Re: New findings regarding autism

[Guest guest]

I'm happy you enjoyed the Geiers videos on FAIR Autism Media!

BTW, FAIR Autism Media recently hosted a lecture that the Geiers gave in

Chicagoland last

month. They presented all their data on mercury/testosterone, etc. and used a

video

projector with a power point presentation, etc. It went very well.

I'm currently editing that video and will make it available online in about two

more weeks.

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>

> Dr. Mark Geier and his son, , were in town to testify before

> the Kansas Senate regarding Kansas Bill Subject No. 537, authored by

> Senator Hensley. The bill reads as such, " Children 8 years

> old or under and knowingly pregnant women; shall not receive vaccine

> containing mercury; exemptions; actual or potential public health

> emergency or actual or potential bioterrorist incident. Penalties

> and civil liability listed. " http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-

> billSubj/searchBillNumber.do;jsessionid=47708B5F42E22CEBF5F8086A532A8

> E8F

>

> While in town, Dr. Geier and were invited to speak at the

> Autism Asperger Resource Center. As this was an impromptu visit,

> they did not have handouts but did have their computer with

> powerpoint. I frantically wrote and wrote to take notes. Since then,

> I have found a similar presentation (that they had given in the

> recent past) online at http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

> You will find it very valuable to go listen to all four segments of

> this talk

>

> They feel they have found a definite link in high levels of

> testosterone and autism (which are affected by mercury from

> vaccines). That is simplifying it too much to make that general

> statement, but it all has to do with a genetic link that prevents

> normal metabolism of certain enzymes that eventually affect

> testosterone levels (increasing them). Testosterone binds to

> mercury and increases levels left in the body. Autistics cannot get

> rid of mercury in their urine like " normal " people. It's a vicious

> cycle that makes more sense when you listen to the video.

>

> I do have written notes that may fill in some of the gaps that

> aren't in this video presentation if you would want them. Just let

> me know.

>

> Oral chelating therapy has been used in the past by many

> (successfully and unsuccessfully because it binds loose mercury but

> not imbedded mercury), but Dr. Mark Geier recommends an additional

> treatment to this protocol. He has treated eleven children (ages 4-

> 9) from November 2004 through February 2005 using Lupron Depot

> (there is an eligibility assessment for enrollment in the test

> program). Lupron decreases the body's production of testosterone.

> Testosterone suppression might increase the efficacy of chelation to

> remove mercury. MARKED RESULTS HAVE COME ABOUT in the test

> subjects. Cognitive and sociability have improved dramatically in

> the children being tested. He presented pictures and school reports

> of pre- and post- treatment children. One 9 year old student went

> from nonverbal, flat affect, who couldn't even balance to sit in a

> swing, who was only able to master a hand full of skills on his

> school assessment, to becoming a talking, communicative student who

> has mastered 90% of the skills for his age level at school now,

> and " asks " to be pushed in the swing.

>

> Administering Lupron does not come without its problems. The

> question arises " What happens to a child receiving Lupron when

> he/she is supposed to naturally be going through puberty? " Because

> this study has only gone on for a short time, that question cannot

> be answered yet in how to handle that. They are currently doing

> trials on 13 and 14 year olds. Also, the question arises, " When do

> we stop administering the Lupron, or can we/should we? " It is also

> costly, about $1500/month but HMO's currently pick up on the cost.

>

> On July 7, 1999 the American Academy of Pediatrics and the US Public

> Health Service issued a joint statement calling for the removal of

> thimerosal from vaccines, prompted by a risk assessment from the

> FDA. However, they are working very slowly at acting on this

> recommendation. Currently, six states have legislation banning

> vaccines with thimerosal (Missouri, Iowa, California, Delaware,

> Illinois, and New York). England has banned it since August of

> 2004. The incidence of new cases of autism in these areas has

> rapidly decreased.

>

> They are suspiciuos that this finding could even have implications

> with diseases like Alzheimers' where it has been proven in the

> brains of corpses that they had elevated levels of heavy metals.

>

[Guest guest]

I HAVE A 14 YR OLD AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW AND IF WE COULD BE A PART OF THEIR

STUDY.

THANKS

[ ] New findings regarding autism

Dr. Mark Geier and his son, , were in town to testify before

the Kansas Senate regarding Kansas Bill Subject No. 537, authored by

Senator Hensley. The bill reads as such, " Children 8 years

old or under and knowingly pregnant women; shall not receive vaccine

containing mercury; exemptions; actual or potential public health

emergency or actual or potential bioterrorist incident. Penalties

and civil liability listed. " http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-

billSubj/searchBillNumber.do;jsessionid=47708B5F42E22CEBF5F8086A532A8

E8F

While in town, Dr. Geier and were invited to speak at the

Autism Asperger Resource Center. As this was an impromptu visit,

they did not have handouts but did have their computer with

powerpoint. I frantically wrote and wrote to take notes. Since then,

I have found a similar presentation (that they had given in the

recent past) online at http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

You will find it very valuable to go listen to all four segments of

this talk

They feel they have found a definite link in high levels of

testosterone and autism (which are affected by mercury from

vaccines). That is simplifying it too much to make that general

statement, but it all has to do with a genetic link that prevents

normal metabolism of certain enzymes that eventually affect

testosterone levels (increasing them). Testosterone binds to

mercury and increases levels left in the body. Autistics cannot get

rid of mercury in their urine like " normal " people. It's a vicious

cycle that makes more sense when you listen to the video.

