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Hi Leila -

I looked at the pictures at it looks like your daughter has more of a case

of brachy than plagio. Did the PT at CT mention to you the Cephalic Ratio?

The Cephalic Ratio = Cranial Breadth/Cranial Length; the ideal ratio is 78%

and the normal range is 73-83%. At 7 mm of asymmetry I would say that she

has a mild case of plagio.

Molly

Novato, California

Nicolas, 2.5, tort & plagio, STARband (CIRS Oakland) 4/24/06-9/12/06,

Graduate!

, 5

, 8.5

Please, take a look

Hello to all,

Could some of you please take a look at the before pics of my

daughter Maysa in the M folder on page 90. We took her to CT this

past Wednesday and I don't know what to make of it. We did not get a

sheet of her measurements but when I asked, the PT told me she was at

a 7mm and then told me that she had moderate brachy-plagiocephaly.

What do you think?

Her head is changing every day it seems and I think that I am going

crazy. She has been handling tummy time a lot more just within this

past week but she still sleeps a lot, on her back...

I felt that the therapist at CT was trying to sell us the band and

didn't even have us talk to their insurance specialist. As much as I

was anxious to pay them a visit, I am quite disappointed.

Also, after examining her the therapist was saying that the fact that

she has a right tort makes it hard for her to turn right, which is so

not the case. What she can't do is tilt her head left. When I said

that, she looked at her again and said oh yes, she (my daughter) was

just trying to trick her.

Needless to say that I wasn't too impressed...

Leila, mother of Maysa (5 months, right tort, brachy-plagio)

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I see the brachy and the plagio, but neither is severe. Given the

combo I would probably band, also because her head looks very flat in

the back. However at 5 mo you still have time. If you're reluctant to

band you could try repositioning her for another month or two before

deciding. You have good pics of her head now, so you can compare and

see where you are in comparison. However if you decide to wait you

should make a big effort to keep her off her back and the flatter

side. Repo is a lot of work, but you're far more likely to see

results if you're aggressive about it than if you just wait to see how

she does on her own.

We banded my daughter at 5 mo, but her brachy was obviously severe, so

we didn't really consider not banding.

-christine

sydney 2.5 yrs starband grad

>

> Hi Leila -

>

> I looked at the pictures at it looks like your daughter has more of

a case

> of brachy than plagio. Did the PT at CT mention to you the Cephalic

Ratio?

> The Cephalic Ratio = Cranial Breadth/Cranial Length; the ideal ratio

is 78%

> and the normal range is 73-83%. At 7 mm of asymmetry I would say

that she

> has a mild case of plagio.

>

> Molly

> Novato, California

> Nicolas, 2.5, tort & plagio, STARband (CIRS Oakland) 4/24/06-9/12/06,

> Graduate!

> , 5

> , 8.5

>

> Please, take a look

>

> Hello to all,

>

> Could some of you please take a look at the before pics of my

> daughter Maysa in the M folder on page 90. We took her to CT this

> past Wednesday and I don't know what to make of it. We did not get a

> sheet of her measurements but when I asked, the PT told me she was at

> a 7mm and then told me that she had moderate brachy-plagiocephaly.

> What do you think?

>

> Her head is changing every day it seems and I think that I am going

> crazy. She has been handling tummy time a lot more just within this

> past week but she still sleeps a lot, on her back...

>

> I felt that the therapist at CT was trying to sell us the band and

> didn't even have us talk to their insurance specialist. As much as I

> was anxious to pay them a visit, I am quite disappointed.

>

> Also, after examining her the therapist was saying that the fact that

> she has a right tort makes it hard for her to turn right, which is so

> not the case. What she can't do is tilt her head left. When I said

> that, she looked at her again and said oh yes, she (my daughter) was

> just trying to trick her.

>

> Needless to say that I wasn't too impressed...

