Re: should I START CHELATIONS w/o docs BLESSING

[Guest guest]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it sounds a little like your doctor

is punishing your children for not progressing as fast as he would

like. If so, that's just wrong. Your children are not on trial.

Your children are not his employees, or his students. HE is the one

who is supposed to be providing services to YOU. If you've been

seeing him awhile and he has made no effort to investigate whether or

not they have mercury issues, I would say that he's the one who has

dropped the ball. Have you addressed chelation with him? If you can

still do so, and you still trust his advice, you might try giving him

one more chance to redeem himself. It would be a very good idea to

really read the files of this list first, so that you know what a

safe chelation protocol looks like before you see him. A lot of

doctor-supervised chelation protocols are shockingly risky. If he

suggests challenge tests, large amounts of chelator on a schedule

that doesn't keep a steady level in the blood, or IV chelation, you'd

be better off with another doctor, or doing this yourself using Andy

Cutler's protocol.

Blessings right back to you :-)

René

>

> My doctor has put our followups to every 3 months when we were

every

> 6 weeks. The nurse told me later that was because we were not

> experiencing as many improvements as before. Even though both kids

> have been getting improvements. They still have issues. He even

> stopped my oldest son's MB12 shots.

>

> My oldest is 6 with ADHD symptoms. The youngest is 3 with what the

> doc describes as high functioning autism.

>

> We have done MB12, glutathione, Vit. C, folinic acid, P5P

> w/magnesium, CoQ10, zinc, cod liver oil, and Diflucan. We have not

> done any DMSA or other chelation.

>

> I am Rh negative, alot of mercury fillings, breastfeed both

> children, and grewup in the 60s and 70s with mercury vaccines. My

> oldest had vaccines, but the youngest has not had one.

>

> Should I try chelations, such as DMSA, without my doctor's

> blessing? I'm a little afraid that I may hurt them, but I feel

that

> the doctor is kind of giving up.

>

> Blessings.

>

[Guest guest]

Many on this list are chelating on their own for the very reasons you describe.

Doing a DDI hair elements test (which you can do through DLS without a doc)

would help determine which chelator would be most useful for your children. ALA

chelates mercury and arsenic, DMSA chelates mercury (from body, not brain) and

lead.

S S

<tt>

My doctor has put our followups to every 3 months when we were every <BR>

6 weeks.  The nurse told me later that was because we were not <BR>

experiencing as many improvements as before.  Even though both kids <BR>

have been getting improvements.  They still have issues.  He even <BR>

stopped my oldest son's MB12 shots.  <BR>

<BR>

My oldest is 6 with ADHD symptoms.  The youngest is 3 with what the <BR>

doc describes as high functioning autism.<BR>

<BR>

We have done MB12, glutathione, Vit. C, folinic acid, P5P <BR>

w/magnesium, CoQ10, zinc, cod liver oil, and Diflucan.  We have not <BR>

done any DMSA or other chelation.  <BR>

<BR>

I am Rh negative, alot of mercury fillings, breastfeed both <BR>

children, and grewup in the 60s and 70s with mercury vaccines.  My <BR>

oldest had vaccines, but the youngest has not had one.  <BR>

<BR>

Should I try chelations, such as DMSA, without my doctor's <BR>

blessing?  I'm a little afraid that I may hurt them, but I feel that <BR>

the doctor is kind of giving up.<BR>

<BR>

Blessings.<BR>

<BR>

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[Guest guest]

> My doctor has put our followups to every 3 months when we were every

> 6 weeks. The nurse told me later that was because we were not

> experiencing as many improvements as before.

Has the doctor done any further testing, given any further ideas, etc?

Or has he just given up on your kids?

> Should I try chelations, such as DMSA, without my doctor's

> blessing?

I would, especially since your doctor has apparently given up on them.

>>I'm a little afraid that I may hurt them,

Use ALA on a conservative protocol, go slowly, watch for yeast.

Dana

[Guest guest]

During our last visit we went over labs for CBC, celiac and

thyroid. The only changes we did that day was stopping MB12 shots

on the oldest and starting cod liver oil on both kids due to low

Vit. A.

