Chelation Question

[Guest guest]

Hi

see everyone go back and forth on this issue (we are SCD) and I'm

wondering what is considered " success " ?

>>>Improved child

Do the hair tests come back

with no heavy metals once the chelation is completed?

>>>Yep but they need to have reestablished good mineral transport but that

often happens long before chelation is finshed. I would say 2 years treatment

woud be the minimum, at this stage I am planning on 4 years for Sam...........

or are results

only tracked by stool and urine tests?

>>I don;t do these anymore as they are expensive and if you catch the

'wrong' poop you could think you aren't getting anywhere hwen in fact you are.

behavior?

>>Much more reliable

HTH

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

>

> I see everyone go back and forth on this issue (we are SCD) and I'm

> wondering what is considered " success " ?

For my son, he lost all his food and yeast issues.

Do the hair tests come back

> with no heavy metals once the chelation is completed?

Actually, they should come back with certain levels of metals, because

the body would be excreting the metals it encountered daily.

or are results

> only tracked by stool and urine tests? behavior?

Low levels of metals [daily encounters] should come back in these tests.

> Many talk about behavior worsening/rashes - but how do you know when

> it is too much and you are premanently lowering their functional

> level, or making an over-and-above net gain?

If you stop chelating and things don't improve, you need to research

why your child regressed. For my son, it would always be yeast.

> Anyone have a crystal ball?...

If you find one, please let me know.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I haven't tried it but read a lot on Buttar's protocol of TD-DMPS. There is a

group of people that are doing TD-DMPS. Some are following Buttar's

every other day protocol, and others are doing lower dose every eight hours

protocol that they work out with a DAN dr most of which seems to be at least

inspired by Andy Cutler's. I think this is mostly because different kids

tolerate things differently. Some report good result and some great result. I

have personally not come across any that are not happy with the result but I

am sure they exist too. One person whose children recovered wrote me that her

only regret was that she didn't do it sooner.

Below is a website made by families who believe autism is reversal. Many of

them advocate for Buttar's TD-DMPS and this is what I am also considering for

my son.

http://www.generationrescue.org

also you can check out:

http://tddmps.com/

Best of luck,

Haleh

--- mskatzman <mskatzman@...> wrote:

> Has anyone tried the TD-DMPS therapy. Would like to hear about some

> results since I am considering doing it with my 10 YO ASD son. Defeat

> autism yesterday sounds promising but I always want to hear from an

> actual parent. THanks

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i have an 8 yr old, very tough nut gut kiddo and i will begin chelation next

wk using td dmps (53 drops). i am doing the oral dmps challenge tomorrow

(250 mg).

i have been researching chelation 4 yrs and my son has been tested many

times for presence of heavy metals (all positive). i delayed beginning for

years

cause i wanted to get the gut (not to mention the constip) under better

control. difficult decision for me cause how much longer do i wait on this

constip thing knowing that my son is metal poisioned?

after speaking to two dan docs and others, i have decided to go ahead with

the chelation. i have come to the conclusion that a lot of the constip is

volunt retention and i am dealing with this behaviorally and still using various

laxatives, etc.

we will be doing chelation every other day. i will keep you posted. cant

imagine things being any worse than they are already (stimm city, major

sensory, apraxic, gut issues, hyperness constantly). been doing bio med stuff

since

my son was diag at 2.9 yrs. he is a very SLOW responder. now is the time to

move on.....vicki

[Guest guest]

>

> Has anyone tried the TD-DMPS therapy. Would like to hear about some

> results since I am considering doing it with my 10 YO ASD son. Defeat

> autism yesterday sounds promising but I always want to hear from an

> actual parent. THanks

Well, my kids are fully chelated, but I did not use TD DMPS.

Chelation was one of the best things I did tho.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> i have an 8 yr old, very tough nut gut kiddo and i will begin

chelation next

> wk using td dmps (53 drops).

I would start with less than this, and gradually work up.

> cause i wanted to get the gut (not to mention the constip) under

better

> control.

Constipation ideas

http://www.danasview.net/constip.htm

>>difficult decision for me cause how much longer do i wait on this

> constip thing knowing that my son is metal poisioned?

Yes, sometimes it is best to just start the chelation, because

sometimes the gut just won't get any better until the metals are out.

> we will be doing chelation every other day.

Some kids do really badly on this protocol, and when parents switch to

applying it every 8 hours, the kids do better. So if your child does

really badly, consider making the switch.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I can answer part of this.

