Re: 2nd son due for mmr help!!!!!

[Guest guest]

What is the Hep A issue? I just want to tell you something sort of

ironic about this: my old pediatrician was very religious and most of

the religious objections, if she knew of them, she would have. She

used to get mad when I simply asked if we could space the catch up

vaccines. Her sub doc suggested that when we were behind my doc would

have given him 6 shots, including the MMR at one time. Considering he

had reactions anyway to 6 over the course of three months I can only

imagine if we had done them all at once. The vaccines in our case

seem to have aggravated underlying stuff but I can never know exactly

the while story. I do know though that stories of sticking to

schedule above all else, with preemies, when a kid is sick, really

bug me.

>

> > So in your state you can cherry pick the religious exemption

against

> > particular vccines. Not an all or nothing thing?

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't speak to all Catholic schools, but this is what I have

heard: a family with six kids wanted to skip the chicken pox vaccine

because it purportedly was developed using cells from an aborted

fetus. They objected AS CATHOLICS. The Msgr. declined their

request. He said that the Diocese of Trenton sets the vaccine

schedule and they follow it. Period. I assume they would comply

with a medical exemption -- that wasn't an option for that family.

So, in a ridiculous twist, they pulled their kids from the school to

follow their religious beliefs. That's why I am really pulling for

NJ to approve a philosophical objection. I think the school would

accept that.

I have no idea if what the school did is legal, but they have been

very accomodating to my family and . I'm sure the Msgr. feels

he is protecting the children and what's past is past (re: the fetal

cells issue).

> > >

> > > Hi, Bridger my middle child is apraxic. My youngest

> Brevin 'typical'

> > > was due today for his 18 month MMR. I cancelled the

appointment

> as I

> > > chickened out and in my lack of knowledge I wanted to recruit

you

> > guys

> > > for advice. If you were me how would you handle the MMR at

this

> > point?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

For those of you who are unfamiliar, NJ is the only? state that

requires doctors to offer the titer in lieu of the MMR booster. You

would be appalled at the shabby way our practice handle this " offer " ,

but at least they comply with the law.

I personally know one child who stopped breathing while still at the

pediatrician's office right after receiving her first DTAP. I think

it was the pertussis element. Anyway, all vaccines carry risks.

They need to be balanced by the risk of getting the targeted

disease. Thus, not all are as mandatory as others. That's why I'm

putting off the chicken pox vaccine: I'm not worried about it.

Interestingly, there has been a huge increase in shingles because of

the chicken pox vaccine. The theory is that children developed first

immunity from getting the disease, and then parents got a natural

booster when their own children got the disease. Now that parents

aren't getting their natural booster, they are getting shingles at an

increasing rate. And the solution? A new vaccine for shingles, of

course.

Now, I have never had chicken pox, and as soon as I am not pregnant

or nursing, I plan to vaccinate myself. As an adult, chicken pox is

not a good thing.

in NJ

> >

> >

> >

> > Personally speaking, I am NOT in favor of most of the vaccines.

> The MMR is

> > one that I am least favorable about. It seems as though the

> children who *DO*

> > react to the MMR, will most likely respond in a negative

reaction

> with the

> > SECOND DOSE. The first tends to be relatively " harmless "

according

> to most

> > studies I've seen (Although personally I still would debate that

> fact), but the

> > SECOND one seems to be where most kids will react negatively.

> >

> > I could sit and tell you " horror " stories of those I know

> personally (one

> > of them with a death involved), but most people will claim that

> it's not

> > " factual " since it's not documented as an adverse reaction to the

> vaccines, or

> > since it's not part of some sort of Scientific research on

vaccines

> etc. But I

> > can guarantee that these ARE, in fact, true life stories of real

> people and

> > their children.

> >

> >

> > Becky

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Please , know I was only asking because a friend here was going

to change to a Catholic school to sort of mull over the issue for a

while. I asked to see if that was an option for her. Not questioning

your school or decisions. That was my parish a while back and I like

it and your stories of how good they are to your kids are what I want

for my kids if they go some day.

