Re: Bone infection

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I have personally used concentrated garlic capsules to cure two infections (plantars warts on the feet (viral) and a staph aureus finger infection).

The internet is full of recommendations on garlic and other herbs (goldenseal, echinacea, etc.) for infections You may want to research it.

My advice is to contact an experienced herbalist in your area after you research the idea of using herbs to help you heal. And of course speak with a doctor about antibiotic treament. Make sure both your doctor AND your herbalist know of how the other is treating you.

Keep in mind though that poor vascularity will affect antibiotic(and herbal) treatment of infections.

Hope things work out!

Ed

P.S.

Visualizing yourself healed has helped many people. You can imagine light going to the affected area or white cells mobilizing and destroying the infection, etc. You might want to swing by the library or go on the net and look up healing meditations/visualizations. If nothing else it can help relax you.

[Guest guest]

Lynn

I know some ins co will cover HBOT for bone infections. When I did the HBOT for

the lyme, there was a person in the chamber with me who had a bone infection

from some dental problems. Her ins was paying for it. Maybe it would help the

infection and lyme at the same time.

Lynn Olivier <lynn_olivier@...> wrote:

I was seen at - AutoImmune disease clinic two years ago and

they diagnosed a reimergent EBV and gave me FamVir and some expensive

B12 pills. I was able to get off the tetracycline I had been on since

1983 for severe Lyme symptoms that would recur within days of stopping

the tetracycline. The doctor at got very agitated in the

presence of my insurance case worker when I asked if the Lyme cold still

be active. She suddenly left the room and returned after talking to a

colleague so I did not return after the follow-up for the EBV treatment

despite still having other serious symptoms.

At least 5 years ago I picked up a staff infection that settled in the

bones of my face and has been periodically flaring up, causing sinus

symptoms, much pain, untouched teeth to split, need root canals and 4 of

them to be later pulled canals or, causing pain and even going septic. I

finally went to an ENT and the second visit he cultured it the first

week in January. So I have been on and off antibiotics for that too. The

infection does not show up on x-rays, it does not show up on a CT and it

does not show up in my blood except when I go septic. Since a culture

would not pick up Lyme I always wondered if it was late Lyme still since

they diagnosed syphilis in ancient South America by holes made in bone.

Since the end of November I have had continuous amoxicillin for 14 days,

augmentin for 20 days and I am going on my fifth week of clindimiacin

300 mg 4 times a day and a final root canal is scheduled after they

followed a tunnel from the last fistula on the upper gum back to the

other side of a tooth that was pulled in November after having a root

canal then later the gum opened up and the infection drilled out above

it. The tooth next to that one was pulled in late December 2002 and they

said that the infection had been eating at the bone for at least a year

then but they assumed it was probably a standard strep infection.. I

went to the University teaching clinic but the professor decided he

would pull the tooth and the impacted wisdom tooth behind it with

students observing because of the long standing infection and the size

of

the teeth making the possibility of damaging healthy teeth, sinuses or

even breaking the jaw a distinct possibility.

It is really hard not having a LLMD available to help figure out if my

Lyme is cured, dormant or still active. Vicodin is my friend but now I

only take it at night because I can't drive while on it and I have a

tendency to say or type whatever comes into my mind which even got me in

trouble online a couple times in the last couple months.

Two dentists my insurance company sent me to declined to do the root

canal I currently need. Two nights ago I could feel the infection

creeping into my glands on the left side of my face and tongue and

warned my Aunt I might need to go to the ER if it continued to spread

but I did get to sleep and when I woke up the infection had backed down

to the bone again.

Questions and/or comments can be directed to the list owner at

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Did the HBOT help your lyme. Is it a cure? Would you do it again?

It is so expensive that I am not going to do it if other things will

do the same thing.

Thanks

>

>

> I was seen at - AutoImmune disease clinic two years ago

and

> they diagnosed a reimergent EBV and gave me FamVir and some

expensive

> B12 pills. I was able to get off the tetracycline I had been on

since

> 1983 for severe Lyme symptoms that would recur within days of

stopping

> the tetracycline. The doctor at got very agitated in

the

> presence of my insurance case worker when I asked if the Lyme cold

still

> be active. She suddenly left the room and returned after talking to

a

> colleague so I did not return after the follow-up for the EBV

treatment

> despite still having other serious symptoms.

>

> At least 5 years ago I picked up a staff infection that settled in

the

> bones of my face and has been periodically flaring up, causing sinus

> symptoms, much pain, untouched teeth to split, need root canals and

4 of

> them to be later pulled canals or, causing pain and even going

septic. I

> finally went to an ENT and the second visit he cultured it the first

> week in January. So I have been on and off antibiotics for that

too. The

> infection does not show up on x-rays, it does not show up on a CT

and it

> does not show up in my blood except when I go septic. Since a

culture

> would not pick up Lyme I always wondered if it was late Lyme still

since

> they diagnosed syphilis in ancient South America by holes made in

bone.

>

> Since the end of November I have had continuous amoxicillin for 14

days,

> augmentin for 20 days and I am going on my fifth week of

clindimiacin

> 300 mg 4 times a day and a final root canal is scheduled after they

> followed a tunnel from the last fistula on the upper gum back to the

> other side of a tooth that was pulled in November after having a

root

> canal then later the gum opened up and the infection drilled out

above

> it. The tooth next to that one was pulled in late December 2002 and

they

> said that the infection had been eating at the bone for at least a

year

> then but they assumed it was probably a standard strep infection.. I

> went to the University teaching clinic but the professor decided he

> would pull the tooth and the impacted wisdom tooth behind it with

> students observing because of the long standing infection and the

size

> of

> the teeth making the possibility of damaging healthy teeth, sinuses

or

> even breaking the jaw a distinct possibility.

>

> It is really hard not having a LLMD available to help figure out if

my

> Lyme is cured, dormant or still active. Vicodin is my friend but

now I

> only take it at night because I can't drive while on it and I have a

> tendency to say or type whatever comes into my mind which even got

me in

> trouble online a couple times in the last couple months.

