Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Here is a current source of information on mercury toxicity from Web MD. If I'm not mistaken, this site is used as a resource within the medical community (correct me if I'm wrong -- I know my son's ped. has used it in the past). Anyway, I stumbled across this a few days ago while researching the topic. Check under the headings of " causes " and " treatments " (can't remember the specifics.....but you get the picture)..... it speaks of thimersol's current use in certain childhood vaccines. @...: cnickerson37@...: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:09:54 -0500Subject: Re: [ ] Re: 2nd son due for mmr help!!!!! There are some interesting videos on the polio vaccine and HIV that plagues Africa. The rolling stonemagazine had an article about it but then someone " proved " it to be inaccurate. But now again it has beenproven to be true with evidence of that early polio vaccine about the use of the chimpanzeelivers that contained the virus. It was originally tested in Africa and the epicenter of the AIDs virus is rightwhere they began testing it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64f51lCNP9Yhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Wh\ lelCF00 & NR=1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue6Q9YrHCng & feature=relatedAnd as for mercury being removed from the shots. That is not entirely true. The HebB shotstill contains it and so does the flu shot. Tetanus shots have it and the other ones use it not asa perservative but in the manufacturing process although they filter it out and only trace amountsare left. However, those trace amounts are more than the standard allowed in water, andthose trace amounts add up.Also, the perservative used a lot is aluminum. It definitely plays a role in the autismand other developmental disorders of childhood. Just think of the studies withaltzheimers paitients and their levels of aluminum.georgies_mama wrote:> I think it is from the other toxins like aluminum and also from the > number of vaccines they give. Too many viruses given at once throw off > the immune system. In nature, we would never have the measles, mumps, > ruebella, and chicken pox all at the same time. The shot schedule is > not natural. >> Did you ever read the article in Rolling Stone regarding the secret > meeting that was held to cover=up vaccines role in autism?>> Michele>> > >> Does anyone know why, if they removed the mercury from the shots why >> > they > >> still cause a problem? Jen>>>>>>>> **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL >> > Living. > >> (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel->> > campos-duffy/> >> 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Sorry, here's the link.....a lot on my mind. www.emedicine.com/emerg/TOPIC813.HTM Hope it works. If not, just google mercury toxicity. It'll come up. @...: hanagan_8@...: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:31:46 -0800Subject: RE: [ ] Re: 2nd son due for mmr help!!!!! Here is a current source of information on mercury toxicity from Web MD. If I'm not mistaken, this site is used as a resource within the medical community (correct me if I'm wrong -- I know my son's ped. has used it in the past). Anyway, I stumbled across this a few days ago while researching the topic. Check under the headings of " causes " and " treatments " (can't remember the specifics.....but you get the picture)..... it speaks of thimersol's current use in certain childhood vaccines. @...: cnickerson37@...: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 23:09:54 -0500Subject: Re: [ ] Re: 2nd son due for mmr help!!!!!There are some interesting videos on the polio vaccine and HIV that plagues Africa. The rolling stonemagazine had an article about it but then someone " proved " it to be inaccurate. But now again it has beenproven to be true with evidence of that early polio vaccine about the use of the chimpanzeelivers that contained the virus. It was originally tested in Africa and the epicenter of the AIDs virus is rightwhere they began testing it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64f51lCNP9Yhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Wh\ lelCF00 & NR=1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue6Q9YrHCng & feature=relatedAnd as for mercury being removed from the shots. That is not entirely true. The HebB shotstill contains it and so does the flu shot. Tetanus shots have it and the other ones use it not asa perservative but in the manufacturing process although they filter it out and only trace amountsare left. However, those trace amounts are more than the standard allowed in water, andthose trace amounts add up.Also, the perservative used a lot is aluminum. It definitely plays a role in the autismand other developmental disorders of childhood. Just think of the studies withaltzheimers paitients and their levels of aluminum.georgies_mama wrote:> I think it is from the other toxins like aluminum and also from the > number of vaccines they give. Too many viruses given at once throw off > the immune system. In nature, we would never have the measles, mumps, > ruebella, and chicken pox all at the same time. The shot schedule is > not natural. >> Did you ever read the article in Rolling Stone regarding the secret > meeting that was held to cover=up vaccines role in autism?>> Michele>> > >> Does anyone know why, if they removed the mercury from the shots why >> > they > >> still cause a problem? Jen>>>>>>>> **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL >> > Living. > >> (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel->> > campos-duffy/> >> 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 In a message dated 3/1/2008 8:07:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jennyjudy@... writes: Does anyone know why, if they removed the mercury from the shots why they still cause a problem? Jen Jen- They are still allowed to put " traces " of the preservatives into the vaccines and still be under the guidelines of the FDA. Those trace amounts will still effect the children-- especially those who are susceptible in the first place. becky **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 In a message dated 3/1/2008 8:22:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jennyjudy@... writes: I am fearful if I don't get him immunized that he will catch something and get very very ill. I know people have stated that it is rare that you could and would get any of these things but there is a chance, and contrary to what some think the diseases that could be contracted could be deadly. Any ideas. Jen Well, Jen-- here's the precise problem. Yes, while there are some viruses that they can contract that CAN POSSIBLY be dangerous-- which risk factor is higher? A child with a known neuro disorder is already susceptible to those toxins, so MORE toxins in their systems will only worsen their condition, in my experience. It will also lower their immune system so they wouldn't be able to fight off these typical childhood viruses/diseases if they ever come in contact with them. I will say that personally speaking-- in my own experience and seeing many, many families affected negatively by vaccines, I believe that the risk factor is HIGHER in getting those vaccines than the slim chance that the children ever contract the disease. Do some research on the viruses themselves and see what your child's risk factors would be. There are TONS of books out there that can help give neutral information where you can research the diseases and the risk factors and how you as a parent can be PROACTIVELY protecting your