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Oh yes, we are genetically prediposed. But then, thusly our height,

complexion (ok, my red hair is a throw back), how our teeth are

placed, body shape......... all of it is programmed in. Doesn't mean

we will be clones, but the ingredients are all there. I'm built like

all the women on my mom's side, but have the coloring of my dad's

side. UNfortunately, my dad's women were all 100# on a fat day and

lucky me, I got the apple body, never be normal size body of my mom's

side.

My d-i-l is also morbid, prolly super. As are her parents and 1

g-ma. Brother is up there, not sure if he's actually morbid. My son is

not QUITE morbid, but close. My ex died of his obesity, only 100#

over, at age 49. My grandson has virtually NO CHANCE of anything but

morbid. And since they graze him, have not taught him any difference

between a carrot and candy, he has the ingredients for super by

puberty.

My step dtr has 2 parents who have had surgery. She got to 90#

over, then lost some, but now is well into morbid. She eats small

portions, does not graze, but simply loves sugar. Otherwise, she

doesn't really have bad eating habits. She tends toward lean meats

and veggies and DOES NOT LIKE FRENCH FRIES (deviant) or other starches

overly much.

And of course, doing what I do, I often see 3 generations of

post-ops. What actually surprises me is to see an only child of one

of us be thin. I kinda wonder how the odds worked out. The studies

show that if one parent is MO, the child has a 65-70% chance, and with

2 MO parents, 85-90% (2 studies on twins separated at birth). And

then if you toss in the very worst of the eating habits and no

nutritional guidance, all the odds go up to 100%.

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Re:RE: Re: Therapist issues

> Also, Amber, I wonder how many of us have relatives and ancestors

who

> are/were morbidly obese? I know in my case, both my paternal &

maternal

> great-grandmothers would be classified as super obese were they

alive today. Does this

> mean we are predestined to obesity? I don't think it's THAT

unavoidable,

> but perhaps this genetic propensity signals that our bodies are

more efficent at

> storing calories as fat and excells at allowing us to grow fat

cells at an

> accellerated rate above the " average. " We all have stories about

eating at

> home with family members where everyone is eating the same meal

and about the

> same amount, but it will be US who will gain weight. There is

also the

> obsession we seem to have innately about food, where it feels

that's all we think

> about. I know in the past if I was at a big party with an

elaborate buffet, I

> would be so obsessed with that buffet table to the exclusion of

almost

> everything else. Life evolved around the consumption of food

versus having food fuel

> our lives. What is it about us that drives us to food, versus

alcohol, or

> drugs, or whatever. Food is my drug of choice, no doubt about

it. Something

> chemical in the brain related to this genetic propensity? I know

that I

> have been depressed (to varying degrees) most of my life and at

the same time

> have been struggling with weight and food issues. We all know

what it's like

> when we've lost weight in the past, only to suffer from a strong

compulsion to

> eat until we succumb. I often joke I once lost 145 lbs on Weight

Watchers in

> 8 months, and I kept it off for five minutes. It's not much of

an

> exaggeration. That brief period of time I was struggling to

maintain that weight loss

> was the hungriest time in my life! I was ravenous. Chemical,

genetic, I am

> POSITIVE! Emotionally I was in a decent place then, of course,

as I

> regained that quickly changed. The genetic, the chemical, the

emotional seem so

> inextricably and intricately linked in a sort of daisy chain where

it's

> impossible to tell the front from the end, it just revolves and

revolves propelled by

> it's own velocity.

>

> As to antidepressants: up until this past year I was 100%

against taking

> them, and I suffered greatly and unnecessarily as a result, but

finally I got

> over being stupid. They have made an amazing difference in my

life and I am

> so grateful to the chemists or whoever concocted these drugs. To

paraphrase

> Charlton Heston, if someone were to try to take my antidepressant

away from me,

> it would be from my cold dead hands! LMAO!

>

> As I am going into year 3, I notice I am struggling more, but I

have to admit

> it's not so much that I am more hungry (physically). Yes, I do

feel hunger

> at times, but not to the degree I felt it pre-wls. Now when I am

hungry I

> can satiate that physical hunger with a small amount of food. I

think the

> surgery does alot to decrease certain stomach hormones believed to

influence

> hunger. But there will be times, many many times, when I am not

physically hungry

> whatsoever yet I have a compulsion to eat. So, it's clear I have

the same

> head compulsions as I did presurgery --- rooted by a genetic

predisposition and

> resultant chemical reactions?????????? That's the part that

hasn't changed

> since surgery and I think that is what got most of us MO. As a

result, the

> struggle continues and we must be ever vigilant. It will ALWAYS

be easier for

> us to gain weight ... ALWAYS. We will ALWAYS have to work harder

to keep the

> weight off ... ALWAYS.