>

> Two dentists my insurance company sent me to declined to do the root

> canal I currently need. Two nights ago I could feel the infection

> creeping into my glands on the left side of my face and tongue and

> warned my Aunt I might need to go to the ER if it continued to

spread

> but I did get to sleep and when I woke up the infection had backed

down

> to the bone again.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Questions and/or comments can be directed to the list owner at Lyme-

Aid-Owner@Y...

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think the HBOT did/does help the lyme but it is not a cure. I go every two

wks for maintance dives. I don't know how, but this place is getting my ins. to

cover this. :-)

It really helps with my brain function and energy. I feel like I have been

" plugged back in " I am still not " normal " I have alot of neuro damage from the

lyme/co-infections. I had lyme for 25yrs before treatment

cactuskickers <jillallen@...> wrote:

Hi ,

Did the HBOT help your lyme. Is it a cure? Would you do it again?

It is so expensive that I am not going to do it if other things will

do the same thing.

Thanks

>

>

> I was seen at - AutoImmune disease clinic two years ago

and

> they diagnosed a reimergent EBV and gave me FamVir and some

expensive

> B12 pills. I was able to get off the tetracycline I had been on

since

> 1983 for severe Lyme symptoms that would recur within days of

stopping

> the tetracycline. The doctor at got very agitated in

the

> presence of my insurance case worker when I asked if the Lyme cold

still

> be active. She suddenly left the room and returned after talking to

a

> colleague so I did not return after the follow-up for the EBV

treatment

> despite still having other serious symptoms.

>

> At least 5 years ago I picked up a staff infection that settled in

the

> bones of my face and has been periodically flaring up, causing sinus

> symptoms, much pain, untouched teeth to split, need root canals and

4 of

> them to be later pulled canals or, causing pain and even going

septic. I

> finally went to an ENT and the second visit he cultured it the first

> week in January. So I have been on and off antibiotics for that

too. The

> infection does not show up on x-rays, it does not show up on a CT

and it

> does not show up in my blood except when I go septic. Since a

culture

> would not pick up Lyme I always wondered if it was late Lyme still

since

> they diagnosed syphilis in ancient South America by holes made in

bone.

>

> Since the end of November I have had continuous amoxicillin for 14

days,

> augmentin for 20 days and I am going on my fifth week of

clindimiacin

> 300 mg 4 times a day and a final root canal is scheduled after they

> followed a tunnel from the last fistula on the upper gum back to the

> other side of a tooth that was pulled in November after having a

root

> canal then later the gum opened up and the infection drilled out

above

> it. The tooth next to that one was pulled in late December 2002 and

they

> said that the infection had been eating at the bone for at least a

year

> then but they assumed it was probably a standard strep infection.. I

> went to the University teaching clinic but the professor decided he

> would pull the tooth and the impacted wisdom tooth behind it with

> students observing because of the long standing infection and the

size

> of

> the teeth making the possibility of damaging healthy teeth, sinuses

or

> even breaking the jaw a distinct possibility.

>

> It is really hard not having a LLMD available to help figure out if

my

> Lyme is cured, dormant or still active. Vicodin is my friend but

now I

> only take it at night because I can't drive while on it and I have a

> tendency to say or type whatever comes into my mind which even got

me in

> trouble online a couple times in the last couple months.

>

> Two dentists my insurance company sent me to declined to do the root

> canal I currently need. Two nights ago I could feel the infection

> creeping into my glands on the left side of my face and tongue and

> warned my Aunt I might need to go to the ER if it continued to

spread

> but I did get to sleep and when I woke up the infection had backed

down

> to the bone again.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Questions and/or comments can be directed to the list owner at Lyme-

Aid-Owner@Y...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

Thanks for your help,

Lois Bowen-AZ

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Lois-

Are you asking for curiosity or practical application ? I didn't know

that you were involved in running a chamber.

The protocol is different depending on which type of osteo you are

treating. Your medical professional should be able to establish what

you are treating and then decide on the protocol.

Otherwise look at the uhms for the research and traditionally accepted

methods.

Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

Director

South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

3 Professional Park Drive

Webster, Texas 77598

281.554.8848

" He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

Galen

[ ] Re: Bone Infection

Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

Thanks for your help,

Lois Bowen-AZ

LOIS BOWEN

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>

>

> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

prosper

you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

[

29:11]

>

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_.

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> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

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> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

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[Guest guest]

Hello Jay,

Your are right Jay, I am not involved in running a chamber. I am a mother

of a 26 yr old spastic cp quad. What I do though, is tell anyone and

everyone I can that might benefit from HBOT. If I can be a facilitator,

and help get some one into treatment that might help them, I do. I just

read a story in the local newspaper about a policeman that was injured on

the job about a year ago, when he was hit by a drunk driver. He has had

multiple surgerys, therapys, rods in his leg, and as the news paper said a

nagging bone infection. This policeman is having to fight to get his

pension. He was first only awarded only half of his pension, because of

the way the medical reports were interpreted. (that is another story). I

have been trying to get in touch with this man through the newspaper

reporter to give him some information about HBOT as a possible treatment.

(Since his Drs. haven't recommended it to him). So, I guess you could say,

I was asking out of curiosity. I try to be as informed as possible when I

talk to somebody. I would love to work at a chamber some day.

If you will indulge me, I have a nother story. Earlier this year, I saw a

story on the local news about a woman that has a 16 yr old daughter with

very bad seizures. The seizures started when she was 7 yrs. old. Over the

years the girl lost alot of her motor control. She could not talk,

difficulty walking, tube fed, and many seizures a day, despite all kinds of

seizure meds. I think I was instrumental in getting this girl into HBOT.

Today, she is eating by mouth, walking better, becoming more verble, and

best of all has only had 7 seizures since April and has had her meds

reduced. Her mom and I have become good friends now. The girl has just

finished 80 treatments.