I do have written notes that may fill in some of the gaps that

aren't in this video presentation if you would want them. Just let

me know.

Oral chelating therapy has been used in the past by many

(successfully and unsuccessfully because it binds loose mercury but

not imbedded mercury), but Dr. Mark Geier recommends an additional

treatment to this protocol. He has treated eleven children (ages 4-

9) from November 2004 through February 2005 using Lupron Depot

(there is an eligibility assessment for enrollment in the test

program). Lupron decreases the body's production of testosterone.

Testosterone suppression might increase the efficacy of chelation to

remove mercury. MARKED RESULTS HAVE COME ABOUT in the test

subjects. Cognitive and sociability have improved dramatically in

the children being tested. He presented pictures and school reports

of pre- and post- treatment children. One 9 year old student went

from nonverbal, flat affect, who couldn't even balance to sit in a

swing, who was only able to master a hand full of skills on his

school assessment, to becoming a talking, communicative student who

has mastered 90% of the skills for his age level at school now,

and " asks " to be pushed in the swing.

Administering Lupron does not come without its problems. The

question arises " What happens to a child receiving Lupron when

he/she is supposed to naturally be going through puberty? " Because

this study has only gone on for a short time, that question cannot

be answered yet in how to handle that. They are currently doing

trials on 13 and 14 year olds. Also, the question arises, " When do

we stop administering the Lupron, or can we/should we? " It is also

costly, about $1500/month but HMO's currently pick up on the cost.

On July 7, 1999 the American Academy of Pediatrics and the US Public

Health Service issued a joint statement calling for the removal of

thimerosal from vaccines, prompted by a risk assessment from the

FDA. However, they are working very slowly at acting on this

recommendation. Currently, six states have legislation banning

vaccines with thimerosal (Missouri, Iowa, California, Delaware,

Illinois, and New York). England has banned it since August of

2004. The incidence of new cases of autism in these areas has

rapidly decreased.

They are suspiciuos that this finding could even have implications

with diseases like Alzheimers' where it has been proven in the

brains of corpses that they had elevated levels of heavy metals.

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Thinking they have to be under 12, Ed.

[ ] New findings regarding autism

Dr. Mark Geier and his son, , were in town to testify before

the Kansas Senate regarding Kansas Bill Subject No. 537, authored by

Senator Hensley. The bill reads as such, " Children 8 years

old or under and knowingly pregnant women; shall not receive vaccine

containing mercury; exemptions; actual or potential public health

emergency or actual or potential bioterrorist incident. Penalties

and civil liability listed. " http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-

billSubj/searchBillNumber.do;jsessionid=47708B5F42E22CEBF5F8086A532A8

E8F

While in town, Dr. Geier and were invited to speak at the

Autism Asperger Resource Center. As this was an impromptu visit,

they did not have handouts but did have their computer with

powerpoint. I frantically wrote and wrote to take notes. Since then,

I have found a similar presentation (that they had given in the

recent past) online at http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

You will find it very valuable to go listen to all four segments of

this talk

They feel they have found a definite link in high levels of

testosterone and autism (which are affected by mercury from

vaccines). That is simplifying it too much to make that general

statement, but it all has to do with a genetic link that prevents

normal metabolism of certain enzymes that eventually affect

testosterone levels (increasing them). Testosterone binds to

mercury and increases levels left in the body. Autistics cannot get

rid of mercury in their urine like " normal " people. It's a vicious

cycle that makes more sense when you listen to the video.

I do have written notes that may fill in some of the gaps that

aren't in this video presentation if you would want them. Just let

me know.

Oral chelating therapy has been used in the past by many

(successfully and unsuccessfully because it binds loose mercury but

not imbedded mercury), but Dr. Mark Geier recommends an additional

treatment to this protocol. He has treated eleven children (ages 4-

9) from November 2004 through February 2005 using Lupron Depot

(there is an eligibility assessment for enrollment in the test

program). Lupron decreases the body's production of testosterone.

Testosterone suppression might increase the efficacy of chelation to

remove mercury. MARKED RESULTS HAVE COME ABOUT in the test

subjects. Cognitive and sociability have improved dramatically in

the children being tested. He presented pictures and school reports

of pre- and post- treatment children. One 9 year old student went

from nonverbal, flat affect, who couldn't even balance to sit in a

swing, who was only able to master a hand full of skills on his

school assessment, to becoming a talking, communicative student who

has mastered 90% of the skills for his age level at school now,

and " asks " to be pushed in the swing.

Administering Lupron does not come without its problems. The

question arises " What happens to a child receiving Lupron when

he/she is supposed to naturally be going through puberty? " Because

this study has only gone on for a short time, that question cannot

be answered yet in how to handle that. They are currently doing

trials on 13 and 14 year olds. Also, the question arises, " When do

we stop administering the Lupron, or can we/should we? " It is also

costly, about $1500/month but HMO's currently pick up on the cost.

On July 7, 1999 the American Academy of Pediatrics and the US Public

Health Service issued a joint statement calling for the removal of

thimerosal from vaccines, prompted by a risk assessment from the

FDA. However, they are working very slowly at acting on this

recommendation. Currently, six states have legislation banning

vaccines with thimerosal (Missouri, Iowa, California, Delaware,

Illinois, and New York). England has banned it since August of

2004. The incidence of new cases of autism in these areas has

rapidly decreased.