I guess they are not having enough changes with regards to the MB12

survey I complete each time. Because the doctor commented that I

hadn't noticed that much of a change in either child. I guess the

doc doesn't think it is working. The 3 yr old is functioning at a 1

and 2 yr old level on the speech and OT tests. The 6 yr old is

functioning at a 4 yr old level on the OT and he didn't do good on

the speech but I don't have the scores.

My 3 yr old still seems to have yeast problems because of what I see

behind his ears. Should I not do the ALA with him?

Thanks.

> > My doctor has put our followups to every 3 months when we were

every

> > 6 weeks. The nurse told me later that was because we were not

> > experiencing as many improvements as before.

>

>

> Has the doctor done any further testing, given any further ideas,

etc?

> Or has he just given up on your kids?

>

>

> > Should I try chelations, such as DMSA, without my doctor's

> > blessing?

>

>

> I would, especially since your doctor has apparently given up on

them.

>

>

> >>I'm a little afraid that I may hurt them,

>

>

> Use ALA on a conservative protocol, go slowly, watch for yeast.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

btm66,

Do you think that your supplements are enough? If you are not supplementing

enough with MB12, they are not as effective as they should be. MB12

depletes a lot from the body. Mag., selenium, B2, B3, B6, Vit C and Vit E.

I would download Dr. N's supplement review form and key in what you are

giving your child and it will tell you if you are under and over on the

supplements based on your child's weight. We have noticed even more changes

for our son when his supplements were up to par. We have been doing this

since since January and I am now pleased with the results. Check it out to

see. If you need any help with the program... let me know... e-mail me off

list jhines @ ptd.net (all together).

Jackie---

> During our last visit we went over labs for CBC, celiac and

> thyroid. The only changes we did that day was stopping MB12 shots

> on the oldest and starting cod liver oil on both kids due to low

> Vit. A.

>

> I guess they are not having enough changes with regards to the MB12

> survey I complete each time. Because the doctor commented that I

> hadn't noticed that much of a change in either child. I guess the

> doc doesn't think it is working. The 3 yr old is functioning at a 1

> and 2 yr old level on the speech and OT tests. The 6 yr old is

> functioning at a 4 yr old level on the OT and he didn't do good on

> the speech but I don't have the scores.

>

> My 3 yr old still seems to have yeast problems because of what I see

> behind his ears. Should I not do the ALA with him?

>

> Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Can you please tell me the link for Dr. N's supplement

review form? THanks, Juli

--- Jackie Hines <jhines@...> wrote:

> btm66,

> Do you think that your supplements are enough? If

> you are not supplementing

> enough with MB12, they are not as effective as they

> should be. MB12

> depletes a lot from the body. Mag., selenium, B2,

> B3, B6, Vit C and Vit E.

> I would download Dr. N's supplement review form and

> key in what you are

> giving your child and it will tell you if you are

> under and over on the

> supplements based on your child's weight. We have

> noticed even more changes

> for our son when his supplements were up to par. We

> have been doing this

> since since January and I am now pleased with the

> results. Check it out to

> see. If you need any help with the program... let

> me know... e-mail me off

> list jhines @ ptd.net (all together).

>

> Jackie---

>

> > During our last visit we went over labs for CBC,

> celiac and

> > thyroid. The only changes we did that day was

> stopping MB12 shots

> > on the oldest and starting cod liver oil on both

> kids due to low

> > Vit. A.

> >

> > I guess they are not having enough changes with

> regards to the MB12

> > survey I complete each time. Because the doctor

> commented that I

> > hadn't noticed that much of a change in either

> child. I guess the

> > doc doesn't think it is working. The 3 yr old is

> functioning at a 1

> > and 2 yr old level on the speech and OT tests.

> The 6 yr old is

> > functioning at a 4 yr old level on the OT and he

> didn't do good on

> > the speech but I don't have the scores.

> >

> > My 3 yr old still seems to have yeast problems

> because of what I see

> > behind his ears. Should I not do the ALA with

> him?

> >

> > Thanks.

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> My 3 yr old still seems to have yeast problems because of what I see

> behind his ears. Should I not do the ALA with him?

Yes, do the ALA, but increase your yeast protocol. As the metals are

removed, it does tend to increase yeast.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I am totally with Rene, if your doctor is going to be like that you are likely

better off without him. Many of our kids issues will not resolve themselves

without chelation if metals are to blame. I would jump in and show that doctor

a thing or two! Almost sounds like he just wants to sit back and collect his

office visit fees without doing the real work!

