Re: New and need help interpreting lab report

April 8, 2006

Connie,

If the report isn't a Doctor's Data one, we may not be able to help

you as much as we'd like. However, there is a place in the files

section for uploading these sorts of things. Or, you can type out the

results as best you can.

Best wishes,

Anita

>

> Hi, I'm new and just got DS7's Trace Hair analysis back and I am

quite

> alarmed. The explanation says that he is under considerable physical

> or emotional stress. If I can scan this and post it in the files or

> upload it to a web site, is there someone who can help me

understand

> this?

>

> My son is 7 and has SID.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Connie

>

April 8, 2006

It's from Trace elements. I was wondering if these were age adjusted

reference ranges or not. The report though does refer to him as " this

child. " It describes him as a slow metabolizer.

For reference, he and I both have 2 celiac genes. He has been gluten

and casein free except for our Mc's and other mistakes for 3

years. I do have full blown Celiac disease (autoimmune gluten

intolerance) and Hashimoto's hypothyroidism (autoimmune hypothyroidism).

Here are the problems:

Sodium levels and Potassium levels go off the chart high.

Sodium - 382, reference range - 4-36

Potassium - 121, reference range - 2-24

Ca - 37, reference range - 22-97

Mg - 4.1, reference range - 2.0-11.0

Toxic elements, All were in the normal range according to the lab

Arsenic is 0.017, reference range - 0-0.020 (so hi normal)

Mercury was 0.08, reference range - 0-0.18

Significant ratios

Ca/K .31 (Says this is low)

Na/Mg 11.82 (off the chart high)

The explanation part says this:

Both Sodium and Potassium are markedly elevated above normal. Na and K

are affected by the adrenal glands. When elevated, these levels are

often indicative of the body's adrenal cortical response to a stressor.

In the slow metabolizer (type #4), this profile is reflective of the

body's response to a considerable stress (physical or emotional).

Next Paragraphs says again Na retention can be from emotional or

physical stress.

Factors that may contribute to Na retention:

high sodium intake

toxic metal accumulation or elimination

inflammatory conditions

biological stress response

Rubidium levels were high. It's a non toxic element assoc with lithium.

frequently found with elevated K.

Low Ca/K ratio:

high potassium relative to calcium in indicative of elevated thyroid

function. This profile is often the result of the body's response to an

acute stress episode. This is not uncommon in this metabolic subtype and

is usually only temporary.

High Na/Mg ratio:

When sodium is high relative to Magnesium, there is frequently an

increase in magnesium requirements.

The adrenal glands may play an essential role in regulating sodium

retention and excretion. Studies have also shown that mg will affect

cortical activity and response, while an increase in adrenal activity

will result in decreased magnesium retention. This sodium-magnesium

profile is indicative of increased cortical function.

All Toxic elements were within normal range however there was one ratio

that was not in correct proportion.

Zinc/Mercury

When Zinc levels within the body are sufficient, zinc is able to produce

and antagonistic or protective response to the adverse affects of

mercury. However when zinc is low in relation to hg, the protective

action of zinc upon mercury may become markedly reduced. Although the

current mercury level is within the acceptable range, if this pattern

becomes chronic or worsens, some minor symptoms or adverse reactions

associated with mercury may occur.

They recommend reducing sodium intake.

eat high protein 40% of calories at each meal. lean protein. Increase

frequency of meals while decreasing calorie intake. (he is really

skinny).

eat a moderate amount of unrefined carbohydrates.

avoid all sugars and refined carbohydrates.

avoid high purine (no problem there)

reduce milk due to high fat and calcium ( we eat none)

reduce intake of fats and oils ( we have little fat except for cod liver

oil, some coconut oil, some grass fed beef)

Reduce fruit juice intake (we don't use much of this either)

Avoid cal and Vit D supplements

Thanks for the help!

April 9, 2006

I don't see where you mention what media this is...blood, hair, urine, stool???

S S

<tt>

It's from Trace elements. I was wondering if these were age adjusted

reference ranges or not. The report though does refer to him as " this

child. " It describes him as a slow metabolizer.

For reference, he and I both have 2 celiac genes. He has been gluten

and casein free except for our Mc's and other mistakes for 3

years. I do have full blown Celiac disease (autoimmune gluten

intolerance) and Hashimoto's hypothyroidism (autoimmune hypothyroidism).

Here are the problems:

Sodium levels and Potassium levels go off the chart high.

Sodium - 382, reference range - 4-36

Potassium - 121, reference range - 2-24

Ca - 37, reference range - 22-97

Mg - 4.1, reference range - 2.0-11.0

Toxic elements, All were in the normal range according to the lab

Arsenic is 0.017, reference range - 0-0.020 (so hi normal)

Mercury was 0.08, reference range - 0-0.18

Significant ratios

Ca/K .31 (Says this is low)

Na/Mg 11.82 (off the chart high)

The explanation part says this:

Both Sodium and Potassium are markedly elevated above normal. Na and K

are affected by the adrenal glands. When elevated, these levels are

often indicative of the body's adrenal cortical response to a stressor.

In the slow metabolizer (type #4), this profile is reflective of the

body's response to a considerable stress (physical or emotional).

Next Paragraphs says again Na retention can be from emotional or

physical stress.

Factors that may contribute to Na retention:

high sodium intake

toxic metal accumulation or elimination

inflammatory conditions

biological stress response

Rubidium levels were high. It's a non toxic element assoc with lithium.

frequently found with elevated K.

Low Ca/K ratio:

high potassium relative to calcium in indicative of elevated thyroid

function. This profile is often the result of the body's response to an

acute stress episode. This is not uncommon in this metabolic subtype and

is usually only temporary.

High Na/Mg ratio:

When sodium is high relative to Magnesium, there is frequently an

increase in magnesium requirements.

The adrenal glands may play an essential role in regulating sodium

retention and excretion. Studies have also shown that mg will affect

cortical activity and response, while an increase in adrenal activity

will result in decreased magnesium retention. This sodium-magnesium

profile is indicative of increased cortical function.