>

> The thing is to not let that reality defeat us, but just make us

ever on

> guard. That's the way the dice rolled for us!

>

> Maybe in our lifetime some genius will figure this stuff out. I

doubt it.

>

> Lucille (Happy New Year everyone!)

>

> In a message dated 12/31/2003 9:53:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

>

> > , I have been asking this question as an RN for 25 plus

years. The

> > psychiatrists haven't a clue nor do the majority of the

psychologists. I

> > have a theory though - I think the depression comes first, the

carbs

> > make us feel better so we eat more, then we gain weight and

depression

> > increases and to self-comfort we seek-out the feel good from the

carbs

> > and it becomes a vicious cycle. Another thing is I think many of

us have

> > a problem with our serotonin levels.

> > Maybe we do not make enough, make our body does not use it

properly, or

> > maybe we have more stressors in our life and " we run out " .

> > I asked a friend who is a therapist why 85%+ of the females that

I know

> > are on anti-depressants. She theorized that we are born with

x-amount

> > that can be maintained with exercise, sunshine, nutrition

whatever.

> > Major stressors can cause it to be depleted. Unlike our mothers

and

> > grandmothers, we work, raise a family, are active in our

religion, the

> > PTA, work for an advanced educational degree, all while being a

nuclear

> > family without family support. All of these things take a toll

on our

> > serotonin level. Now, having said all that - that, with about

$.90 might

> > buy you a cup of coffee LOL.

> > The question I have asked and heard the answer rather clearly is

how

> > many of us have abuse issues? Many of us have them and I think

many of

> > us eat to self-comfort.

> > Amber/FLRN

> > PS happy New Year Everyone!!

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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man when u put it like that

seems the odds are very stacked against us

janice

fat genes?

Oh yes, we are genetically prediposed. But then, thusly our height,

complexion (ok, my red hair is a throw back), how our teeth are

placed, body shape......... all of it is programmed in. Doesn't mean

we will be clones, but the ingredients are all there. I'm built like

all the women on my mom's side, but have the coloring of my dad's

side. UNfortunately, my dad's women were all 100# on a fat day and

lucky me, I got the apple body, never be normal size body of my mom's

side.

My d-i-l is also morbid, prolly super. As are her parents and 1

g-ma. Brother is up there, not sure if he's actually morbid. My son is

not QUITE morbid, but close. My ex died of his obesity, only 100#

over, at age 49. My grandson has virtually NO CHANCE of anything but

morbid. And since they graze him, have not taught him any difference

between a carrot and candy, he has the ingredients for super by

puberty.

My step dtr has 2 parents who have had surgery. She got to 90#

over, then lost some, but now is well into morbid. She eats small

portions, does not graze, but simply loves sugar. Otherwise, she

doesn't really have bad eating habits. She tends toward lean meats

and veggies and DOES NOT LIKE FRENCH FRIES (deviant) or other starches

overly much.

And of course, doing what I do, I often see 3 generations of

post-ops. What actually surprises me is to see an only child of one

of us be thin. I kinda wonder how the odds worked out. The studies

show that if one parent is MO, the child has a 65-70% chance, and with

2 MO parents, 85-90% (2 studies on twins separated at birth). And

then if you toss in the very worst of the eating habits and no

nutritional guidance, all the odds go up to 100%.

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

Re:RE: Re: Therapist issues

> Also, Amber, I wonder how many of us have relatives and ancestors

who

> are/were morbidly obese? I know in my case, both my paternal &

maternal

> great-grandmothers would be classified as super obese were they

alive today. Does this

> mean we are predestined to obesity? I don't think it's THAT

unavoidable,

> but perhaps this genetic propensity signals that our bodies are

more efficent at

> storing calories as fat and excells at allowing us to grow fat

cells at an

> accellerated rate above the " average. " We all have stories about

eating at

> home with family members where everyone is eating the same meal

and about the

> same amount, but it will be US who will gain weight. There is

also the

> obsession we seem to have innately about food, where it feels

that's all we think

> about. I know in the past if I was at a big party with an

elaborate buffet, I

> would be so obsessed with that buffet table to the exclusion of

almost

> everything else. Life evolved around the consumption of food

versus having food fuel

> our lives. What is it about us that drives us to food, versus

alcohol, or

> drugs, or whatever. Food is my drug of choice, no doubt about

it. Something

> chemical in the brain related to this genetic propensity? I know

that I

> have been depressed (to varying degrees) most of my life and at

the same time

> have been struggling with weight and food issues. We all know

what it's like

> when we've lost weight in the past, only to suffer from a strong

compulsion to

> eat until we succumb. I often joke I once lost 145 lbs on Weight

Watchers in

> 8 months, and I kept it off for five minutes. It's not much of

an

> exaggeration. That brief period of time I was struggling to

maintain that weight loss

> was the hungriest time in my life! I was ravenous. Chemical,

genetic, I am

> POSITIVE! Emotionally I was in a decent place then, of course,

as I

> regained that quickly changed. The genetic, the chemical, the

emotional seem so

> inextricably and intricately linked in a sort of daisy chain where

it's

> impossible to tell the front from the end, it just revolves and

revolves propelled by

> it's own velocity.