They are suspiciuos that this finding could even have implications

with diseases like Alzheimers' where it has been proven in the

brains of corpses that they had elevated levels of heavy metals.

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Hi,

If you read the article below they are currently doing a study on 13 and 14 year

olds.

Does anyone have their web page?

[ ] New findings regarding autism

Dr. Mark Geier and his son, , were in town to testify before

the Kansas Senate regarding Kansas Bill Subject No. 537, authored by

Senator Hensley. The bill reads as such, " Children 8 years

old or under and knowingly pregnant women; shall not receive vaccine

containing mercury; exemptions; actual or potential public health

emergency or actual or potential bioterrorist incident. Penalties

and civil liability listed. " http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-

billSubj/searchBillNumber.do;jsessionid=47708B5F42E22CEBF5F8086A532A8

E8F

While in town, Dr. Geier and were invited to speak at the

Autism Asperger Resource Center. As this was an impromptu visit,

they did not have handouts but did have their computer with

powerpoint. I frantically wrote and wrote to take notes. Since then,

I have found a similar presentation (that they had given in the

recent past) online at http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

You will find it very valuable to go listen to all four segments of

this talk

They feel they have found a definite link in high levels of

testosterone and autism (which are affected by mercury from

vaccines). That is simplifying it too much to make that general

statement, but it all has to do with a genetic link that prevents

normal metabolism of certain enzymes that eventually affect

testosterone levels (increasing them). Testosterone binds to

mercury and increases levels left in the body. Autistics cannot get

rid of mercury in their urine like " normal " people. It's a vicious

cycle that makes more sense when you listen to the video.

I do have written notes that may fill in some of the gaps that

aren't in this video presentation if you would want them. Just let

me know.

Oral chelating therapy has been used in the past by many

(successfully and unsuccessfully because it binds loose mercury but

not imbedded mercury), but Dr. Mark Geier recommends an additional

treatment to this protocol. He has treated eleven children (ages 4-

9) from November 2004 through February 2005 using Lupron Depot

(there is an eligibility assessment for enrollment in the test

program). Lupron decreases the body's production of testosterone.

Testosterone suppression might increase the efficacy of chelation to

remove mercury. MARKED RESULTS HAVE COME ABOUT in the test

subjects. Cognitive and sociability have improved dramatically in

the children being tested. He presented pictures and school reports

of pre- and post- treatment children. One 9 year old student went

from nonverbal, flat affect, who couldn't even balance to sit in a

swing, who was only able to master a hand full of skills on his

school assessment, to becoming a talking, communicative student who

has mastered 90% of the skills for his age level at school now,

and " asks " to be pushed in the swing.

Administering Lupron does not come without its problems. The

question arises " What happens to a child receiving Lupron when

he/she is supposed to naturally be going through puberty? " Because

this study has only gone on for a short time, that question cannot

be answered yet in how to handle that. They are currently doing

trials on 13 and 14 year olds. Also, the question arises, " When do

we stop administering the Lupron, or can we/should we? " It is also

costly, about $1500/month but HMO's currently pick up on the cost.

On July 7, 1999 the American Academy of Pediatrics and the US Public

Health Service issued a joint statement calling for the removal of

thimerosal from vaccines, prompted by a risk assessment from the

FDA. However, they are working very slowly at acting on this

recommendation. Currently, six states have legislation banning

vaccines with thimerosal (Missouri, Iowa, California, Delaware,

Illinois, and New York). England has banned it since August of

2004. The incidence of new cases of autism in these areas has

rapidly decreased.

They are suspiciuos that this finding could even have implications

with diseases like Alzheimers' where it has been proven in the

brains of corpses that they had elevated levels of heavy metals.

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if we pass this information to our respective DAN doctors

(especially those DANs who are MDs), if they will :

1. Test for high testosterone

2. Prescribe Lupron Depot

I've heard & read that Lupron Depot is used for kids who go to puberty too

quickly so its known to be safe (to the best of my little knowledge).

This is exciting and encouraging. I am about to start chelation for my 5 y.o.

boy and its good to know that there is hope beyond pure chelation.

Thanks " Autiemom4 " !

Ed <torresd61@...> wrote:

Hi,

If you read the article below they are currently doing a study on 13 and 14 year

olds.

Does anyone have their web page?

[ ] New findings regarding autism

Dr. Mark Geier and his son, , were in town to testify before

the Kansas Senate regarding Kansas Bill Subject No. 537, authored by

Senator Hensley. The bill reads as such, " Children 8 years

old or under and knowingly pregnant women; shall not receive vaccine

containing mercury; exemptions; actual or potential public health

emergency or actual or potential bioterrorist incident. Penalties

and civil liability listed. " http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-

billSubj/searchBillNumber.do;jsessionid=47708B5F42E22CEBF5F8086A532A8

E8F

While in town, Dr. Geier and were invited to speak at the

Autism Asperger Resource Center. As this was an impromptu visit,

they did not have handouts but did have their computer with

powerpoint. I frantically wrote and wrote to take notes. Since then,

I have found a similar presentation (that they had given in the

recent past) online at http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

You will find it very valuable to go listen to all four segments of

this talk

They feel they have found a definite link in high levels of

testosterone and autism (which are affected by mercury from

vaccines). That is simplifying it too much to make that general

statement, but it all has to do with a genetic link that prevents

normal metabolism of certain enzymes that eventually affect

testosterone levels (increasing them). Testosterone binds to

mercury and increases levels left in the body. Autistics cannot get

rid of mercury in their urine like " normal " people. It's a vicious

cycle that makes more sense when you listen to the video.