All Toxic elements were within normal range however there was one ratio

that was not in correct proportion.

Zinc/Mercury

When Zinc levels within the body are sufficient, zinc is able to produce

and antagonistic or protective response to the adverse affects of

mercury. However when zinc is low in relation to hg, the protective

action of zinc upon mercury may become markedly reduced. Although the

current mercury level is within the acceptable range, if this pattern

becomes chronic or worsens, some minor symptoms or adverse reactions

associated with mercury may occur.

They recommend reducing sodium intake.

eat high protein 40% of calories at each meal. lean protein. Increase

frequency of meals while decreasing calorie intake. (he is really

skinny).

eat a moderate amount of unrefined carbohydrates.

avoid all sugars and refined carbohydrates.

avoid high purine (no problem there)

reduce milk due to high fat and calcium ( we eat none)

reduce intake of fats and oils ( we have little fat except for cod liver

oil, some coconut oil, some grass fed beef)

Reduce fruit juice intake (we don't use much of this either)

Avoid cal and Vit D supplements

Thanks for the help!

April 9, 2006

>

> Hi, I'm new and just got DS7's Trace Hair analysis back and I am

quite

> alarmed. The explanation says that he is under considerable physical

> or emotional stress. If I can scan this and post it in the files or

> upload it to a web site, is there someone who can help me understand

> this?

>

> My son is 7 and has SID.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Connie

>

If it is a DDI hair elements test, then there is a format you

can use for posting the results. The format is at the end

of this page:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

good wishes,

Moria

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

Mercury Detox: Information, Tools, and Resources

April 9, 2006

It's hair.

RE: [ ] Re: New and need help interpreting lab

report

I don't see where you mention what media this is...blood, hair, urine,

stool??? S S

<tt>

It's from Trace elements. I was wondering if these were age

adjusted reference ranges or not. The report though does refer to

him as " this child. " It describes him as a slow metabolizer.

For reference, he and I both have 2 celiac genes. He has been

gluten and casein free except for our Mc's and other mistakes

for 3 years. I do have full blown Celiac disease (autoimmune

gluten

intolerance) and Hashimoto's hypothyroidism (autoimmune

hypothyroidism). Here are the problems: Sodium levels

and Potassium levels go off the chart high. Sodium - 382,

reference range - 4-36 Potassium - 121, reference range - 2-24

Ca - 37, reference range - 22-97 Mg - 4.1, reference range -

2.0-11.0 Toxic elements, All were in the normal range

according to the lab Arsenic is 0.017, reference range - 0-0.020 (so

hi normal) Mercury was 0.08, reference range - 0-0.18

Significant ratios Ca/K .31 (Says this is low) Na/Mg 11.82 (off

the chart high) The explanation part says this: Both

Sodium and Potassium are markedly elevated above normal. Na and K

are affected by the adrenal glands. When elevated, these levels are

often indicative of the body's adrenal cortical response to a

stressor. In the slow metabolizer (type #4), this profile is

reflective of the body's response to a considerable stress (physical

or emotional). Next Paragraphs says again Na retention can

be from emotional or physical stress. Factors that may

contribute to Na retention: high sodium intake toxic metal

accumulation or elimination inflammatory conditions biological

stress response Rubidium levels were high. It's a non toxic

element assoc with lithium. frequently found with elevated K.

Low Ca/K ratio: high potassium relative to calcium in

indicative of elevated thyroid function. This profile is often the

result of the body's response to an acute stress episode. This is

not uncommon in this metabolic subtype and is usually only

temporary. High Na/Mg ratio: When sodium is high relative

to Magnesium, there is frequently an increase in magnesium

requirements. The adrenal glands may play an essential role in

regulating sodium retention and excretion. Studies have also shown

that mg will affect cortical activity and response, while an

increase in adrenal activity will result in decreased magnesium

retention. This sodium-magnesium profile is indicative of increased

cortical function. All Toxic elements were within normal

range however there was one ratio that was not in correct

proportion. Zinc/Mercury When Zinc levels within the body

are sufficient, zinc is able to produce and antagonistic or

protective response to the adverse affects of mercury. However when

zinc is low in relation to hg, the protective action of zinc upon

mercury may become markedly reduced. Although the current mercury

level is within the acceptable range, if this pattern becomes

chronic or worsens, some minor symptoms or adverse reactions

associated with mercury may occur. They recommend reducing

sodium intake. eat high protein 40% of calories at each meal. lean

protein. Increase frequency of meals while decreasing calorie

intake. (he is really skinny). eat a moderate amount of

unrefined carbohydrates. avoid all sugars and refined

carbohydrates. avoid high purine (no problem there)

reduce milk due to high fat and calcium ( we eat none) reduce

intake of fats and oils ( we have little fat except for cod liver

oil, some coconut oil, some grass fed beef) Reduce fruit juice

intake (we don't use much of this either) Avoid cal and Vit D

supplements Thanks for the help! [Non-text

portions of this message have been removed] </tt>

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April 9, 2006

OK I have painstakingly transposed (hopefully correctly) the info below:

>

> Hi, I'm new and just got DS7's Trace Hair analysis back and I am

quite

> alarmed. The explanation says that he is under considerable physical

> or emotional stress. If I can scan this and post it in the files or

> upload it to a web site, is there someone who can help me understand

> this?