>

> As to antidepressants: up until this past year I was 100%

against taking

> them, and I suffered greatly and unnecessarily as a result, but

finally I got

> over being stupid. They have made an amazing difference in my

life and I am

> so grateful to the chemists or whoever concocted these drugs. To

paraphrase

> Charlton Heston, if someone were to try to take my antidepressant

away from me,

> it would be from my cold dead hands! LMAO!

>

> As I am going into year 3, I notice I am struggling more, but I

have to admit

> it's not so much that I am more hungry (physically). Yes, I do

feel hunger

> at times, but not to the degree I felt it pre-wls. Now when I am

hungry I

> can satiate that physical hunger with a small amount of food. I

think the

> surgery does alot to decrease certain stomach hormones believed to

influence

> hunger. But there will be times, many many times, when I am not

physically hungry

> whatsoever yet I have a compulsion to eat. So, it's clear I have

the same

> head compulsions as I did presurgery --- rooted by a genetic

predisposition and

> resultant chemical reactions?????????? That's the part that

hasn't changed

> since surgery and I think that is what got most of us MO. As a

result, the

> struggle continues and we must be ever vigilant. It will ALWAYS

be easier for

> us to gain weight ... ALWAYS. We will ALWAYS have to work harder

to keep the

> weight off ... ALWAYS.

>

> The thing is to not let that reality defeat us, but just make us

ever on

> guard. That's the way the dice rolled for us!

>

> Maybe in our lifetime some genius will figure this stuff out. I

doubt it.

>

> Lucille (Happy New Year everyone!)

>

> In a message dated 12/31/2003 9:53:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> Graduate-OSSG writes:

>

>

> > , I have been asking this question as an RN for 25 plus

years. The

> > psychiatrists haven't a clue nor do the majority of the

psychologists. I

> > have a theory though - I think the depression comes first, the

carbs

> > make us feel better so we eat more, then we gain weight and

depression

> > increases and to self-comfort we seek-out the feel good from the

carbs

> > and it becomes a vicious cycle. Another thing is I think many of

us have

> > a problem with our serotonin levels.

> > Maybe we do not make enough, make our body does not use it

properly, or

> > maybe we have more stressors in our life and " we run out " .

> > I asked a friend who is a therapist why 85%+ of the females that

I know

> > are on anti-depressants. She theorized that we are born with

x-amount

> > that can be maintained with exercise, sunshine, nutrition

whatever.

> > Major stressors can cause it to be depleted. Unlike our mothers

and

> > grandmothers, we work, raise a family, are active in our

religion, the

> > PTA, work for an advanced educational degree, all while being a

nuclear

> > family without family support. All of these things take a toll

on our

> > serotonin level. Now, having said all that - that, with about

$.90 might

> > buy you a cup of coffee LOL.

> > The question I have asked and heard the answer rather clearly is

how

> > many of us have abuse issues? Many of us have them and I think

many of

> > us eat to self-comfort.

> > Amber/FLRN

> > PS happy New Year Everyone!!

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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Just so we identify the physical component of the disease. and deal

with it. Take on the chemical reaction (or behavioral, if you prefer)

SEPARATELY and don't mingle the predisposition with character or lack

thereof.

I'm not saying we obliterate all character flaws. I, myself, am

completely insane, as can be seen. However, I do not have an ED other

than wanting to eat food.