Uranium was 10x over reference limit in our age 3 boy because his iron

was too low. His iron was too low because the suppliments didn't

contain iron (lots of other minerals though), and because bad gut

bacteria was draining it. Some bad gut bacteria (ie. Pseudomonas

aeruginosa) actually chelates iron. Andy's book explains that

increasing iron will help rid the body of Uranium.

Regarding chelation harming the immune system further and possobly to

the point of non-functionality - this is hogwash. Sorry but your

friend is wrong. Researchers discovered that antibiotics didn't work

when the infection was noted to continue in 5 certain regions of the

body where there were high levels of mercury concentrations. The

bacteria would withdraw into these regions and come out and play

later. They were able to finally overcome patient's bacterial

infections w/ cilantro and antibiotics. However cilantro isn't as

desireable because it only contains one sulfer atom to bind to the

mercury, then can more easily release it. Chelators w/ two sulphers

are better to hold the mercury until it is excreted. But in this

study it probably reduced the concentrations in those areas. Probably

the mercury was crippling the lymphocytes in those certain regions,

allowing the bacteria to thrive, or possibly the mercury defeated the

antibiotic action.

Mark

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> First of all I am so grateful to have found this group! :-) I

have ordered Andy's Counting Rules book and after we fix some gut

issues (we have a consult w/ Dr Krigsman on Monday) we will be moving

on to chelation w/ my 3 year old. I do have a few general

preparation questions - you guys blow me away w/ how much you know...

>

> We had a DDT hair test done in 2004 - should this be updated

before we begin chelation?

>

> I have a friend whose son is on the protocol. She says not

to chelate beacuse the reason our kids are poisoned is because their

immune systems can't clear toxins and if we chelate we will (1) harm

the immune system further and possobly to the point of

non-functionality and (2) all of the toxins will " come back " so it's a

wast of time, money and trauma.

>

> Finally, we are high in lots of metals :-(. Including uranium -

has anyone else encountered this?

>

> Thanks in advance for you responses -- Jenn

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

" Researchers discovered that antibiotics didn't work when the

infection was noted to continue in 5 certain regions of the body where

there were high levels of mercury concentrations. "

Sorry not bacteria but viruses.

http://tinyurl.com/4ljz

Mark

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> First of all I am so grateful to have found this group! :-) I

have ordered Andy's Counting Rules book and after we fix some gut

issues (we have a consult w/ Dr Krigsman on Monday) we will be moving

on to chelation w/ my 3 year old. I do have a few general

preparation questions - you guys blow me away w/ how much you know...

>

> We had a DDT hair test done in 2004 - should this be updated

before we begin chelation?

It isn't necessary, but testing doesn't generally hurt (and this one

is a no needle test).

> I have a friend whose son is on the protocol. She says not

to chelate beacuse the reason our kids are poisoned is because their

immune systems can't clear toxins

Incorrect.

> and if we chelate we will (1) harm the immune system further

Incorrect.

> and possobly to the point of non-functionality and (2) all of the

toxins will " come back "

They won't.

> so it's a wast of time, money and trauma.

It isn't.

The protocol is a lot more likely candidate for such a statement.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

>

> Finally, we are high in lots of metals :-(. Including uranium -

has anyone else encountered this?

This is common and it depends a lot on where you live if it means

anything. What is the number? Where more or less do you live?

A lot of " scatter " or " all high " (different counting rules) tests

appear utterly horrible but aren't.

>

> Thanks in advance for you responses -- Jenn

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Andy,

To answer your uranium question the DDT hair test has it at 0.16.

is also exceptionaly high in aluminum 14, bismuth 0.60, silver 1.9 and titanium

3.7. We live in Columbia MD ( County MD, suburb of Baltimore / DC - no

chemical plants etc...) and we have a reverse osmosis water system (since prior

to 's birth). I just don't understand how this happened...

Thanks again -- Jenn

andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> First of all I am so grateful to have found this group! :-) I

have ordered Andy's Counting Rules book and after we fix some gut

issues (we have a consult w/ Dr Krigsman on Monday) we will be moving

on to chelation w/ my 3 year old. I do have a few general

preparation questions - you guys blow me away w/ how much you know...

>

> We had a DDT hair test done in 2004 - should this be updated

before we begin chelation?

It isn't necessary, but testing doesn't generally hurt (and this one

is a no needle test).

> I have a friend whose son is on the protocol. She says not

to chelate beacuse the reason our kids are poisoned is because their

immune systems can't clear toxins

Incorrect.