I do think a lot of times the whole liability thing comes into play.

Just the world we live in.

[Guest guest]

I'm hoping never to have to do either, but NJ is vaccine crazy these

days. They are now requiring the flu shot for preschoolers. I can't

wait to see how the school district handles this for Tyler in two

years. I will not give it to him, and they will be required to

provide services, so I assume they will accept a religious objection

from us. Our pediatricians office infuriatingly has refused to

purchase thimerosal-free flu shots for children over 3, so that's

out. If the time comes, I'll research whatever the current options

are and make a decision from there. Definitely not rushing to get

flu mist!

>

>

> In a message dated 2/28/2008 6:40:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> bigcheech91@... writes:

>

> Will do flu mist if forced to

> vaccinate by school at some point.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> You should check into this, because the flu mist is a live virus

and there

> are other issues that would come from it.

>

> becky

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Having had chickenpox while pregnant as an adult I agree. Just to let

you know though you may be resistant to the vaccine. My cousin doc is

and they seem to think a lot of us who have not had it (though not

me) are immune.

>

> For those of you who are unfamiliar, NJ is the only? state that

> requires doctors to offer the titer in lieu of the MMR booster.

You

> would be appalled at the shabby way our practice handle

this " offer " ,

> but at least they comply with the law.

>

> I personally know one child who stopped breathing while still at

the

> pediatrician's office right after receiving her first DTAP. I

think

> it was the pertussis element. Anyway, all vaccines carry risks.

> They need to be balanced by the risk of getting the targeted

> disease. Thus, not all are as mandatory as others. That's why I'm

> putting off the chicken pox vaccine: I'm not worried about it.

>

> Interestingly, there has been a huge increase in shingles because

of

> the chicken pox vaccine. The theory is that children developed

first

> immunity from getting the disease, and then parents got a natural

> booster when their own children got the disease. Now that parents

> aren't getting their natural booster, they are getting shingles at

an

> increasing rate. And the solution? A new vaccine for shingles, of

> course.

>

> Now, I have never had chicken pox, and as soon as I am not pregnant

> or nursing, I plan to vaccinate myself. As an adult, chicken pox

is

> not a good thing.

>

> in NJ

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! I had no idea that there was an issue with preemie status and shot

schedule. This makes me even more infuriated.

By the way, Dr Sears had an article in Parents Magazine a few months back that

spoke about a delayed/selective schedule for the various shots. He outlined

which ones were controversial, and which ones were pretty important.....He also

spoke about breaking up the combo shots, etc.....I'll look for that edition and

post.

@...: tbniesh@...: Thu, 28 Feb

2008 21:30:32 -0500Subject: Re: [ ] Re: 2nd son due for mmr

help!!!!!

In a message dated 2/28/2008 9:15:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

lizlaw@... writes:I do know though that stories of sticking to

schedule above all else, with preemies, when a kid is sick, really bug me.This

is especially a pet peeve of mine as well. I am not sure why the Peds seem to

INSIST that preemies receive their vaccines on the same schedule as the

full-term babies. There are SO many reasons why NOT to give them at the same

rate/pace-- but common sense just screams that it doesn't make sense!If I'm not

mistaken, in some of the manufacturer's own information packets, some of these

are CONTRAINDICATED for preemies, and yet the peds still say to get them done.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for your input. I realize this is a very delicate

issue and needs to be an individual choice however, I'm grateful to

have the experience of this group to weigh in as well!! I will contact

the dr. regarding the split mmr as well as the possible pre-test for

immmunity. I also appreciated the comments regarding the health of you

child at time of vaccination. Warmly.

>

> Hi, Bridger my middle child is apraxic. My youngest Brevin 'typical'

> was due today for his 18 month MMR. I cancelled the appointment as I

> chickened out and in my lack of knowledge I wanted to recruit you

guys

> for advice. If you were me how would you handle the MMR at this

point?