I do have written notes that may fill in some of the gaps that

aren't in this video presentation if you would want them. Just let

me know.

Oral chelating therapy has been used in the past by many

(successfully and unsuccessfully because it binds loose mercury but

not imbedded mercury), but Dr. Mark Geier recommends an additional

treatment to this protocol. He has treated eleven children (ages 4-

9) from November 2004 through February 2005 using Lupron Depot

(there is an eligibility assessment for enrollment in the test

program). Lupron decreases the body's production of testosterone.

Testosterone suppression might increase the efficacy of chelation to

remove mercury. MARKED RESULTS HAVE COME ABOUT in the test

subjects. Cognitive and sociability have improved dramatically in

the children being tested. He presented pictures and school reports

of pre- and post- treatment children. One 9 year old student went

from nonverbal, flat affect, who couldn't even balance to sit in a

swing, who was only able to master a hand full of skills on his

school assessment, to becoming a talking, communicative student who

has mastered 90% of the skills for his age level at school now,

and " asks " to be pushed in the swing.

Administering Lupron does not come without its problems. The

question arises " What happens to a child receiving Lupron when

he/she is supposed to naturally be going through puberty? " Because

this study has only gone on for a short time, that question cannot

be answered yet in how to handle that. They are currently doing

trials on 13 and 14 year olds. Also, the question arises, " When do

we stop administering the Lupron, or can we/should we? " It is also

costly, about $1500/month but HMO's currently pick up on the cost.

On July 7, 1999 the American Academy of Pediatrics and the US Public

Health Service issued a joint statement calling for the removal of

thimerosal from vaccines, prompted by a risk assessment from the

FDA. However, they are working very slowly at acting on this

recommendation. Currently, six states have legislation banning

vaccines with thimerosal (Missouri, Iowa, California, Delaware,

Illinois, and New York). England has banned it since August of

2004. The incidence of new cases of autism in these areas has

rapidly decreased.

They are suspiciuos that this finding could even have implications

with diseases like Alzheimers' where it has been proven in the

brains of corpses that they had elevated levels of heavy metals.

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Talk to Andy, he seems to think that there are reasons not to use Lupron. Drs

use lots of drugs that aren't necessarily good for people, think about the

cholesterol drugs that do lower cholesterol, but cause liver disease in an

alarming number of people.

[ ] New findings regarding autism

Dr. Mark Geier and his son, , were in town to testify before

the Kansas Senate regarding Kansas Bill Subject No. 537, authored by

Senator Hensley. The bill reads as such, " Children 8 years

old or under and knowingly pregnant women; shall not receive vaccine

containing mercury; exemptions; actual or potential public health

emergency or actual or potential bioterrorist incident. Penalties

and civil liability listed. " http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-

billSubj/searchBillNumber.do;jsessionid=47708B5F42E22CEBF5F8086A532A8

E8F

While in town, Dr. Geier and were invited to speak at the

Autism Asperger Resource Center. As this was an impromptu visit,

they did not have handouts but did have their computer with

powerpoint. I frantically wrote and wrote to take notes. Since then,

I have found a similar presentation (that they had given in the

recent past) online at http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

You will find it very valuable to go listen to all four segments of

this talk

They feel they have found a definite link in high levels of

testosterone and autism (which are affected by mercury from

vaccines). That is simplifying it too much to make that general

statement, but it all has to do with a genetic link that prevents

normal metabolism of certain enzymes that eventually affect

testosterone levels (increasing them). Testosterone binds to

mercury and increases levels left in the body. Autistics cannot get

rid of mercury in their urine like " normal " people. It's a vicious

cycle that makes more sense when you listen to the video.

I do have written notes that may fill in some of the gaps that

aren't in this video presentation if you would want them. Just let

me know.

Oral chelating therapy has been used in the past by many

(successfully and unsuccessfully because it binds loose mercury but

not imbedded mercury), but Dr. Mark Geier recommends an additional

treatment to this protocol. He has treated eleven children (ages 4-

9) from November 2004 through February 2005 using Lupron Depot

(there is an eligibility assessment for enrollment in the test

program). Lupron decreases the body's production of testosterone.

Testosterone suppression might increase the efficacy of chelation to

remove mercury. MARKED RESULTS HAVE COME ABOUT in the test

subjects. Cognitive and sociability have improved dramatically in

the children being tested. He presented pictures and school reports

of pre- and post- treatment children. One 9 year old student went

from nonverbal, flat affect, who couldn't even balance to sit in a

swing, who was only able to master a hand full of skills on his

school assessment, to becoming a talking, communicative student who

has mastered 90% of the skills for his age level at school now,

and " asks " to be pushed in the swing.

