Re: HELP! had a MEGA meltdown

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Oh how I sympathise. We recently went through a similar thing. who is

normally very placid suddenly went through a stage of waking at three in the

morning and not going back to sleep. Then I would get a call from school to

pick him up at lunch time because he WAS asleep. He was SOoooo touchy. He

wanted to do everything himself - got angry if you did it - got angry if he

tried

to do it but couldn't. You just couldn't win. Worst of all however by far

was the aggression. He was slamming doors into the walls, throwing things

around the house, physically abusive which is just not him. To say we were

scared

was an understatement. My mother said she couldn't look after him anymore

and the school just kept ringing me to take him home. It is no exaggeration to

say that I thought our world was falling apart.

Now, as far as I can tell we either had a mega yeast problem or a bacteria

problem. I think it was due to some antibiotics we had given him many weeks

before. Even though I had upped his probiotics I think I stopped the extra ones

too soon. The remedy for us? Well I started on Candex (probiotic for

yeast) and Kirkmans Pro bio gold. The bad news is that it took quite a few

weeks before it all came right, although much time was wasted trying to find out

the problem.

The really good news though is that he has now started his new term in a much

better frame of mind, his temper is back to normal if not better than before

and he no longer gets up at three every morning

So is there any way may have developed a yeast or bacteria problem?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/10/03 2:20:18 AM, intocans@... writes:

<< I am not sure what to do, what is going on >>

When this has happened here it's always been because of food/yeast/bacteria.

What's he eating? You might consider the SCD diet, for the first time I feel

like we're finally getting to the root of the problem.

Nell

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry, I can't help but just wanted to say how I admire your

strength.Your son is very lucky to have you as his mother.

I hope you can sort things out soon.

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[Guest guest]

---My son used to do this when he was 2-3 years old. It stopped after

we started enzymes AND treating yeast. It was horrible. It was like he

was posessed! It usually was when he would wake up and have to go to

the bathroom and he would get very angry and tantrum and once he went

to the bathroom he would eventually calm down. tHe hard part was

that he was so angry and screaming he couldnt get himself to Go!

Patti

[Guest guest]

Hello,

this could be several thing that already have been mentioned in

other responces-- but it could be a reaction to food colorings too.

with my son this was cause by yeast, food colorings, and a very

under active Thyroid-( all 3) now that I am supplementing a over

the counter Thyroid supplement 3 times a day he hardly ever wakes up

at night anymore. You can check his thyroid function at home by

your son morning body temperature- a 97.6 or low will indcate a

problem- the Thyroid run the hormones like the one that lets you

fall asleep( melationin) it also tells the body how much and when to

use energy. A under active Thyroid will slow down the internal body

functions which may cause constipation. there is another group that

may help understand if the Thyriod thing pans out for your son it is

the group Willis( I have not been a member there long but this

site was recomended by a trusted friend and seems helpful- and I see

alot of others have found there way there too.) My 2 cents Ann

Oh PS -- you might want to look into the Pfiffer Treatment Centers

too - there MT promotion explains why our kids got into this

trouble in the first place- weather they are right or not still is

yet to be determined at my house- I started supplementing all the

items in the MT promotion- and my son can detox colors and

chemicals better than befor.

[Guest guest]

Hi , others have made great suggestions but I wondered if you had

considered sleepwalking/night terrors to explain 's unusual behavior last

night. Does he remember about last night? Kids have no memory of night

terrors, which are different than regular nightmares.

I mention the sleepwalking because I have a friend (adult) who has since

childhood sleepwalked and these episodes have often included things such as

behaving as though terrified or enraged, pushing furniture around and over,

kicking and hitting objects etc. which is similar to what you describe in

. His long-suffering wife says his eyes are open and he seems awake

though he says things that make it seem he is reacting to a dream rather than

what is going on in real life. He usually doesn't remember these episodes in

the a.m. but sometimes does if he wakes up during. He once pushed their bed

clear across the room and damaged the wall while dreaming he was holding back a

car from hitting a group of children.

Good luck tonight and in figuring out what is going on with .

Kathy IN

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:18:57 -0500

From: " Dave and Cichoracki " <intocans@...>

Subject: HELP! had a MEGA meltdown

Well, its 1:00 in the morning and I won't be able to sleep until I get this out

of my system and into the hands of my trusted peanut gallery. For the last week

to 10 days, has been getting up between midnight and 12:30. We would

watch a show - or two or three - and eventually he would fall asleep on the

couch. The usually had a lot of crying and tantrum-throwing. When he got sick

towards the end of last week, I figured that must have been the root of it!