>

[Guest guest]

I think the docs are stuck because of overall pressure. The last time

I brought my daughter to the pediatrician we were in the middle of

figuring out celiac, growing hair in, etc. Since we had an unknown

autoimmunity thing going on I told the doc we were not vaccinating

until we figured this out. He was a different doc than we usually see

and pretty understanding. I had to sign a waiver. He mentioned the

pressure to stay on schedule for school or they won't let the kids in

and here in NJ there are so many shots I guess that is a big deal. We

really need a system overhaul. Safety and common sense ned to prevail

rather than manufactured urgency.

>

>

> Wow! I had no idea that there was an issue with preemie status and

shot schedule. This makes me even more infuriated.

>

> By the way, Dr Sears had an article in Parents Magazine a few

months back that spoke about a delayed/selective schedule for the

various shots. He outlined which ones were controversial, and which

ones were pretty important.....He also spoke about breaking up the

combo shots, etc.....I'll look for that edition and post.

>

>

>

>

> @...: tbniesh@...: Thu, 28 Feb 2008

21:30:32 -0500Subject: Re: [ ] Re: 2nd son due for

mmr help!!!!!

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 2/28/2008 9:15:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

lizlaw@... writes:I do know though that stories of sticking to

schedule above all else, with preemies, when a kid is sick, really

bug me.This is especially a pet peeve of mine as well. I am not sure

why the Peds seem to INSIST that preemies receive their vaccines on

the same schedule as the full-term babies. There are SO many reasons

why NOT to give them at the same rate/pace-- but common sense just

screams that it doesn't make sense!If I'm not mistaken, in some of

the manufacturer's own information packets, some of these are

CONTRAINDICATED for preemies, and yet the peds still say to get them

done. ARghhhBecky**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/29/2008 9:36:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

babyjjmama@... writes:

If it were me, I would hold my child tight and run like mad from the

MMR shot. My son lost language, eye contact, waving/high five, started

stimming ... basically fell into autism ... within two weeks of getting

his MMR. A few days after his shot he got a fever and rash and then

fell into this nightmare known as autism. It may be coincidence, but I

will regret the day I signed on the line and held him down for that

darn shot for the rest of my life.

Michele-

I am one of many people who do not believe it's a " coincidence " . I believe

that there IS a connection. If a child is perfectly healthy one moment and

then within days has an adverse reaction that leads to an autistic child--

there's a connection to SOMETHING, and I believe that it's the toxins in the

vaccines.

Hence the reason we stopped vaxxing altogether for all of our kids. I know

that some find that to be risky, but I feel that it's RISKIER to get them!

The very thought of what my Apraxic child *COULD* be like if we had given him

ANY vaccinations -- the thought terrifies me! :-(

The best any of us can do is just research it the best we can, and go by our

GUTS and instincts that are God-Given, and pray for the best. It truly *IS*

a gamble either way--- so we just have to figure out where the odds lay the

most.

I wouldn't beat yourself up about it, because you didn't do anything wrong--

you were following the advice of people that should know better. Just trust

that you know better NOW and take things from here and never look back. In

the meantime-- use your story to help millions of others and educate them as

to YOUR child's reaction to the MMR and even if it helps just ONE precious

child-- it's worth offending people, in my opinion.

Did you report the adverse reaction to VAERS?

Becky

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[Guest guest]

It actually worse than that -- a few years back, before I was really

against the flu shot, our pediatrician mistakenly told us that they

did have the right shots. When we got into the room, I tried to

confirm that it was thimerosal-free, and the shot nurse said they

never have those for kids over three. So I refused the shot, and she

looked at me like I was beating my child in front of her. That was

probably day one of my REALLY paying attention to every shots,

prescription, and lab test result, so I guess I should thank them for

that.

As far as I know, they still don't carry the proper shots. I see

why -- they've been giving shots for decades with thimerosal. To

admit that they were wrong all those years would be risky.

in NJ

>

>

> In a message dated 2/28/2008 9:50:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> bigcheech91@... writes:

>

> Our pediatricians office infuriatingly has refused to

> purchase thimerosal-free flu shots for children over 3

>

>

>

>

> Oh my goodness-- whatever for??? Do they think that kids OVER 3

aren't

> going to have the same toxic problems?? :-( This would

infuriate me as well

>

>

> becky

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I have not pursued this but is it possible to order the fresh shots

via Hopewll Rx or is the issue:

1) Your doc won't permit that and

2) It is a volume thing and you can't get just one?