Administering Lupron does not come without its problems. The

question arises " What happens to a child receiving Lupron when

he/she is supposed to naturally be going through puberty? " Because

this study has only gone on for a short time, that question cannot

be answered yet in how to handle that. They are currently doing

trials on 13 and 14 year olds. Also, the question arises, " When do

we stop administering the Lupron, or can we/should we? " It is also

costly, about $1500/month but HMO's currently pick up on the cost.

On July 7, 1999 the American Academy of Pediatrics and the US Public

Health Service issued a joint statement calling for the removal of

thimerosal from vaccines, prompted by a risk assessment from the

FDA. However, they are working very slowly at acting on this

recommendation. Currently, six states have legislation banning

vaccines with thimerosal (Missouri, Iowa, California, Delaware,

Illinois, and New York). England has banned it since August of

2004. The incidence of new cases of autism in these areas has

rapidly decreased.

They are suspiciuos that this finding could even have implications

with diseases like Alzheimers' where it has been proven in the

brains of corpses that they had elevated levels of heavy metals.

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

I have two sons with autism. I have tested both of their

testosterone levels. They were completely normal. So not every child

with autism has elevated testosterone. FWIW, Perrin

> Hi,

> If you read the article below they are currently doing a study on

13 and 14 year olds.

> Does anyone have their web page?

> [ ] New findings regarding autism

>

>

> Dr. Mark Geier and his son, , were in town to testify

before

> the Kansas Senate regarding Kansas Bill Subject No. 537,

authored by

> Senator Hensley. The bill reads as such, " Children

8 years

> old or under and knowingly pregnant women; shall not receive

vaccine

> containing mercury; exemptions; actual or potential public

health

> emergency or actual or potential bioterrorist incident.

Penalties

> and civil liability listed. "

http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-

>

billSubj/searchBillNumber.do;jsessionid=47708B5F42E22CEBF5F8086A532A8

> E8F

>

> While in town, Dr. Geier and were invited to speak at

the

> Autism Asperger Resource Center. As this was an impromptu

visit,

> they did not have handouts but did have their computer with

> powerpoint. I frantically wrote and wrote to take notes.

Since then,

> I have found a similar presentation (that they had given in

the

> recent past) online at

http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

> You will find it very valuable to go listen to all four

segments of

> this talk

>

> They feel they have found a definite link in high levels of

> testosterone and autism (which are affected by mercury from

> vaccines). That is simplifying it too much to make that

general

> statement, but it all has to do with a genetic link that

prevents

> normal metabolism of certain enzymes that eventually affect

> testosterone levels (increasing them). Testosterone binds

to

> mercury and increases levels left in the body. Autistics

cannot get

> rid of mercury in their urine like " normal " people. It's a

vicious

> cycle that makes more sense when you listen to the video.

>

> I do have written notes that may fill in some of the gaps

that

> aren't in this video presentation if you would want them.

Just let

> me know.

>

> Oral chelating therapy has been used in the past by many

> (successfully and unsuccessfully because it binds loose

mercury but

> not imbedded mercury), but Dr. Mark Geier recommends an

additional

> treatment to this protocol. He has treated eleven children

(ages 4-

> 9) from November 2004 through February 2005 using Lupron

Depot

> (there is an eligibility assessment for enrollment in the

test

> program). Lupron decreases the body's production of

testosterone.

> Testosterone suppression might increase the efficacy of

chelation to

> remove mercury. MARKED RESULTS HAVE COME ABOUT in the test

> subjects. Cognitive and sociability have improved

dramatically in

> the children being tested. He presented pictures and school

reports

> of pre- and post- treatment children. One 9 year old

student went

> from nonverbal, flat affect, who couldn't even balance to

sit in a

> swing, who was only able to master a hand full of skills on

his

> school assessment, to becoming a talking, communicative

student who

> has mastered 90% of the skills for his age level at school

now,

> and " asks " to be pushed in the swing.

>

> Administering Lupron does not come without its problems.

The

> question arises " What happens to a child receiving Lupron

when

> he/she is supposed to naturally be going through puberty? "

Because

> this study has only gone on for a short time, that question

cannot

> be answered yet in how to handle that. They are currently

doing

> trials on 13 and 14 year olds. Also, the question

arises, " When do

> we stop administering the Lupron, or can we/should we? " It

is also

> costly, about $1500/month but HMO's currently pick up on the

cost.

>

> On July 7, 1999 the American Academy of Pediatrics and the

US Public

> Health Service issued a joint statement calling for the

removal of

> thimerosal from vaccines, prompted by a risk assessment from

the

> FDA. However, they are working very slowly at acting on

this

> recommendation. Currently, six states have legislation

banning

> vaccines with thimerosal (Missouri, Iowa, California,

Delaware,

> Illinois, and New York). England has banned it since August

of

> 2004. The incidence of new cases of autism in these areas

has

> rapidly decreased.

>

> They are suspiciuos that this finding could even have

implications

> with diseases like Alzheimers' where it has been proven in

the

> brains of corpses that they had elevated levels of heavy

metals.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

My main question with lowering testosterone with lupron is if the

benefit of putting off puberty is really that beneficial. It seems to

me if the body goes into puberty earlier than what is typical, it's

still a natural process and to stop that process might be more harmful

than letting it happen earlier. Also, to me, there is something to

consider in that it might be a way for the body to try and heal

itself. But then again, I'm only coming from more of a philosophical

standpoint and have absolutely no medical reasoning, so I could be

completely wrong.