I really appreciate your help and I learn alot from your post.

Thanks again,

Lois Bowen-AZ

(former Texan)

LOIS BOWEN

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> [Original Message]

> From: Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT <jay@...>

> <medicaid >

> Date: 9/1/2005 3:36:38 PM

> Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>

> Lois-

>

> Are you asking for curiosity or practical application ? I didn't know

> that you were involved in running a chamber.

>

> The protocol is different depending on which type of osteo you are

> treating. Your medical professional should be able to establish what

> you are treating and then decide on the protocol.

>

> Otherwise look at the uhms for the research and traditionally accepted

> methods.

>

>

>

> Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

> Director

> South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

> 3 Professional Park Drive

> Webster, Texas 77598

> 281.554.8848

> " He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

> Galen

>

[Guest guest]

Lois-

What you are describing sound like a straightforward chronic refractory

osteomyelitis which if one of the covered indications and therefore

should be paid by all insurance companies. The protocol which we use

here is 40 fsw or 2.21 ATA for 90 minutes. The total quantity can vary

from 20 (very rare) to 60+ (more common). Some patients require up to

100 for this condition. Fortunately HBOT is a non-invasive method to

deal with the osteomyelitis whereas typically the surgical approach

would be suggested by most practitioners.

Also, combining the use of proper antibiotics and HBOT is the correct

method of treating osteo. Here is where we see a wonderful synergistic

effect between the two.

Best of luck to your officer.

Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

Director

South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

3 Professional Park Drive

Webster, Texas 77598

281.554.8848

" He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

Galen

[ ] Re: Bone Infection

Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

Thanks for your help,

Lois Bowen-AZ

LOIS BOWEN

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>

> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

prosper

you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

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[Guest guest]

Good Morning Jay,

Thanks so much for your reply.

I am hoping I will be in touch with this officer very soon. This

information will be very helpful.

Most Drs. out here in the hot desert do not have a clue about the benefits

of HBOT.

Thanks again and have a good day.

Lois Bowen-AZ

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> [Original Message]

> From: Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT <jay@...>

> <medicaid >

> Date: 9/1/2005 5:53:17 PM

> Subject: RE: [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>

> Lois-

>

> What you are describing sound like a straightforward chronic refractory

> osteomyelitis which if one of the covered indications and therefore

> should be paid by all insurance companies. The protocol which we use

> here is 40 fsw or 2.21 ATA for 90 minutes. The total quantity can vary

> from 20 (very rare) to 60+ (more common). Some patients require up to

> 100 for this condition. Fortunately HBOT is a non-invasive method to

> deal with the osteomyelitis whereas typically the surgical approach

> would be suggested by most practitioners.

>

> Also, combining the use of proper antibiotics and HBOT is the correct

> method of treating osteo. Here is where we see a wonderful synergistic

> effect between the two.

>

> Best of luck to your officer.

>

>

>

> Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

> Director

> South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

> 3 Professional Park Drive

> Webster, Texas 77598

> 281.554.8848

> " He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

> Galen

>

>

> [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>

>

> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

> Thanks for your help,

> Lois Bowen-AZ

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jay,

Then how about protocol for brain injured child with osteomyelitis? Our

daughter Rosita is 8 yo, yet she heights 95 cms, weights 17 kgs.

So far we've done 155 sessions of HBOT for her brain injury (1.5 ATA, 1

hour). She is bone abnormality (bone within bone) osteopetrosis.

Literature says that it's highly possible for osteopetrosis to develop

osteomyelitis. This osteomyelitis happened in her upper front right gum

(maxilla).

Any input would be really appreciated.

Grace

[ ] Re: Bone Infection

Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

Thanks for your help,

Lois Bowen-AZ

LOIS BOWEN

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Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>

>

> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

prosper

you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

[

29:11]

>

_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

_.

> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

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> Is HBOT at your hospital?

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>

> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>

> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

medicaid/files/ ,

2/files/ and

http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>

> Download your state EPSDT program

http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

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programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>

> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

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[Guest guest]

Grace-

The treatment for osteomyelitis would be the same regardless of where

the infection is located. It is necessary to have a pre-existing

(documented) diagnosis of osteomyelitis before beginning treatment.

Talk to your practitioner where you are currently receiving treatment,

they should be able to help.

-Jay

Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

Director

South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

3 Professional Park Drive

Webster, Texas 77598

281.554.8848

" He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

Galen

[ ] Re: Bone Infection

Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

Thanks for your help,

Lois Bowen-AZ

LOIS BOWEN

trojan@...

Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>

>

> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

prosper

you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

[

29:11]

>

_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

_.

> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>

> Is HBOT at your hospital?

http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>

> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>

> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

medicaid/files/ ,

2/files/ and

http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>

> Download your state EPSDT program

http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>

> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jay, thanks for the response. I guess you're prety occupied with victims

of Katrina nowadays.

We've gone through long way to diagnose whether it is osteomyelitis or not.

MS CT Scan with few times reconstructed different slices, multiple fistles

on her right maxilla, going to orthopedic, 2 mouth surgeon, many pediatrics,

2 radiologist to confirm her MSCT result....(pheww...) The mouth surgeon

advised us to have surgery to remove the infected bone from Rosita's

maxilla. When we consulted her orthopedic (Rosita is congenitally

osteopetrosis - bone within bone resulted in her bone to be easy to get

fracture) he advised us to if possible not go for surgery as removal of the

infected bone might cause other bone to also be fractured. So here we are

now, in the process of giving 2 weeks antibiotics to kill both aerob and

anaerob bacteria. I guess the result will be optimized by having HBOT at

the same time. Rosita is quite sensitive to anesthesia, usually recovered

unsmoothly pasca surgery.