>

> My son is 7 and has SID.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Connie

>

If it is a DDI hair elements test, then there is a format you

can use for posting the results. The format is at the end

of this page:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

good wishes,

Moria

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

Mercury Detox: Information, Tools, and Resources

Trace Elements Inc. TEI

Hair

POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

element result ref range color

=============================================

aluminum 0.4 0 - 1.8

antimony N/A 0 - .007

arsenic .017 0 - .020

beryllium .0010 0 - .0010 Footnote says below

calibration limit

bismuth .0020 .000 - .039 Footnote says below

calibration limit

cadmium .005 0 - .014

lead 0.10 0 - 0.30

mercury 0.08 0 - 0.18

platinum .001 .000 - .002 Footnote says below

calibration limit

thallium .0005 .0000 - .0060 Footnote says below

calibration limit

thorium not listed

uranium .0005 0 - .0170 Footnote says below

calibration limit

nickel .02 .00 - .010

silver not listed

tin 0.100 .000 - .030

titanium .09 .00 - .20

ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

element result ref range color under/over 50%

============================================================

Calcium 37 22 - 97

Magnesium 4.1 2.0 - 11.0

Sodium 372 4 - 36

Potassium 121 2 - 24

Copper 0.9 3.9

Zinc 13 10 - 21

Manganese 0.051 .010 - .130

Chromium 0.07 0.02 - 0.08

Vanadium 0.14 .002 - 0.14

Molybdenum .002 .003 - .008

Boron 0.36 0.02 - 0.91

Iodine N/A not given (I have a question

about this.)

Lithium .001 .001 - .006

Phosphorus 12 11 - 20

Selenium 0.08 0.03 - 0.18

Strontium 0.07 0.03 - 0.50

Sulfur 3986 3546 - 5336

Barium 0.05 0.00 - 0.26

Cobalt .002 .001 - .003

Iron 0.6 0.5 - 1.6

Germanium .004 .006 - 0.11

Rubidium .1829 .0000 - 0.190

Zirconium 0.02 0.00 - 0.09

In addition their are important rations discussed in the test.

Significant ratios

Ca/K .31 (Says this is low)

Na/Mg 11.82 (off the chart high)

The explanation part says this:

Both Sodium and Potassium are markedly elevated above normal. Na and K

are affected by the adrenal glands. When elevated, these levels are

often indicative of the body's adrenal cortical response to a stressor.

In the slow metabolizer (type #4), this profile is reflective of the

body's response to a considerable stress (physical or emotional).

Next Paragraphs says again Na retention can be from emotional or

physical stress.

Factors that may contribute to Na retention:

high sodium intake

toxic metal accumulation or elimination

inflammatory conditions

biological stress response

Rubidium levels were high. It's a non toxic element assoc with lithium.

frequently found with elevated K.

Low Ca/K ratio:

high potassium relative to calcium in indicative of elevated thyroid

function. This profile is often the result of the body's response to an

acute stress episode. This is not uncommon in this metabolic subtype and

is usually only temporary.

High Na/Mg ratio:

When sodium is high relative to Magnesium, there is frequently an

increase in magnesium requirements.

The adrenal glands may play an essential role in regulating sodium

retention and excretion. Studies have also shown that mg will affect

cortical activity and response, while an increase in adrenal activity

will result in decreased magnesium retention. This sodium-magnesium

profile is indicative of increased cortical function.

All Toxic elements were within normal range however there was one ratio

that was not in correct proportion.

Zinc/Mercury

When Zinc levels within the body are sufficient, zinc is able to produce

and antagonistic or protective response to the adverse affects of

mercury. However when zinc is low in relation to hg, the protective

action of zinc upon mercury may become markedly reduced. Although the

current mercury level is within the acceptable range, if this pattern

becomes chronic or worsens, some minor symptoms or adverse reactions

associated with mercury may occur.

They recommend reducing sodium intake.

eat high protein 40% of calories at each meal. lean protein. Increase

frequency of meals while decreasing calorie intake. (he is really

skinny).

eat a moderate amount of unrefined carbohydrates.

avoid all sugars and refined carbohydrates.

avoid high purine (no problem there)

reduce milk due to high fat and calcium (we eat none, but take cal and

mg supps)

reduce intake of fats and oils (we have little fat except for cod liver

oil, some coconut oil, some grass fed beef)

Reduce fruit juice intake (we don't use much of this either)

Avoid cal and Vit D supplements

So to me it looks like there are some hormone problems, or else he is

kept in a cage and beaten regularly. He is 7 and has never been vaxxed.

He has only had 2 injections in his life, vit K at birth and one time he

had Im antibiotics because he was vomiting and she wanted to keep him

out of the hosp. It also looks like he has an acid system to me.

He does have celiac disease. This might account for the " inflammatory

condition " under sodium retention.

I will start by reducing his intake or sugar and subbing fruit (so far

only eats bananas). We are working on fruits and veggies though. I will

give him a protein snack between meals.

Can anyone help me understand what any of this means? I would so

appreciate it.

Connie

(mom to a very special little boy - IQ 150+)

Celiac disease, casein intolerance, peanut and tree nut allergies.

April 9, 2006

>

> It's from Trace elements. I was wondering if these were age adjusted

> reference ranges or not. The report though does refer to him as " this

> child. " It describes him as a slow metabolizer.

I am going by Andy's book and he says they don't use age adjusted

ranges. Of course things can change, but without definitive

info from your end (you could call them and ask), I will assume

Andy's book is right.

If they are age-adjusted ranges, post the full results and I will

check it for mercury-related mineral derangement.

> For reference, he and I both have 2 celiac genes. He has been gluten

> and casein free except for our Mc's and other mistakes for 3

> years. I do have full blown Celiac disease (autoimmune gluten

> intolerance) and Hashimoto's hypothyroidism (autoimmune hypothyroidism).

Got it.

> Here are the problems:

> Sodium levels and Potassium levels go off the chart high.

> Sodium - 382, reference range - 4-36

> Potassium - 121, reference range - 2-24

> Ca - 37, reference range - 22-97

> Mg - 4.1, reference range - 2.0-11.0

Yes, that looks like adrenal stress, of the type where too much

adrenaline is produced, but not enough cortisol.

> Toxic elements, All were in the normal range according to the lab

> Arsenic is 0.017, reference range - 0-0.020 (so hi normal)

> Mercury was 0.08, reference range - 0-0.18

Hm - if these are in microgram/gram units, then they don't look

like adult ranges. If they are adult ranges, then those

levels are of concern. If not, then it depends on the rest

of the hair test.