Debi

>

> Talk to Andy, he seems to think that there are reasons not to use

Lupron. Drs use lots of drugs that aren't necessarily good for people,

think about the cholesterol drugs that do lower cholesterol, but cause

liver disease in an alarming number of people.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Debi;

The last video on that link seemed to suggest that puberty onset is

much earlier than it used to be, implying that mercury may even be

responsible for the " precocious puberty " .

My autistic boy is pretty macho if you dig. I don't think it would

hurt him any to reduce testosterone a bit, especially as he's not even

4 years old yet.

In any case I was looking for more natural methods to lower

testosterone. Licorice came up with a lot of hits but it appears to

raise blood pressure, which I don't like.

Any thoughts?

Mark

> >

> > Talk to Andy, he seems to think that there are reasons not to use

> Lupron. Drs use lots of drugs that aren't necessarily good for people,

> think about the cholesterol drugs that do lower cholesterol, but cause

> liver disease in an alarming number of people.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I considered using Lupron for endometriosis. It is a powerful

drug that suppresses pituitary function.

It can have horrendous side effects for some adults. I have

never heard of its use in children. I considered using it

as a treatment for endometriosis, but decided not to. Some

people have good results with it. Some people have horrible

results.

Lupron is given as a " depot " injection, meaning it is a dose

that lasts a few months - so once you take the shot, there's

no turning back.

Look it up on the web. There are plenty of reports of

problems.

--

>

> Dr. Mark Geier and his son, , were in town to testify before

> the Kansas Senate regarding Kansas Bill Subject No. 537, authored by

> Senator Hensley. The bill reads as such, " Children 8 years

> old or under and knowingly pregnant women; shall not receive vaccine

> containing mercury; exemptions; actual or potential public health

> emergency or actual or potential bioterrorist incident. Penalties

> and civil liability listed. " http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-

> billSubj/searchBillNumber.do;jsessionid=47708B5F42E22CEBF5F8086A532A8

> E8F

>

> While in town, Dr. Geier and were invited to speak at the

> Autism Asperger Resource Center. As this was an impromptu visit,

> they did not have handouts but did have their computer with

> powerpoint. I frantically wrote and wrote to take notes. Since then,

> I have found a similar presentation (that they had given in the

> recent past) online at http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

> You will find it very valuable to go listen to all four segments of

> this talk

>

> They feel they have found a definite link in high levels of

> testosterone and autism (which are affected by mercury from

> vaccines). That is simplifying it too much to make that general

> statement, but it all has to do with a genetic link that prevents

> normal metabolism of certain enzymes that eventually affect

> testosterone levels (increasing them). Testosterone binds to

> mercury and increases levels left in the body. Autistics cannot get

> rid of mercury in their urine like " normal " people. It's a vicious

> cycle that makes more sense when you listen to the video.

>

> I do have written notes that may fill in some of the gaps that

> aren't in this video presentation if you would want them. Just let

> me know.

>

> Oral chelating therapy has been used in the past by many

> (successfully and unsuccessfully because it binds loose mercury but

> not imbedded mercury), but Dr. Mark Geier recommends an additional

> treatment to this protocol. He has treated eleven children (ages 4-

> 9) from November 2004 through February 2005 using Lupron Depot

> (there is an eligibility assessment for enrollment in the test

> program). Lupron decreases the body's production of testosterone.

> Testosterone suppression might increase the efficacy of chelation to

> remove mercury. MARKED RESULTS HAVE COME ABOUT in the test

> subjects. Cognitive and sociability have improved dramatically in

> the children being tested. He presented pictures and school reports

> of pre- and post- treatment children. One 9 year old student went

> from nonverbal, flat affect, who couldn't even balance to sit in a

> swing, who was only able to master a hand full of skills on his

> school assessment, to becoming a talking, communicative student who

> has mastered 90% of the skills for his age level at school now,

> and " asks " to be pushed in the swing.

>

> Administering Lupron does not come without its problems. The

> question arises " What happens to a child receiving Lupron when

> he/she is supposed to naturally be going through puberty? " Because

> this study has only gone on for a short time, that question cannot

> be answered yet in how to handle that. They are currently doing

> trials on 13 and 14 year olds. Also, the question arises, " When do

> we stop administering the Lupron, or can we/should we? " It is also

> costly, about $1500/month but HMO's currently pick up on the cost.

>

> On July 7, 1999 the American Academy of Pediatrics and the US Public

> Health Service issued a joint statement calling for the removal of

> thimerosal from vaccines, prompted by a risk assessment from the

> FDA. However, they are working very slowly at acting on this

> recommendation. Currently, six states have legislation banning

> vaccines with thimerosal (Missouri, Iowa, California, Delaware,

> Illinois, and New York). England has banned it since August of

> 2004. The incidence of new cases of autism in these areas has

> rapidly decreased.

>

> They are suspiciuos that this finding could even have implications

> with diseases like Alzheimers' where it has been proven in the

> brains of corpses that they had elevated levels of heavy metals.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I also enjoyed the Geier video. I believe that your organization provides a

vital

service.

Could you alert us when that new video is available?

Thanks,

Orelindel

>

> I'm happy you enjoyed the Geiers videos on FAIR Autism Media!