Too bad that doctors here are not really familiar with HBOT. While our HBOT

doctors will surely knows very well about the protocol for osteomyelitis,

anyway they are not really familiar with protocol for osteomyelitis for

BRAIN INJURED CHILD. So far we've done 155 sessions of HBOT protocol for

her brain injury (she is 8, blind, non verbal, hydrocephalus, VP shunt

implant, very small regarding her peers, 90 cms, weight 17 kgs) with 1.5 ATA

for 60 mins per sessions. Then if we want to cure this osteomyelitis with

combination of antibiotics and HBOT, what protocol do you think will be safe

for her?

Sorry to bother you with this complex question. Hope to hear from you.

Grace

[ ] Re: Bone Infection

Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

Thanks for your help,

Lois Bowen-AZ

LOIS BOWEN

trojan@...

Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>

>

> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

prosper

you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

[

29:11]

[Guest guest]

Dear Grace,

patients with such a double diagnosis should not be treated

with the protocol for osteomyelitis.

It will create problems in the sensitized brain, most probably.

What you can do is

treat with the highest tolerable pressure/concentration,

together with antibiotics and systemic enzymes (Wobenzym N, for instance)

to foster the penetration of the antibiotic in the infected site, and for

anti-inflammation.

Other biological antinflamm remedies may be used, but .

Selamat tinggal.

Ignacio

Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

Buenos Aires, Argentina

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:17:35 -0300, Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

<jay@...> wrote:

> Grace-

>

> The treatment for osteomyelitis would be the same regardless of where

> the infection is located. It is necessary to have a pre-existing

> (documented) diagnosis of osteomyelitis before beginning treatment.

> Talk to your practitioner where you are currently receiving treatment,

> they should be able to help.

>

> -Jay

>

>

> Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

> Director

> South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

> 3 Professional Park Drive

> Webster, Texas 77598

> 281.554.8848

> " He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

> Galen

>

> [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>

>

> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

> Thanks for your help,

> Lois Bowen-AZ

>

>

> LOIS BOWEN

> trojan@...

> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>>

>>

>> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

> prosper

> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

> [

> 29:11]

>>

> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

> _.

>> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>>

>> Is HBOT at your hospital?

> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>>

>> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>>

>> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

> medicaid/files/ ,

> 2/files/ and

> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>>

>> Download your state EPSDT program

> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

> programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>>

>> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>>

>> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

> Subscribe

> to by sending a blank email to

> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>>

[Guest guest]

There is a long history (over 200 years) of homeopathy being used

successfully in bone infections. Remedies are manufactured under the

direction of the FDA and do not interfere with conventional medicine. To

find a practitioner, put National Center for Homeopathy in your search

engine.

[ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>

>>

>> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

>> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

>> Thanks for your help,

>> Lois Bowen-AZ

>>

>>

>> LOIS BOWEN

>> trojan@...

>> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>>>

>>>

>>> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

>> prosper

>> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

>> [

>> 29:11]

>>>

>> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>> _.

>>> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

>> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>>>

>>> Is HBOT at your hospital?

>> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>>>

>>> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>>>

>>> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

>> medicaid/files/ ,

>> 2/files/ and

>> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>>>

>>> Download your state EPSDT program

>> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

>> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>> programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>>>

>>> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>>>

>>> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

>> Subscribe

>> to by sending a blank email to

>> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>>>

[Guest guest]

....but...they may be difficult to get in Malaysia.

Complex homeopathic remedies from Germany or the US

may be of use, if an able homeopathic practitioner

were unavailable.

Ignacio

PS: sorry for the divided response.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:44:22 -0300, Ignacio Fojgel, M.D.

<ignacio@...> wrote:

>

> Dear Grace,

> patients with such a double diagnosis should not be treated

> with the protocol for osteomyelitis.

> It will create problems in the sensitized brain, most probably.

> What you can do is

> treat with the highest tolerable pressure/concentration,

> together with antibiotics and systemic enzymes (Wobenzym N, for

> instance)

> to foster the penetration of the antibiotic in the infected site, and for

> anti-inflammation.

> Other biological antinflamm remedies may be used, but .

> Selamat tinggal.

> Ignacio

> Ignacio Fojgel,M.D.

> Buenos Aires, Argentina

>

>

>

> On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:17:35 -0300, Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

> <jay@...> wrote:

>

>> Grace-

>>

>> The treatment for osteomyelitis would be the same regardless of where

>> the infection is located. It is necessary to have a pre-existing

>> (documented) diagnosis of osteomyelitis before beginning treatment.

>> Talk to your practitioner where you are currently receiving treatment,

>> they should be able to help.

>>

>> -Jay

>>

>>

>> Jay A Rain, DMT, CHT

>> Director

>> South Coast Hyperbaric Medicine & Wound Care Center

>> 3 Professional Park Drive

>> Webster, Texas 77598

>> 281.554.8848

>> " He Heals most Successfully those in which he has the most confidence " -

>> Galen

>>

>> [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>

>>

>> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

>> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

>> Thanks for your help,

>> Lois Bowen-AZ

>>

>>

>> LOIS BOWEN

>> trojan@...

>> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>>>

>>>

>>> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

>> prosper

>> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

>> [

>> 29:11]

>>>

>> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>> _.

>>> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

>> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>>>

>>> Is HBOT at your hospital?

>> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>>>

>>> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>>>

>>> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

>> medicaid/files/ ,

>> 2/files/ and

>> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>>>

>>> Download your state EPSDT program

>> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

>> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>> programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>>>

>>> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>>>

>>> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

>> Subscribe

>> to by sending a blank email to

>> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>>>

[Guest guest]

Good point. I did a search using " Malaysia homeopathy " .

Here are some links on homeopathy in Malaysia.

