Re: Supplement Troubles/Dana

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>

> This might be because the dose was too high, or you gave it without

> folic acid, or it caused yeast overgrowth. All three of those

things

> happened with mB12 and my #3.

He gets 400mcg folinic daily. He tolerates it ok. Maybe that isn't

enough? I try not to get beside myself thinking finally I have

beaten this yeast. I read a post with the symptoms of yeast, he

doesn't have them. I know that doesn't mean that an MB12 injection

can't make it flare, though.

>

>

> >>he doesn't tolerate

> > Biotin,

>

> What happens when you give it to him?

5mcg makes him angry and tantrumy, slamming, throwing objects.

>

>

> >>tolerates very small amounts B3 and B5, 400mcg Folinic with

> > 6mcg mB12 with it. I tried B2 alone and it made his lips flaming

red

> > and swollen. How do I get these balanced so he tolerates them?

>

>

> Keep giving him whatever dose he tolerates. Try to adjust them

every

> few weeks.

If I can find the right amounts to bgin with;). He also gets B6 and

B1 that I forgot to mention. Maybe I should find a childs multi and

start with that dosage of each. If I try to give one at a time isn't

he more likely to react being that they are so out of whack?

Thinking out loud....

>

>

> > I tried calcium, 200mg (350mg magnesium always) and he became

very

> > hyper.

>

>

> My son was hyper with calcium because he was calcium toxic.

However,

> if it is causing hyper for a child with known deficiency, consider

> giving it with increased magnesium and vitamin D.

I have given him IP6 before and he did really well with it. I tend

to give supplements until I see regression; I did not do this with

the IP6. He did very well with it and I stopped it after a month or

so. I gave it to him again for a few days this week and he di great

with it.

He gets approx. 350mg magnesium a day. I occassionally add vit D to

his supplements, also. That should be enough for 200mg cal that has

vit D in it, no?

>

> What are all the ingredients of the calcium supplement you are

giving?

It is Kirkmans Albion(aac), 200mg cal with 80IU vit D.

>

>

> >>I can tell he is calcium deficient because his finger and toe

> > nails are growing in with grooves and pits and are brittle.

>

>

> Check here for any other reasons for those issues

>

> http://www.skinatlas.com/nails.htm

>

> http://dermnetnz.org/hair-nails-sweat/nails.html

>

> http://www.pathlights.com/nr_encyclopedia/03extr02.htm

>

>

> >> Also, I

> > noticed he is getting white spots on his teeth.

I did clarify in another post that it seems his teeth are losing

their whiteness except for a some spots. The spots aren't whiter

than his white teeth. His teeth seem to be greying.

Thank you,

a

>

>

> Check here

>

> http://www.dentalgentlecare.com/what_ages_teeth.htm

>

> Dana

>

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I replied once before, I must have lost it. Let's try again...

> > He used to take MB12 inj and for what ever reason(money, not

liking

> > poking him, stopping all supplements to find the reason for a

> > regression and never starting it again), I stopped. After I got

> > these results I gave him one injection and he became very hostile.

>

>

> This might be because the dose was too high, or you gave it without

> folic acid, or it caused yeast overgrowth. All three of those

things

> happened with mB12 and my #3.

Dose may have been too high, that's what those things are for. I

give 400mgc folinic a day. Maybe that could be higher? He tolerates

it well. I read the post with the yeast symptoms earlier, and it

isn't applying, today, that is. I know that doesn't mean that an

MB12 injecton can't cause a flare, I guess.

>

>

> >>he doesn't tolerate

> > Biotin,

>

>

> What happens when you give it to him?

5mcg makes him tanrumy and angry, throwing, slamming objects.

>

>

> >>tolerates very small amounts B3 and B5, 400mcg Folinic with

> > 6mcg mB12 with it. I tried B2 alone and it made his lips flaming

red

> > and swollen. How do I get these balanced so he tolerates them?

>

>

> Keep giving him whatever dose he tolerates. Try to adjust them

every

> few weeks.

That sounds easy;). He also gets B6 and B1 that I forgot in my

prevous post. I'll try to find a child's multi and start there. If

I give them individually and try to go up that might cause problems

being that they are so out of whack. Thinking out loud...

>

>

> > I tried calcium, 200mg (350mg magnesium always) and he became

very

> > hyper.

>

>

> My son was hyper with calcium because he was calcium toxic.

However,

> if it is causing hyper for a child with known deficiency, consider

> giving it with increased magnesium and vitamin D.

I have tried IP6 before and he did well with it. I tend to give

supplements until they cause regression; I did not do that with the

IP6. I tried it agin this week for a few days and he did great on

it.