>

> BTW, FAIR Autism Media recently hosted a lecture that the Geiers gave in

Chicagoland last

> month. They presented all their data on mercury/testosterone, etc. and used

a video

> projector with a power point presentation, etc. It went very well.

>

> I'm currently editing that video and will make it available online in about

two

more weeks.

> If you want to receive our newsletter, visit http://www.autismmedia.org/ and

click on the

> button to subscribe to our mailing list.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Nanstiel

> Administrative Director,

> Foundation for Autism Information & Research, Inc.

> (aka FAIR Autism Media, a 501©(3) organization

> http://www.autismmedia.org/

>

[Guest guest]

I did use Lupron Depot for my endometriosis for a little over a

year. It was the worse year of my life!!!!For a woman with

endometriosis it puts the body into menopause and it was like hitting

the menopausal brick wall. I would never consider giving it to my

son, not in a million years. You put something that powerful in

their bodies and there have got to be long term side effects. It is

not just boys that are going into puberty early. NT are too, they

better start looking at the growth hormones they put into are meat

supply. Certainly there must be some natural alternatives to

reducing levels of testosterone. Just my two cents.

In , " " <sage@...> wrote:

>

> I considered using Lupron for endometriosis. It is a powerful

> drug that suppresses pituitary function.

>

> It can have horrendous side effects for some adults. I have

> never heard of its use in children. I considered using it

> as a treatment for endometriosis, but decided not to. Some

> people have good results with it. Some people have horrible

> results.

>

> Lupron is given as a " depot " injection, meaning it is a dose

> that lasts a few months - so once you take the shot, there's

> no turning back.

>

> Look it up on the web. There are plenty of reports of

> problems.

>

> --

>

>

>

> >

> > Dr. Mark Geier and his son, , were in town to testify before

> > the Kansas Senate regarding Kansas Bill Subject No. 537, authored

by

> > Senator Hensley. The bill reads as such, " Children 8

years

> > old or under and knowingly pregnant women; shall not receive

vaccine

> > containing mercury; exemptions; actual or potential public health

> > emergency or actual or potential bioterrorist incident. Penalties

> > and civil liability listed. " http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-

> >

billSubj/searchBillNumber.do;jsessionid=47708B5F42E22CEBF5F8086A532A8

> > E8F

> >

> > While in town, Dr. Geier and were invited to speak at the

> > Autism Asperger Resource Center. As this was an impromptu visit,

> > they did not have handouts but did have their computer with

> > powerpoint. I frantically wrote and wrote to take notes. Since

then,

> > I have found a similar presentation (that they had given in the

> > recent past) online at http://www.autismmedia.org/media4.html

> > You will find it very valuable to go listen to all four segments

of

> > this talk

> >

> > They feel they have found a definite link in high levels of

> > testosterone and autism (which are affected by mercury from

> > vaccines). That is simplifying it too much to make that general

> > statement, but it all has to do with a genetic link that prevents

> > normal metabolism of certain enzymes that eventually affect

> > testosterone levels (increasing them). Testosterone binds to

> > mercury and increases levels left in the body. Autistics cannot

get

> > rid of mercury in their urine like " normal " people. It's a

vicious

> > cycle that makes more sense when you listen to the video.

> >

> > I do have written notes that may fill in some of the gaps that

> > aren't in this video presentation if you would want them. Just

let

> > me know.

> >

> > Oral chelating therapy has been used in the past by many

> > (successfully and unsuccessfully because it binds loose mercury

but

> > not imbedded mercury), but Dr. Mark Geier recommends an

additional

> > treatment to this protocol. He has treated eleven children (ages

4-

> > 9) from November 2004 through February 2005 using Lupron Depot

> > (there is an eligibility assessment for enrollment in the test

> > program). Lupron decreases the body's production of

testosterone.

> > Testosterone suppression might increase the efficacy of chelation

to

> > remove mercury. MARKED RESULTS HAVE COME ABOUT in the test

> > subjects. Cognitive and sociability have improved dramatically

in

> > the children being tested. He presented pictures and school

reports

> > of pre- and post- treatment children. One 9 year old student

went

> > from nonverbal, flat affect, who couldn't even balance to sit in

a

> > swing, who was only able to master a hand full of skills on his

> > school assessment, to becoming a talking, communicative student

who

> > has mastered 90% of the skills for his age level at school now,

> > and " asks " to be pushed in the swing.

> >

> > Administering Lupron does not come without its problems. The

> > question arises " What happens to a child receiving Lupron when

> > he/she is supposed to naturally be going through puberty? "

Because

> > this study has only gone on for a short time, that question

cannot

> > be answered yet in how to handle that. They are currently doing

> > trials on 13 and 14 year olds. Also, the question arises, " When

do

> > we stop administering the Lupron, or can we/should we? " It is

also

> > costly, about $1500/month but HMO's currently pick up on the cost.

> >

> > On July 7, 1999 the American Academy of Pediatrics and the US

Public

> > Health Service issued a joint statement calling for the removal

of

> > thimerosal from vaccines, prompted by a risk assessment from the

> > FDA. However, they are working very slowly at acting on this

> > recommendation. Currently, six states have legislation banning

> > vaccines with thimerosal (Missouri, Iowa, California, Delaware,

> > Illinois, and New York). England has banned it since August of

> > 2004. The incidence of new cases of autism in these areas has

> > rapidly decreased.