Extensive links, including a homeopathic hospital:

http://drnikomar.tripod.com/

List of lecturers:

http://www.geocities.com/fakulti/lecturer.htm

History of homeopathy in Malaysia:

http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/malaysia.html

Information in the language of Malaysia:

http://www.geocities.com/homeolibrary2/MHCL.htm

http://fullspeed.to/homeo

http://buletin-homeopathy.xaper.com/

Annual conference:

http://www.homeoinfo.com/02_history/countries/malaysia.php

International conference, September 2005:

http://rimacmalaysia.tripod.com/ichc2005/

Finding a practitioner:

http://www.homeopathyhome.com/directory/countries/malaysia.shtml

[ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>>

>>>

>>> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

>>> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

>>> Thanks for your help,

>>> Lois Bowen-AZ

>>>

>>>

>>> LOIS BOWEN

>>> trojan@...

>>> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

>>> prosper

>>> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

>>> [

>>> 29:11]

>>>>

>>> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>>> _.

>>>> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

>>> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>>>>

>>>> Is HBOT at your hospital?

>>> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>>>>

>>>> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>>>>

>>>> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

>>> medicaid/files/ ,

>>> 2/files/ and

>>> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>>>>

>>>> Download your state EPSDT program

>>> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

>>> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>>> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>>> programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>>>>

>>>> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>>>>

>>>> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

>>> Subscribe

>>> to by sending a blank email to

>>> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thanks for all your response. Anyway Ignacio and Barb, I live in Indonesia.

Perhaps that makes more difficult to find homeopathy. Is there any certain

brand of homeopathy that you suggest, along with the name of the

ingredients?

I don't understand what you mean by " systemic enzymes (Wobenzym N, for

instance) to foster the penetration of the antibiotic in the infected site,

and for anti-inflammation " . We've been using enzymes for her digestion so

far, I don't understand what you mean by systemic enzymes. Could you

enlighten me on that?

What is the different with biological anti-inflammation remedies?

Grace

Re: [ ] Re: Bone Infection

Good point. I did a search using " Malaysia homeopathy " .

Here are some links on homeopathy in Malaysia.

Extensive links, including a homeopathic hospital:

http://drnikomar.tripod.com/

List of lecturers:

http://www.geocities.com/fakulti/lecturer.htm

History of homeopathy in Malaysia:

http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/malaysia.html

Information in the language of Malaysia:

http://www.geocities.com/homeolibrary2/MHCL.htm

http://fullspeed.to/homeo

http://buletin-homeopathy.xaper.com/

Annual conference:

http://www.homeoinfo.com/02_history/countries/malaysia.php

International conference, September 2005:

http://rimacmalaysia.tripod.com/ichc2005/

Finding a practitioner:

http://www.homeopathyhome.com/directory/countries/malaysia.shtml

[ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>>

>>>

>>> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

>>> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro protochol.

>>> Thanks for your help,

>>> Lois Bowen-AZ

>>>

>>>

>>> LOIS BOWEN

>>> trojan@...

>>> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

>>> prosper

>>> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

>>> [

>>> 29:11]

>>>>

>>> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>>> _.

>>>> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

>>> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>>>>

>>>> Is HBOT at your hospital?

>>> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>>>>

>>>> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>>>>

>>>> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

>>> medicaid/files/ ,

>>> 2/files/ and

>>> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>>>>

>>>> Download your state EPSDT program

>>> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the

>>> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>>> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>>> programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>>>>

>>>> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>>>>

>>>> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

>>> Subscribe

>>> to by sending a blank email to

>>> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, Grace. I forgot.

So much time,

and bahasa2 are similar,

that is why...

I would suggest -Heel from Germany or the US,

and BHI, from the US.

Systemic enzymes are also oral, but their effect is systemic (whole body)

They are enteric-coated, so they are not inactivated by the gastric acids.

The tablets only open in the thin bowel, where the enzymes are absorbed

into the blood.

Their effect is anti-inflammatory, anti-viral and against immune complexes.

Antibiotics can penetrate deeper into the infected site, because of the

anti-

inflamm properties of these enzymes. MS is one of the indications,

so the effect in neurological conditions is known.

By biological anti-inflamm remedies I mean complex homeopathic formulas,

like Traumeel, BHI-Injury,

OsteoHeel, BHI-Bone, etc.

They promote a modification of the biological response by informing the

body,

not by a pharmacological effect.

Again, sorry for moving you to the peninsula.

Ignacio

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 04:24:02 -0300, Grace Pelawi <mathilda@...>

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Thanks for all your response. Anyway Ignacio and Barb, I live in

> Indonesia.

> Perhaps that makes more difficult to find homeopathy. Is there any

> certain

> brand of homeopathy that you suggest, along with the name of the

> ingredients?

>

> I don't understand what you mean by " systemic enzymes (Wobenzym N, for

> instance) to foster the penetration of the antibiotic in the infected

> site,

> and for anti-inflammation " . We've been using enzymes for her digestion

> so

> far, I don't understand what you mean by systemic enzymes. Could you

> enlighten me on that?

>

> What is the different with biological anti-inflammation remedies?

>

> Grace

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>

> Good point. I did a search using " Malaysia homeopathy " .

> Here are some links on homeopathy in Malaysia.

>

> Extensive links, including a homeopathic hospital:

> http://drnikomar.tripod.com/

>

> List of lecturers:

> http://www.geocities.com/fakulti/lecturer.htm

>

> History of homeopathy in Malaysia:

> http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/malaysia.html

>

> Information in the language of Malaysia:

> http://www.geocities.com/homeolibrary2/MHCL.htm

> http://fullspeed.to/homeo

> http://buletin-homeopathy.xaper.com/

>

> Annual conference:

> http://www.homeoinfo.com/02_history/countries/malaysia.php

>

> International conference, September 2005:

> http://rimacmalaysia.tripod.com/ichc2005/

>

> Finding a practitioner:

> http://www.homeopathyhome.com/directory/countries/malaysia.shtml

>

> [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

>>>> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro

>>>> protochol.

>>>> Thanks for your help,

>>>> Lois Bowen-AZ

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LOIS BOWEN

>>>> trojan@...

>>>> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

>>>> prosper

>>>> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

>>>> [

>>>> 29:11]

>>>>>

>>>> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>>>> _.

