Re: chorella?

January 31, 2006

>

> Thank you for all the ideas. My dr. recommended Sam taking 2 mg of

> melatonin before bed and then 1/2 when he wakes in the night which

last

> night helped a little. He is going to have another stool analysis

> checking for paraistes, bead bacteria.

> She recommended chorella for a green type of food to give him becuase

> his body is very acidic and he eats no veggies. I thought I read

> somewhere that it isn't good to take? what do you use for a green

> food. IS chorella safe? thanks again,

>

I don't consider chlorella safe. I would suggest that you read

the posts about chlorella located here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Chelation_products.html

As you can see, some " good " reports, and some very bad.

My preferred green food is wheat grass juice, which most

GFCF people won't come near (it is made from a young wheat

PLANT, not from the wheat seed, but still related).

I used to take barley grass juice too....

Juicing greens is the best way IMO -- for example carrot

juice with fresh parsley. Parsley is a wonderful green food --

most people don't eat much of it, but you can put lots in

soup or salad. Great stuff. There are also some greens

I eat as " tea " , such as raspberry leaf, comfrey, red

clover, nettles --- I have not been drinking this tea

lately but should start up again! Also great stuff.

good wishes,

Moria

January 31, 2006

This is too bad !! There are some very good chlorella products. It

all depends on how you use them, right timing and professional

direction. We can't rely on user reports /testimonials until we

know exactly all what they were doing and their situation. From the

user reports on the website link, I can easily see many of the

negative reports came about due to impaired detoxification

abilities. In order to detox properly must have all excretion routes

open. NDF contains chlorella and cilantro ( pulls metals from the

brain ), NDF should not be used early in the game and not without

regular supportive therapies designed to mobilize and excrete

metals. Chlorella is used to BIND metals. If can't tolerate

chlorella try activated charcoal. When you chelate, knock metals

off of their holding sites, you must bind and move them out in a

timely manner or you end up feeling terrible and in a backfire.

Many stool tests for parasites are NO GOOD !!! In leaky gut

parasites leave the gut wall and settle in various organs, go into

blood, etc. Must have in large numbers to identify on special blood

smears which many labs rarely do anymore. Best to utilize EAV/EDS

testing for specific parasites - get frequencies and apply remedies

to dredge off of organs.

If he is acidic - NSP green PHZone is a good drink, free of gluten,

wheat, etc.

> >

> > Thank you for all the ideas. My dr. recommended Sam taking 2 mg

of

> > melatonin before bed and then 1/2 when he wakes in the night

which

> last

> > night helped a little. He is going to have another stool

analysis

> > checking for paraistes, bead bacteria.

> > She recommended chorella for a green type of food to give him

becuase

> > his body is very acidic and he eats no veggies. I thought I

read

> > somewhere that it isn't good to take? what do you use for a

green

> > food. IS chorella safe? thanks again,

> >

>

> I don't consider chlorella safe. I would suggest that you read

> the posts about chlorella located here:

> http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Chelation_products.html

> As you can see, some " good " reports, and some very bad.

>

> My preferred green food is wheat grass juice, which most

> GFCF people won't come near (it is made from a young wheat

> PLANT, not from the wheat seed, but still related).

> I used to take barley grass juice too....

> Juicing greens is the best way IMO -- for example carrot

> juice with fresh parsley. Parsley is a wonderful green food --

> most people don't eat much of it, but you can put lots in

> soup or salad. Great stuff. There are also some greens

> I eat as " tea " , such as raspberry leaf, comfrey, red

> clover, nettles --- I have not been drinking this tea

> lately but should start up again! Also great stuff.

>

> good wishes,

> Moria

>

January 31, 2006

>

> This is too bad !! There are some very good chlorella products. It

> all depends on how you use them, right timing

which, of course, there will be endless disagreement about---

not very helpful.

> and professional direction.

I personally put no faith in professional direction.

I do put SOME faith in SOME professionals on SOME topics.

> We can't rely on user reports /testimonials until we

> know exactly all what they were doing and their situation.

Maybe you can't, but I can. Although depends on what I am

relying on them for. I continue to try to make only

reasonable conclusions while still recognizing that I

don't HAVE all the data I could want. In this case, I can

use the evidence to conclude correctly that chlorella has

had good effects for some and bad effects for others.

This is a worthwhile thing to know.

Further, if you need to know EXACTLY ALL what they were doing

in their situation, that sounds way too broad to me.

Do you have some specific theory of what could make

using chlorella safe or not?