> >

> > They are suspiciuos that this finding could even have

implications

> > with diseases like Alzheimers' where it has been proven in the

> > brains of corpses that they had elevated levels of heavy metals.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How about all the hormones in the meat? The grass fed stuff is

incredibly expensive, at least for us. The milk is loaded with it,

though now we don't give it to the ASD kids. Not to mention the

hormones from the plastics. It is true that kids are maturing faster,

but I don't think some of it is " natural " . It is scary to be messing

with the hormones though.

M

[ ] Re: New findings regarding autism

Hi Debi;

The last video on that link seemed to suggest that puberty onset is

much earlier than it used to be, implying that mercury may even be

responsible for the " precocious puberty " .

My autistic boy is pretty macho if you dig. I don't think it would

hurt him any to reduce testosterone a bit, especially as he's not even

4 years old yet.

In any case I was looking for more natural methods to lower

testosterone. Licorice came up with a lot of hits but it appears to

raise blood pressure, which I don't like.

Any thoughts?

Mark

> >

> > Talk to Andy, he seems to think that there are reasons not to use

> Lupron. Drs use lots of drugs that aren't necessarily good for people,

> think about the cholesterol drugs that do lower cholesterol, but cause

> liver disease in an alarming number of people.

> >

> >

> >

>

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Mark,

I have thoughts on this!

My son, autistic, 5y.o. started playing with himself when he was around 2. We

thought it was harmless. We asked our pediatrician and he did not seem concerned

and told us " some kids just do this " and not to be concerned. The doctor should

have told us to test him for " CENTRAL PRECOCIOUS PUBERTY (CPP) " . What a loser!

One way to diagnose this is a blood test to determine the level of various

hormones in your child's bloodstream (including testosterone). See link below:

http://www.toosoon.com/Home.do

I have not had this test done but most likely will.

Anyway, to answer your question, I do know of a natural way to reduce

testosterone levels. You are probably already aware of it ------- methyl B-12

injections.

We started methyl B-12 injections in Dec 05. In Feb. 06 he is hardly playing

with himself! To be more graphic, he still rubs himself for 10 seconds and gets

bored.

If you listen to Dr. Grier's first video, he states that all the current

successful treatments for autism (chelation, MB12, secretin treatment, growth

hormone, Vitiamin A) ultimatley lower testosterone. Dr. Grier claim that

methods other than using Lupron are indirect, slower and not as effective. He

goes on to suggest that certain autistic patients (ones who have elevated

testosterone) should lower testosterone first, then chelate as it will be more

effective. Otherwise, the mercury will stay in their body.

I am still debating what to do myself. Specifically, how long has Lupron been

used? What are the possible side effects? By increasing MB12, will I

accomplish what Lupron does -- lowering testosterone and making chelation more

effective? Is Dr. Grier right in that Lupron is the most effective way to go?

In terms of cost, Lupron is VERY expensive. However, if a child is diagnosed

with " CENTRAL PRECOCIOUS PUBERTY (CPP) " , then most insurances DOES cover it.

One thing for sure -- I will have my son tested for testosterone levels. The

rest I'm not sure.

Regards.

redrackem <redrackem@...> wrote:

Hi Debi;

The last video on that link seemed to suggest that puberty onset is

much earlier than it used to be, implying that mercury may even be

responsible for the " precocious puberty " .

My autistic boy is pretty macho if you dig. I don't think it would

hurt him any to reduce testosterone a bit, especially as he's not even

4 years old yet.

In any case I was looking for more natural methods to lower

testosterone. Licorice came up with a lot of hits but it appears to

raise blood pressure, which I don't like.

Any thoughts?

Mark

> >

> > Talk to Andy, he seems to think that there are reasons not to use

> Lupron. Drs use lots of drugs that aren't necessarily good for people,

> think about the cholesterol drugs that do lower cholesterol, but cause

> liver disease in an alarming number of people.

> >

> >

> >

>

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

I've been reading up on this:

The condition is called " Central Precocious Puberty (CPP) " . Dr. Giers

findings suggest that this will occur in some Autistic kids because mercury

traps testosterone.

According to data all over the web about Central Precocious Puberty (CPP) --

the condition may lead height issues -- children may become short, grow hair

early, mature early which may lead to emotional isues -- kids make fun etc. See

link.

http://www.toosoon.com/Home.do

According to Dr. Grier, the stopping of this for some autistic kids is necessary

to more effectivley remove mercury.

He uses Lupron-Depot. I am trying to find out how safe that is.

Regards.

Debi <fightingautism@...> wrote:

My main question with lowering testosterone with lupron is if the

benefit of putting off puberty is really that beneficial. It seems to

me if the body goes into puberty earlier than what is typical, it's

still a natural process and to stop that process might be more harmful

than letting it happen earlier. Also, to me, there is something to

consider in that it might be a way for the body to try and heal

itself. But then again, I'm only coming from more of a philosophical

standpoint and have absolutely no medical reasoning, so I could be

completely wrong.

Debi

>

> Talk to Andy, he seems to think that there are reasons not to use

Lupron. Drs use lots of drugs that aren't necessarily good for people,

think about the cholesterol drugs that do lower cholesterol, but cause

liver disease in an alarming number of people.

>

>

>

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