I'd encourage you to call them and verify whether they use

age-adjusted ranges or not.

> Significant ratios

> Ca/K .31 (Says this is low)

> Na/Mg 11.82 (off the chart high)

I don't know what a low Ca/K means.

Yes Na/Mg is whoppingly high - does he have symptoms consistent

with this? Hyperactive, anxious, poor immune function?

> The explanation part says this:

> Both Sodium and Potassium are markedly elevated above normal. Na and K

> are affected by the adrenal glands. When elevated, these levels are

> often indicative of the body's adrenal cortical response to a stressor.

> In the slow metabolizer (type #4), this profile is reflective of the

> body's response to a considerable stress (physical or emotional).

>

> Next Paragraphs says again Na retention can be from emotional or

> physical stress.

>

> Factors that may contribute to Na retention:

> high sodium intake

> toxic metal accumulation or elimination

> inflammatory conditions

> biological stress response

Andy says hair sodium does not say anything about dietary intake

or body burden, so I would not worry about sodium retention. In

fact, in adrenal stress, there can be a greater need for salt.

Interestingly, he also says that in celiac disease, sodium is often

lower than potassium - I would infer that he has not had too many

infractions in the three months before the test.

> Rubidium levels were high. It's a non toxic element assoc with lithium.

> frequently found with elevated K.

Rubidium level tracks Na and K when adrenal stress is present.

I wouldn't worry about this at all.

> Low Ca/K ratio:

> high potassium relative to calcium in indicative of elevated thyroid

> function. This profile is often the result of the body's response to an

> acute stress episode. This is not uncommon in this metabolic subtype and

> is usually only temporary.

>

> High Na/Mg ratio:

> When sodium is high relative to Magnesium, there is frequently an

> increase in magnesium requirements.

>

> The adrenal glands may play an essential role in regulating sodium

> retention and excretion. Studies have also shown that mg will affect

> cortical activity and response, while an increase in adrenal activity

> will result in decreased magnesium retention. This sodium-magnesium

> profile is indicative of increased cortical function.

>

> All Toxic elements were within normal range however there was one ratio

> that was not in correct proportion.

>

> Zinc/Mercury

> When Zinc levels within the body are sufficient, zinc is able to produce

> and antagonistic or protective response to the adverse affects of

> mercury. However when zinc is low in relation to hg, the protective

> action of zinc upon mercury may become markedly reduced. Although the

> current mercury level is within the acceptable range, if this pattern

> becomes chronic or worsens, some minor symptoms or adverse reactions

> associated with mercury may occur.

>

> They recommend reducing sodium intake.

Based on Andy's book, I think this is unnecessary.

> eat high protein 40% of calories at each meal. lean protein. Increase

> frequency of meals while decreasing calorie intake. (he is really

> skinny).

Protein is good, as is frequency of meals. Certainly feed him

what he will eat - he clearly needs calories.

> eat a moderate amount of unrefined carbohydrates.

>

> avoid all sugars and refined carbohydrates.

Good idea with adrenal stress.

> avoid high purine (no problem there)

>

> reduce milk due to high fat and calcium ( we eat none)

I wouldn't worry about this.

> reduce intake of fats and oils ( we have little fat except for cod liver

> oil, some coconut oil, some grass fed beef)

This is because of the slow metabolizer result, but I think you

should ignore it. I don't see how he can be a slow metabolizer

with the adrenal stress level, but I am not an expert and maybe

Andy could make sense of this.

> Reduce fruit juice intake (we don't use much of this either)

Again good idea because of the adrenal stress. Sugar carbs will

cause problems.

> Avoid cal and Vit D supplements

Not sure why they think so.

> Thanks for the help!

>

You're welcome!

--

April 10, 2006

Oh, , I so much appreciate it. I was freaking out.

It made no sense to me how his labs could be this bad. He does eat a

fair amount of junk but far less than most kids. We can't do fast food

at all, because of the celiac, so junk is a gf cookie or a gf cf pizza

from whole foods. I am vigilante.

He has sid and maybe ADHD though they say with gifted kids it sometimes

looks like ADHD. Still, with our autoimmune issues and his low

immunity, I do worry about ASD stuff all the time.

I do think there is a possibility of hg though. Here's the reason. I

had my amalgams removed when he was about 3 and nursing. I did oral

chelation with chemet, and pumped and dumped while doing it and they

were done in one visit, but I did get it done. I was sick or I wouldn't

have done it. Dr Cave (I live in BR) interestingly enough

missed the fact that I have celiac and hashimoto's. I do appreciate

getting my amalgams out, but gosh celiac and hashimoto's. <shaking

head>

So I am going to start cilantro. I know, I know no studies, but it

feels safer to me.

Connie

[ ] Re: New and need help interpreting lab report

>

> It's from Trace elements. I was wondering if these were age adjusted

> reference ranges or not. The report though does refer to him as " this

> child. " It describes him as a slow metabolizer.

I am going by Andy's book and he says they don't use age adjusted

ranges. Of course things can change, but without definitive

info from your end (you could call them and ask), I will assume

Andy's book is right.

If they are age-adjusted ranges, post the full results and I will

check it for mercury-related mineral derangement.

> For reference, he and I both have 2 celiac genes. He has been gluten

> and casein free except for our Mc's and other mistakes for 3

> years. I do have full blown Celiac disease (autoimmune gluten

> intolerance) and Hashimoto's hypothyroidism (autoimmune

hypothyroidism).

Got it.

> Here are the problems:

> Sodium levels and Potassium levels go off the chart high.

> Sodium - 382, reference range - 4-36

> Potassium - 121, reference range - 2-24

> Ca - 37, reference range - 22-97

> Mg - 4.1, reference range - 2.0-11.0

Yes, that looks like adrenal stress, of the type where too much

adrenaline is produced, but not enough cortisol.