> and if we chelate we will (1) harm the immune system further

Incorrect.

> and possobly to the point of non-functionality and (2) all of the

toxins will " come back "

They won't.

> so it's a wast of time, money and trauma.

It isn't.

The protocol is a lot more likely candidate for such a statement.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

>

> Finally, we are high in lots of metals :-(. Including uranium -

has anyone else encountered this?

This is common and it depends a lot on where you live if it means

anything. What is the number? Where more or less do you live?

A lot of " scatter " or " all high " (different counting rules) tests

appear utterly horrible but aren't.

>

> Thanks in advance for you responses -- Jenn

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

>>after we fix some gut issues (we have a consult w/ Dr Krigsman on

Monday) we will be moving on to chelation w/ my 3 year old.

For some kids, you can't " fix " the gut issues until you chelate. So

if it seems like you will never get them fixed, at least try to get

them " reasonably under control " , and then start chelating.

> We had a DDT hair test done in 2004 - should this be updated

before we begin chelation?

If you want, altho not required.

> I have a friend whose son is on the protocol. She says not

to chelate beacuse the reason our kids are poisoned is because their

immune systems can't clear toxins and if we chelate we will (1) harm

the immune system further and possobly to the point of

non-functionality and (2) all of the toxins will " come back " so it's a

wast of time, money and trauma.

My son is doing REALLY WELL with anti-virals, altho I use OTC

supplements and not rx medications. My son is also fully chelated

with ALA. Chelation did not clear the viruses [i chelated him first].

I do know one parent who used IVIG and her son's body started

clearing metals on its own, so she never chelated him. Not sure if

the metals were cleared from the brain, but the boy is NT now.

My son's immune system required much more than chelation, but it

appears that I now have it functioning well, because I have been able

to reduce doses of anti-virals with great success, plus the yeast

issue is almost gone now.

I occasionally add back ALA to chelate what might have been

accumulated since I ended formal chelation, but my son never shows any

difference, so it appears his body is clearing metals by itself now.

It did require much more than " just chelation " to get him here tho.

My son's immune system did need a few things to get it to the point

where it will clear viruses before the viruses invade his brain now.

It appears I might have figured out the right combination, but I won't

know for sure until the next time he gets a cold.

I agree with your friend that many kids' immune systems can't clear

toxins. However, what does that have to do with chelating the metals?

If the immune system can't clear the toxins, and you go in with a

chelator and clear the toxins, it may not mean you have fixed the

immune sytem, but you at least cleared the toxins. Plus, maybe it is

the other way around, and the metals caused the immune system problem.

I mean, I have read lots of stories about kids being on anti-virals

like Valtrex for YEARS, but for my son, I was able to clear his virus

issues in only one year with olive leaf extract. Then the virus

issues came back last September, but I was able to clear them this

time in three months, and I believe I have figured out the immune

problem so hopefully this won't happen again. If people have to use

Valtrex for more than a year, maybe that is because the metals are

causing problems and inhibiting the immune system, and removing the

metals would allow a quicker result like I saw?

> Finally, we are high in lots of metals :-(. Including uranium -

has anyone else encountered this?

First, consider removing sources of current exposures

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your response. We are indeed traeating yeast (going thru

horrible die off right now...). And our gut / feeding issues are significant.

I am very interested in the immune system and the viruses that supposedly fly

" under the radar " on standard tests. Which tests did you get for your son?

Our developmental ped suggested a trial course of antivirals to save us the

time and expense of testing - on one hand I like this idea but on the other I

don't...any opinions?

danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

>>after we fix some gut issues (we have a consult w/ Dr Krigsman on

Monday) we will be moving on to chelation w/ my 3 year old.

For some kids, you can't " fix " the gut issues until you chelate. So

if it seems like you will never get them fixed, at least try to get

them " reasonably under control " , and then start chelating.

> We had a DDT hair test done in 2004 - should this be updated

before we begin chelation?

If you want, altho not required.

> I have a friend whose son is on the protocol. She says not

to chelate beacuse the reason our kids are poisoned is because their

immune systems can't clear toxins and if we chelate we will (1) harm

the immune system further and possobly to the point of

non-functionality and (2) all of the toxins will " come back " so it's a

wast of time, money and trauma.

My son is doing REALLY WELL with anti-virals, altho I use OTC

supplements and not rx medications. My son is also fully chelated

with ALA. Chelation did not clear the viruses [i chelated him first].