>>>>> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

>>>> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>>>>>

>>>>> Is HBOT at your hospital?

>>>> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>>>>>

>>>>> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>>>>>

>>>>> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

>>>> medicaid/files/ ,

>>>> 2/files/ and

>>>> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>>>>>

>>>>> Download your state EPSDT program

>>>> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on

>>>> the

>>>> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>>>> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>>>> programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>>>>>

>>>>> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>>>>>

>>>>> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

>>>> Subscribe

>>>> to by sending a blank email to

>>>> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ignacio, your 'bahasa' is so good. No problema with moving me to

peninsula, we're neighbours anyway...

You mentioned, -Heel from Germany or the US, and BHI, from the US.

How should I order them? Is there any website on them?

And how about systemic enzymes, is there any name of the ingredients?

Grace

Re: [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>

> Good point. I did a search using " Malaysia homeopathy " .

> Here are some links on homeopathy in Malaysia.

>

> Extensive links, including a homeopathic hospital:

> http://drnikomar.tripod.com/

>

> List of lecturers:

> http://www.geocities.com/fakulti/lecturer.htm

>

> History of homeopathy in Malaysia:

> http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/malaysia.html

>

> Information in the language of Malaysia:

> http://www.geocities.com/homeolibrary2/MHCL.htm

> http://fullspeed.to/homeo

> http://buletin-homeopathy.xaper.com/

>

> Annual conference:

> http://www.homeoinfo.com/02_history/countries/malaysia.php

>

> International conference, September 2005:

> http://rimacmalaysia.tripod.com/ichc2005/

>

> Finding a practitioner:

> http://www.homeopathyhome.com/directory/countries/malaysia.shtml

>

> [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

>>>> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro

>>>> protochol.

>>>> Thanks for your help,

>>>> Lois Bowen-AZ

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LOIS BOWEN

>>>> trojan@...

>>>> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

>>>> prosper

>>>> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

>>>> [

>>>> 29:11]

>>>>>

>>>>

_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>>>> _.

>>>>> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

>>>> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>>>>>

>>>>> Is HBOT at your hospital?

>>>> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>>>>>

>>>>> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>>>>>

>>>>> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

>>>> medicaid/files/ ,

>>>> 2/files/ and

>>>> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>>>>>

>>>>> Download your state EPSDT program

>>>> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on

>>>> the

>>>> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>>>> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>>>> programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>>>>>

>>>>> Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>>>>>

>>>>> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

>>>> Subscribe

>>>> to by sending a blank email to

>>>> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

In the US, the main manufacturing companies for homeopathy are Boiron

(French company, very large), Standard Pharmacy, Boericke & Tafel, and

Washington Homeopathics. You can also purchase from Ainsworth, Helios and

, three companies in England. I am not familiar with the use of

combinations - as my training and experience is in choosing/using one remedy

at a time - the so called " classical method " . Homeopathy is used around the

world, with identical remedies (using Latin names) and manufacturing, since

the method was set out in 1810 by Hahnemann. Most companies ship

around the world.

Best to buy a beginner book to learn a little about the system prior to

connecting with a practitioner if that is possible - since the concepts and

indications are very unlike conventional " allopathic " medicine. Two large

book distributors in America are " The Minimum Price " and " Homeopathic

Educational Services " . They both have beginner sections in their book

catalogue. There are thousands of books on this subject so some guidance

through the catalogue descriptions is good.

I looked for links using " Indonesia homeopathy " and " Indonesia homoeopathy "

as it is spelled both ways. Many links were in languages other than English,

especially German! Also, I am not good on geography, so perhaps would not

recognize nearby locations. Recommend that you search and sift through -

hoping something is close to you. There is a clinic in Bali - but I looked

on the map and Indonesia is vast - not sure what would be convenient to you

and could not find a general list of practitioners.

Re: [ ] Re: Bone Infection

> Sorry, Grace. I forgot.

> So much time,

> and bahasa2 are similar,

> that is why...

>

> I would suggest -Heel from Germany or the US,

> and BHI, from the US.

> Systemic enzymes are also oral, but their effect is systemic (whole body)

> They are enteric-coated, so they are not inactivated by the gastric acids.

> The tablets only open in the thin bowel, where the enzymes are absorbed

> into the blood.

[Guest guest]

Dear Grace,

-Heel and BHI (sister companies) have a site:

www.heelbhi.com

The Practitioner´s handbook -to download- is on

http://www.heelbhi.com/prac_handbook.html

When you determine which one you want, you could either google the names

and choose a distributor, or have your practitioner set an account up with

them.

http://www.heelbhi.com/prac_setting_up_account.html

or a personal account - OTC remedies, only-

http://www.heelbhi.com/retail_current_promotions.html

Wobenzym N is made by Mucos-Pharma (Germany)and Naturally-Marlyn (US).

Components: Trypsin,Chemotrypsin, Rutin, Papain, Bromelain, enteric-coated.

Several distributors offer the 800-tablets bottle at less than $100, in

the US.

I hope that this may be of help.

Ignacio

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:27:43 -0300, Grace Pelawi <mathilda@...>

wrote:

> Hi Ignacio, your 'bahasa' is so good. No problema with moving me to

> peninsula, we're neighbours anyway...

>

> You mentioned, -Heel from Germany or the US, and BHI, from the US.

> How should I order them? Is there any website on them?

>

> And how about systemic enzymes, is there any name of the ingredients?

>

> Grace

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>

>> Good point. I did a search using " Malaysia homeopathy " .

>> Here are some links on homeopathy in Malaysia.

