Is this True?

[Guest guest]

Years ago I attended a very large symposium on Dyspraxia and it was indicated

that 90% of children diagnosed with speech issues also had comorbid conditions.

This could be dyslexia, dysgraphia, CAPD, dyspraxia, autism.... the list is

endless. While the conditions may be comorbid, they are very separate

conditions and require extremely different treatment approaches. Again, no one

size fits all in our world!

I suspect that this is because neurological issues tend to occur in clusters;

one system breaks down, and then another follows.

In our household, we have never had an issue with dyslexia though my son does

indeed have visual motor issues. Quite the opposite actually, Mark has always

had superior decoding abilities and tests out years ahead of his age group in

reading.

My NT daughter had a minor speech delay as a child and definately fits into that

10% grouping. This is because her speech issue stemmed from chronically

inflamed tonsils, adenoids and a deep-rooted inner ear infection. Once that was

cleared up, normal deveopment ensued. So..... her problems did not stem from a

neurological cause but from a physical problem with her ears, nose and throat.

......very different.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: Is this True?

Don't mean to pop the bubble but our kids also have overlaps of

symptoms they attribute to many other conditions including but not

limited to dyslexia. You can believe what you want about your

preschool aged (?!!) child -but I know from my 6th grader as well as

the other older apraxic children in the group as well as from Kathy

who is a teacher and mother to 10YO twins with apraxia that it's bogus.

As I say here: http://www.cherab.org/information/adhd-speech.html

1. Speech and language disorders are frequently attributed as part

of another diagnosis.

2. Speech and language disorders are often undiagnosed.

So if you are going to assume your child is dyslexic based upon some

articles you probably also want to sign your kid up for the rest of

the disorders on this page

http://www.cherab.org/information/adhd-speech.html

As I always say -if you assume your child is learning disabled or you

assume they are not...you are right.

PS I have a sister with dyslexia and a son with apraxia -HUGE

difference!!!

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[Guest guest]

My husband thinks he's dyslexic but I can assure you Tara is NOT! Nor

has anyone mentioned any sort of learning disability! Her Apraxia has

been linked to her Hyrdrocephalus/CP and genetic deformities. We were

both tested- she is a unique case in our family for her genetic issues.

Like someone mentioned- when hubby was in grade school in very late

60's/early 70's- they did not look for a cause they just called you

stupid! He still gets numbers backwards often.

>

> Now how many children with apraxia have a family member with

> dyslexia...'that' could be 75%...that seems to be a bit more possible.

>

> Let's do a quick poll. Anyone here have a child with apraxia that has

> a relative with dyslexia?

[Guest guest]

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Just so you know the replys back to you are not from me - the originator of the

question- Is this true?-     I appreciate and believe all you've told me.

Sandy

From: kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Is this True?

Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 8:36 AM

Don't mean to pop the bubble but our kids also have overlaps of

symptoms they attribute to many other conditions including but not

limited to dyslexia. You can believe what you want about your

preschool aged (?!!) child -but I know from my 6th grader as well as

the other older apraxic children in the group as well as from Kathy

who is a teacher and mother to 10YO twins with apraxia that it's bogus.

As I say here: http://www.cherab. org/information/ adhd-speech. html

1. Speech and language disorders are frequently attributed as part

of another diagnosis.

2. Speech and language disorders are often undiagnosed.

So if you are going to assume your child is dyslexic based upon some

articles you probably also want to sign your kid up for the rest of

the disorders on this page

http://www.cherab. org/information/ adhd-speech. html

As I always say -if you assume your child is learning disabled or you

assume they are not...you are right.

PS I have a sister with dyslexia and a son with apraxia -HUGE

difference!! !

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[Guest guest]

My mother, her Dad (deceased) and my sister have dyslexia. So severe thay can

not drive. They have suffered traumatic incidents in their lives, getting

lost; not knowing if they turn this way or that. So much stronger than mixing up

letters! They have even put theirselves in harms way. I once had to rescue my

Mother from a terrifying part of Houston! Shyann has apraxia. She is 9. She has

not show one sign/symptom of dylexia. Yay for her. She doesn't need another

mountain to climb. , I think looking at older children with apraxia is a

good starting point in deciding if apraxia goes hand in hand with dyslexia. NOT

A CHANCE in my daughter!

Joy and Shyann

[ ] Re: Is this True?