>

> It actually worse than that -- a few years back, before I was

really

> against the flu shot, our pediatrician mistakenly told us that they

> did have the right shots. When we got into the room, I tried to

> confirm that it was thimerosal-free, and the shot nurse said they

> never have those for kids over three. So I refused the shot, and

she

> looked at me like I was beating my child in front of her. That was

> probably day one of my REALLY paying attention to every shots,

> prescription, and lab test result, so I guess I should thank them

for

> that.

>

> As far as I know, they still don't carry the proper shots. I see

> why -- they've been giving shots for decades with thimerosal. To

> admit that they were wrong all those years would be risky.

>

> in NJ

[Guest guest]

this email was not directed at me but if I were you I would look for a

pediatrician that practices " safe vaccination " . We're seeing a DAN in

South Jersey that also is a pediatrician who does this. Vaccinations

are spaced out and testing done in between to monitor for immune

system damages.

>

> Hi, Bridger my middle child is apraxic. My youngest

Brevin 'typical'

> was due today for his 18 month MMR. I cancelled the appointment as

I

> chickened out and in my lack of knowledge I wanted to recruit you

guys

> for advice. If you were me how would you handle the MMR at this

point?

>

[Guest guest]

If it were me, I would hold my child tight and run like mad from the

MMR shot. My son lost language, eye contact, waving/high five, started

stimming ... basically fell into autism ... within two weeks of getting

his MMR. A few days after his shot he got a fever and rash and then

fell into this nightmare known as autism. It may be coincidence, but I

will regret the day I signed on the line and held him down for that

darn shot for the rest of my life. Not to start a debate, but I think

in a child who is vulnerable, the MMR can cause autism. When I was a

kid I had the MMR each a year apart starting at age thre. I don't

remember any kids dying from these diseases (or flu for that matter ...

why the sudden panic over flu). I wish I did the same shot schedule on

my kids that was done on me. Oh, how life could be different. Too bad

there is no such thing as a 'do over'.

Michele

>

> Hi, Bridger my middle child is apraxic. My youngest Brevin 'typical'

> was due today for his 18 month MMR. I cancelled the appointment as I

> chickened out and in my lack of knowledge I wanted to recruit you

guys

> for advice. If you were me how would you handle the MMR at this

point?

>

[Guest guest]

I love our school, warts and all, but we all have to prioritize based

on our personal beliefs. If the vaccine question is important to

your friend, she should clarify the school's policy before

registering. I'm sure some pastors are more willing to look the

other way than others.

>

> Please , know I was only asking because a friend here was going

> to change to a Catholic school to sort of mull over the issue for a

> while. I asked to see if that was an option for her. Not questioning

> your school or decisions. That was my parish a while back and I like

> it and your stories of how good they are to your kids are what I

want

> for my kids if they go some day.

>

> I do think a lot of times the whole liability thing comes into play.

> Just the world we live in.

>

[Guest guest]

Sadly, not me. Titers were negative for immunity. And let me tell

you, my mother tried to give it to me back in the day. When my

sister had it, she fed me with the same spoon. When the neighbors

had it, she told me to go play with them. Never got it. Hopefully

that will continue. I guess I should be grateful that most of the

kids are vaccinated, because they are all protecting me.

> >

> > For those of you who are unfamiliar, NJ is the only? state that

> > requires doctors to offer the titer in lieu of the MMR booster.

> You

> > would be appalled at the shabby way our practice handle

> this " offer " ,

> > but at least they comply with the law.

> >

> > I personally know one child who stopped breathing while still at

> the

> > pediatrician's office right after receiving her first DTAP. I

> think

> > it was the pertussis element. Anyway, all vaccines carry risks.

> > They need to be balanced by the risk of getting the targeted

> > disease. Thus, not all are as mandatory as others. That's why

I'm

> > putting off the chicken pox vaccine: I'm not worried about it.