I do know one parent who used IVIG and her son's body started

clearing metals on its own, so she never chelated him. Not sure if

the metals were cleared from the brain, but the boy is NT now.

My son's immune system required much more than chelation, but it

appears that I now have it functioning well, because I have been able

to reduce doses of anti-virals with great success, plus the yeast

issue is almost gone now.

I occasionally add back ALA to chelate what might have been

accumulated since I ended formal chelation, but my son never shows any

difference, so it appears his body is clearing metals by itself now.

It did require much more than " just chelation " to get him here tho.

My son's immune system did need a few things to get it to the point

where it will clear viruses before the viruses invade his brain now.

It appears I might have figured out the right combination, but I won't

know for sure until the next time he gets a cold.

I agree with your friend that many kids' immune systems can't clear

toxins. However, what does that have to do with chelating the metals?

If the immune system can't clear the toxins, and you go in with a

chelator and clear the toxins, it may not mean you have fixed the

immune sytem, but you at least cleared the toxins. Plus, maybe it is

the other way around, and the metals caused the immune system problem.

I mean, I have read lots of stories about kids being on anti-virals

like Valtrex for YEARS, but for my son, I was able to clear his virus

issues in only one year with olive leaf extract. Then the virus

issues came back last September, but I was able to clear them this

time in three months, and I believe I have figured out the immune

problem so hopefully this won't happen again. If people have to use

Valtrex for more than a year, maybe that is because the metals are

causing problems and inhibiting the immune system, and removing the

metals would allow a quicker result like I saw?

> Finally, we are high in lots of metals :-(. Including uranium -

has anyone else encountered this?

First, consider removing sources of current exposures

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

Dana

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for your response Andy! :-)

andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> First of all I am so grateful to have found this group! :-) I

have ordered Andy's Counting Rules book and after we fix some gut

issues (we have a consult w/ Dr Krigsman on Monday) we will be moving

on to chelation w/ my 3 year old. I do have a few general

preparation questions - you guys blow me away w/ how much you know...

>

> We had a DDT hair test done in 2004 - should this be updated

before we begin chelation?

It isn't necessary, but testing doesn't generally hurt (and this one

is a no needle test).

> I have a friend whose son is on the protocol. She says not

to chelate beacuse the reason our kids are poisoned is because their

immune systems can't clear toxins

Incorrect.

> and if we chelate we will (1) harm the immune system further

Incorrect.

> and possobly to the point of non-functionality and (2) all of the

toxins will " come back "

They won't.

> so it's a wast of time, money and trauma.

It isn't.

The protocol is a lot more likely candidate for such a statement.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

>

> Finally, we are high in lots of metals :-(. Including uranium -

has anyone else encountered this?

This is common and it depends a lot on where you live if it means

anything. What is the number? Where more or less do you live?

A lot of " scatter " or " all high " (different counting rules) tests

appear utterly horrible but aren't.

>

> Thanks in advance for you responses -- Jenn

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you for your response. We are indeed traeating yeast (going

thru horrible die off right now...). And our gut / feeding issues

are significant. I am very interested in the immune system and the

viruses that supposedly fly " under the radar " on standard tests.

Which tests did you get for your son?

I " tested " by observation.

>>Our developmental ped suggested a trial course of antivirals to

save us the time and expense of testing - on one hand I like this

idea but on the other I don't...any opinions?

I started with olive leaf extract, to prevent colds and flu a few

winters ago. Kids did great. Then I removed it, NASTY regressions!

That was my definitive sign that it was doing something.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you for your response. We are indeed traeating yeast (going

thru horrible die off right now...). And our gut / feeding issues

are significant. I am very interested in the immune system and the

viruses that supposedly fly " under the radar " on standard tests.

Which tests did you get for your son? Our developmental ped

suggested a trial course of antivirals to save us the time and

expense of testing - on one hand I like this idea but on the other I

don't...any opinions?

Your ped is right on this.

Andy

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you for your response. We are indeed traeating yeast (going

thru horrible die off right now...). And our gut / feeding issues

are significant. I am very interested in the immune system and the

viruses that supposedly fly " under the radar " on standard tests.

Which tests did you get for your son? Our developmental ped

suggested a trial course of antivirals to save us the time and

expense of testing - on one hand I like this idea but on the other I

don't...any opinions?

Your ped is right on this.

Andy

[Guest guest]

Check with someone else but from what I remember SAMe isn't a chelator. It may

help and is recommended for people with mercury issues. I just don't think it

moves metals around like you are wanting.