> Toxic elements, All were in the normal range according to the lab

> Arsenic is 0.017, reference range - 0-0.020 (so hi normal)

> Mercury was 0.08, reference range - 0-0.18

Hm - if these are in microgram/gram units, then they don't look

like adult ranges. If they are adult ranges, then those

levels are of concern. If not, then it depends on the rest

of the hair test.

I'd encourage you to call them and verify whether they use

age-adjusted ranges or not.

> Significant ratios

> Ca/K .31 (Says this is low)

> Na/Mg 11.82 (off the chart high)

I don't know what a low Ca/K means.

Yes Na/Mg is whoppingly high - does he have symptoms consistent

with this? Hyperactive, anxious, poor immune function?

> The explanation part says this:

> Both Sodium and Potassium are markedly elevated above normal. Na and K

> are affected by the adrenal glands. When elevated, these levels are

> often indicative of the body's adrenal cortical response to a

stressor.

> In the slow metabolizer (type #4), this profile is reflective of the

> body's response to a considerable stress (physical or emotional).

>

> Next Paragraphs says again Na retention can be from emotional or

> physical stress.

>

> Factors that may contribute to Na retention:

> high sodium intake

> toxic metal accumulation or elimination

> inflammatory conditions

> biological stress response

Andy says hair sodium does not say anything about dietary intake

or body burden, so I would not worry about sodium retention. In

fact, in adrenal stress, there can be a greater need for salt.

Interestingly, he also says that in celiac disease, sodium is often

lower than potassium - I would infer that he has not had too many

infractions in the three months before the test.

> Rubidium levels were high. It's a non toxic element assoc with

lithium.

> frequently found with elevated K.

Rubidium level tracks Na and K when adrenal stress is present.

I wouldn't worry about this at all.

> Low Ca/K ratio:

> high potassium relative to calcium in indicative of elevated thyroid

> function. This profile is often the result of the body's response to

an

> acute stress episode. This is not uncommon in this metabolic subtype

and

> is usually only temporary.

>

> High Na/Mg ratio:

> When sodium is high relative to Magnesium, there is frequently an

> increase in magnesium requirements.

>

> The adrenal glands may play an essential role in regulating sodium

> retention and excretion. Studies have also shown that mg will affect

> cortical activity and response, while an increase in adrenal activity

> will result in decreased magnesium retention. This sodium-magnesium

> profile is indicative of increased cortical function.

>

> All Toxic elements were within normal range however there was one

ratio

> that was not in correct proportion.

>

> Zinc/Mercury

> When Zinc levels within the body are sufficient, zinc is able to

produce

> and antagonistic or protective response to the adverse affects of

> mercury. However when zinc is low in relation to hg, the protective

> action of zinc upon mercury may become markedly reduced. Although the

> current mercury level is within the acceptable range, if this pattern

> becomes chronic or worsens, some minor symptoms or adverse reactions

> associated with mercury may occur.

>

> They recommend reducing sodium intake.

Based on Andy's book, I think this is unnecessary.

> eat high protein 40% of calories at each meal. lean protein. Increase

> frequency of meals while decreasing calorie intake. (he is really

> skinny).

Protein is good, as is frequency of meals. Certainly feed him

what he will eat - he clearly needs calories.

> eat a moderate amount of unrefined carbohydrates.

>

> avoid all sugars and refined carbohydrates.

Good idea with adrenal stress.

> avoid high purine (no problem there)

>

> reduce milk due to high fat and calcium ( we eat none)

I wouldn't worry about this.

> reduce intake of fats and oils ( we have little fat except for cod

liver

> oil, some coconut oil, some grass fed beef)

This is because of the slow metabolizer result, but I think you

should ignore it. I don't see how he can be a slow metabolizer

with the adrenal stress level, but I am not an expert and maybe

Andy could make sense of this.

> Reduce fruit juice intake (we don't use much of this either)

Again good idea because of the adrenal stress. Sugar carbs will

cause problems.

> Avoid cal and Vit D supplements

Not sure why they think so.

> Thanks for the help!

>

You're welcome!

--

=======================================================

April 10, 2006

> >

> > It's from Trace elements. I was wondering if these were age adjusted

> > reference ranges or not. The report though does refer to him as " this

> > child. " It describes him as a slow metabolizer.

>

> I am going by Andy's book and he says they don't use age adjusted

> ranges. Of course things can change, but without definitive

> info from your end (you could call them and ask), I will assume

> Andy's book is right.

>

> If they are age-adjusted ranges, post the full results and I will

> check it for mercury-related mineral derangement.

>

> > For reference, he and I both have 2 celiac genes. He has been gluten

> > and casein free except for our Mc's and other mistakes for 3

> > years. I do have full blown Celiac disease (autoimmune gluten

> > intolerance) and Hashimoto's hypothyroidism (autoimmune

> hypothyroidism).

>

> Got it.

>

> > Here are the problems:

> > Sodium levels and Potassium levels go off the chart high.

> > Sodium - 382, reference range - 4-36

> > Potassium - 121, reference range - 2-24

> > Ca - 37, reference range - 22-97

> > Mg - 4.1, reference range - 2.0-11.0

>

> Yes, that looks like adrenal stress, of the type where too much

> adrenaline is produced, but not enough cortisol.

>

> > Toxic elements, All were in the normal range according to the lab

> > Arsenic is 0.017, reference range - 0-0.020 (so hi normal)

> > Mercury was 0.08, reference range - 0-0.18

>

> Hm - if these are in microgram/gram units, then they don't look

> like adult ranges. If they are adult ranges, then those

> levels are of concern. If not, then it depends on the rest

> of the hair test.

>

> I'd encourage you to call them and verify whether they use

> age-adjusted ranges or not.

>

> > Significant ratios

> > Ca/K .31 (Says this is low)

> > Na/Mg 11.82 (off the chart high)

>

> I don't know what a low Ca/K means.

>

> Yes Na/Mg is whoppingly high - does he have symptoms consistent

> with this? Hyperactive, anxious, poor immune function?