My opinion anyway,

-who's son has greatly improved with chelation

joshisims <joshisims@...> wrote:

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it sounds a little like your doctor

is punishing your children for not progressing as fast as he would

like. If so, that's just wrong. Your children are not on trial.

Your children are not his employees, or his students. HE is the one

who is supposed to be providing services to YOU. If you've been

seeing him awhile and he has made no effort to investigate whether or

not they have mercury issues, I would say that he's the one who has

dropped the ball. Have you addressed chelation with him? If you can

still do so, and you still trust his advice, you might try giving him

one more chance to redeem himself. It would be a very good idea to

really read the files of this list first, so that you know what a

safe chelation protocol looks like before you see him. A lot of

doctor-supervised chelation protocols are shockingly risky. If he

suggests challenge tests, large amounts of chelator on a schedule

that doesn't keep a steady level in the blood, or IV chelation, you'd

be better off with another doctor, or doing this yourself using Andy

Cutler's protocol.

Blessings right back to you :-)

René

>

> My doctor has put our followups to every 3 months when we were

every

> 6 weeks. The nurse told me later that was because we were not

> experiencing as many improvements as before. Even though both kids

> have been getting improvements. They still have issues. He even

> stopped my oldest son's MB12 shots.

>

> My oldest is 6 with ADHD symptoms. The youngest is 3 with what the

> doc describes as high functioning autism.

>

> We have done MB12, glutathione, Vit. C, folinic acid, P5P

> w/magnesium, CoQ10, zinc, cod liver oil, and Diflucan. We have not

> done any DMSA or other chelation.

>

> I am Rh negative, alot of mercury fillings, breastfeed both

> children, and grewup in the 60s and 70s with mercury vaccines. My

> oldest had vaccines, but the youngest has not had one.

>

> Should I try chelations, such as DMSA, without my doctor's

> blessing? I'm a little afraid that I may hurt them, but I feel

that

> the doctor is kind of giving up.

>

> Blessings.

>

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > I am Rh negative, alot of mercury fillings, breastfeed both

> > children, and grewup in the 60s and 70s with mercury vaccines. My

> > oldest had vaccines, but the youngest has not had one.

> >

Yeah, that's me too. Although both of my NT kids are fully vax'd up to about

4-5 years.

We're here on a fluke, really. I had an angry, moody preschooler which led us

to HNI

enzymes, which led us to a hair test, which led us to chelation per Andy's

protocol.

The hair test was a wake-up call for me. Then I read both of Andy's books and

starting

reading this list. I did tell our family practioner that we were going to

chelate and I asked

for her help in advance, should we run into trouble or need to order some tests.

She

agreed, and didn't give me any trouble. However, we haven't needed her yet, and

she is

basically ignorant of hair tests, chelation, etc.

I think many people here will agree that things took a turn for the better when

they took

the research and the direction of their health care into their own hands.

Best of luck to you,

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

Let me just say that some of this sound familier to me. Had lots of

fillings, breastfed, I was vaccinated in the 70's-90's. Have two

kids who show metal symptoms... One on spectrum (male), one not but

does fit the description of sensory integration problems(female).

After trying all that I too would seriously find another doctor. In

my experience he has written your children off as " incurable " by his

standards. Have they ever been hair tested to look for metals?

I had a doctor like this for myself, he mainly refused to test me

for anything and everytime I saw him with my symptoms of ill health,

he dismissed me or said I must be depressed and offered me the

latest drug. After I approached the possibility of metal poisoning

he told me that " as a healthy adult, my body could handle mercury " ,

I just left and never went back. You are the advocate for your

children. If he is not going to help them, then why pay him?

> >

> > My doctor has put our followups to every 3 months when we were

> every

> > 6 weeks. The nurse told me later that was because we were not

> > experiencing as many improvements as before. Even though both

kids

> > have been getting improvements. They still have issues. He

even

> > stopped my oldest son's MB12 shots.

> >

> > My oldest is 6 with ADHD symptoms. The youngest is 3 with what

the

> > doc describes as high functioning autism.

