Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 Dave - When you are " broken, " what does it feel like? I think I am probably heval metal toxic, myself (and my family would agree with the statement that I am somewhere on the spectrum)... I just started the diet, last week - I don't feel achy all over, sore stomached, and exhausted anymore. I infracted with wheat and milk on purpose - it already hurts my stomach. I tried a new cereal I was going to give my DDs, today, and apparently there is something there I am sensitive to because my head feels like it is going to explode, and I am CRANKY! Anyhow, I am wondering if L-Glutamine might be helpful for me, as well as the Buturate... Thanks for your input! -Liz P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 Liz, I feel slow, like there is a fog in the room, and I am unfocused. I want to look down. I don't hurt, but I am not really in the room. I don't know where I am, just not there. I can force myself to pay attention, but it only lasts a second. Without adrenal extract, caffeine, Adderall, a heavy fat snack sometimes, I am dead meat and will fall asleep. I can't drive like that. L-glutamine will fix me too - I carry it with me always, so I never drive in that state. (It's a miracle I could drive at all before I learned to not eat wheat.) So definitely try the L-glutamine, on an empty stomach or with a non-protein meal, and take a ton - there is no toxicity to it, so do at least 3 grams at a time. I do 10-30 grams/day sometimes, other days just 4-6. It's so cool to learn to watch your own mental states and correlate them to what you ate the night before. I will beat the fog one day... Thanks, Dave Dave Asprey dave@... www.asprey.net Message: 7 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:09:42 -0500 From: " E " <lizzy03@...> Subject: Re: Butyrex - Dave Dave - When you are " broken, " what does it feel like? I think I am probably heval metal toxic, myself (and my family would agree with the statement that I am somewhere on the spectrum)... I just started the diet, last week - I don't feel achy all over, sore stomached, and exhausted anymore. I infracted with wheat and milk on purpose - it already hurts my stomach. I tried a new cereal I was going to give my DDs, today, and apparently there is something there I am sensitive to because my head feels like it is going to explode, and I am CRANKY! Anyhow, I am wondering if L-Glutamine might be helpful for me, as well as the Buturate... Thanks for your input! -Liz P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 > I feel slow, like there is a fog in the room, and I am unfocused. I > want to look down. I don't hurt, but I am not really in the room. I > don't know where I am, just not there. I can force myself to pay > attention, but it only lasts a second. Without adrenal extract, > caffeine, Adderall, a heavy fat snack sometimes, I am dead meat and will > fall asleep. I can't drive like that. L-glutamine will fix me too You know, I'm not an expert, but the symptoms you described here are exactly the ones that suggest that you should not take glutamine. Yes, adrenal support will help you, coffee also (but if your adrenals are depleted, I don't know if it's indicated) but not glutamine. > So > definitely try the L-glutamine, on an empty stomach Glutamine is not good for people with yeast overgrowth and/or adrenal insufficiency. If your adrenals cause hypoglycemia, other things are better (like glycine for example). Or some other things that were recommended here in the past... Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 Dave - What you are describing is what I feel like in meetings and often when driving over an hour (I've had numerous accidents, in the past, from just fading out - now I know better and get the heck off of the road!). On those occasions, I can literally be driving with the radio blaring, windows down, snow coming in, naked, and screaming the songs as they play, and still pass out...Or in meetings, standing up, chewing gum, tapping a foot, and writing, and barely staying alert. I actually had a sleep study done in '88 to see if I was a narcolep! They said I could fall asleep within 3 seconds of closing my eyes (most people take over 30 minutes), but that I was not narcoleptic. I am allergic to caffeine, so I cannot drink coffee or other stimulants. What is adrenal extract? I guess I could need it - I am hypothyroid, and I know these things can be related. How did you figure out what was wrong tan how to fix it? Thanks! Liz P Re: Butyrex - Dave Dave - When you are " broken, " what does it feel like? I think I am probably heval metal toxic, myself (and my family would agree with the statement that I am somewhere on the spectrum)... I just started the diet, last week - I don't feel achy all over, sore stomached, and exhausted anymore. I infracted with wheat and milk on purpose - it already hurts my stomach. I tried a new cereal I was going to give my DDs, today, and apparently there is something there I am sensitive to because my head feels like it is going to explode, and I am CRANKY! Anyhow, I am wondering if L-Glutamine might be helpful for me, as well as the Buturate... Thanks for your input! -Liz P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 Valentina, Do you have any references to studies on that? I've read a ton of things on glutamine, and never come across a yeast connection, and it has not aggravated my yeast problem (which is mostly gone anyhow!). I've also never read anything linking glutamine to adrenal insufficiency. Most of the anti-yeast low carb guys recommend glutamine for low blood sugar, guys like Atkins. Anyone else? I would love to know if glutamine hurts weak adrenals; mine are shot. I do avoid coffee unless it's an emergency. I take glycine too - it is a natural sweetener that you can use with stevia. Glycine is a component of glutathione. Glutathione is basically glycine + cysteine. Thanks, Dave Dave Asprey dave@... www.asprey.net Message: 10 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:54:40 -0600 From: Valentina Scharpf <val@...> Subject: Re: > I feel slow, like there is a fog in the room, and I am unfocused. I > want to look down. I don't hurt, but I am not really in the room. I > don't know where I am, just not there. I can force myself to pay > attention, but it only lasts a second. Without adrenal extract, > caffeine, Adderall, a heavy fat snack sometimes, I am dead meat and > will fall asleep. I can't drive like that. L-glutamine will fix me > too You know, I'm not an expert, but the symptoms you described here are exactly the ones that suggest that you should not take glutamine. Yes, adrenal support will help you, coffee also (but if your adrenals are depleted, I don't know if it's indicated) but not glutamine. > So > definitely try the L-glutamine, on an empty stomach Glutamine is not good for people with yeast overgrowth and/or adrenal insufficiency. If your adrenals cause hypoglycemia, other things are better (like glycine for example). Or some other things that were recommended here in the past... Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 > I've had numerous accidents, in the past, from just fading out - now I know better and get the heck off of the road!). > On those occasions, I can literally be driving with the radio blaring, windows down, snow coming in, naked, and screaming the songs as they play, and still pass out...Or in meetings, standing up, chewing gum, tapping a foot, and writing, and barely staying alert. Were you ever checked for sleep apnea? Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 Sleep study found nothing abnormal... Were you ever checked for sleep apnea? Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 > Do you have any references to studies on that? I've read a ton of > things on glutamine, and never come across a yeast connection, The connection with yeast... Glutamine is broken down in the body to glutamate and ammonia. Most of the yeast types already produce lots of ammonia. Also, taking glutamine, you give them more good food -> increase ammonia levels. Ammonia is collected in the body by alpha-ketoglutarate. I am sure you can find lots of articles about yeasts and ammonia (if you still need them). The connection with adrenals... Sorry, but I don't have any articles and again sorry, but I tried to find some of the places where I read about this in the past, and I can't right now. I will try again when I'll have a little more time. I never found though the explanation for why exactly glutamine is bad for a person who's adrenal insufficient, but I read about this in the past in many places. My guess is that it's again related to AKG depletion, and the lack of cortisol (which cannot be produced normally under stress and this influences the glutamine levels somehow). I am sorry, but I don't know the exact reason. > Most of the anti-yeast low carb guys recommend glutamine > for low blood sugar, guys like Atkins. For low blood sugar, but not when the hypoglycemia is caused by low adrenals, and not when you have yeast problems. At least this is my understanding. I will try to find out exactly why. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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