>

> > The explanation part says this:

> > Both Sodium and Potassium are markedly elevated above normal. Na and K

> > are affected by the adrenal glands. When elevated, these levels are

> > often indicative of the body's adrenal cortical response to a

> stressor.

> > In the slow metabolizer (type #4), this profile is reflective of the

> > body's response to a considerable stress (physical or emotional).

> >

> > Next Paragraphs says again Na retention can be from emotional or

> > physical stress.

> >

> > Factors that may contribute to Na retention:

> > high sodium intake

> > toxic metal accumulation or elimination

> > inflammatory conditions

> > biological stress response

>

> Andy says hair sodium does not say anything about dietary intake

> or body burden, so I would not worry about sodium retention. In

> fact, in adrenal stress, there can be a greater need for salt.

> Interestingly, he also says that in celiac disease, sodium is often

> lower than potassium - I would infer that he has not had too many

> infractions in the three months before the test.

>

> > Rubidium levels were high. It's a non toxic element assoc with

> lithium.

> > frequently found with elevated K.

>

> Rubidium level tracks Na and K when adrenal stress is present.

> I wouldn't worry about this at all.

>

> > Low Ca/K ratio:

> > high potassium relative to calcium in indicative of elevated thyroid

> > function. This profile is often the result of the body's response to

> an

> > acute stress episode. This is not uncommon in this metabolic subtype

> and

> > is usually only temporary.

> >

> > High Na/Mg ratio:

> > When sodium is high relative to Magnesium, there is frequently an

> > increase in magnesium requirements.

> >

> > The adrenal glands may play an essential role in regulating sodium

> > retention and excretion. Studies have also shown that mg will affect

> > cortical activity and response, while an increase in adrenal activity

> > will result in decreased magnesium retention. This sodium-magnesium

> > profile is indicative of increased cortical function.

> >

> > All Toxic elements were within normal range however there was one

> ratio

> > that was not in correct proportion.

> >

> > Zinc/Mercury

> > When Zinc levels within the body are sufficient, zinc is able to

> produce

> > and antagonistic or protective response to the adverse affects of

> > mercury. However when zinc is low in relation to hg, the protective

> > action of zinc upon mercury may become markedly reduced. Although the

> > current mercury level is within the acceptable range, if this pattern

> > becomes chronic or worsens, some minor symptoms or adverse reactions

> > associated with mercury may occur.

> >

> > They recommend reducing sodium intake.

>

> Based on Andy's book, I think this is unnecessary.

>

> > eat high protein 40% of calories at each meal. lean protein. Increase

> > frequency of meals while decreasing calorie intake. (he is really

> > skinny).

>

> Protein is good, as is frequency of meals. Certainly feed him

> what he will eat - he clearly needs calories.

>

> > eat a moderate amount of unrefined carbohydrates.

> >

> > avoid all sugars and refined carbohydrates.

>

> Good idea with adrenal stress.

>

> > avoid high purine (no problem there)

> >

> > reduce milk due to high fat and calcium ( we eat none)

>

> I wouldn't worry about this.

>

> > reduce intake of fats and oils ( we have little fat except for cod

> liver

> > oil, some coconut oil, some grass fed beef)

>

> This is because of the slow metabolizer result, but I think you

> should ignore it. I don't see how he can be a slow metabolizer

> with the adrenal stress level, but I am not an expert and maybe

> Andy could make sense of this.

>

> > Reduce fruit juice intake (we don't use much of this either)

>

> Again good idea because of the adrenal stress. Sugar carbs will

> cause problems.

>

> > Avoid cal and Vit D supplements

>

> Not sure why they think so.

>

> > Thanks for the help!

> >

>

> You're welcome!

>

> --

>

> =======================================================

>

April 11, 2006

> I haven't used cilantro, but it really can cause

> problems. Noone knows what the component is that chelates, so it

> can't be standardized so that you get a consistent dose. Some

> batches may have a lot of the chelating component, and some

batches

> may have little. So you won't be able to predict what effects it

> might produce.

it seems that every time I respond to this point I am

misunderstood, regardless of how carefully I explain.

You'd think I would just stop responding, but I do not.

It just irritates me, because I hate having to hash it

out every time.

what gets " misunderstood " is that when I explain that

it IS very possible to get consistent doses, people decide

to interpret that as meaning completely other things, such

as that I'm encouraging people to use cilantro. Don't

do that.

It is very possible to get consistent doses of cilantro,

and I've done it, and can repeat it. And I don't even

know much about this, I'm a rank amatuer. All I did

was make a largish batch of tincture and shake it before

each use. If I wanted to do this for huge amounts, say

enough for 500 people to take for several years, I would

talk to a REAL herbalist or a product manufacturer about

how to go about it. None the less, the DIY way I did it

does work fine, and I made far more than I would be likely

to use up.

> And of course no one knows the half-life, which

> is very important to know for determining dosage frequency.

THAT is the part that I think is a problem.

Please note that I ALREADY posted with personal examples

of (both negative and positive) results using cilantro.

(This can be found here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Chelation_products.html

Look for section on " cilantro " .)

Reading this actually HAS been known to change people's

plans about cilantro.

good wishes,

Moria

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

Mercury Detox: Information, Tools, and Resources

April 11, 2006

No, he's never been vaxxed. We eat Shrimp and Tilapia. We just started

eating canned tuna becasue there is no convenient way to eat away from

our house unless we do, so we take small cans of Tuna in the car to sub

for the Mc's that we can no longer eat.

April 11, 2006

> I haven't used cilantro, but it really can cause

> problems. Noone knows what the component is that chelates, so it

> can't be standardized so that you get a consistent dose. Some

> batches may have a lot of the chelating component, and some

batches

> may have little. So you won't be able to predict what effects it

> might produce.

it seems that every time I respond to this point I am

misunderstood, regardless of how carefully I explain.

You'd think I would just stop responding, but I do not.