> >

> > Interestingly, there has been a huge increase in shingles because

> of

> > the chicken pox vaccine. The theory is that children developed

> first

> > immunity from getting the disease, and then parents got a natural

> > booster when their own children got the disease. Now that parents

> > aren't getting their natural booster, they are getting shingles at

> an

> > increasing rate. And the solution? A new vaccine for shingles,

of

> > course.

> >

> > Now, I have never had chicken pox, and as soon as I am not

pregnant

> > or nursing, I plan to vaccinate myself. As an adult, chicken pox

> is

> > not a good thing.

> >

> > in NJ

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I asked that they special order it for me, and I would pay in

advance. They said no. I didn't know about Hopewell Pharmacy until

later, and by then I had decided not to go forward with the flu shot.

> >

> > It actually worse than that -- a few years back, before I was

> really

> > against the flu shot, our pediatrician mistakenly told us that

they

> > did have the right shots. When we got into the room, I tried to

> > confirm that it was thimerosal-free, and the shot nurse said they

> > never have those for kids over three. So I refused the shot, and

> she

> > looked at me like I was beating my child in front of her. That

was

> > probably day one of my REALLY paying attention to every shots,

> > prescription, and lab test result, so I guess I should thank them

> for

> > that.

> >

> > As far as I know, they still don't carry the proper shots. I see

> > why -- they've been giving shots for decades with thimerosal. To

> > admit that they were wrong all those years would be risky.

> >

> > in NJ

>

[Guest guest]

I have had all of my 3 kids vaccinated on time and they are all up to

date. Several of the shots were multiple vaccines in one. I did speak

with our dr about the MMR when my oldest was getting ready for it b/c

that's when the talk was huge about MMR causing autism. I've

personally always thought it was just coincidental - that's the same

age that many children start showing signs of autism. Just b/c the 2

happen around the same age, does not prove to me that it causes it, so

we went forward with the all of the shots for all of our children. My

dr. was very informative and of course I did my own research about it

too, after all they are my babies. I would do whatever you feel is

best for your child. By the way, all of my kids did fine, never had

any reactions to them. My son (who has apraxia) was already a " late

talker " in my opinion at the time, so I can't/don't/won't blame that on

vaccines given to him. Yes we hear the horror stories re:vaccines, but

I think that's true with just about anything (cars, airplanes, food,

schools, etc). Just my thoughts, take care, Bonnie

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know why, if they removed the mercury from the shots why they

still cause a problem? Jen

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[Guest guest]

I really am so troubled about my son's five year appointment at the Dr's in

September, it has been on my mind for a long time. I am trying to figure out

what to do with regards to the shots. I am not convinced that these shots

cause autism, apraxia or anything else, I guess there is a chance they might.

My

son has apraxia and autism and I fear that anymore shots will make his

situation worse. I have Dr Bock's book and have not gotten to the chapter about

how

to separate the shots, but then I have also read that separating the MMR

shot does not do any good. I think the schedule says they are supposed to get

four shots at the five year appointment which I know for a fact I will not let

him have all at once, no way. I am fearful if I don't get him immunized that

he will catch something and get very very ill. I know people have stated

that it is rare that you could and would get any of these things but there is a

chance, and contrary to what some think the diseases that could be contracted

could be deadly. Any ideas. Jen

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[Guest guest]

jennyjudy@... wrote

> Does anyone know why, if they removed the mercury from the shots why they

> still cause a problem? Jen

The MMR doesn't contain mercury...although it secretly did at one time

(Merck is being sued for that little coverup).

The mercury (aka thimerosal, organic mercury, ethylmercury) has been

reduced but not eliminated. It was only recommended in 1999 by the AAP

to remove it, but that has not happened. They say they no longer use

it as a " preservative " in some vaccines, but they do still use it in the

production of those same vaccines saying that they " filter it out at the

end " leaving only a " trace " - the problem is that " trace " is still

extremely high parts per billion (ppb) and when you do multiple vaccines

you get the accumulative effect of each having a " trace " amount that

becomes a more than trace amount.