Last night he did the same thing but fell asleep in my arms on the couch almost

immediately! Tonight, however, was a very different story. I heard him

starting to fuss at about 12:15 and I went into his room to calm him down. That

backfired BIG TIME. All I did was make him angry and he started almost growling

and me and throwing himself down on the group so hard I feared injury. But

tonight taking him into the front room did not help - in fact, it seemed to make

it worse! I tried a car ride but he would not let go of the door frame! He did

not want to be outside, he did not want to be in front of the TV no matter which

movie I put on. He trashed the living room - threw books around, turned over

furniture, knocked over stuff - VERY unlike him! He screeched his way down the

stairs into the basement, which thankfully is prepared for human habitation

right now. TV did not help, there, either. He threw himself down on the ground

both on the carpet and the cement floor! And again he started trashing the

basement, knocking frames off the walls and kicking the furniture, even

collapsing part of hubby's drum set on top of him!!!!! After that, I got down

on his level to ask what he wanted. He grabbed me by the head and pulled me

literally on top of him - I had to sorta kneel with my butt in the air or I

would have crushed him! But he wanted full-contact pressure and I gave it to

him. I was on top of him with one arm underneath his head with my hand on top

of his head, and the other hand firmly on his back, and all the while I kept

cha!

nting th

at everything is OK and we're fine. After a few minutes he fell asleep, but

jerked awake every time I tried to leave the basement or turn the lights off.

So we stayed on the floor with my butt in the air for nearly an hour until he

was totally zonked. Only then could I leave him enough to turn out the lights

and carry him and a flashlight back to bed. Then he stirred, but was OK.

What the heck just happened!!!!! I could understand getting used to a routine

of getting up in the middle of the night, but the trashing the house thing is

not cool - and he has not done anything that drastic in literally six months!

The full pressure thing, too, has me troubled. I honestly don't know when he

slipped into psycho mode as opposed to tantrum mode, but it was ugly. Could it

be as simple as being afraid of the dark? He stirred when I put him back in

bed, but I left the flashlight (one of those great big honking ones from the

storm kit in the basement) on and I left it right beside him. But then he

drifted back off to sleep clutching his bunny instead of me, and not nearly in

the death grip that he had on me for that hour.

I am glad it is all over, but I am quite freaked out - to the point that I had

an asthma attack and needed my inhaler!!!!! Whatever happened here just scared

the tar out of me and I want desperately to understand it. Does anything I

wrote make sense? Has anybody been through this? If so, what the heck can I do

to prevent it from being nuclear like this? He was fine today except for a

runny nose, but it was so slight he didn't even need medication! And we had a

great day at school today - no hint of attitude there, either! He fell asleep

tonight before 10:00, which is only a little bit early for him, and was

comfortable then when I put him in his bed. What am I missing here? I should

have realized when he started trying to injure himself by throwing his body onto

the floor, onto toys, etc, that he was overloaded instead of catching on when

he was trashing the house.

Well, I feel a little better now that this is out. I think I can get back in my

own bed and fall asleep again, though I feel another good cry coming on. If

anybody has any insight to share, I would be truly grateful. I am not sure what

to do, what is going on, how to make it better or how to prevent it!

Have a good morning, everybody, and thanks for letting me get this out of my

system!

[Guest guest]

Have you changed any supplements recently?

Are you giving a new type of food?

>

[Guest guest]

> Well, its 1:00 in the morning and I won't be able to sleep until I

get this out of my system and into the hands of my trusted peanut

gallery. For the last week to 10 days, has been getting up

between midnight and 12:30. We would watch a show - or two or three -

and eventually he would fall asleep on the couch.

This sounds like my son when he had a phenol issue or a yeast problem

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

He would also be similar with certain foods and supplements. Anything

new for your son lately? Could he have obtained something at school

that set him off?

>> The usually had a

lot of crying and tantrum-throwing. When he got sick towards the end

of last week, I figured that must have been the root of it! Last

night he did the same thing but fell asleep in my arms on the couch

almost immediately! Tonight, however, was a very different story. I

heard him starting to fuss at about 12:15 and I went into his room to

calm him down. That backfired BIG TIME.

Do you give him medication for being sick? Cold medications can

really set off my son.

Dana