It's based on

Weston Price's findings (Weston Price foundation).

She says this:

Fresh vegetables, eaten with the right fats on a daily basis, are one of our

best protections against coronary heart disease and cancer.

While we recommend the inclusion of much raw food in the diet, some vegetables

are best eaten cooked. For example, cabbage, broccoli, and kale contain

chemicals that block the production of thyroid hormone. Beet greens, spinach

and chard contain oxalic acid that blocks calcium and iron absorption and

irritates the mouth and intestinal tract. Spinach and cabbage are popular salad

foods but should be eaten raw only occasionally.

What do you nutrition experts think of this?

Thanks,

>

> Pamie,

> In my knowledge, supplemental calcium is not always a good thing for ASD kids,

so be careful when supplementing this, if you decide to use it, watch closely

for adverse reactions/behaviors. I have never used supplemental calcium for my

5 yo boy, he's been on a restricted diet for 3 yrs now, his blood-serum calcium

levels are within appropriate range. I suggest you give lots of green juice (or

smoothies), kale, spinach, lettuce. Greens are incredibly high in calcium levels

and taste delicious combined with some fruit. (This was our

spinach-celery-pineapple juice week and he loves it). If tolerated, almond milk

is a good source of calcium too.

> Good luck!

> Isa

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>

> [ ] Calcium Supplement Question

>

> Our grandson is on the GFCF diet. He needs a Calcium supplement. We found one

called, " Animal Parade, chewables. But it states on the back, " Allergen

Sensitive Indivduals: contains soy and trace amounts of sasein (milk derivative)

So my question is...is this safe for him? What else is Aval?

>

> Thanks,

> Pamie

>

March 7, 2010

Cant speak to the thyroid issue, but can speak about oxalates. Spinach and chard

are very high oxalate. Milk Thistle is off the charts high. Soy, potatoes, sweet

potatoes and chocolate are also high, along with most nuts and legumes (makes

being GFCF a bit more challenging). Major cause of kidney stones. If you have

kidney disorders, gout, rheumatoid arthritis, or certain forms of chronic vulvar

pain (vulvodynia)then you need to be careful about your of oxalate intake.

Otherwise its not an issue if used in moderation.

Quite a few kids on the spectrum also have oxlate issues, including my son.

We've been on the Low Oxalate Diet for roughly 2 years.

Calcium Citrate actually helps bind these oxlates if you take it before meals

(magnesium citrate appears to do this as well). Vit K2 is also supposed to be

helpful.

Karla

> >

> > Pamie,

> > In my knowledge, supplemental calcium is not always a good thing for ASD

kids, so be careful when supplementing this, if you decide to use it, watch

closely for adverse reactions/behaviors. I have never used supplemental calcium

for my 5 yo boy, he's been on a restricted diet for 3 yrs now, his blood-serum

calcium levels are within appropriate range. I suggest you give lots of green

juice (or smoothies), kale, spinach, lettuce. Greens are incredibly high in

calcium levels and taste delicious combined with some fruit. (This was our

spinach-celery-pineapple juice week and he loves it). If tolerated, almond milk

is a good source of calcium too.

> > Good luck!

> > Isa

> > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

> >

> > [ ] Calcium Supplement Question

> >

> > Our grandson is on the GFCF diet. He needs a Calcium supplement. We found

one called, " Animal Parade, chewables. But it states on the back, " Allergen

Sensitive Indivduals: contains soy and trace amounts of sasein (milk derivative)

So my question is...is this safe for him? What else is Aval?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Pamie

> >

March 7, 2010

I am a believer in balance and rotation. I give greens raw and cooked, fruits

and veggs of all kind, when I give foods which are harder to digest (like

spinach soup) I give more enzymes than usual. I love Sally Fallon's book, it is

a wealth of knowledge. I ferment several things according to her advice: cabbage

juice, kombucha tea, kefir. I think if you do too much of one thing, whether it

is an amazing food or else, it will end up corrupting something in the body.

Unless a person has a clear bad reaction from a specific food, keeping a wide

variety of foods and ingredients on board has worked well for us so far.

Greetings,

Isa

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[ ] Calcium Supplement Question

>

> Our grandson is on the GFCF diet. He needs a Calcium supplement. We found one

called, " Animal Parade, chewables. But it states on the back, " Allergen

Sensitive Indivduals: contains soy and trace amounts of sasein (milk derivative)

So my question is...is this safe for him? What else is Aval?

>

> Thanks,

> Pamie

>

March 8, 2010

I'm not a nutrition expert , but I do think that the nourishing traditions

people are pretty careful with what they say. I've read other sources that

agree with them on this issue, that is, that the cooking of certain veg is much

better for us. There is cooked and there's cooked though. I don't think

boiling veg until they're unrecognizable is what the NT people mean :-) I know

that the NT diet also recommends " raw " food in the form of fermented foods like

sauerkraut, but these aren't meant to be in eaten in huge amounts.

Anita