Don't mean to pop the bubble but our kids also have overlaps of

symptoms they attribute to many other conditions including but not

limited to dyslexia. You can believe what you want about your

preschool aged (?!!) child -but I know from my 6th grader as well as

the other older apraxic children in the group as well as from Kathy

who is a teacher and mother to 10YO twins with apraxia that it's bogus.

As I say here: http://www.cherab.org/information/adhd-speech.html

1. Speech and language disorders are frequently attributed as part

of another diagnosis.

2. Speech and language disorders are often undiagnosed.

So if you are going to assume your child is dyslexic based upon some

articles you probably also want to sign your kid up for the rest of

the disorders on this page

http://www.cherab.org/information/adhd-speech.html

As I always say -if you assume your child is learning disabled or you

assume they are not...you are right.

PS I have a sister with dyslexia and a son with apraxia -HUGE

difference!!!

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[Guest guest]

I tend to concur with Maureen here. Reversals of letters is pretty much the

norm of ALL kids right up to the end of grade 2 and some even to grade 3.

I think that your time would be better spent working physically if you find

yourself worried. Doing monkey bars, climbing, playing catch, playing Eye Spy

or Where's Waldo with those big picture books; all of these work binocular

vision, visual motor and eye teaming and scanning. Focus on good development at

the stage where you are currently at and then when it is age appropriate, you

can address other comorbid conditions if they raise their ugly heads. But be

careful about creating a problem where none exists. Though our dyspraxic kiddos

often have terrible visual motor skills.... stories of older kids and adults

tell me that most don't suffer dyslexia and that reading has been their

'amaaaaaazing' skill. It certainly has been this way for Mark.

Take care.... you carry a big enough load already.... work on that one first

because when you fix it, a lot of other potential problems will be averted.

Good luck and take care,

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re: Is this True?

My husband thinks he's dyslexic but I can assure you Tara is NOT! Nor

has anyone mentioned any sort of learning disability! Her Apraxia has

been linked to her Hyrdrocephalus/CP and genetic deformities. We were

both tested- she is a unique case in our family for her genetic issues.

Like someone mentioned- when hubby was in grade school in very late

60's/early 70's- they did not look for a cause they just called you

stupid! He still gets numbers backwards often.

>

> Now how many children with apraxia have a family member with

> dyslexia...'that' could be 75%...that seems to be a bit more possible.

>

> Let's do a quick poll. Anyone here have a child with apraxia that has

> a relative with dyslexia?

[Guest guest]

I don't have much to add here, but I personally would not go with the

idea that gyslexia can't be diagnosed until 2nd or 3rd grade. To me,

that's too late. All chil;dren by the age of four or so, should be

able to rhyme. They should be able to recognioze letters (not all of

them, but many of them). If a child consistently gets confused with

letters, words, sequencing pictures, directions, rhyming, phonological

awareness, etc. It is a case for concer, wheteher they have

underlying problems or not. I don't think that the apraxia is

absolutly related just as other disorders are not always related.

But, I do feel that during the k-1 years a child struggling with

written language should be looked at. I can;t believe that a teacher

would say not to discuss dyslexia until 3rd grade. Just as with any

disability, dyslexia is best helped early. In my humble opinion, 3rd

grade is too late.

[Guest guest]

I was going by what I was told by a teacher with 25 years of teaching

experience. I stated that it was NOT my opinion. has said- please

back up your opinions with facts from somewhere. All I did was Google

Diagnose Dyslexia. It is defined as Difficulty with reading. Here is

what I found.

Many children have diffuculty reversing letters.What I read is that

normally disappears by the age of 7 or 8. So- a 4yr old really cannot

be diagnosed with Dyslexia. Dyslexia is about reading- so even if they

develop their own tricks to reading- it is still a problem with

reading. So, they have to be taught to read first. If you do not have

school work to show them why you think theres a problem you may not be

able to get any testing done. Thats why they wait till 2nd or 3rd grade

for the typical signs to develop more. Things like being able to read

but when the words are transferred to flash cards....they don't know

what the word is. They have difficulty memorizing multiplication

tables. And....school districts see it as a medical problem but doctors

see it as a school issue- so be prepared to pay for any testing on your

own because it won't be covered by insurance either.

Although dyslexia is the most common reason a bright student will

struggle with reading, spelling, or written composition, it is not the

only reason. And until you know for sure why a child is struggling, you

won't know the best way to help.