> >

> > We have done MB12, glutathione, Vit. C, folinic acid, P5P

> > w/magnesium, CoQ10, zinc, cod liver oil, and Diflucan. We have

not

> > done any DMSA or other chelation.

> >

> > I am Rh negative, alot of mercury fillings, breastfeed both

> > children, and grewup in the 60s and 70s with mercury vaccines.

My

> > oldest had vaccines, but the youngest has not had one.

> >

> > Should I try chelations, such as DMSA, without my doctor's

> > blessing? I'm a little afraid that I may hurt them, but I feel

> that

> > the doctor is kind of giving up.

> >

> > Blessings.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Another good point to remember: As far as doctors go, In America we

are led to beleive that doctors know everything. You have to

remember: There are A students in med school and they are D students.

Some doctors were D students.

> > >

> > > I am Rh negative, alot of mercury fillings, breastfeed both

> > > children, and grewup in the 60s and 70s with mercury

vaccines. My

> > > oldest had vaccines, but the youngest has not had one.

> > >

>

>

> Yeah, that's me too. Although both of my NT kids are fully vax'd

up to about 4-5 years.

>

> We're here on a fluke, really. I had an angry, moody preschooler

which led us to HNI

> enzymes, which led us to a hair test, which led us to chelation

per Andy's protocol.

>

> The hair test was a wake-up call for me. Then I read both of

Andy's books and starting

> reading this list. I did tell our family practioner that we were

going to chelate and I asked

> for her help in advance, should we run into trouble or need to

order some tests. She

> agreed, and didn't give me any trouble. However, we haven't

needed her yet, and she is

> basically ignorant of hair tests, chelation, etc.

>

> I think many people here will agree that things took a turn for

the better when they took

> the research and the direction of their health care into their own

hands.

>

> Best of luck to you,

>

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

That Jan has just become one of my most favorite quotes EVER!!!

Jan <queenvavee@...> wrote:

Another good point to remember: As far as doctors go, In America we

are led to beleive that doctors know everything. You have to

remember: There are A students in med school and they are D students.

Some doctors were D students.

> > >

> > > I am Rh negative, alot of mercury fillings, breastfeed both

> > > children, and grewup in the 60s and 70s with mercury

vaccines. My

> > > oldest had vaccines, but the youngest has not had one.

> > >

>

>

> Yeah, that's me too. Although both of my NT kids are fully vax'd

up to about 4-5 years.

>

> We're here on a fluke, really. I had an angry, moody preschooler

which led us to HNI

> enzymes, which led us to a hair test, which led us to chelation

per Andy's protocol.

>

> The hair test was a wake-up call for me. Then I read both of

Andy's books and starting

> reading this list. I did tell our family practioner that we were

going to chelate and I asked

> for her help in advance, should we run into trouble or need to

order some tests. She

> agreed, and didn't give me any trouble. However, we haven't

needed her yet, and she is

> basically ignorant of hair tests, chelation, etc.

>

> I think many people here will agree that things took a turn for

the better when they took

> the research and the direction of their health care into their own

hands.

>

> Best of luck to you,

>

> in Illinois

>

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to add my voice to this:

My DAN Dr is also dragging his feet when it comes to chelation. Chelation is

the most effective treatment for autism. You need to be in charge of your

children -- not your DAN. Yes, start chelation w/o docs blessing. Get the

poison out first. The hell with mainstream & DAN doctors.

lvchefmel <lvchefmel@...> wrote:

I am totally with Rene, if your doctor is going to be like that you are likely

better off without him. Many of our kids issues will not resolve themselves

without chelation if metals are to blame. I would jump in and show that doctor

a thing or two! Almost sounds like he just wants to sit back and collect his

office visit fees without doing the real work!

My opinion anyway,

-who's son has greatly improved with chelation

joshisims <joshisims@...> wrote:

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it sounds a little like your doctor

is punishing your children for not progressing as fast as he would

like. If so, that's just wrong. Your children are not on trial.