>>

>> Extensive links, including a homeopathic hospital:

>> http://drnikomar.tripod.com/

>>

>> List of lecturers:

>> http://www.geocities.com/fakulti/lecturer.htm

>>

>> History of homeopathy in Malaysia:

>> http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/malaysia.html

>>

>> Information in the language of Malaysia:

>> http://www.geocities.com/homeolibrary2/MHCL.htm

>> http://fullspeed.to/homeo

>> http://buletin-homeopathy.xaper.com/

>>

>> Annual conference:

>> http://www.homeoinfo.com/02_history/countries/malaysia.php

>>

>> International conference, September 2005:

>> http://rimacmalaysia.tripod.com/ichc2005/

>>

>> Finding a practitioner:

>> http://www.homeopathyhome.com/directory/countries/malaysia.shtml

>>

>> [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

>>>>> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro

>>>>> protochol.

>>>>> Thanks for your help,

>>>>> Lois Bowen-AZ

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> LOIS BOWEN

>>>>> trojan@...

>>>>> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

>>>>> prosper

>>>>> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

>>>>> [

>>>>> 29:11]

>>>>>>

>>>>>

> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>>>>> _.

>>>>>> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

>>>>> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Is HBOT at your hospital?

>>>>> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>>>>>>

>>>>>> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

>>>>> medicaid/files/ ,

>>>>> 2/files/ and

>>>>> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Download your state EPSDT program

>>>>> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on

>>>>> the

>>>>> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>>>>> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>>>>> programs:

>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Find a hyperbaric clinic

>>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>>>>>>

>>>>>> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

>>>>> Subscribe

>>>>> to by sending a blank email to

>>>>> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Ignacio, thanks. I'll look for this site.

By the way, do you have any suggested ATA concerning for Rosita

osteomyelitis and brain injury? Sorry to 'insist' you to answer this

question.

Thanks

Grace

Re: [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>

>> Good point. I did a search using " Malaysia homeopathy " .

>> Here are some links on homeopathy in Malaysia.

>>

>> Extensive links, including a homeopathic hospital:

>> http://drnikomar.tripod.com/

>>

>> List of lecturers:

>> http://www.geocities.com/fakulti/lecturer.htm

>>

>> History of homeopathy in Malaysia:

>> http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/malaysia.html

>>

>> Information in the language of Malaysia:

>> http://www.geocities.com/homeolibrary2/MHCL.htm

>> http://fullspeed.to/homeo

>> http://buletin-homeopathy.xaper.com/

>>

>> Annual conference:

>> http://www.homeoinfo.com/02_history/countries/malaysia.php

>>

>> International conference, September 2005:

>> http://rimacmalaysia.tripod.com/ichc2005/

>>

>> Finding a practitioner:

>> http://www.homeopathyhome.com/directory/countries/malaysia.shtml

>>

>> [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

>>>>> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro

>>>>> protochol.

>>>>> Thanks for your help,

>>>>> Lois Bowen-AZ

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> LOIS BOWEN

>>>>> trojan@...

>>>>> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

>>>>> prosper

>>>>> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

>>>>> [

>>>>> 29:11]

>>>>>>

>>>>>

> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>>>>> _.

>>>>>> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

>>>>>

http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Is HBOT at your hospital?

>>>>> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>>>>>>

>>>>>> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

>>>>> medicaid/files/ ,

>>>>> 2/files/ and

>>>>> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Download your state EPSDT program

>>>>> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on

>>>>> the

>>>>> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>>>>> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>>>>> programs:

>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Find a hyperbaric clinic

>>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>>>>>>

>>>>>> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

>>>>> Subscribe

>>>>> to by sending a blank email to

>>>>> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ignacio, our doctor here suggests excelase as systemic enzyme;

components: sanaktase, proktase, olipase, meiselase, pankreatin. Can it

substitute Wobenzyme?

Right now I'm thinking how to get these systemic enzymes and anti

inflammation remedies as soon as possible as Rosita has been taking

antibiotics for 6 days, scheduled for 14 days. I guess the result will be

optimized when they are given at the same time, do you think so?

Grace

Re: [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>

>> Good point. I did a search using " Malaysia homeopathy " .

>> Here are some links on homeopathy in Malaysia.

>>

>> Extensive links, including a homeopathic hospital:

>> http://drnikomar.tripod.com/

>>

>> List of lecturers:

>> http://www.geocities.com/fakulti/lecturer.htm

>>

>> History of homeopathy in Malaysia:

>> http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/malaysia.html

>>

>> Information in the language of Malaysia:

>> http://www.geocities.com/homeolibrary2/MHCL.htm

>> http://fullspeed.to/homeo

>> http://buletin-homeopathy.xaper.com/

>>

>> Annual conference:

>> http://www.homeoinfo.com/02_history/countries/malaysia.php

>>

>> International conference, September 2005:

>> http://rimacmalaysia.tripod.com/ichc2005/

>>

>> Finding a practitioner:

>> http://www.homeopathyhome.com/directory/countries/malaysia.shtml

>>

>> [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

>>>>> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro

>>>>> protochol.

>>>>> Thanks for your help,

>>>>> Lois Bowen-AZ

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> LOIS BOWEN

>>>>> trojan@...

>>>>> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

>>>>> prosper

>>>>> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

>>>>> [

>>>>> 29:11]

>>>>>>

>>>>>

> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>>>>> _.

>>>>>> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

>>>>>

http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Is HBOT at your hospital?

>>>>> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>>>>>>

>>>>>> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

>>>>> medicaid/files/ ,

>>>>> 2/files/ and

>>>>> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Download your state EPSDT program

>>>>> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on

>>>>> the

>>>>> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>>>>> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>>>>> programs:

>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Find a hyperbaric clinic

>>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>>>>>>

>>>>>> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

>>>>> Subscribe

>>>>> to by sending a blank email to

>>>>> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Grace,

the formula seems to be, like Wobenzym, an anti-inflammatory enzymatic

cascade.

It might work the same, but I am only familiar with the German formula.

The very suggestion of your practitioner seem to support the concept,

and I have seen that in Indonesia is used as an antinflamm,

anti-rheumatic, etc.

more than a digestive remedy... similar usage.

The homeopathic and metabolic remedies are synergistic among them

and with HBO.