child against those in the first place whether the kids are vaxxed or unvaxxed. There was a book I suggested--- The Vaccine Guide by Randall Neustaeder that you can find on amazon.com-- here's a link. I find it to be a great starter reference guide for parents _http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Guide-Making-Informed-Choice/dp/1556432151/ref= pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1204562594 & sr=8-2_ (http://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Guide-Making-Informed-Choice/dp/1556432151/ref=pd\ _bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1204562594 & sr=8-2) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 In a message dated 3/1/2008 8:55:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, makeitbetter@... writes: The mercury (aka thimerosal, organic mercury, ethylmercury) has been reduced but not eliminated. It was only recommended in 1999 by the AAP to remove it, but that has not happened. They say they no longer use it as a " preservative " in some vaccines, but they do still use it in the production of those same vaccines saying that they " filter it out at the end " leaving only a " trace " - the problem is that " trace " is still extremely high parts per billion (ppb) and when you do multiple vaccines you get the accumulative effect of each having a " trace " amount that becomes a more than trace amount. This is a MUCH more thorough explanation than my quick one!! Thank you! becky **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I don't mean to sound dumb but people mention things in the achieves, how do you get that information??? Jen **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Also, most flu shots still have thimerosal in them. > > > In a message dated 3/1/2008 8:07:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jennyjudy@... writes: > > Does anyone know why, if they removed the mercury from the shots why they > still cause a problem? Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Mercury fre shots have aluminum in them aside from trace mercury. If a kid can't excrete that it could do damage. There is good info in the archives on this. Apparently they took aluminum out of pet shots 10 years ago...hmm. Plus, it may not be the preservative but the shot itself. Lots at play there. If I can finnd the archive I am referring to I will post. > > > In a message dated 3/1/2008 8:07:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jennyjudy@... writes: > > Does anyone know why, if they removed the mercury from the shots why they > still cause a problem? Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I don't know how you can proactively protect your child against theses viruses if they are not immunized and they go to school with other children who are not immunized. You cannot keep a child in the house their whole life, and yes, these children can die from some of these illnesses. I do everything in my power to protect my child but due to being on the autism spectrum his immune system is weaker anyway. Many people have vaccinated later or spread out the shots. Yes, I would feel awful and sick if his autism got worse and I would never forgive myself, I also would never forgive myself if he died from some disease I could have protected him from. You say it is rare that these illnesses would be contracted but think about it a whole bunch of non immunized children running around spreading germs. Yuck. Guess I will just have to go with my gut, either way I lose. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 If you go into messages and type in something like vaccines, it will pull up old messages containing that subject. > > I don't mean to sound dumb but people mention things in the achieves, how do > you get that information??? Jen > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Yes, plan on this, thanks Jen **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I have heard that many spectrum kids when the tithers are checked are found to be immune. You could chek those to help aid you in your decision. > > I don't know how you can proactively protect your child against theses > viruses if they are not immunized and they go to school with other children who > are not immunized. You cannot keep a child in the house their whole life, and > yes, these children can die from some of these illnesses. I do everything in > my power to protect my child but due to being on the autism spectrum his > immune system is weaker anyway. Many people have vaccinated later or spread out > the shots. Yes, I would feel awful and sick if his autism got worse and I > would never forgive myself, I also would never forgive myself if he died from > some disease I could have protected him from. You say it is rare that these > illnesses would be contracted but think about it a whole bunch of non > immunized children running around spreading germs. Yuck. Guess I will just have to > go with my gut, either way I lose. > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Hey all..... I remember months ago watching some newscast that indicated that we can actually 'test' our children to see if they would react to the vaccines but that the doctors don't do it because it is too expensive. Does anybody remember this from anywhere or know what the test might be called? , I know that I either read about it or 'saw' it on TV.... but I paid it no mind since Mark has already had all of his shots. I remember there being a test that you could do to see if your child would be geneticly prone to vaccination injury. I just have no idea where this info came from. Perhaps ask around on this? I know it's a long shot but I do remember this in my mind. I have read so many books and seen so many articles and papers on this subject (autism/NDD) that I cannot recall with any acuracy..... but keep your eyes open because I have heard that this 'test' exists. I distinctly remember this being from a credible source such as a TV interview or from a book...... perhaps Evidence of Harm by Kirby? ....not sure.... Anyone know what I am talking about? Anyone? Sorry I cannot be of more help here...... I know that there are safer vaccination schedules and there are different sources of vaccines that are reported to be better then others..... There are books on this subject and although I haven't read it, I have heard via the internet that " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations " by Dr. Stephanee Cave is very good and helpful when planning a safer vaccination schedule for your child. This is heresay only and I have not personally read this book. Janice Mother of Mark, 13 [sPAM]Re: [ ] Re: 2nd son due for mmr help!!!!! I don't know how you can proactively protect your child against theses viruses if they are not immunized and they go to school with other children who are not immunized. You cannot keep a child in the house their whole life, and yes, these children can die from some of these illnesses. I do everything in my power to protect my child but due to being on the autism spectrum his immune system is weaker anyway. Many people have vaccinated later or spread out the shots. Yes, I would feel awful and sick if his autism got worse and I would never forgive myself, I also would never forgive myself if he died from some disease I could have protected him from. You say it is rare that these illnesses would be contracted but think about it a whole bunch of non immunized children running around spreading germs. Yuck. Guess I will just have to go with my gut, either way I lose. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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