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

Re:RE: Re: Therapist issues

>

>

> > Also, Amber, I wonder how many of us have relatives and

ancestors

> who

> > are/were morbidly obese? I know in my case, both my paternal

&

> maternal

> > great-grandmothers would be classified as super obese were

they

> alive today. Does this

> > mean we are predestined to obesity? I don't think it's THAT

> unavoidable,

> > but perhaps this genetic propensity signals that our bodies

are

> more efficent at

> > storing calories as fat and excells at allowing us to grow fat

> cells at an

> > accellerated rate above the " average. " We all have stories

about

> eating at

> > home with family members where everyone is eating the same

meal

> and about the

> > same amount, but it will be US who will gain weight. There

is

> also the

> > obsession we seem to have innately about food, where it feels

> that's all we think

> > about. I know in the past if I was at a big party with an

> elaborate buffet, I

> > would be so obsessed with that buffet table to the exclusion

of

> almost

> > everything else. Life evolved around the consumption of food

> versus having food fuel

> > our lives. What is it about us that drives us to food,

versus

> alcohol, or

> > drugs, or whatever. Food is my drug of choice, no doubt

about

> it. Something

> > chemical in the brain related to this genetic propensity? I

know

> that I

> > have been depressed (to varying degrees) most of my life and

at

> the same time

> > have been struggling with weight and food issues. We all

know

> what it's like

> > when we've lost weight in the past, only to suffer from a

strong

> compulsion to

> > eat until we succumb. I often joke I once lost 145 lbs on

Weight

> Watchers in

> > 8 months, and I kept it off for five minutes. It's not much

of

> an

> > exaggeration. That brief period of time I was struggling to

> maintain that weight loss

> > was the hungriest time in my life! I was ravenous.

Chemical,

> genetic, I am

> > POSITIVE! Emotionally I was in a decent place then, of

course,

> as I

> > regained that quickly changed. The genetic, the chemical,

the

> emotional seem so

> > inextricably and intricately linked in a sort of daisy chain

where

> it's

> > impossible to tell the front from the end, it just revolves

and

> revolves propelled by

> > it's own velocity.

> >

> > As to antidepressants: up until this past year I was 100%

> against taking

> > them, and I suffered greatly and unnecessarily as a result,

but

> finally I got

> > over being stupid. They have made an amazing difference in

my

> life and I am

> > so grateful to the chemists or whoever concocted these drugs.

To

> paraphrase

> > Charlton Heston, if someone were to try to take my

antidepressant

> away from me,

> > it would be from my cold dead hands! LMAO!

> >

> > As I am going into year 3, I notice I am struggling more, but

I

> have to admit

> > it's not so much that I am more hungry (physically). Yes, I

do

> feel hunger

> > at times, but not to the degree I felt it pre-wls. Now when

I am

> hungry I

> > can satiate that physical hunger with a small amount of food.

I

> think the

> > surgery does alot to decrease certain stomach hormones

believed to

> influence

> > hunger. But there will be times, many many times, when I am

not

> physically hungry

> > whatsoever yet I have a compulsion to eat. So, it's clear I

have

> the same

> > head compulsions as I did presurgery --- rooted by a genetic

> predisposition and

> > resultant chemical reactions?????????? That's the part that

> hasn't changed

> > since surgery and I think that is what got most of us MO. As

a

> result, the

> > struggle continues and we must be ever vigilant. It will

ALWAYS

> be easier for

> > us to gain weight ... ALWAYS. We will ALWAYS have to work

harder

> to keep the

> > weight off ... ALWAYS.

> >

> > The thing is to not let that reality defeat us, but just make

us

> ever on

> > guard. That's the way the dice rolled for us!

> >

> > Maybe in our lifetime some genius will figure this stuff out.

I

> doubt it.

> >

> > Lucille (Happy New Year everyone!)

> >

> > In a message dated 12/31/2003 9:53:06 PM Eastern Standard

Time,

> > Graduate-OSSG writes:

> >

> >

> > > , I have been asking this question as an RN for 25

plus

> years. The

> > > psychiatrists haven't a clue nor do the majority of the

> psychologists. I

> > > have a theory though - I think the depression comes first,

the

> carbs

> > > make us feel better so we eat more, then we gain weight and

> depression

> > > increases and to self-comfort we seek-out the feel good from

the

> carbs

> > > and it becomes a vicious cycle. Another thing is I think

many of

> us have

> > > a problem with our serotonin levels.

> > > Maybe we do not make enough, make our body does not use it

> properly, or

> > > maybe we have more stressors in our life and " we run out " .

> > > I asked a friend who is a therapist why 85%+ of the females

that

> I know

> > > are on anti-depressants. She theorized that we are born with

> x-amount

> > > that can be maintained with exercise, sunshine, nutrition

> whatever.

> > > Major stressors can cause it to be depleted. Unlike our

mothers

> and

> > > grandmothers, we work, raise a family, are active in our

> religion, the

> > > PTA, work for an advanced educational degree, all while

being a

> nuclear

> > > family without family support. All of these things take a

toll

> on our

> > > serotonin level. Now, having said all that - that, with

about

> $.90 might

> > > buy you a cup of coffee LOL.

> > > The question I have asked and heard the answer rather

clearly is

> how

> > > many of us have abuse issues? Many of us have them and I

think

> many of

> > > us eat to self-comfort.

> > > Amber/FLRN

> > > PS happy New Year Everyone!!

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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