I am on my way out the door for kids' swim lessons, but can provide the

" anxiously awaited links " to support my summary later, including the

" official " CDC website showing which vaccine has what.

[Guest guest]

I think it is from the other toxins like aluminum and also from the

number of vaccines they give. Too many viruses given at once throw off

the immune system. In nature, we would never have the measles, mumps,

ruebella, and chicken pox all at the same time. The shot schedule is

not natural.

Did you ever read the article in Rolling Stone regarding the secret

meeting that was held to cover=up vaccines role in autism?

Michele

>

> Does anyone know why, if they removed the mercury from the shots why

they

> still cause a problem? Jen

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

There are some interesting videos on the polio vaccine and HIV that

plagues Africa. The rolling stone

magazine had an article about it but then someone " proved " it to be

inaccurate. But now again it has been

proven to be true with evidence of that early polio vaccine about the

use of the chimpanzee

livers that contained the virus. It was originally tested in Africa and

the epicenter of the AIDs virus is right

where they began testing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64f51lCNP9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2WhlelCF00 & NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue6Q9YrHCng & feature=related

And as for mercury being removed from the shots. That is not entirely

true. The HebB shot

still contains it and so does the flu shot. Tetanus shots have it and

the other ones use it not as

a perservative but in the manufacturing process although they filter it

out and only trace amounts

are left. However, those trace amounts are more than the standard

allowed in water, and

those trace amounts add up.

Also, the perservative used a lot is aluminum. It definitely plays a

role in the autism

and other developmental disorders of childhood. Just think of the

studies with

altzheimers paitients and their levels of aluminum.

georgies_mama wrote:

> I think it is from the other toxins like aluminum and also from the

> number of vaccines they give. Too many viruses given at once throw off

> the immune system. In nature, we would never have the measles, mumps,

> ruebella, and chicken pox all at the same time. The shot schedule is

> not natural.

>

> Did you ever read the article in Rolling Stone regarding the secret

> meeting that was held to cover=up vaccines role in autism?

>

> Michele

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>> Does anyone know why, if they removed the mercury from the shots why

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> they

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>> still cause a problem? Jen

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[Guest guest]

I concur with this. Mark had a slight cold when we vaccinated the MMR and

the nurse said it was okay. I later found out that it was not. Of

course, Mark slept for almost 10 hours following the shot!

I will always wonder about this. If I were to do it again, I would

vaccinate but never on time.... always late! Try to get your baby nice

and healthy and always ensure that they are absolutely at the peak of

health before vaccination.

NO Tylenol as it suppresses the immune system!

Janice

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[Guest guest]

We did vaccinations for my second son starting at 2. Catastophic! Even

late vaccination is not going to prevent the inevitable. It will only

make clearer the relationship between the vaccine and the negative

reaction. It is hard to see the neurological effects of a vaccine

on a two month old. The following months of illness would be possilbly

contributed teething, colic, ear infections. However,

when you have a two year old that has a reaction, you can't blame it on

teething, colic, etc, and doctors may be able to

directly link the vaccine and the rapid onset of illness. My then nearly

two year old received his first vaccine and within a day

was hospitalized for the next two months. Had high fevers, respiratory

distress, fatty and mucousy stools, reflux, ear infection. All

within a day. One doctor try to say that he must have been sick already

with a virus and it was just a cooincidence. Another said

he probably had CF (which he didn't) and finally a doctor came along and

said, he must have had a reaction to the vaccine.

However, he did advise to conitinue with the rest of the schedule. We

did another round when he was much better and well

he crashed again.

jscott@... wrote:

> I concur with this. Mark had a slight cold when we vaccinated the MMR and

> the nurse said it was okay. I later found out that it was not. Of

> course, Mark slept for almost 10 hours following the shot!

>

> I will always wonder about this. If I were to do it again, I would

> vaccinate but never on time.... always late! Try to get your baby nice

> and healthy and always ensure that they are absolutely at the peak of

> health before vaccination.

>

> NO Tylenol as it suppresses the immune system!

>

> Janice

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