Your children are not his employees, or his students. HE is the one

who is supposed to be providing services to YOU. If you've been

seeing him awhile and he has made no effort to investigate whether or

not they have mercury issues, I would say that he's the one who has

dropped the ball. Have you addressed chelation with him? If you can

still do so, and you still trust his advice, you might try giving him

one more chance to redeem himself. It would be a very good idea to

really read the files of this list first, so that you know what a

safe chelation protocol looks like before you see him. A lot of

doctor-supervised chelation protocols are shockingly risky. If he

suggests challenge tests, large amounts of chelator on a schedule

that doesn't keep a steady level in the blood, or IV chelation, you'd

be better off with another doctor, or doing this yourself using Andy

Cutler's protocol.

Blessings right back to you :-)

René

>

> My doctor has put our followups to every 3 months when we were

every

> 6 weeks. The nurse told me later that was because we were not

> experiencing as many improvements as before. Even though both kids

> have been getting improvements. They still have issues. He even

> stopped my oldest son's MB12 shots.

>

> My oldest is 6 with ADHD symptoms. The youngest is 3 with what the

> doc describes as high functioning autism.

>

> We have done MB12, glutathione, Vit. C, folinic acid, P5P

> w/magnesium, CoQ10, zinc, cod liver oil, and Diflucan. We have not

> done any DMSA or other chelation.

>

> I am Rh negative, alot of mercury fillings, breastfeed both

> children, and grewup in the 60s and 70s with mercury vaccines. My

> oldest had vaccines, but the youngest has not had one.

>

> Should I try chelations, such as DMSA, without my doctor's

> blessing? I'm a little afraid that I may hurt them, but I feel

that

> the doctor is kind of giving up.

>

> Blessings.

>

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Another point: Many doctors have bad attitiudes and think like:

1. I don't have time to think outside the box.

2. I don't know anything outside the box.

3. Don't ask me too many questions as I won't give you a straight answer

anyway.

4. Accept whatever I tell you because I am a doctor.

Aren't I open-minded when it comes to doctors?

Jan <queenvavee@...> wrote:

Another good point to remember: As far as doctors go, In America we

are led to beleive that doctors know everything. You have to

remember: There are A students in med school and they are D students.

Some doctors were D students.

> > >

> > > I am Rh negative, alot of mercury fillings, breastfeed both

> > > children, and grewup in the 60s and 70s with mercury

vaccines. My

> > > oldest had vaccines, but the youngest has not had one.

> > >

>

>

> Yeah, that's me too. Although both of my NT kids are fully vax'd

up to about 4-5 years.

>

> We're here on a fluke, really. I had an angry, moody preschooler

which led us to HNI

> enzymes, which led us to a hair test, which led us to chelation

per Andy's protocol.

>

> The hair test was a wake-up call for me. Then I read both of

Andy's books and starting

> reading this list. I did tell our family practioner that we were

going to chelate and I asked

> for her help in advance, should we run into trouble or need to

order some tests. She

> agreed, and didn't give me any trouble. However, we haven't

needed her yet, and she is

> basically ignorant of hair tests, chelation, etc.

>

> I think many people here will agree that things took a turn for

the better when they took

> the research and the direction of their health care into their own

hands.

>

> Best of luck to you,

>

> in Illinois

>

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

It's not clear to me from your post whether you discussed chelation

with your kids' doctor. You should not assume that because the

doctor has not raised the subject that he/she is opposed to the

idea. Before rushing off to do this on your own as some of the

other posters have suggested, you should discuss this with your

doctor in a non-adversarial way. Make a special appointment if

needed.

Darren

>

> My doctor has put our followups to every 3 months when we were

every

> 6 weeks. The nurse told me later that was because we were not

> experiencing as many improvements as before. Even though both

kids

> have been getting improvements. They still have issues. He even

> stopped my oldest son's MB12 shots.

>

> My oldest is 6 with ADHD symptoms. The youngest is 3 with what

the

> doc describes as high functioning autism.

>

> We have done MB12, glutathione, Vit. C, folinic acid, P5P

> w/magnesium, CoQ10, zinc, cod liver oil, and Diflucan. We have

not

> done any DMSA or other chelation.

>

> I am Rh negative, alot of mercury fillings, breastfeed both

> children, and grewup in the 60s and 70s with mercury vaccines. My

> oldest had vaccines, but the youngest has not had one.

>

> Should I try chelations, such as DMSA, without my doctor's

> blessing? I'm a little afraid that I may hurt them, but I feel

that

> the doctor is kind of giving up.

>

> Blessings.

>