>

> Leila, mother of Maysa (5 months, right tort, brachy-plagio)

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> For more plagio info

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Hi there,I agree with Molly that it looks like she has more brachy than plagio. I didn't get a sheet of my daughter's measurements either. And CT likes to say that they don't really like to pay that much attention to the measurements. It can be so different from person to person measuring. They put a lot more emphasis on the pictures. From the pictures, I think your daughter would do well with a band. Maybe you could ask for another consultation with a different orthotist. I definitely have a favorite orthotist. In fact, I delayed banding my daughter because I didn't feel as confident in the ability/knowledge of one of the orthotists. We did

consultations/pictures at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months before

we got the band. We got an insurance pre-certification before we had

the imaging. I think it costs $100 to do another consultation after the free one. They might even waive it if you explain your feelings. Or you could try going to an Starband office? Good luck!Wendee Please, take a lookHello to all,

Could some of you please take a look at the before pics of my

daughter Maysa in the M folder on page 90. We took her to CT this

past Wednesday and I don't know what to make of it. We did not get a

sheet of her measurements but when I asked, the PT told me she was at

a 7mm and then told me that she had moderate brachy-plagiocephal y.

What do you think?

Her head is changing every day it seems and I think that I am going

crazy. She has been handling tummy time a lot more just within this

past week but she still sleeps a lot, on her back...

I felt that the therapist at CT was trying to sell us the band and

didn't even have us talk to their insurance specialist. As much as I

was anxious to pay them a visit, I am quite disappointed.

Also, after examining her the therapist was saying that the fact that

she has a right tort makes it hard for her to turn right, which is so

not the case. What she can't do is tilt her head left. When I said

that, she looked at her again and said oh yes, she (my daughter) was

just trying to trick her.

Needless to say that I wasn't too impressed...

Leila, mother of Maysa (5 months, right tort, brachy-plagio)

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As far as the tort, it was explained to me this way: if she tilts to the left then she'll always want to turn to the right and vice versa for the other side - if she always wants to turn to the left then she probably tilts to the right. I can see her brachy in the pictures but I don't really see the plagio. Maybe the assymetry was caused by the tort and not plagio.?..

My son is in a STARband and we've never been to CT so I can't really comment on your thoughts with them, but I do know it is very rare to hear anyone dislike them. Just make sure that YOU are comfortable with where you take her because it is very important to have a good relationship with the ortho/technician as well as getting a good one. Austin-6 mos(tort/plagio)Blake-4

Please, take a look

Hello to all,Could some of you please take a look at the before pics of my daughter Maysa in the M folder on page 90. We took her to CT this past Wednesday and I don't know what to make of it. We did not get a sheet of her measurements but when I asked, the PT told me she was at a 7mm and then told me that she had moderate brachy-plagiocephal y. What do you think?Her head is changing every day it seems and I think that I am going crazy. She has been handling tummy time a lot more just within this past week but she still sleeps a lot, on her back...I felt that the therapist at CT was trying to sell us the band and didn't even have us talk to their insurance specialist. As much as I was anxious to pay them a visit, I am quite disappointed.Also, after examining her the therapist was saying that the fact that she has a right tort makes it hard for her to turn right, which is so

not the case. What she can't do is tilt her head left. When I said that, she looked at her again and said oh yes, she (my daughter) was just trying to trick her. Needless to say that I wasn't too impressed...Leila, mother of Maysa (5 months, right tort, brachy-plagio)

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Alright,

I got an answer back regarding her cephalic ratio. It is: 92.6% according to the measurements she took. The paper also says that there is a standard deviation of +4.1.

Her mid-face and skull-face asymetry are 3mm each while her cranial vault asymetry is 7mm.

Also, her cranial width is listed as 126mm and her cranial length at 136mm.

There you have it.