He gets 350 mg magnesium and I occasionally add Vit D to his

supplements. That should be enough?

>

> What are all the ingredients of the calcium supplement you are

giving?

Kirkmans Albion(aac) with 80IU vit D.

>

>

> >>I can tell he is calcium deficient because his finger and toe

> > nails are growing in with grooves and pits and are brittle.

>

>

> Check here for any other reasons for those issues

>

> http://www.skinatlas.com/nails.htm

>

> http://dermnetnz.org/hair-nails-sweat/nails.html

>

> http://www.pathlights.com/nr_encyclopedia/03extr02.htm

>

>

> >> Also, I

> > noticed he is getting white spots on his teeth.

I should clarify, it seems his teeth are not as white as they were

except for these spots on his teeth that seem to be as white as the

teeth were. The teeth maybe greying except for these white spots.

Clear as mud?

Thank you,

a

>

>

> Check here

>

> http://www.dentalgentlecare.com/what_ages_teeth.htm

>

> Dana

>

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> Dose may have been too high, that's what those things are for. I

> give 400mgc folinic a day. Maybe that could be higher?

For 1000mcg mB12, my kids needed 800mcg folic acid. I did not use

folinic.

> > >>he doesn't tolerate

> > > Biotin,

> >

> > What happens when you give it to him?

>

> 5mcg makes him tanrumy and angry, throwing, slamming objects.

Ouch!

Go here, see if anything triggers an idea for you

http://www.kroger.com/hn/Supp/Biotin.htm

Also, check for fillers or additives in the biotin supplement that

might have been the cause, rather than the biotin itself.

> I have tried IP6 before and he did well with it. I tend to give

> supplements until they cause regression; I did not do that with the

> IP6. I tried it agin this week for a few days and he did great on

> it.

>

> He gets 350 mg magnesium and I occasionally add Vit D to his

> supplements. That should be enough?

That *should* be enough.

If he does will with IP6, that is a sign he is calcium toxic.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > Dose may have been too high, that's what those things are for. I

> > give 400mgc folinic a day. Maybe that could be higher?

>

>

> For 1000mcg mB12, my kids needed 800mcg folic acid. I did not use

> folinic.

I will try adding back the B's that he tolerates first and go from

there. Is 800mcg folinic a day sn't too much, do you think?

>

>

> > > >>he doesn't tolerate

> > > > Biotin,

> > >

> > > What happens when you give it to him?

> >

> > 5mcg makes him tanrumy and angry, throwing, slamming objects.

>

>

> Ouch!

>

> Go here, see if anything triggers an idea for you

>

> http://www.kroger.com/hn/Supp/Biotin.htm

>

> Also, check for fillers or additives in the biotin supplement that

> might have been the cause, rather than the biotin itself.

No fillers/additives except cellulose and he does tolerate that.

I glanced at that site and the only thing I can think of is that he

needed chromium because of this glucose-insulin reaction and it

mentioned diabetes and biotin deficiency. So maybe I can go back and

reread that.

>

>

> > I have tried IP6 before and he did well with it. I tend to give

> > supplements until they cause regression; I did not do that with

the

> > IP6. I tried it agin this week for a few days and he did great

on

> > it.

> >

> > He gets 350 mg magnesium and I occasionally add Vit D to his

> > supplements. That should be enough?

>

>

> That *should* be enough.

>

> If he does will with IP6, that is a sign he is calcium toxic.

Yes. He is doing really well with it now. I wish there was a

blinking light that told me when to stop it.

Is it ok to give calcium and IP6 at the same time???

Hey, BTW, did you turn to the left or the right when you did your

yeast-be-gone cantation?

Thanks, Dana

a

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> I will try adding back the B's that he tolerates first and go from

> there. Is 800mcg folinic a day sn't too much, do you think?

Well, for a period of time my kids needed 1600mcg folic acid, so

800mcg folic acid is not necessarily " too much " , depending on the child.

I don't know about folinic.

> > If he does will with IP6, that is a sign he is calcium toxic.

>

> Yes. He is doing really well with it now. I wish there was a

> blinking light that told me when to stop it.

For my son, he was doing really well for several months, then after

one dose he became totally defiant and very difficult. That was his

sign to remove it. I had to give him two doses of a multi-mineral

supplement, then he was fine.

> Is it ok to give calcium and IP6 at the same time???

If you are trying to remove other minerals, but not calcium, that

would be okay. But give them apart, not together.

> Hey, BTW, did you turn to the left or the right when you did your

> yeast-be-gone cantation?

First counter-clockwise, then a second time clockwise. If you find

the other way works better, let me know.

=)

Dana