It just irritates me, because I hate having to hash it

out every time.

what gets " misunderstood " is that when I explain that

it IS very possible to get consistent doses, people decide

to interpret that as meaning completely other things, such

as that I'm encouraging people to use cilantro. Don't

do that.

It is very possible to get consistent doses of cilantro,

and I've done it, and can repeat it. And I don't even

know much about this, I'm a rank amatuer. All I did

was make a largish batch of tincture and shake it before

each use. If I wanted to do this for huge amounts, say

enough for 500 people to take for several years, I would

talk to a REAL herbalist or a product manufacturer about

how to go about it. None the less, the DIY way I did it

does work fine, and I made far more than I would be likely

to use up.

[CC Bernard]

I was still thinking of using it. I have a pound of dried cilantro

here. I make my own tinctures and in larger batches. I would start off

very low and watch carefully. In fact I see no reason to increase the

dose or potency. The fact is I am much more comfortable with herbs

having worked with them much more than any other modality and for over

20 years. I'm not an herbalist as I don't have any certification in it,

but I do know as much as some of the ones I have known over the years.

I would also read and research before doing this. Most of all though I

would play it safe and I would watch my child carefully. I would also

probably consult with a close family MD friend who is Chief for the

Section of Complementary and Alternative Medicine at a local medical

school.

[CC Bernard]

Now the way to get a consistent batch is to steep for a particular

period of time and then strain it. Store it in a dark place and use from

that batch. If I keep notes, my next batch should also be very very

close in potency.

> And of course no one knows the half-life, which

> is very important to know for determining dosage frequency.

THAT is the part that I think is a problem.

Please note that I ALREADY posted with personal examples

of (both negative and positive) results using cilantro.

(This can be found here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Chelation_products.html

Look for section on " cilantro " .)

Reading this actually HAS been known to change people's

plans about cilantro.

[CC Bernard]

When I was reading some of those stories, I kept thinking these people

were using too much. I think an amount that you would eat in a meal

should be reasonable. my son has eaten lemongrass soup a few times that

had a good amount of fresh cilantro in it and I saw no adverse effects.

I think the key with an herb (which is being used as a drug for a child)

is moderation. I would be cautious. I personally don't think it is

appropriate to give more than the amount that would be consumed in a

meal. More than that seems dangerous to me.

I would also continue with our homeopathic remedies that we are using.

I think that helped when we took it in Nov. I think it's time to take

it again, though. I saw noticeable improvements in expressive language

and in social maturity.

Thanks for the advice and suggestions. I'm not doing anything today. I

just freaked out about the adrenal thing. I can't understand this. How

can a 7 yr old be that stressed out?

I feel responsible. I feel that something I have done or my husband has

done has harmed him and caused this condition to develop. I feel so

guilty.

Connie

April 11, 2006

I may be repeating here so please pardon me if this information has

already been given but fish, especially tuna contains a lot of

mercury. I am not sure how much the tilapia contains but I know the

tuna is pretty high and best avoided in anyone suspecting metal

toxicity. I would avoid fish in anyone who may be metal toxic. The

amount in tuna can be the same as a vaccine. There are some website

that can provide mercury in fish amounts. Go for organic protein

bars!

- In , " Connie " <ABRAH@...> wrote:

>

> No, he's never been vaxxed. We eat Shrimp and Tilapia. We just

started

> eating canned tuna becasue there is no convenient way to eat away

from

> our house unless we do, so we take small cans of Tuna in the car

to sub

> for the Mc's that we can no longer eat.

>

April 11, 2006

>

> > I haven't used cilantro, but it really can cause

> > problems. Noone knows what the component is that chelates, so it

> > can't be standardized so that you get a consistent dose. Some

> > batches may have a lot of the chelating component, and some

> batches

> > may have little. So you won't be able to predict what effects it

> > might produce.

>

> it seems that every time I respond to this point I am

> misunderstood, regardless of how carefully I explain.

> You'd think I would just stop responding, but I do not.

> It just irritates me, because I hate having to hash it

> out every time.

I'm sorry to have triggered you to spend time on this,

since you apparently have done so before. I am not able

to keep up with every post on this board and I have missed

your previous responses to this topic.

When I raise concerns about cilantro, I am mostly talking

to those people who would be inclined to ill-considered

use, use of large quantities and/or use of low quality

sources. If you know the potential risks due to it's ability

to chelate metals, you recognize that there is some important

information lacking about half-life and dosage, and you still

decide to try it, then I respect your decision. I haven't

chosen to do this with myself, but if I was unable to take

ALA, I would consider it.

> what gets " misunderstood " is that when I explain that

> it IS very possible to get consistent doses, people decide

> to interpret that as meaning completely other things, such

> as that I'm encouraging people to use cilantro. Don't

> do that.

I won't do that. I don't see any evidence that you are

encouraging anyone. Even if you were, I personally value

hearing your opinion, as long as I can express my opinion

as well.

Some people consider cilantro safe, simply because it is

a food/herb and not a drug. I think many foods and herbs

need to be used judiciously, especially with people who are

toxic.

> It is very possible to get consistent doses of cilantro,

> and I've done it, and can repeat it. And I don't even

> know much about this, I'm a rank amatuer. All I did

> was make a largish batch of tincture and shake it before

> each use. If I wanted to do this for huge amounts, say

> enough for 500 people to take for several years, I would

> talk to a REAL herbalist or a product manufacturer about

> how to go about it. None the less, the DIY way I did it

> does work fine, and I made far more than I would be likely

> to use up.

This gives you consistency from dose to dose of that particular

batch. I still think you could get variations in strength from

batch to batch. I am far from being an expert on this, but I

would need some convincing to believe this is not an issue.

> [CC Bernard]

> I was still thinking of using it. I have a pound of dried cilantro

> here. I make my own tinctures and in larger batches. I would start off

> very low and watch carefully. In fact I see no reason to increase the

> dose or potency. The fact is I am much more comfortable with herbs

> having worked with them much more than any other modality and for over

I prefer to take natural substances, and I am especially fond of

Chinese herbal medicine. However, in all honesty I have had as

much trouble with side effects and discomfort from foods and herbs

as from drugs. If I can achieve greater health/well-being with an

energetic therapy or a behavioral choice, I prefer that to taking

drugs/herbs/foods/supplements.