Leila

From: Foley, Molly <mafoley@...>Subject: RE: Please, take a lookPlagiocephaly Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 11:17 AM

Hi Leila -I looked at the pictures at it looks like your daughter has more of a caseof brachy than plagio. Did the PT at CT mention to you the Cephalic Ratio?The Cephalic Ratio = Cranial Breadth/Cranial Length; the ideal ratio is 78%and the normal range is 73-83%. At 7 mm of asymmetry I would say that shehas a mild case of plagio.MollyNovato, CaliforniaNicolas, 2.5, tort & plagio, STARband (CIRS Oakland) 4/24/06-9/12/ 06,Graduate!, 5, 8.5 Please, take a lookHello to all,Could some of you please take a look at the before pics of my daughter Maysa in the M folder on page 90. We took her to CT this past Wednesday and I don't know what to make of it. We did not get a sheet of her measurements but when I asked, the PT told me she was at a 7mm and then told me that she had moderate brachy-plagiocephal y. What do you think?Her head is changing every day it seems and I think that I am going crazy. She has been handling tummy time a lot more just within this past week but she still sleeps a lot, on her back...I felt that the therapist at CT was trying to sell us the band and didn't even have us talk to their insurance specialist. As much as I was anxious to pay them a visit, I am quite disappointed.Also, after examining her the therapist was saying that the fact that she has a right tort

makes it hard for her to turn right, which is so not the case. What she can't do is tilt her head left. When I said that, she looked at her again and said oh yes, she (my daughter) was just trying to trick her. Needless to say that I wasn't too impressed...Leila, mother of Maysa (5 months, right tort, brachy-plagio)------------ --------- --------- ------For more plagio info, go to www.plagiocephaly. org/support

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I would band with this CI. Our specialist (cranio facial plastic

surgeon) recommends banding at 90% or above. My daughter started at

about 96 or 97 % (I forget) with only 4.5 mm of asymmetry. She got

down to about 85% and 3.5 mm. Even now her head isn't perfect. I'm

really glad we got as much correction as we did. Normal is about 78%.

You can see her before and after as well as a scan (outline) showing

both in the Photos area of this group under Our Plagio Babies S/Sydney

M if your are interested.

-christine

sydney 2.5 yrs starband grad

>

> From: Foley, Molly <mafoley@...>

> Subject: RE: Please, take a look

> Plagiocephaly

> Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 11:17 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Leila -

>

> I looked at the pictures at it looks like your daughter has more of

a case

> of brachy than plagio. Did the PT at CT mention to you the Cephalic

Ratio?

> The Cephalic Ratio = Cranial Breadth/Cranial Length; the ideal ratio

is 78%

> and the normal range is 73-83%. At 7 mm of asymmetry I would say

that she

> has a mild case of plagio.

>

> Molly

> Novato, California

> Nicolas, 2.5, tort & plagio, STARband (CIRS Oakland) 4/24/06-9/12/ 06,

> Graduate!

> , 5

> , 8.5

>

> Please, take a look

>

> Hello to all,

>

> Could some of you please take a look at the before pics of my

> daughter Maysa in the M folder on page 90. We took her to CT this

> past Wednesday and I don't know what to make of it. We did not get a

> sheet of her measurements but when I asked, the PT told me she was at

> a 7mm and then told me that she had moderate brachy-plagiocephal y.

> What do you think?

>

> Her head is changing every day it seems and I think that I am going

> crazy. She has been handling tummy time a lot more just within this

> past week but she still sleeps a lot, on her back...

>

> I felt that the therapist at CT was trying to sell us the band and

> didn't even have us talk to their insurance specialist. As much as I

> was anxious to pay them a visit, I am quite disappointed.

>

> Also, after examining her the therapist was saying that the fact that

> she has a right tort makes it hard for her to turn right, which is so

> not the case. What she can't do is tilt her head left. When I said

> that, she looked at her again and said oh yes, she (my daughter) was

> just trying to trick her.

>

> Needless to say that I wasn't too impressed...

>

> Leila, mother of Maysa (5 months, right tort, brachy-plagio)

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

> For more plagio info, go to www.plagiocephaly. org/support

>

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I think banding is a very good idea with a 92.6% ratio. That's well

over the " norm " . They get that number by taking the 126mm (cranial

width) divided by 136mm (cranial length). So at this point, I think

you can feel comfortable that banding will be beneficial (if you

decide to go that route), you would just have to decide who to go to.