Something that does work...you MUST not have any metal fillings...is ALA,

alpha lipoic acid dose every three hours round the clock for 3 days and then

rest for 4 days. Not sure of exact dose but I give my 40 pound son about 10 mg

at each dose. This will move the metals. It is crucial that you do this

correctly or you will run the risk of just moving around metals and not getting

them out of the body. Chelation can be done very safely but it is like any

medication, correct is good, incorrect isn't.

There are adult chelation groups. Autism/mercury or mercury/autism (can't

remember which) is all about chelation of kids. Andy Cutler is the favored

method man. He is a PhD scientist and is quite the expert. I think he has a

website, you can likely find it easily. Amalgam Illness is the name of the

book. Amazon has it but it takes them FOREVER to get it in, I would pay the

shipping and just order it through the website. Great book. Explains

everything including what supplements to take to help feel better before

chelation. After I get this last filling out I am doing chelation his way. It

is what we are doing with my son and he is handling it very well, no negative

side effects at all.

Just my 2 Cents!

manwithnoname37 <manwithnoname37@...> wrote:

I have a basic question for chelation. I'm taking methionine to better

help with transportation of b vitamins. I'm also taking Vitamins c & e

on a continual basis.

I'm taking sam-eon on and off hopefully as a chelator. What is the

best schedule to take sam-e (# of days on & # of days off) to get the

best effect and does taking these other supplements on a continual

basis affect the chelation process? Should I switch to a schedule with

all of them? I'm very new to the whole chelation thing.

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to add that SAM-e is a methyl donor helping with Methionine

Synthase.

You can read about it here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methionine

SAM-e is belived to work as an antidepressant as well as treatment for

arthiritis pain.

Good luck. Haleh

> I'm taking sam-eon on and off hopefully as a chelator. What is the

> best schedule to take sam-e (# of days on & # of days off) to get the

> best effect and does taking these other supplements on a continual

> basis affect the chelation process? Should I switch to a schedule with

> all of them? I'm very new to the whole chelation thing.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 14:05, beachbodytan2002 wrote:

> I didn't know what chelation was, so I looked it up on the computer.

> you can actually order it from your computer. it says it will remove

> metals, mercury, lead, copper, zinc & cadmuims from your body. It

> also says it can help remove blood clots.

>

> My question is if this " chelation therapy " can remove all the bad

> stuff from our vaccinations. would the vaccine still be affective?

> would you still be protected from all those disease? or, would you be

> like a person that never got vaccinated?

>

** Actually there are tests that are designed to determine what sort of

immunity you do have. It's just most people do not order them. Next time

you are up for vaccines instead ask for a blood titer test. It tells

whether or not your actual ability to fight the disease in question is

still valid. It's more expensive then the vaccines but some people are

already completely protected from the diseases that they are being

vaccinated for and they are just putting poison into their system. It's

safer and a better idea in the long run. Have them test for all the

things that you have been vaccinated for. If you show that you are not

protected you can decide to get the shots. If you are protected then

getting another shot is not needed.

** **

>

> ______________________________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

As far as I know the preservatives that the vaccines are stored in help

increase their shelf life. I do not believe these preservatives have

anything to do with success/failure (depending on whose side you are

on) of vaccines. However, pharm companies have to make a lot of vials,

and these vials have to withstand time.

>

> I didn't know what chelation was, so I looked it up on the computer.

> you can actually order it from your computer. it says it will remove

> metals, mercury, lead, copper, zinc & cadmuims from your body. It

> also says it can help remove blood clots.

>

> My question is if this " chelation therapy " can remove all the bad

> stuff from our vaccinations. would the vaccine still be affective?

> would you still be protected from all those disease? or, would you

be

> like a person that never got vaccinated?

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that infor.

<jett@...> wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 14:05,

beachbodytan2002 wrote:

> I didn't know what chelation was, so I looked it up on the computer.

> you can actually order it from your computer. it says it will remove

> metals, mercury, lead, copper, zinc & cadmuims from your body. It

> also says it can help remove blood clots.

>

> My question is if this " chelation therapy " can remove all the bad

> stuff from our vaccinations. would the vaccine still be affective?

> would you still be protected from all those disease? or, would you be

> like a person that never got vaccinated?