> 20 years. I'm not an herbalist as I don't have any certification in it,

> but I do know as much as some of the ones I have known over the years.

> I would also read and research before doing this. Most of all though I

> would play it safe and I would watch my child carefully. I would also

> probably consult with a close family MD friend who is Chief for the

> Section of Complementary and Alternative Medicine at a local medical

> school.

>

> [CC Bernard]

> Now the way to get a consistent batch is to steep for a particular

> period of time and then strain it. Store it in a dark place and use from

> that batch. If I keep notes, my next batch should also be very very

> close in potency.

How do you measure the potency of each batch and compare them?

> > And of course no one knows the half-life, which

> > is very important to know for determining dosage frequency.

>

> THAT is the part that I think is a problem.

Yes, I agree this is harder to solve than the dosage.

> Please note that I ALREADY posted with personal examples

> of (both negative and positive) results using cilantro.

> (This can be found here:

> http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Chelation_products.html

> Look for section on " cilantro " .)

> Reading this actually HAS been known to change people's

> plans about cilantro.

>

> [CC Bernard]

> When I was reading some of those stories, I kept thinking these people

> were using too much. I think an amount that you would eat in a meal

> should be reasonable. my son has eaten lemongrass soup a few times that

> had a good amount of fresh cilantro in it and I saw no adverse effects.

> I think the key with an herb (which is being used as a drug for a child)

> is moderation. I would be cautious. I personally don't think it is

> appropriate to give more than the amount that would be consumed in a

> meal. More than that seems dangerous to me.

I agree this is sensible.

> I would also continue with our homeopathic remedies that we are using.

> I think that helped when we took it in Nov. I think it's time to take

> it again, though. I saw noticeable improvements in expressive language

> and in social maturity.

I get good benefits from the homeopathic drainage drops. I also

took a plumbum remedy which stirred up an awful lot of lead and

made me pretty miserable for a few months. I'm not sure I would

use that type of remedy again, at least not until I'm able to use

higher doses of chelators. There seems to be no effective way to

know how toxic you are, or how much will be stirred up by the remedy

until it's already flooding your system. I found it too scary.

> Thanks for the advice and suggestions. I'm not doing anything today. I

> just freaked out about the adrenal thing. I can't understand this. How

> can a 7 yr old be that stressed out?

It needn't be external stress. The stress of toxins in the body

(heavy metals, yeast, whatever) or any other type of illness

can be enough all by itself to stress his adrenals. Adrenal

and thyroid problems are very common with heavy metal toxicity.

> I feel responsible. I feel that something I have done or my husband has

> done has harmed him and caused this condition to develop. I feel so

> guilty.

>

> Connie

It is natural to look to your own actions, because that is the one

thing you have control over. Be realistic, though. You love your

son and you are doing your very best for him. I'm sure you can

improve your parenting skills - everyone can and the vast majority

of parents do. But you have no control over the genetic component.

The vaccine issue is complex - even if you did vaccinate, you were

making the best decision you could with the information you had at

the time. And you certainly don't have control over the toxic metals

floating around in the environment.

Guilt is a natural pitfall of parenting. I think it can get in

your way. One of the best things you can do for your son is to

keep processing the guilts that come up and come to terms with the

fact that, even if you are not perfect, you can give your child

something that no one else can, because you are his mother. The

special love you have for him is precious beyond value.

Sorry if that sounds a bit sappy. We can always learn more about

how to use our love to its best purpose. If we do make mistakes

(and I'm not saying you have, but just suggesting a way of moving

beyond your fear or belief that you have) love is the best tool

for moving forward and I think you should concentrate on that.

--

April 11, 2006

The type of mercury in tuna fish and assorted marine life is a chemical compound

called methylmercury. It differs from the ethylmercury compound, the kind in

vaccines, in that it the methylmercury compound doesn't degrade, decompose, or

whatever you want to call it as quickly as the vaccine mercury does. It also

appears the re-assemble in the brain as inorganic mercury in the brains at a

more rapid rate, also. See Burbacher 2005

Aside from exposures to mercury by eating fish contaminated with methylmercury

and breathing air contaminated with mercury from coal-fired power plants there

are old munitions sites that are still mercury-toxic years after ceasing

production and old manufacturing sites with very high soil contents of mercury.

Silver tooth filling material is also mercury-heavy. Is it possible to become

mercury-toxic from these? You won't get an argument out of CDC on that. In fact

if you listen to the IOM and CDC and AAP they do speak in wishful thinking terms

of " our mercury wouldn't be a problem if there just wasn't so much " other "

mercury floating around " .

I think the lack of government working to establish a safe exposure for

ethylmercury some seven years or so since they " officially " discovered that they

didn't have one, and, in fact, had to " borrow " an EPA standard established for

less toxic methylmercury it quite telling. I think it's impossible to suggest

safety for thimerosal with no safe exposure level established for ethylmercury.

I think they never intend to establish a safe level of ethylmercury exposure.

[ ] Re: New and need help interpreting lab report

I may be repeating here so please pardon me if this information has

already been given but fish, especially tuna contains a lot of

mercury. I am not sure how much the tilapia contains but I know the

tuna is pretty high and best avoided in anyone suspecting metal

toxicity. I would avoid fish in anyone who may be metal toxic. The

amount in tuna can be the same as a vaccine. There are some website

that can provide mercury in fish amounts. Go for organic protein

bars!

- In , " Connie " <ABRAH@...> wrote:

>

> No, he's never been vaxxed. We eat Shrimp and Tilapia. We just

started

> eating canned tuna becasue there is no convenient way to eat away

from

> our house unless we do, so we take small cans of Tuna in the car

to sub

> for the Mc's that we can no longer eat.

>

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