I would be sure when you go to ECA to ask about their experience

treating both plagio and brachy combined with that type of band

(hard plastic shell with no/little foam for adjustments). That

should be an important deciding factor. I have never heard of ECA

before and would personally need to know exactly how their helmet

works before I felt comfortable going with them (all those bolts and

hinges on their helmet make me a nervous). I know you said they are

FDA approved, but do you know when? I would also ask them how long

they have been making this helmet. Their website says they've

treated over 300 plagio cases and I would just be interested to know

how many years that number spans to get a better idea of how much

experience they have (i.e. 10 years at 30 babies a year, vs. 5 years

at 60 babies a year). Just some ideas of what I would ask if I was

in your situation, since they are the lesser known of your two

choices.

Good Luck!

Jake-21m (tort resolved/rt plagio/DOCBand #2 2weeks)

Jordan-4

>

> From: Foley, Molly <mafoley@...>

> Subject: RE: Please, take a look

> Plagiocephaly

> Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 11:17 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi Leila -

>

> I looked at the pictures at it looks like your daughter has more

of a case

> of brachy than plagio. Did the PT at CT mention to you the

Cephalic Ratio?

> The Cephalic Ratio = Cranial Breadth/Cranial Length; the ideal

ratio is 78%

> and the normal range is 73-83%. At 7 mm of asymmetry I would say

that she

> has a mild case of plagio.

>

> Molly

> Novato, California

> Nicolas, 2.5, tort & plagio, STARband (CIRS Oakland) 4/24/06-9/12/

06,

> Graduate!

> , 5

> , 8.5

>

> Please, take a look

>

> Hello to all,

>

> Could some of you please take a look at the before pics of my

> daughter Maysa in the M folder on page 90. We took her to CT this

> past Wednesday and I don't know what to make of it. We did not get

a

> sheet of her measurements but when I asked, the PT told me she was

at

> a 7mm and then told me that she had moderate brachy-plagiocephal

y.

> What do you think?

>

> Her head is changing every day it seems and I think that I am

going

> crazy. She has been handling tummy time a lot more just within

this

> past week but she still sleeps a lot, on her back...

>

> I felt that the therapist at CT was trying to sell us the band and

> didn't even have us talk to their insurance specialist. As much as

I

> was anxious to pay them a visit, I am quite disappointed.

>

> Also, after examining her the therapist was saying that the fact

that

> she has a right tort makes it hard for her to turn right, which is

so

> not the case. What she can't do is tilt her head left. When I said

> that, she looked at her again and said oh yes, she (my daughter)

was

> just trying to trick her.

>

> Needless to say that I wasn't too impressed...

>

> Leila, mother of Maysa (5 months, right tort, brachy-plagio)

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

> For more plagio info, go to www.plagiocephaly. org/support

>

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Sorry, one more thing I saw on ECA's website...if they tell you that

the DOCBand doesn't work as well as theirs because the foam doesn't

exert as much pressure and will compress and take the shape of the

baby's head, that's simply not true. The liner that is used in the

DOCBand is actually very hard. You can't press it in with your

finger, it's very dense and strong. My son wore his first DOCBand

for 16 weeks and the holding points stayed firm and the liner never

compressed that entire time.

Jake-21m (tort resolved/rt plagio/DOCBand #2 2 weeks)

Jordan-4

> >

> > From: Foley, Molly <mafoley@>

> > Subject: RE: Please, take a look

> > Plagiocephaly

> > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 11:17 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Leila -

> >

> > I looked at the pictures at it looks like your daughter has more

> of a case

> > of brachy than plagio. Did the PT at CT mention to you the

> Cephalic Ratio?

> > The Cephalic Ratio = Cranial Breadth/Cranial Length; the ideal

> ratio is 78%

> > and the normal range is 73-83%. At 7 mm of asymmetry I would say

> that she

> > has a mild case of plagio.

> >

> > Molly

> > Novato, California

> > Nicolas, 2.5, tort & plagio, STARband (CIRS Oakland) 4/24/06-

9/12/

> 06,

> > Graduate!

> > , 5

> > , 8.5

> >

> > Please, take a look

> >

> > Hello to all,

> >

> > Could some of you please take a look at the before pics of my

> > daughter Maysa in the M folder on page 90. We took her to CT

this

> > past Wednesday and I don't know what to make of it. We did not

get

> a

> > sheet of her measurements but when I asked, the PT told me she

was

> at

> > a 7mm and then told me that she had moderate brachy-plagiocephal

> y.