>

** Actually there are tests that are designed to determine what sort of

immunity you do have. It's just most people do not order them. Next time

you are up for vaccines instead ask for a blood titer test. It tells

whether or not your actual ability to fight the disease in question is

still valid. It's more expensive then the vaccines but some people are

already completely protected from the diseases that they are being

vaccinated for and they are just putting poison into their system. It's

safer and a better idea in the long run. Have them test for all the

things that you have been vaccinated for. If you show that you are not

protected you can decide to get the shots. If you are protected then

getting another shot is not needed.

** **

>

> ______________________________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

,

I'm up late so I'll try this one. If you wait to heal the gut

completely, or even almost completely, before you start chelating, and

your child's gut problems are partially a result of heavy metal

toxicity, you will NEVER chelate and therefore NEVER heal the gut.

Many people have found through experience that the ONLY way to heal

the gut is to get through a certain number of rounds of proper

chelation.

Having said that, it is necessary to do all that you can in an effort

to heal the gut. Some of this will be done before you start

chelation, but do NOT postpone chelation for a long time. If the gut

is very bad, get it to some minimum level and be sure to chelate as

gently as possible using Andy's protocol.

Gut healing measures such as enzymes, probiotics, special diet,

antifungals, etc, will all be done while you chelate. The more toxic

metals you remove, the more likely it is that your gut healing

measures will be effective.

I hope this helps,

Anita

>

> Hi I hope someone can give me some info since I keep reading and

> getting conflicting info. Should you do chelation first before

> repairing the gut or should you repair the gut first and then

> chelate??? Why are there so many conflicting opinions out there??? I

> am new at this. Thanks for any responses.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi I hope someone can give me some info since I keep reading and

> getting conflicting info. Should you do chelation first before

> repairing the gut or should you repair the gut first and then

> chelate???

I would get the gut " reasonably under control " , and then consider

chelating. For many kids, you can't heal/repair the gut until you

chelate. But if the gut is not " reasonably under control " , chelation

can cause problems.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have a couple of questions also about this. If anyone can answer, I would

really appreciate it.1. why does everyone say heal the gut first-what impact

does this have on chelation. 2. I have heard from parents and at least 1 doctor

to chelate before 4 years old if possible is important, is this true? 3. I have

read of people doing many rounds of chelation...5-6, how many is too many and

isn't this hard on the liver and 4. What are the best liversupport supplements

during chealtion. I appreciate any and all input. We are getting ready to

chealte. Thank you,

[ ] Re: Chelation Question

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I'm up late so I'll try this one. If you wait to heal the gut

completely, or even almost completely, before you start chelating, and

your child's gut problems are partially a result of heavy metal

toxicity, you will NEVER chelate and therefore NEVER heal the gut.

Many people have found through experience that the ONLY way to heal

the gut is to get through a certain number of rounds of proper

chelation.

Having said that, it is necessary to do all that you can in an effort

to heal the gut. Some of this will be done before you start

chelation, but do NOT postpone chelation for a long time. If the gut

is very bad, get it to some minimum level and be sure to chelate as

gently as possible using Andy's protocol.

Gut healing measures such as enzymes, probiotics, special diet,

antifungals, etc, will all be done while you chelate. The more toxic

metals you remove, the more likely it is that your gut healing

measures will be effective.

I hope this helps,

Anita

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> Hi I hope someone can give me some info since I keep reading and

> getting conflicting info. Should you do chelation first before

> repairing the gut or should you repair the gut first and then

> chelate??? Why are there so many conflicting opinions out there??? I

> am new at this. Thanks for any responses.

>

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Hi,<BR>

I have a couple of questions also about this. If anyone can answer, I would

really appreciate it.1.  why does everyone say heal the gut first-what impact

does this have on chelation.

*It's mainly docs (and some people who believe them) who say that. Docs benefit

financially if they keep having you return for office visits. They don't profit

much if any when people figure out they can chelate without a doc.

2. I have heard from parents and at least 1 doctor to chelate before 4 years old

if possible is important, is this true?

*The sooner the better, but it's never too late. Less catching up to do,

socially and academically and less time with a label, potentially easier to keep

them on a diet when they're younger, etc.

3. I have read of people doing many rounds of chelation...5-6, how many is too

many and isn't this hard on the liver

*It takes many, many rounds, many more than 5 or 6. the toxins being chelated

are hard on the liver, but there are supports like milk thistle which help and

doing it low and slow helps make it easier on the liver.

4. What are the best liver support supplements during chealtion.

*Milk thistle is one of them.

I appreciate any and all input. We are getting ready to chealte.

*I presume the individual about to begin chelation has NO mercury amalgam dental

fillings. Please use Andy Cutler's protocol.

Thank you, <BR>

 

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