The combination may do a lot of good, sparing your girl

some of the expected huge antibiotics dosage.

By the way, I don´t know what they are using for the osteomyelitis,

but in my hospital here (pediatric) our vice-chief of Infectology

-strictly allopathically oriented, but a good infectologist, indeed.-

suggests Baktrim at high dosage (12mg/ kg every 12 hours), for such a case,

and agrees about adding Wobenzym N to the picture.

Baktrim has its indications, but it should not be used lightly.

Indeed, I don´t like this remedy too much, and would first try the others,

but sometimes...

Perhaps your doctor also agrees about this.

Wobenzym is prescription a remedy here,

but in the US it is classified as an OTC supplement.

Myself,I would also use it in combination with the other things,

at least for a while, and with low HBO.

Mudah-mudahan berjaya.

Ignacio

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 23:19:27 -0300, Grace Pelawi <mathilda@...>

wrote:

> Dear Ignacio, our doctor here suggests excelase as systemic enzyme;

> components: sanaktase, proktase, olipase, meiselase, pankreatin. Can it

> substitute Wobenzyme?

>

> Right now I'm thinking how to get these systemic enzymes and anti

> inflammation remedies as soon as possible as Rosita has been taking

> antibiotics for 6 days, scheduled for 14 days. I guess the result will be

> optimized when they are given at the same time, do you think so?

>

>

> Grace

> Re: [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>>

>>> Good point. I did a search using " Malaysia homeopathy " .

>>> Here are some links on homeopathy in Malaysia.

>>>

>>> Extensive links, including a homeopathic hospital:

>>> http://drnikomar.tripod.com/

>>>

>>> List of lecturers:

>>> http://www.geocities.com/fakulti/lecturer.htm

>>>

>>> History of homeopathy in Malaysia:

>>> http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/malaysia.html

>>>

>>> Information in the language of Malaysia:

>>> http://www.geocities.com/homeolibrary2/MHCL.htm

>>> http://fullspeed.to/homeo

>>> http://buletin-homeopathy.xaper.com/

>>>

>>> Annual conference:

>>> http://www.homeoinfo.com/02_history/countries/malaysia.php

>>>

>>> International conference, September 2005:

>>> http://rimacmalaysia.tripod.com/ichc2005/

>>>

>>> Finding a practitioner:

>>> http://www.homeopathyhome.com/directory/countries/malaysia.shtml

>>>

>>> [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

>>>>>> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro

>>>>>> protochol.

>>>>>> Thanks for your help,

>>>>>> Lois Bowen-AZ

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Grace,

I know that some practitioners will insist on

the osteomyelitis being treated first,

that is, disregarding the basic neurological condition.

After all, osteo is an accepted indication,

and neuro is not...

I believe that this would be a gross error.

To use the protocol for osteomyelitis in this case

would amount to treating a bone, and not a whole person

that is enduring a touchy pre-existing condition.

A neurologically affected patient would not tolerate

those concentrations, pressures and treatment spans.

As you will be using a multiple approach,

and there is a history of hyperbaric treatments

I would keep doing what you already know is not harmful:

1.5ATA/100%/60 minutes.

As for the adenoids, many homeopathic practitioners will tell you that

remedies like

Baryta Compositum, Barium Compositum and other single remedies

can make adenoids shrink.

Surgery cannot really cure the condition: oftentimes they return,

unfortunately.

Best regards.

Ignacio

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:49:25 -0300, Grace Pelawi <mathilda@...>

wrote:

> Ignacio, thanks. I'll look for this site.

>

> By the way, do you have any suggested ATA concerning for Rosita

> osteomyelitis and brain injury? Sorry to 'insist' you to answer this

> question.

>

> Thanks

>

> Grace

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>>

>>> Good point. I did a search using " Malaysia homeopathy " .

>>> Here are some links on homeopathy in Malaysia.

>>>

>>> Extensive links, including a homeopathic hospital:

>>> http://drnikomar.tripod.com/

>>>

>>> List of lecturers:

>>> http://www.geocities.com/fakulti/lecturer.htm

>>>

>>> History of homeopathy in Malaysia:

>>> http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeopathy_pro/malaysia.html

>>>

>>> Information in the language of Malaysia:

>>> http://www.geocities.com/homeolibrary2/MHCL.htm

>>> http://fullspeed.to/homeo

>>> http://buletin-homeopathy.xaper.com/

>>>

>>> Annual conference:

>>> http://www.homeoinfo.com/02_history/countries/malaysia.php

>>>

>>> International conference, September 2005:

>>> http://rimacmalaysia.tripod.com/ichc2005/

>>>

>>> Finding a practitioner:

>>> http://www.homeopathyhome.com/directory/countries/malaysia.shtml

>>>

>>> [ ] Re: Bone Infection

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Could someone let me know what the protochol is for treating a bone

>>>>>> infection. I'm assuming it would be different from the Neuro

>>>>>> protochol.

>>>>>> Thanks for your help,

>>>>>> Lois Bowen-AZ

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LOIS BOWEN

>>>>>> trojan@...

>>>>>> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> " I know the plans I have for you, " declares the Lord, " plans to

>>>>>> prosper

>>>>>> you and not to harm you, plans to give you a future and a hope. "

>>>>>> [

>>>>>> 29:11]

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>> _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

>>>>>> _.

>>>>>>> Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association

>>>>>>

> http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Is HBOT at your hospital?

>>>>>> http://apps.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/directories/index.cfm

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy

>>>>>> medicaid/files/ ,

>>>>>> 2/files/ and

>>>>>> http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Download your state EPSDT program

>>>>>> http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on

>>>>>> the

>>>>>> word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites

>>>>>> http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver

>>>>>> programs:

>>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Find a hyperbaric clinic

>>>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm,

>>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm,

>>>>>> http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches.

>>>>>> Subscribe

>>>>>> to by sending a blank email to

>>>>>> mailto:medicaid-subscribe

>>>>>>>