> > What do you think?

> >

> > Her head is changing every day it seems and I think that I am

> going

> > crazy. She has been handling tummy time a lot more just within

> this

> > past week but she still sleeps a lot, on her back...

> >

> > I felt that the therapist at CT was trying to sell us the band

and

> > didn't even have us talk to their insurance specialist. As much

as

> I

> > was anxious to pay them a visit, I am quite disappointed.

> >

> > Also, after examining her the therapist was saying that the fact

> that

> > she has a right tort makes it hard for her to turn right, which

is

> so

> > not the case. What she can't do is tilt her head left. When I

said

> > that, she looked at her again and said oh yes, she (my daughter)

> was

> > just trying to trick her.

> >

> > Needless to say that I wasn't too impressed...

> >

> > Leila, mother of Maysa (5 months, right tort, brachy-plagio)

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> > For more plagio info, go to www.plagiocephaly. org/support

> >

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I have to recant part of my statement. I was just cleaning my son's

DOCBand and you can press the foam in with your finger, but not by

very much (if I wanted to really squeeze the heck out of it, I could

probably push it all the way down to the plastic, but it would take

some exersion). The ECA website compares bands with foam liners to

jumping on a mattress and how the foam compresses to support your

body and therefore doesn't allow for maximum correction. The foam of

the DOCBand is definitely not as soft as a mattress (at least not

one I'd want to sleep on!) and the head does not jump in the band,

so...just wanted to clarify! Sorry I mispoke, if my son hadn't been

napping at the time of my earlier post, I would have checked it

right then!

Jake-21m (tort resolved/rt plagio/DOCBand #2 2 weeks)

Jordan-4

> > >

> > > From: Foley, Molly <mafoley@>

> > > Subject: RE: Please, take a look

> > > Plagiocephaly

> > > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 11:17 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Leila -

> > >

> > > I looked at the pictures at it looks like your daughter has

more

> > of a case

> > > of brachy than plagio. Did the PT at CT mention to you the

> > Cephalic Ratio?

> > > The Cephalic Ratio = Cranial Breadth/Cranial Length; the ideal

> > ratio is 78%

> > > and the normal range is 73-83%. At 7 mm of asymmetry I would

say

> > that she

> > > has a mild case of plagio.

> > >

> > > Molly

> > > Novato, California

> > > Nicolas, 2.5, tort & plagio, STARband (CIRS Oakland) 4/24/06-

> 9/12/

> > 06,

> > > Graduate!

> > > , 5

> > > , 8.5

> > >

> > > Please, take a look

> > >

> > > Hello to all,

> > >

> > > Could some of you please take a look at the before pics of my

> > > daughter Maysa in the M folder on page 90. We took her to CT

> this

> > > past Wednesday and I don't know what to make of it. We did not

> get

> > a

> > > sheet of her measurements but when I asked, the PT told me she

> was

> > at

> > > a 7mm and then told me that she had moderate brachy-

plagiocephal

> > y.

> > > What do you think?

> > >

> > > Her head is changing every day it seems and I think that I am

> > going

> > > crazy. She has been handling tummy time a lot more just within

> > this

> > > past week but she still sleeps a lot, on her back...

> > >

> > > I felt that the therapist at CT was trying to sell us the band

> and

> > > didn't even have us talk to their insurance specialist. As

much

> as

> > I

> > > was anxious to pay them a visit, I am quite disappointed.

> > >

> > > Also, after examining her the therapist was saying that the

fact

> > that

> > > she has a right tort makes it hard for her to turn right,

which

> is

> > so

> > > not the case. What she can't do is tilt her head left. When I

> said

> > > that, she looked at her again and said oh yes, she (my

daughter)

> > was

> > > just trying to trick her.

> > >

> > > Needless to say that I wasn't too impressed...

> > >

> > > Leila, mother of Maysa (5 months, right tort, brachy-plagio)

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > > For more plagio info, go to www.plagiocephaly. org/support

> > >

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