Should the School Test? Many people know that public schools are

required to test children who live in their service area, whether those

children attend that public school or not.

But what you may not realize is that most public schools do not test

children for dyslexia. They test them to find out if they are eligible

for special education services.

There is a huge difference between eligibility testing and diagnostic

testing.

Federal education law does not require public schools to test children

for dyslexia. Schools only have to test to find out if a child is

eligible for special education services, and if so, under what

category. If a child with dyslexia is eligible, they will be placed in

a category called Learning Disability.

So before you allow the public school to test your child, ask them this

question: " Will you be testing my child for dyslexia? "

You may be shocked at their answer.

Some public schools will give one of the following excuses for NOT

testing a child for dyslexia. They might say that dyslexia is just a

catch-all term and there's no test for it. Or that your child is too

young to test. Or that only a doctor can test for dyslexia. Or they

might even say that dyslexia is the same thing as a learning disability.

If you hear comments like that, do not allow them test your child for

dyslexia because not one of those statements is true.

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Dyslexia is not LD Most children with dyslexia are not severe enough

to meet the school's criteria, and the legal definition, of a learning

disability.

In fact, according to the research, only one in ten children with

dyslexia qualifies as having a learning disability. That means nine out

of ten children with dyslexia are either never sent for testing, or

when they are tested, they do not qualify as having a learning

disability.

So only children with severe dyslexia qualify. But so do children who

are struggling for other reasons. That's why it is not true that

dyslexia is the same thing as a learning disability.

And that's also why most children with dyslexia are not receiving

special education services. Only those who qualify as having a Learning

Disability receive special education services.

Yet children who do not qualify (because they are not severe enough)

will continue to struggle tremendously in the areas of spelling,

writing, and reading if they have dyslexia.

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Dyslexia is not Medical If you ask a public school to test your child

for dyslexia, they may tell you that dyslexia is a medical issue, and

that only a doctor can test for it.

But if you ask a doctor to test your child, the doctor will probably

tell you that they do not test for dyslexia.

Doctors do not test children for reading, writing, and spelling issues

because those are not considered medical issues. They are educational

issues. So a doctor will probably refer you back to the school or to an

educational psychologist.

Many educational psychologists are former school psychologists, and

most of them only test for a learning disability. But dyslexia is not

the same thing as a learning disability. So that type of testing is not

appropriate.

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When to Test? A child can be professionally diagnosed with dyslexia as

early as five-and-a-half years old.

Although most public schools are reluctant to test children before

third grade, and often encourage parents to wait and see if their child

will " outgrow " his or her reading, spelling, or writing difficulties,

research shows that waiting is the worst thing you can do.

If it's dyslexia, a child will not outgrow his or her difficulties. And

it takes less time to fix the reading and spelling difficulties when

dyslexia is discovered at age six than when it is not discovered until

age 9 – or 19 – or even older.

>

> I don't have much to add here, but I personally would not go with the

> idea that gyslexia can't be diagnosed until 2nd or 3rd grade. To me,

> that's too late. All chil;dren by the age of four or so, should be

> able to rhyme.

[Guest guest]

I believe the NHS endos do not believe in RT3, all the ones i have seen do not.

Also a RT3 test would get more people OFF t4 and onto t4/t3 or t3 only combos

which there is alot of debate about to why they seem to want to keep us on

T4....Money/pharma compaies ? Who knows....

Steve

> >

> > My endo has told me that he is unable to do the reverse T3 blood test! Is

this true?? thanks sue X

> >

> Bump

>

[Guest guest]

My (UK) endo (who is sympathetic to the use of Armour) TOTALLY poo-pood the RT3

results as being meaningless! He also totally disregarded the Saliva cortisol

test.

This is what leads lots of us to self medicate

> > >

> > > My endo has told me that he is unable to do the reverse T3 blood test! Is

this true?? thanks sue X

> > >

> > Bump

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I asked a Prof endo prat at a well known teaching hosp about doing RT3 when I

attended his clinic and he said that they only tended to use this test in the

course of research and did not do this as a norm!?

By the way, this latest clamp down on buying Erfa from Value is goung to leave

many people without a lifeline and I wonder too how long it will be before they

do the same with T3 and wonder that given the reasonable shelf life of these

drugs it might be worth where poss, stock piling.

Stacey