If you do, then I would think knowing a FEW SPECIFIC things

would tell you if they are doing [whatever you think are

the magic ingredients].

> From the

> user reports on the website link, I can easily see many of the

> negative reports came about due to impaired detoxification

> abilities.

I have a problem with " due to " . Here you are saying you KNOW

why there was a negative reaction. I assert that you do not

know this. I think you are speculating about something that

you think MAY be A factor -- rather than knowing that this is

CAUSAL.

> In order to detox properly must have all excretion routes

> open.

Okay: let me clear about this: any theory of safety which relys

on " having all excretion routes open " is likely a very problematic

theory to follow. You are GOING TO HAVE endless discussion

about what is open/closed, which pathways, etc etc etc etc.

In the end, you can ALWAYS blame the user, there is no safety

in this. I'm not even saying that you are wrong -- I'm saying

that even if you are RIGHT there is little to rely on here.

Please note I have done my share of cleanses, juice fasts,

and coffee enemas, and still do, thanks. I am NOT dissing

detox nor dissing pathways. I'm saying that there is no

agreement about what " all pathways open " means, how to

measure it, how to obtain it, etc. So an individual who

wanted to follow this theory would have little or no

assurance of safety. This is a problem point.

Next problem: MOST (maybe all) mercury toxic people do NOT have

" all excretion routes open " . I would personally guess that

most Americans also do not. So, another problem with this

method is that it may be very hard to get all routes open in

order to " use chlorella properly " . This doesn't mean that

someone could not get " all pathways open " , but it certainly

would be a consideration that this may take a lot of time

and effort. And that is not counting that there is no

general agreement whatsoever on what needs to be done or how

to measure it.

Now, perhaps you have somehow overcome these problems.

Perhaps you have a simple, short, doable method that TOXIC

people can sucessfully use to become ready to use chlorella.

Maybe it is even measurable, so that someone could KNOW they

are ready. Those would be decent steps in making your

ideas of how to use chlorella SAFELY useable. The next

thing I would want is lots of evidence, and yes, I mean

anecdotal evidence, that EVERYONE who met your guidelines

was okay. Not some people.

We already have evidence that SOME PEOPLE are helped by

--you name it-- chlorella, cilantro, NDF, etc.

good wishes,

Moria

January 31, 2006

> We already have evidence that SOME PEOPLE are helped by

> --you name it-- chlorella, cilantro, NDF, etc.

>

> good wishes,

> Moria

>

Just as SOME PEOPLE seem to derive benefit from IV-DMPS. Personally,

I wouldn't use THAT, or chlorella, for the reasons outlined in Moira's

message. If we gather all the testimonials together, I'm sure that

we'd find that chlorella has an unacceptably low B:W ratio. Not with

MY child, thanks! Excellent post Moira!

January 31, 2006

> Next problem: MOST (maybe all) mercury toxic people do NOT have

> " all excretion routes open " . I would personally guess that

> most Americans also do not.

Yes, I was going to say that if all excretion routes were open, a

person would probably not be very toxic exactly because of that. What

I'm finding with chelation Andy's way is that slowly some of those

pathways are opening up -- but how would I have gotten to that point

without chelating, or, if chelating is working, why would I risk

chlorella now if I don't know whether *enough pathway are open?

Nell

January 31, 2006

Best to open pathways before chelation, Chelation can be either a

smooth or rocky roller coaster ride. Chlorella BINDS the heavy

metals knocked off of their holding sites. You need something to

catch, bind /mop up the metals, also activated charcoal. Yes you can

be mercury toxic and have detox pathways open but not draining

properly..

If you can tolerate chlorella - high quality heavy metal tested

free each batch, use it to bind as has many other health building

qualities. if you feel bad after taking chlorella for some time,

then start taking more -as you may need higher quanities to continue

effective mop ups.

I am not talking about combo formulas here like NDF. Just plain old

chlorella ..........

>

> > Next problem: MOST (maybe all) mercury toxic people do NOT have

> > " all excretion routes open " . I would personally guess that

> > most Americans also do not.

>

> Yes, I was going to say that if all excretion routes were open, a

> person would probably not be very toxic exactly because of that.

What

> I'm finding with chelation Andy's way is that slowly some of those

> pathways are opening up -- but how would I have gotten to that

point

> without chelating, or, if chelating is working, why would I risk

> chlorella now if I don't know whether *enough pathway are open?

>

> Nell

>

February 1, 2006

Here's another perspective. I've been on this list for six years now and